2011-06-29 05:04 <kyak> wpwrak: for Ben's kernel, yeah, i copied the ben-wpan-config-2.6.38
2011-06-29 05:05 <kyak> wpwrak: 512 Mb rootfs - i'm not sure if it is "new", it has been 512 Mb for a while now.. at least for the latest several releases
2011-06-29 05:06 <kyak> wpwrak: do your explanations about conflicting ieee* kernel modules and testing utils apply to atusb as well?
2011-06-29 05:08 <kyak> if so, then i perhaps needed to reboot, because i updated the firmware of atusb and then started atrf-xtal 1000 (all successfully) before i tried to do "iz add .. wpan0" and saw "no such device"
2011-06-29 05:08 <kyak> anyway, will be able to check only in the evening..
2011-06-29 05:27 <wolfspraul> kyak: you got your boards and they work?
2011-06-29 05:28 <kyak> wolfspraul: i got my boards yesterday evening, haven't yet really tried it, just prepared necessary tools
2011-06-29 05:28 <kyak> the software tools it is
2011-06-29 05:29 <wolfspraul> ok
2011-06-29 10:23 <wpwrak> kyak: (kernel vs. user space) yes, this will apply too
2011-06-29 10:25 <wpwrak> kyak: but you're ahead of me there :) having any kernel support for atusb is still brand new. and afaik, it doesn't work yet. stefan is working at it. i'm at a conference this week, so i won't be able to do much (besides daily heavy drinking, of course :)
2011-06-29 10:38 <kyak> wpwrak: yeah, i noticed that you were mainly experimenting atben<->atben
2011-06-29 10:39 <kyak> also, if atusb is not yet working, i probably can't do anything but just wait :)
2011-06-29 10:41 <wpwrak> kyak: have you tried atrf-rssi with atben yet ? and atrf-txrx -P with a pair of boards (atben/atben, atben/atusb, or atusb
2011-06-29 10:42 <wpwrak>  /atusb)
2011-06-29 10:44 <kyak> wpwrak: no, i haven't. Yesterday i ended up with "izcoordinator... " on Ben (i.e. interface wpan0 was brought up)
2011-06-29 10:45 <kyak> but could'nt do the same on PC. Perhaps due to the kernel vs. user space issue
2011-06-29 10:46 <kyak> wpwrak: for my understanding, do lowpan tools count as "userland" or "kernel"?
2011-06-29 10:47 <kyak> the only two things i actually tried on PC were updating of atusb firmware with dfu and runnign atrf-xtal 1000
2011-06-29 10:57 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: fisl2011/: don't declare a sole objective for M1; fixed dependencies (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/0a58e05
2011-06-29 10:57 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: fisl2011/: _really_ fix dependencies (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/450a20a
2011-06-29 13:21 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06282011-1433/
2011-06-29 13:33 <qi-bot> [commit] root: fisl2011/: corrected flow.fig; straightened narrative (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/efacc76
2011-06-29 13:33 <qi-bot> [commit] root: Merge branch 'master' of git@projects.qi-hardware.com:wernermisc (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ca5905a
2011-06-29 15:40 <wpwrak> rejon: brrr. the temperature is nasty.
2011-06-29 15:41 <rejon> wpwrak, yeah, i haven't left hotel yet
2011-06-29 15:42 <wpwrak> rejon: heh, beat you :) i got to the conference already around noon
2011-06-29 15:55 <kristianpaul> btw is rms in FISL this year?
2011-06-29 15:59 <wpwrak> i don't think so
2011-06-29 16:00 <kristianpaul> you slide #5 looks interesting for him
2011-06-29 16:01 <kristianpaul> nice presentation
2011-06-29 16:01 <kristianpaul> is short, so i guess you speak a lot ;)
2011-06-29 16:02 <kristianpaul> hopefully willbe streaming or recording for the talks?
2011-06-29 16:03 <wpwrak> short ?? it's something like 20-30% too long :)
2011-06-29 16:03 <wpwrak> so i'll have to hurry a bit
2011-06-29 16:03 <kristianpaul> well for me :)
2011-06-29 16:04 <kristianpaul> you have 1 hr or so?
2011-06-29 16:04 <kristianpaul> i forgot to ask that first:)
2011-06-29 16:05 <wpwrak> 1 h minus time for questions and people changing rooms. so about 45 min
2011-06-29 16:06 <kristianpaul> best whishes then :)
2011-06-29 16:09 <wpwrak> i have the open-ended slides towards the end. i could talk for hours about sourcing. i have a rich set of horror stories from openmoko :)
2011-06-29 16:14 <kristianpaul> openmoko's un-official history teller 
2011-06-29 16:15 <wpwrak> one of them :)
2011-06-29 16:18 <kristianpaul> suposelly osgpsby defalt dont read samples compressed as a pack of 4 samples inside a byte
2011-06-29 16:18 <kristianpaul> (very sample is 2 bits)
2011-06-29 16:18 <kristianpaul> every*
2011-06-29 16:19 <kristianpaul> from my sampled data as it is, i ran osgps and i got some tresholds to be triggered
2011-06-29 16:19 <kristianpaul> afaik not C/A
2011-06-29 16:19 <kristianpaul> but i had 30s from sampled date, but i dint finshed debug of acquistion at all so i need to check
2011-06-29 16:19 <kristianpaul> may be simulate sige in hw..
2011-06-29 16:20 <kristianpaul> but if iuse the compressed parameter i dont get nothing..
2011-06-29 16:20 <kristianpaul> also diging the code i disover if i did active the pack4 parameter for reading compressed data
2011-06-29 16:21 <kristianpaul> it take, yes athe 4 samples
2011-06-29 16:21 <kristianpaul> to a LUT
2011-06-29 16:21 <kristianpaul> but the lut is this    const char val[4]={1,3,-1,-3};
2011-06-29 16:22 <kristianpaul> i have some utilities to uncompress this data aswell, that i was using with octave
2011-06-29 16:22 <kristianpaul> but that LUT never used 3
2011-06-29 16:22 <kristianpaul> but used 0
2011-06-29 16:22 <kristianpaul> man, i'm confused know with this ADC
2011-06-29 16:23 <kristianpaul> or i'm ignoring something about dowconvertion inside sige chip
2011-06-29 16:23 <kristianpaul> but those values above make sense
2011-06-29 16:23 <kristianpaul> 2 bits ADC, etc..
2011-06-29 16:24 <kristianpaul> but why is not zero?
2011-06-29 16:24 <kristianpaul> is not needed at all?
2011-06-29 16:24 <kristianpaul> hum..
2011-06-29 16:24 <kristianpaul> datasheet make me guess on that, or require to improve my radio eng skills ;)
2011-06-29 16:49 <qi-bot> [commit] root: fisl2011/: changed date; cleaned up flow,fig; improved readability of achieve.fig (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/22ff99b
2011-06-29 16:54 <wpwrak> rejon: would you happen to have usbboot installed on your laptop ? my ben has a broken kernel and usbboot had a hellish dependency chain
2011-06-29 16:55 <wpwrak> blergh. now it's raining, too. well, maybe it'll get a bit warmer ...
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> wpwrak, hahhaa
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> my ben is broken too!
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> i just installd
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> usbboot
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> we can fix our bens
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> ok, i'm heading over to the conference now
2011-06-29 17:12 <rejon> done with my conference calls for the day
2011-06-29 17:16 <wpwrak> heh. i thought you'd skiip today entirely :)
2011-06-29 17:17 <wpwrak> i'm at a table/stand roughly in the middle of the exposition area
2011-06-29 17:17 <wpwrak> has KDE-Brasil written on it on one side
2011-06-29 17:18 <wpwrak> i'm facing roughly the big "telecentro livre"
2011-06-29 17:19 <wpwrak> rejon: btw, dress warmly. the hall isn't heated
2011-06-29 17:21 <wolfspraul> rejon: Sebastien is MIA, I need confirmation from him for the font change
2011-06-29 17:21 <rejon> sounds good woakas 
2011-06-29 17:21 <rejon> wolfspraul, 
2011-06-29 17:21 <rejon> just trying to keep on top of outstanding stuff
2011-06-29 17:21 <rejon> hopefully he will like it
2011-06-29 17:21 <wolfspraul> I like the designs and font style, stupid little 'must not be sold clause', but it doesn't really apply to us...
2011-06-29 17:22 <wolfspraul> I wonder what's in peoples minds sometimes :-)
2011-06-29 17:22 <wolfspraul> rejon: is your m1 functional?
2011-06-29 17:22 <wolfspraul> I demoed to some people today, they loved it. I think I sold 2 (once I have them)
2011-06-29 17:23 <wolfspraul> now it's pretty nice booting into simple mode, and iterate through patches with button press
2011-06-29 17:23 <wolfspraul> connect your camera before you boot, just in case
2011-06-29 17:23 <wolfspraul> your board has a small hardware bug which we can fix ... ahh.. maybe Werner can fix it for you? :-)
2011-06-29 17:24 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: if you have a chance, you can remove and short L19 on rejon's m1 :-)
2011-06-29 17:24 <rejon> wpwrak, actually you are right, i will not come to the conf. today
2011-06-29 17:24 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: there are some folks here who may actually have a soldering iron :)
2011-06-29 17:24 <rejon> i will stay here and work, and come out for dinner and drinks
2011-06-29 17:25 <wpwrak> rejon: wimp ! :)
2011-06-29 17:25 <rejon> wpwrak, the second i enter around people, all my productivity will vanish
2011-06-29 17:25 <rejon> wolfspraul, can vouch for that
2011-06-29 17:26 <wolfspraul> rejon: ok, then remember this L19 thing. if werner can fix that for you, that'd be great.
2011-06-29 17:27 <wolfspraul> it's a nasty little bug especially in quick demo situations. and if werner has access to your m1 and an iron, it's fixed in 1 minute.
2011-06-29 17:27 <wolfspraul> just needs the top acrylic to be off, that's all
2011-06-29 17:27 <rejon> wolfspraul, ok, remembering...my unit is functional and on the build from mid-may that has working boot-to-render
2011-06-29 17:27 <rejon> ok i have my case and m1 and projector
2011-06-29 17:27 <rejon> wpwrak, lets fix in the morning at the venue
2011-06-29 17:27 <rejon> i don't present until the 2nd
2011-06-29 17:28 <wpwrak> wolfspraul, rejon: hmm, i'll see what i can do without my lab
2011-06-29 17:28 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-06-29 17:28 <wpwrak> rejon: if your M1 works, maybe it's better not to try rework
2011-06-29 17:28 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: it's the bug you fixed yourself. just remove and short that big capacitor.
2011-06-29 17:29 <wolfspraul> up to you guys, I'm just connecting...
2011-06-29 17:29 <rejon> ok cool
2011-06-29 17:29 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: capacitor ? ;-)
2011-06-29 17:29 <wolfspraul> bead?
2011-06-29 17:29 <wolfspraul> L19
2011-06-29 17:29 <wolfspraul> it's a big component, should be quite easy, no?
2011-06-29 17:29 <wolfspraul> up to you guys
2011-06-29 17:30 <wolfspraul> otherwise I hope Jon doesn't run into the bug when using the camera...
2011-06-29 17:30 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: removal may be tricky without proper tools
2011-06-29 17:30 <kristianpaul> hum, nice weather in Porto Alegre for this month
2011-06-29 17:30 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: no need remove just short it using a blob of esta~no
2011-06-29 17:31 <wpwrak> well, if rejon wants me to give it a try, we can ask the hw guys if they have something. there's one group that recycles electronics into art :)
2011-06-29 17:31 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: yeah, that's what i'd try to do
2011-06-29 17:31 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (nice weather) nice = freezing cold with rain ?
2011-06-29 17:31 <wolfspraul> rejon: workaround is this: if you want to use the camera in a demo, connect the camera (turned on, i.e. sending a signal) before booting your m1
2011-06-29 17:32 <wolfspraul> then you cannot run into the bug
2011-06-29 17:32 <wolfspraul> if you first boot your m1, then connect the camera later, it may sometimes not be recognized by m1 until the next reboot...
2011-06-29 17:33 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: wikipedia saids 14 °C daily mean for june, here is 30 °C with no wind in the evening, is the hell!
2011-06-29 17:33 <kristianpaul> even 32°C i think
2011-06-29 17:34 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: you have 30 C ? bastard !
2011-06-29 17:34 <rejon> wpwrak, keep me posted about night plans....laying low until....
2011-06-29 17:34 <wpwrak> rejon: i guess night plans will arrive by email :)
2011-06-29 17:35 <kyak> wpwrak: i've started atrf-txrx -P both on Ben and PC
2011-06-29 17:35 <kyak> i see "TX power -4.0 dBm"
2011-06-29 17:36 <kyak> is it as expected?
2011-06-29 17:36 <wpwrak> make this atrf-txrx -P 1 on one of them
2011-06-29 17:36 <wpwrak> then they'll start to talk
2011-06-29 17:37 <kyak> i see ++++ in PC and **** in Ben
2011-06-29 17:37 <kyak> are they talking now?
2011-06-29 17:38 <kyak> i gues they are :)
2011-06-29 17:38 <kristianpaul> with evil plans :)
2011-06-29 17:38 <wpwrak> hmm. they're talking. but they don't understand each other
2011-06-29 17:39 <kyak> hm
2011-06-29 17:40 <wpwrak> does dmesg say anything on the ben ?
2011-06-29 17:41 <kyak> i just had "116 bytes received" message on Ben
2011-06-29 17:41 <kyak> and now "112 bytes"
2011-06-29 17:41 <wpwrak> kyak: in particular, did you disable the various drivers ? (mmc and at86rf230)
2011-06-29 17:41 <kyak> i did disable the at86rf230
2011-06-29 17:42 <kyak> i though mmc was already disabled in ben-wpan kernel
2011-06-29 17:42 <kyak> let me double check. A question - should i reboot Ben with atben in it?
2011-06-29 17:43 <wpwrak> shouldn't matter unless you have the mmc driver
2011-06-29 17:44 <kyak> ok, i rebooted it. Is there anything particulare we are looking for in dmesg?
2011-06-29 17:45 <wpwrak> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/wernermisc/source/tree/master/ub
2011-06-29 17:45 <wpwrak> note that you have t run the commands by hand, due to the echo bug
2011-06-29 17:45 <wpwrak> (unless that's fixed already)
2011-06-29 17:46 <kyak> i'm running it by hand
2011-06-29 17:46 <kyak> though you are right, echo looks pretty weird
2011-06-29 17:46 <wpwrak> ;-)
2011-06-29 17:46 <kyak> like it's redirected to stdout instead of /sys..
2011-06-29 17:47 <wpwrak> yup
2011-06-29 17:47 <kyak> so i unbound it. now atrf-txrx?
2011-06-29 17:47 <wpwrak> yes
2011-06-29 17:47 <wpwrak> you should get a series of . on both sides
2011-06-29 17:48 <kyak> nope.. it's the same + and * 
2011-06-29 17:48 <wpwrak> weird
2011-06-29 17:48 <kyak> do i need to do anything special on atusb side?
2011-06-29 17:48 <wpwrak> ah. yes. you need to upgrade the firmware :)
2011-06-29 17:49 <wpwrak> first, ger dfu-util
2011-06-29 17:49 <kyak> i did that yesterday
2011-06-29 17:49 <kyak> dfu-util -d 20b7:1540 -D atusb.bin
2011-06-29 17:50 <kyak> whereas atusb.bin is the latest (by date) from your directory
2011-06-29 17:50 <wpwrak> then try http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/bindist/atusb-b0b04ed.bin
2011-06-29 17:50 <wpwrak> ah
2011-06-29 17:51 <wpwrak> maybe i need to update it. mompls
2011-06-29 17:51 <kyak> yah, i think it was b0b0 :)
2011-06-29 17:51 <kyak> i like the crc or whatever it is
2011-06-29 17:51 <kyak> i'll to update the firmware again
2011-06-29 17:51 <wpwrak> it's the shor commit number
2011-06-29 17:52 <kyak> http://dpaste.com/560901/
2011-06-29 17:53 <kyak> heh.. i forgot to stop atrf-txrx during update
2011-06-29 17:53 <wpwrak> looks good
2011-06-29 17:54 <kyak> and it started to use 100% CPU
2011-06-29 17:54 <wpwrak> latest version: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/bindist/atusb-b3b037e.bin
2011-06-29 17:54 <wpwrak> whatdid ?
2011-06-29 17:55 <kyak> nevermind, i just killed it.. and reflashed the atusb-b3b037e.bin
2011-06-29 17:55 <kyak> haha!
2011-06-29 17:55 <kyak> now we have dots!
2011-06-29 17:55 <kyak> running fast
2011-06-29 17:56 <wpwrak> yeah ! :)
2011-06-29 17:56 <wpwrak> as it should
2011-06-29 17:56 <kyak> gues b0b0b was not so good after all :)
2011-06-29 17:56 <kyak> ok, so we know it's working. I guess i can take it from here. Do you need me to run any tests?
2011-06-29 17:57 <wpwrak> it may be from befoee bthe latest interrupt changes
2011-06-29 17:57 <wpwrak> i'll be interested in collecting a few serial numbers. but i'll di rhat when i'm back home
2011-06-29 17:58 <wpwrak> the boards should leave tuxbrain i good working order
2011-06-29 18:00 <kyak> ok.. i'll travel around and see when these dots turn to something else, thus detecting the wireless "bubble" :)
2011-06-29 18:01 <wpwrak> kyak: ah yes, that would be good to know
2011-06-29 18:05 <kyak> it works with interruptions (-*) when i'm in another room, not sure how it would affect the real TCP transmission
2011-06-29 18:10 <wpwrak> hehe, recruited my first listener :)
2011-06-29 18:11 <wpwrak> kyak: you could try with dirtpan
2011-06-29 18:13 <kyak> wpwrak: i'm failing at "iz add.." step
2011-06-29 18:13 <kyak> or is it not required for dirtpan?
2011-06-29 18:13 <wpwrak> should be required
2011-06-29 18:13 <kyak> i get "Receive failed: Netlink Error (errno = No such device)" on atusb side
2011-06-29 18:13 <kyak> atben seems fine
2011-06-29 18:14 <kyak> i guess i'm lacking drivers for at86rf230
2011-06-29 18:15 <kyak> the above mentioned error is from "iz add wpan-phy0"
2011-06-29 18:15 <kristianpaul> whet i do a ftp trasnfer it uses tcp isnt?
2011-06-29 18:15 <kyak> yeah
2011-06-29 18:17 <kristianpaul> too slow then ,i'll switch to udp, i guess than handshake is adding cpu load to rtems..
2011-06-29 18:18 <kristianpaul> s/thnat/that
2011-06-29 18:18 <wpwrak> kyak: ah, yes, the atusb side isn't ready yet
2011-06-29 18:18 <wpwrak> kyak: you'd need two atbens to play with it for now
2011-06-29 18:19 <kristianpaul> :o
2011-06-29 18:21 <wpwrak> grmbl. how do i leave gmu ?!?
2011-06-29 18:22 <wpwrak> remote login, then killall -1 gmu.bin did it :)
2011-06-29 18:27 <kyak> wpwrak: alt+q
2011-06-29 18:29 <kyak> wpwrak: ok, so i'll be following stefan's progress for atusb.. Will wait till it becomes usable
2011-06-29 18:32 <wpwrak> we should chain him to his computer so he works harder :)
2011-06-29 18:35 <kyak> not that chaining someone to something ever made their work better :)
2011-06-29 18:36 <kristianpaul> i dotn get it, why i should use fdopen with sockets?
2011-06-29 18:36 <wpwrak> i think galley owners would disagree with you disagreeing :)
2011-06-29 18:36 <wpwrak> also provides great motivation for maintaining strict workplace safety :)
2011-06-29 18:38 <kristianpaul> okay, i'll just use it 
2011-06-29 18:39 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: should or shouldn't ?
2011-06-29 18:39 <kristianpaul> should
2011-06-29 18:40 <kristianpaul> must? :-D
2011-06-29 18:40 <kristianpaul> "fdopen function can be used to initialize a FILE structure from a file descriptor; however, file descriptors are a purely Unix concept not present in standard C."
2011-06-29 18:41 <kristianpaul> i fear about that word "initialize"
2011-06-29 18:41 <kristianpaul> but i guess it mean tell how to do something
2011-06-29 18:41 <kristianpaul> or read something
2011-06-29 18:42 <wpwrak> rejon: fixed my ben :) on another try, it actually booted okay. now t has the latest kernel
2011-06-29 18:42 <rejon> great wpwrak 
2011-06-29 18:43 <kristianpaul> "The fdopen() function associates a stream with a file descriptor. " ah, thats different
2011-06-29 18:43 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: most sources indicate that you shouldn't use FILEs for sockets
2011-06-29 18:43 <kristianpaul> hum..
2011-06-29 18:43 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: appears to be fragile and unportab;e
2011-06-29 18:43 <kristianpaul> i dint coded osgps btw :-)
2011-06-29 18:44 <kristianpaul> but fragile make me thing..
2011-06-29 18:44 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: what you suguest instead, use send and receive?
2011-06-29 18:45 <wpwrak> yup. they're the best
2011-06-29 18:45 <wpwrak> (the whole send* and recv* family. depends a bit on what exactly you need)
2011-06-29 18:46 <kristianpaul> i just want to stream data from mm1 to PC
2011-06-29 18:46 <kristianpaul> well to osgps actually
2011-06-29 18:46 <kristianpaul> wich implemented the FILE for socket
2011-06-29 18:47 <kristianpaul> may be they never tested it..
2011-06-29 18:47 <kristianpaul> may be because i'm new to this, but a FILE for sockets looks usefull :D
2011-06-29 18:48 <wpwrak> it does. and it often works, apparently
2011-06-29 18:48 <wpwrak> but that's noot really by design
2011-06-29 18:48 <wpwrak> so you can have surprises :)
2011-06-29 18:54 <kristianpaul> shame, when i tought all stuff in *nix was about files :)
2011-06-29 18:55 <kristianpaul> passing messages..
2011-06-29 19:02 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: "Not selling hardware " fro FSIL slides,you still mean sell is the point but not hardware it self, instead what it does, the value it generates, that we should sell? 
2011-06-29 19:04 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: naw, i wasn't so philosophical ;-) it's just a way of saying that, if you intend to make (and sell) hw, you're at risk of patent attacks
2011-06-29 19:04 <kristianpaul> ahh
2011-06-29 19:04 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (while the risk is much lower for sw)
2011-06-29 19:05 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (especially free sw)
2011-06-29 19:05 <kristianpaul> so...
2011-06-29 19:05 <kristianpaul> i still confuse, man i should asssisted to you talk, or get mad reading the slides :S
2011-06-29 19:06 <kristianpaul> assist*
2011-06-29 19:06 <wpwrak> so that strategy is not an option. and you bhave to kepe listening for therest i say :)
2011-06-29 19:07 <kristianpaul> but when you mean hardware, you dont meant a product
2011-06-29 19:07 <wpwrak> yes, i mean hw as a product
2011-06-29 19:09 <kristianpaul> wonder how many  patent attacks
2011-06-29 19:09 <kristianpaul> sharism/qi-hardware had have
2011-06-29 19:09 <wpwrak> well, openmoko suffered one
2011-06-29 19:10 <wpwrak> (via pulster)
2011-06-29 19:10 <wpwrak> qi-hw 0 so far
2011-06-29 19:10 <kristianpaul> pulser??
2011-06-29 19:10 <kristianpaul> the same who sell frerunner?
2011-06-29 19:10 <kristianpaul> or i'm confused?
2011-06-29 19:10 <wpwrak> a distributpr
2011-06-29 19:10 <wpwrak> yes
2011-06-29 19:10 <wpwrak> that one
2011-06-29 19:10 <kristianpaul> wow
2011-06-29 19:11 <kristianpaul> indeed,youhave interesting histories to tell from OM :)
2011-06-29 19:11 <wpwrak> it was something stupid. we installed mp3 codecs on the freerunners without even thinking there could be a problem
2011-06-29 19:12 <wpwrak> well, there was
2011-06-29 19:12 <kristianpaul> ah, i undertand wolfgang know :)
2011-06-29 19:12 <wpwrak> that's why wolfgang is so careful about codecs now. once bitten, twice shy
2011-06-29 19:12 <kristianpaul> s/knwo/now
2011-06-29 19:12 <wpwrak> yup :)
2011-06-29 19:14 <wpwrak> rejon: does the hotel have good heating ? i don't feel the cold so much anymore, which is probably a bad sign :)
2011-06-29 19:14 <rejon> ha
2011-06-29 19:14 <rejon> that's why i always pack a jumprope
2011-06-29 19:14 <rejon> on trips
2011-06-29 19:14 <rejon> yes good heating
2011-06-29 19:20 <wpwrak> kewl. or, rather, hot :)
2011-06-29 19:21 <kristianpaul> wait wait wait,NFS seems to implement fdopen hum
2011-06-29 19:21 <rejon> wpwrak, forgot to intro you to carol from google last night
2011-06-29 19:21 <rejon> she runs google summer of code
2011-06-29 19:22 <wpwrak> at, google recruiting :)
2011-06-29 19:22 <wpwrak> s/at/ah/
2011-06-29 19:22 <kristianpaul> may be not
2011-06-29 19:22 <wpwrak> she was seated atthe corner, on your side ?
2011-06-29 19:22 <kristianpaul> damn hot here,i need a fan
2011-06-29 19:23 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: GRRRR
2011-06-29 19:25 <kristianpaul> :D
2011-06-29 19:33 <kristianpaul> sh*t fdopen is not in K&R, hum..
2011-06-29 19:34 <kristianpaul> ah, posix,...
2011-06-29 19:35 <kristianpaul> okay, let use berkely sockets as wikipedia saids :)
2011-06-29 19:36 <wpwrak> :)
2011-06-29 19:52 <wpwrak> rejon: does your ttavel kit by any chance contain a usb hub ?
2011-06-29 19:52 <wpwrak> s/tt/tr/
2011-06-29 19:53 <rejon> wpwrak, nope
2011-06-29 19:53 <rejon> there is a hw store next to this hotel eko btw
2011-06-29 19:54 <wpwrak> oh, kewl. they thought of everything :)
2011-06-29 20:01 <wpwrak> hmm, forecast predicts 19 C for tomorrow. then down to 13. wow. sunday minimum will be -1 !
2011-06-29 20:11 <wpwrak> rejon: heading towards the hotel
2011-06-29 20:12 <rejon> wpwrak, cool...i'm not coming out yet ;)
2011-06-29 20:12 <wpwrak> cya in a bit
2011-06-29 21:53 <wpwrak> rejon: arrrived at hotel :)
2011-06-29 21:53 <wpwrak> rejon: are you still here ?
2011-06-29 22:10 <viric> grh somehow I don't get into this channel automatically.