2011-06-22 01:19 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: did you see Harald's blog post about his legal fun with AVM and the GPL?
2011-06-22 01:20 <wolfspraul> you must like this one: "rmmod proprietary_module" violates the copyright of the owner of proprietary_module :-)
2011-06-22 01:20 <wolfspraul> that is indeed a whole new way to think about it...
2011-06-22 01:21 <wolfspraul> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/21/#20110621-avm_cybits_court_hearing
2011-06-22 01:36 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: libsdl-gfx: copy the missing .pc files, thanks Jiva http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/51fc69f
2011-06-22 01:44 <kristianpaul> (rmmod) how they could.., that a so _void_ argument, well, thinking in pro of AVM,  i wonder if you can imponse that some how, in a extreme case by warranty void is module removed or something, same as when you root a phone..
2011-06-22 01:45 <kristianpaul> but violate copyright, how come... :S
2011-06-22 01:46 <wolfspraul> we see what happens. it's a nice self-referential argument. if I first claim that you have no license for my proprietary component, and then I claim that you also have no right to remove it, that's a nice one :-)
2011-06-22 01:47 <wolfspraul> it's in line with their lawyers saying that "avm provides all gpl sources so people can do whatever they like with the software, just not on our devices"
2011-06-22 01:48 <wolfspraul> but of course I do understand their side, they will claim that a 3rd party messes with the integrity of their product, leave a lot of stuff in the GUI still saying 'avm', but changing functionality...
2011-06-22 01:48 <wolfspraul> a lot of those things have never been thought through in earnest by free software folks, maybe because so few of them actually run a company :-)
2011-06-22 01:48 <wolfspraul> it's a nice way to point expensive customer support problems at your competitors...
2011-06-22 01:50 <kristianpaul> (modded GUI with avm), i see, thats a fair point
2011-06-22 01:50 <wolfspraul> for copyleft hardware, I think we should design everything from day 1 so that it is very easy to re-brand the device including software under a new name
2011-06-22 01:51 <wolfspraul> actually I'm already doing that, removing unnecessary references to sharism, trying to pull brand names into fewer places so they can be renamed easily
2011-06-22 01:51 <kristianpaul> hum i still wondering where i can read sharism ;)
2011-06-22 01:52 <wolfspraul> brand names and the use of trademark law arguments in legal disputes go against the ideas of the GPL and free software in some places. so I think best is to separate them clearly.
2011-06-22 01:52 <kristianpaul> indeed
2011-06-22 01:53 <wolfspraul> so anybody has the chance to either reuse a brand name, or make a new brand name. And whatever choice they make they then have to be able to hold up to trademark disputes.
2011-06-22 01:57 <kristianpaul> but.. is not linux a trademark, so, how you could include modules/blobs with other trademarks and not deal later with it?, or do i miss the point here?
2011-06-22 01:58 <wolfspraul> don't understand
2011-06-22 02:00 <wolfspraul> I think if you would take an AVM box, remove any references to AVM on the box, in any software GUI, etc., then AVM wouldn't care or even have started this legal case
2011-06-22 02:00 <wolfspraul> but this other company and AVM are quite intertwined, my understanding is that they add certain features to the AVM box, but the entire experience of the box is still an 'AVM experience', and AVM doesn't like that.
2011-06-22 02:00 <wolfspraul> which I can understand
2011-06-22 02:01 <kristianpaul> the copyright that AVM claim for the linux module then use code with trademark from then?
2011-06-22 02:01 <kristianpaul> ah, okay
2011-06-22 02:01 <kristianpaul> i see it now
2011-06-22 02:01 <wolfspraul> so now, as in many legal cases, they come up with whatever logic their lawyers can come up with to make their point
2011-06-22 02:01 <wolfspraul> I just specifically like the argument that 'rmmod module' violates the rights of the owner of the proprietary module. that's a good one :-)
2011-06-22 02:02 <kristianpaul> he, thats a bit hard some times, imaging removing Link sys brading from my router that run openwrt if therically want to comercialize a product with a custom firmare :-)
2011-06-22 02:02 <wolfspraul> you make removing your thing a violation of your thing. that way you can force whatever you want upon the other side. Now they only need to get the court to agree :-)
2011-06-22 02:02 <kristianpaul> afaik some buffalo routers ship/uses dd-wrt, i wonder what agreement they did..
2011-06-22 02:03 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: yes exactly. If you go on to sell those 'linksys' routers under that brand name with modified firmware, sooner or later linksys will not accept it.
2011-06-22 02:03 <wolfspraul> whether they can win the legal case I don't know
2011-06-22 02:03 <wolfspraul> they will claim it's a whole system, where you may claim that the linksys box is just the hardware...
2011-06-22 05:17 <kyak> xMff: ping
2011-06-22 06:57 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (saw it in the news, yes) sounds like a very tricky case. it may get decided on technicalities.
2011-06-22 07:22 <DocScrutinizer> moo
2011-06-22 07:23 <DocScrutinizer> never knew AVM is "on the dark side"
2011-06-22 07:36 <wolfspraul> DocScrutinizer: so what is Nokia's plan with the N9?
2011-06-22 07:36 <DocScrutinizer> hi wolfspraul 
2011-06-22 07:36 <DocScrutinizer> I don't know, really
2011-06-22 07:36 <wolfspraul> they announce it and then?
2011-06-22 07:36 <DocScrutinizer> it's the stillborn concept from my PoV
2011-06-22 07:37 <wolfspraul> how open is the OS compared to N900?
2011-06-22 07:37 <wolfspraul> can you rebuild an entire image from scratch? how many binary blobs?
2011-06-22 07:38 <DocScrutinizer> look, inofficial mantra for N900 always been "it's not a phone, it's a computer". For N9 things seem to have changed to "This is not a computer (or NIT), this is a me-too-Android"
2011-06-22 07:39 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: I have no idea about how open this maemo-meego-harmattan chimera is
2011-06-22 07:39 <DocScrutinizer> obviously still a lot of blobs
2011-06-22 07:40 <wolfspraul> the N9 software side/community is not connected to N900?
2011-06-22 07:40 <wolfspraul> I lost overview over all the twists and turns in their software...
2011-06-22 07:40 <DocScrutinizer>  http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/non-free/
2011-06-22 07:41 <wolfspraul> what is the software continuity between N900 and N9?
2011-06-22 07:41 <DocScrutinizer> basically none
2011-06-22 07:41 <DocScrutinizer> at least none defined or intended
2011-06-22 07:42 <wolfspraul> ouch
2011-06-22 07:42 <DocScrutinizer> harmattan been called maemo6, while N900 is running fremantle M5, and N8x0 had diablo M4
2011-06-22 07:42 <wolfspraul> that looks like 50-100 binary blobs in the url you posted
2011-06-22 07:42 <DocScrutinizer> there's not really any compatibility from M4 -> M5 -> M6
2011-06-22 07:43 <wolfspraul> I see
2011-06-22 07:43 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: I never even looked at that URL
2011-06-22 07:43 <DocScrutinizer> then they decided M5 harmattan now has to become meego-harmattan
2011-06-22 07:44 <DocScrutinizer> which doesn't help things
2011-06-22 07:44 <DocScrutinizer> err M6 harmattan -> meego-harmattan
2011-06-22 07:44 <DocScrutinizer> intel is bitching "THIS IS NOT MEEGO!!!1!1!!!"
2011-06-22 07:45 <DocScrutinizer> lot of maemo community is moaning "this is way too much meego"
2011-06-22 07:46 <DocScrutinizer> and the "best" part of it all that *really* makes me throw up: aegis & security framework
2011-06-22 07:48 <DocScrutinizer> http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html
2011-06-22 07:49 <DocScrutinizer> aegis: http://www.slideshare.net/peterschneider/maemo-6-platform-security
2011-06-22 07:49 <DocScrutinizer> WAAAAAHH!! >:-((
2011-06-22 07:50 <wolfspraul> well it will all be dead soon, but I'm wondering where to look for the best bits and pieces, if any, for future projects
2011-06-22 07:50 <wolfspraul> is any significant or interesting stuff going upstream anywhere, or manages to create a small community around itself?
2011-06-22 07:50 <DocScrutinizer> no, it's not BL-locked. You can choose "open mode" any time, you just have to accept an arbitrary number of core functions will cease to work then
2011-06-22 07:51 <wolfspraul> or is it all tied to the titanic?
2011-06-22 07:51 <wolfspraul> ok but let's assume this will all be dead soon. all paid engineers let go or reassigned to wm.
2011-06-22 07:51 <DocScrutinizer> gustloff
2011-06-22 07:51 <wolfspraul> which part can survive?
2011-06-22 07:51 <DocScrutinizer> not titanic
2011-06-22 07:52 <wolfspraul> are there any significant/interesting things that were developed as free software and can survive?
2011-06-22 07:52 <DocScrutinizer> maemo community can survive, on N900 carefully treated like a treasure
2011-06-22 07:52 <wolfspraul> which parts see the heaviest upstreaming efforts?
2011-06-22 07:52 <wolfspraul> is it possible to port maemo to n9?
2011-06-22 07:53 <DocScrutinizer> should, modulo the closed stuff mainly core apps like dialer, calendar, contacts
2011-06-22 07:54 <DocScrutinizer> but then that's probably meego-harmattan in the end
2011-06-22 07:54 <DocScrutinizer> see URL above
2011-06-22 07:54 <DocScrutinizer> content comparision
2011-06-22 07:55 <DocScrutinizer> only common denominator seems to be Qt
2011-06-22 07:56 <wolfspraul> hmm
2011-06-22 07:56 <DocScrutinizer> and, surpise surprise, that's the main new SDK the ship with N9
2011-06-22 07:56 <wolfspraul> do you think the Maemo community can survive with Nokia corporate support/sponsorship totally gone?
2011-06-22 07:56 <DocScrutinizer> QML actually
2011-06-22 07:56 <DocScrutinizer> aiui
2011-06-22 07:57 <DocScrutinizer> I think they *could* but will bleed out til zombie state
2011-06-22 07:57 <wolfspraul> so N900 will proudly follow the FreeRunner?
2011-06-22 07:57 <DocScrutinizer> yep
2011-06-22 07:57 <DocScrutinizer> one big fsckng deja-vu
2011-06-22 07:58 <DocScrutinizer> every single gory detail of it
2011-06-22 08:00 <DocScrutinizer> my dreamy hopes are on N950, as Nokia wouldn't have developed that device just to deliver 250 devel-devs to community. They must have plans to eventually market it
2011-06-22 08:01 <wolfspraul> that's not the N9? yet another one?
2011-06-22 08:01 <DocScrutinizer> this would open a perspective for new devices coming from Nokia so the whole linux thing isn't tagged with its own date of extinction, and also the device is attractive enough to keep maemo community alive
2011-06-22 08:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0621/h_1308650003_5628d0de58.jpeg
2011-06-22 08:03 <DocScrutinizer> the device they actually have for contractors and community to develop on it for N9 yet to come
2011-06-22 08:05 <DocScrutinizer> for a long time everybody thought this will be next device and N900 successor
2011-06-22 08:06 <DocScrutinizer> rumour has it they got CE cert problems, and also some yield problems or sth
2011-06-22 08:06 <DocScrutinizer> so can't sell it to mass market (yet?)
2011-06-22 08:07 <wolfspraul> I know you are in this for a long time, but for me it's too many twists and turns and renames and stuff. I just wait until it's all dead and then see what can be resurrected in new products :-)
2011-06-22 08:07 <wolfspraul> I bought the original N770 years ago. that was a good start. then it went into all sorts of directions, until today :-)
2011-06-22 08:07 <DocScrutinizer> I'm hoping to get one, by support of Nokia employees supporting my application for one of the 250
2011-06-22 08:07 <wolfspraul> needs a phd to understand how it all connects together (or not)
2011-06-22 08:08 <wolfspraul> maybe some pieces of reusable free software will survive
2011-06-22 08:08 <DocScrutinizer> (N770) yeah, Nokia really knows how to kick balls of their community and act like 3 stooges when it comes to marketing
2011-06-22 08:09 <DocScrutinizer> (reusable sw) not really much aiui
2011-06-22 08:09 <wolfspraul> yep
2011-06-22 08:09 <wolfspraul> expensive lines of code :-)
2011-06-22 08:09 <wolfspraul> but we take anything, right? even 100 lines that someone sunk 1 billion into writing... :-)
2011-06-22 08:09 <DocScrutinizer> yep. though you definitely want to talk to mickey about that, he's way better on that domain
2011-06-22 08:10 <wolfspraul> I have no specific plans, just wondering what happens and where reusable pieces might be.
2011-06-22 08:10 <wolfspraul> primarily my starting point is the NanoNote, then add things to that
2011-06-22 08:10 <DocScrutinizer> he already reused part of that intel phone stack
2011-06-22 08:10 <wolfspraul> so N950 has a keyboard, but N9 is touch-only, I guess
2011-06-22 08:11 <DocScrutinizer> yes
2011-06-22 08:11 <DocScrutinizer> N9 = capacitive mt with 848*480 AMOLED
2011-06-22 08:12 <DocScrutinizer> n950 is classical, but same resolution
2011-06-22 08:12 <DocScrutinizer> oops
2011-06-22 08:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.developer.nokia.com/dp?uri=http://sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes
2011-06-22 08:12 <DocScrutinizer> n9 vs n950
2011-06-22 08:19 <DocScrutinizer> the most annoying part in all this embedded stuff right now is: it won't earn me a breakfast, which I'm going to have now. so ttyl
2011-06-22 08:25 <wolfspraul> interesting doc about N9 vs N950 differences - thanks
2011-06-22 10:56 <kyak> jow_laptop: may i ask you to have a look at https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/9573 ?
2011-06-22 10:56 <kyak> i think it's worth accepting in openwrt
2011-06-22 11:00 <jow_laptop> ok
2011-06-22 11:03 <jow_laptop> done
2011-06-22 11:10 <kyak> thanks!
2011-06-22 11:10 <wolfspraul> jow_laptop: yeah, awesome! thanks! that was quick...
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] hauke: firmware-utils: fix build on big endian systems http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bf48bee
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [include] cmake.mk: fix bogus values for FIND_ROOT_PATH_MODE_*; kept plplot from compiling (#9573) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0fba51d
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7fdf51f
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/10b92a7
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/aaa1f52
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/47bf3ac
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5d89d8a
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/df3fa8b
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f15aaa5
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3415136
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e4c52ef
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ce9677e
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9e25226
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0cc25e6
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b0931b8
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fa3d469
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bdec59d
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: uboot-xburst: don't install empty dir http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9a27871
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9f1d7f1
2011-06-22 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a2997e2
2011-06-22 11:58 <DocScrutinizer> is there anything like a DNS-ping tool? To evaluate answer/RTT delay of my DNS?
2011-06-22 12:00 <GNUtoo> hmmm I guess dig or nslookup don't count as ping tool?
2011-06-22 12:05 <DocScrutinizer> esp they don't do multiple lookups of different addresses, and time that
2011-06-22 12:07 <DocScrutinizer> I got web browsing slow as geotectonics, and I wonder is it caused by laggy servers not delivering content, or is it my DNS delaying each resolve query for the usually dozens of advert banners etc
2011-06-22 12:08 <DocScrutinizer> hard to tell apart from watching browser fetch a webpage
2011-06-22 12:08 <DocScrutinizer> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing#  took like minutes to start
2011-06-22 12:09 <DocScrutinizer> which would mean it's probably general thruput / bandwidth issue
2011-06-22 12:09 <DocScrutinizer> OTOH ct.de was fast like hell
2011-06-22 12:19 <GNUtoo> for me the anti trusted computing video is fast
2011-06-22 12:19 <GNUtoo> but I've add-block
2011-06-22 12:19 <GNUtoo> and I've my own dns too
2011-06-22 12:30 <DocScrutinizer> I guess sth is wrong with my DSL
2011-06-22 12:31 <DocScrutinizer> though even the mere view of the TPM video was completely strange, as if Google had a new page layout or dunno what
2011-06-22 13:09 <whitequark> saw some news about nokia releasing developer variants of n9
2011-06-22 13:09 <whitequark> is that a sort of agony?
2011-06-22 13:10 <B_Lizzard> heh
2011-06-22 13:10 <B_Lizzard> Most likely an uncompleted version of that scrapped Meego phone with the keyboard
2011-06-22 13:11 <B_Lizzard> So they fix whatever hardware issue it might've had and release it as a "developer" phone because obviously the software isn't up to snuff.
2011-06-22 13:12 <mth> DocScrutinizer: some IPv6 misconfigurations can cause DNS to be really slow (takes some time before it falls back to IPv4)
2011-06-22 13:13 <DocScrutinizer> mth: aah, maybe telecom did some tests recently
2011-06-22 13:13 <DocScrutinizer> I also had strange downtimes of several minutes on reconnect
2011-06-22 13:14 <DocScrutinizer> mth: thanks
2011-06-22 13:15 <DocScrutinizer> whitequark: B_Lizzard: see backscroll
2011-06-22 13:34 <B_Lizzard> DocScrutinizer, wasn't in
2011-06-22 13:34 <B_Lizzard> In any case...
2011-06-22 13:47 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06212011-1026/
2011-06-22 13:47 <`antonio`> Hi, I am trying to flash my image in my nanonote using the reflash_ben.sh script, but I have some problems: after the script has finish, when I boot it the screen becomes blank  
2011-06-22 13:47 <`antonio`> is that normal ?
2011-06-22 13:48 <`antonio`> when i boot it there are some lines, and it says "starting kernel..." after that the screen becomes black
2011-06-22 13:53 <wolfspraul> `antonio`: not normal :-)
2011-06-22 13:53 <wolfspraul> do you have the latest xburst-tools and reflash_ben.sh installed?
2011-06-22 13:54 <`antonio`> yes
2011-06-22 13:54 <`antonio`>  I am just recompiling the toolchain from scratch now
2011-06-22 13:54 <`antonio`> following the wiki
2011-06-22 13:54 <wolfspraul> recompiling the toolchain? wow
2011-06-22 13:55 <wolfspraul> that shouldn't be needed simply for reflashing your Ben
2011-06-22 13:55 <wolfspraul> oh wait, you have created your own image?
2011-06-22 13:55 <`antonio`> yes
2011-06-22 13:55 <wolfspraul> ahh. got it now. well then there's probably a number of things that could have gone wrong.
2011-06-22 13:56 <wolfspraul> unfortunately I haven't built my own image from scratch in a long time, so others may know better what to look out for
2011-06-22 13:56 <`antonio`> are there some specific packages or libraries I need to compile ? 
2011-06-22 13:56 <`antonio`> ok
2011-06-22 13:57 <wolfspraul> your boot fails very early
2011-06-22 13:57 <wolfspraul> 'starting kernel', I guess that means at least u-boot successfully loaded the kernel, then it executes it but that's it, it doesn't even start
2011-06-22 13:57 <wolfspraul> otherwise the kernel would display more messages, the next choking point would be to mount the rootfs, but you don't even get there it seems
2011-06-22 13:58 <`antonio`> yeh 
2011-06-22 13:59 <`antonio`> so basically it's more a toolchain issue there must be something missing 
2011-06-22 14:00 <`antonio`> is there a wiki for the packages required in the toolchain? 
2011-06-22 14:03 <wolfspraul> not sure how that can affect kernel compilation
2011-06-22 14:03 <wolfspraul> which openwrt config file do you use as a starting point?
2011-06-22 14:07 <`antonio`> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/latest/feeds.conf
2011-06-22 14:07 <`antonio`> this you mean?
2011-06-22 14:12 <`antonio`> I am trying follow this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image#Feeds
2011-06-22 14:18 <kyak> `antonio`: can you give more details about "blank screen"?
2011-06-22 14:19 <kyak> does it react to buttons? what about Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2? did you try pinging/sshing into it?
2011-06-22 14:20 <`antonio`> I tryed both but nothing
2011-06-22 14:20 <`antonio`> let me reflash it again
2011-06-22 14:23 <kyak> make sure you use your kernel and rootfs images with reflash_ben.sh
2011-06-22 14:24 <`antonio`> sure 
2011-06-22 14:57 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: ping
2011-06-22 15:05 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: moo :)
2011-06-22 15:07 <DocScrutinizer> wow, stefan_schmidt - HI!
2011-06-22 15:11 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer: hi, I _know_ you looked like a bot (wrt infobot name change)
2011-06-22 15:11 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: hi
2011-06-22 15:11 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
2011-06-22 15:11 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: who is Richard, the sub skeleton driver guy?
2011-06-22 15:12 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: I'm getting frustrated with my other ieee802154 device which makes me more interested in getting a driver for atusb ready :)
2011-06-22 15:12 <DocScrutinizer> last time I did this with infobot in channel under name of Guest3464533, infobot grabbed the nickname DocScrutinizer immediately in reply ;-P
2011-06-22 15:13 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: richard = Richard Sharpe
2011-06-22 15:13 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: (other device) hehe ;-)
2011-06-22 15:14 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: is he here in IRC?
2011-06-22 15:14 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: Don't wanted to start a usb driver from scratch just because of my time pressure :)
2011-06-22 15:14 <DocScrutinizer> ooh I forgot to mention, N9 has NFC, whatever they use
2011-06-22 15:14 <DocScrutinizer> might be 802.15.4?
2011-06-22 15:15 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: naw, how only showed up here once or twice
2011-06-22 15:15 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: how bad is the time pressure ? i've finished the basics of what's needed to get a proof of concept atusb driver to work. there are some races, though.
2011-06-22 15:16 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: my next steps are to change the build process of the atusb fimrmware a bit, because i can no longer have identical object files for boot and application (too much overhead in the application's usb core, making the boot loader exceed its 4 kB)
2011-06-22 15:17 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: next, an atben driver that registers as SPI. that would also be an example for structuring the atusb driver
2011-06-22 15:17 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: do you have any atbens ? or only atusb ?
2011-06-22 15:18 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: NFC sounds more like RFID
2011-06-22 15:18 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: IEEE 802.15.4 has 10-100x the desired range ;-)
2011-06-22 15:19 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
2011-06-22 15:20 <DocScrutinizer> nfc about nfc
2011-06-22 15:20 <DocScrutinizer> all I know is there are at least 2 different standards
2011-06-22 15:21 <wpwrak> got some really nice spam: "McDonalds invites you to The Free Dinner Day"
2011-06-22 15:21 <DocScrutinizer> so dunno what they actually mean when calling it NFC nowadays
2011-06-22 15:22 <wpwrak> with a voucher in the form of a .zip and of course a .exe inside. i think we can all guess what the .exe would do :)
2011-06-22 15:22 <stefan_schmidt> sorry, working chat in the other window.
2011-06-22 15:22 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: time pressure: already some weeks behind diploma schedule :)
2011-06-22 15:22 <wolfspraul> has anybody heard from Tuxbrain how atben and atusb sales are going?
2011-06-22 15:23 <wolfspraul> he is totally silent even though I ordered some boards from him :-)
2011-06-22 15:23 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: So I would like to test any atusb driver you might come up with. Giving you a hand on fixing would be fine
2011-06-22 15:23 <wpwrak> the funny thing is, if they had actually attached some real-looking voucher, people may have stormed macdonalds, causing no end of trouble :)
2011-06-22 15:23 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: only atusb devices
2011-06-22 15:23 <stefan_schmidt> I don't have a nanonote at all
2011-06-22 15:23 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: (weeks later) aw :(   well, the sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up ... :)
2011-06-22 15:23 <stefan_schmidt> wolfspraul: well, with my six atusb I ordered 5% of the stock of these already. ;)
2011-06-22 15:24 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: heh
2011-06-22 15:25 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: (atusb) all i have is richard's atusb skeleton. he said he'd work on it this week.
2011-06-22 15:25 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: woould you be able to send me this with the other changes you may have?
2011-06-22 15:25 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: he's in semi-vanished mode again. he popped up briefly 1-3 days ago, but didn't say anything about sales
2011-06-22 15:25 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: the problem is a bit that neither of my devices works at the low level so I can start my actual work. :)
2011-06-22 15:26 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: (work on it) great
2011-06-22 15:27 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: i've forwarded you his skeleton
2011-06-22 15:27 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: the problem he mentioned in his mail was a misunderstood return value. so his code did the right thing.
2011-06-22 15:27 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: thanks a lot
2011-06-22 15:28 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: going to cinema now (social stuff you know) and will have a look after this
2011-06-22 15:28 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: i don't have any changes on top of it. all my stuff is in git anyway.
2011-06-22 15:29 <wpwrak> stefan_schmidt: enjoy ! ;-)
2011-06-22 15:49 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: RX vs. TX synchronization, further corrections http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/fd8fe53
2011-06-22 16:18 <methril_work> wpwrak, when did you arrive to Porto Alegre?
2011-06-22 16:39 <wpwrak> methril: i will arrive on the 28th
2011-06-22 16:39 <wpwrak> (weather and volcano willing :)
2011-06-22 18:00 <methril_work> wpwrak, i'm going to Porto Alegre the 29th
2011-06-22 18:00 <methril_work> around 19:00 h in the airport
2011-06-22 18:29 <rjeffries> here we go: a hack that might connect a real keyboard to Ben Nanonote over Werner's atben + a gadget in the middle.
2011-06-22 18:29 <rjeffries> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/06/22/wireless-networked-at-keyboard/
2011-06-22 20:32 <dvdk> looks like openwrt-trunk C++ compiler is broken wrt. exceptions
2011-06-22 20:32 <dvdk> doing a throw() results in my programs getting SIGABRT
2011-06-22 20:33 <dvdk> found this open ticket at openwrt.org:
2011-06-22 20:33 <dvdk> https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/9185
2011-06-22 20:33 <dvdk> any ideas?
2011-06-22 20:38 <bartbes> as the thing mentions that happens if you link against stdc++ and then run with uclibc++
2011-06-22 20:38 <wpwrak> methril: great ! i'll have my talk the next day (the 30th). that may be an easy way to catch me.
2011-06-22 20:39 <dvdk> doesn't seem to be the prob.
2011-06-22 20:39 <dvdk> ldd ./exptest
2011-06-22 20:39 <dvdk> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x2ad48000)
2011-06-22 20:39 <dvdk> l..]
2011-06-22 20:45 <wpwrak> methril: otherwise, we'll have to synchronize electronically. hmm, have to prepare my laptop for travel ...
2011-06-22 21:07 <dvdk> trying to rebuild my toolchain with --enable-sjlj-exceptions
2011-06-22 21:13 <methril_work> wpwrak, i'm going to be there only the 29th
2011-06-22 21:14 <methril_work> then i've t ogo back home (work)
2011-06-22 21:16 <wpwrak> methril: oh :-( a busy man
2011-06-22 21:17 <methril_work> wpwrak, unfortunately i have no license to stay on Porto Alegre :(
2011-06-22 21:17 <methril_work> i'm really sad, because it was a good opportunity to know some Qi-people ;)
2011-06-22 21:32 <wpwrak> rjeffries: seems you've found what you're looking for :)
2011-06-22 22:14 <rjeffries> wpwrak well, it is a kludge however
2011-06-22 22:16 <wpwrak> rjeffries: of course it is. what did you expect - an iKeyboard, hand-carved from a block of magnesium ? ;-)
2011-06-22 22:41 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: what you understand with binary reference clock  ?
2011-06-22 22:41 <kristianpaul> actually " frequency plan is based on a binary reference clock rather than the GPS chip clock."
2011-06-22 22:49 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: hmm, do you have more context ?
2011-06-22 22:50 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: do you have sige4162 evb/IC datasheet?
2011-06-22 22:50 <kristianpaul> but
2011-06-22 22:50 <kristianpaul> "The IF filter is centred at 2.556 MHz. The 1575.42 MHz GPS RF input is mixed down to a 2.556 MHz IF by a 1572.864 MHz LO (96*16.384 MHz). A complex mix to baseband is made with an internal NCO. The data is decimated and filtered by 4 to give 2.048 MSPS data, and serialized."
2011-06-22 22:51 <kristianpaul> i think it may add a bit more context
2011-06-22 22:51 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: i'm _finaklly_porting namuru correlator to milkymist, but this sige chip is not the others
2011-06-22 22:51 <kristianpaul> i still having doubts about the samping clock value..
2011-06-22 22:53 <kristianpaul> wich is this case seems to be not the same as other old sige IC and other frontends, in wich asmpling clock is synchronized wiht the GPS signal
2011-06-22 22:54 <kristianpaul> for now i guessed sampling freq is same as sampling rate, so then 2.048Mhz
2011-06-22 22:57 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (data sheet) it seems i lost it :(
2011-06-22 22:57 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (data sheet) well, all of the sige ones. so i don't even know which ones i had
2011-06-22 22:58 <wpwrak> (sampling freq/rate) sounds synonymous, yes
2011-06-22 23:05 <freakazoid0223> em
2011-06-22 23:57 <stefan_schmidt> wpwrak: still around?
2011-06-22 23:57 <stefan_schmidt> never got behind wpwrak sleeping schedule.