2011-06-18 00:07 rejon: (fisl) still haven't heard from them. checking their web site ... 2011-06-18 00:09 rejon: nothing on the speakers list. don't see you there either. 2011-06-18 00:10 rejon: the "program" link returns something unreadable 2011-06-18 00:12 rejon: ah, in firefox it's readable ... checking ... 2011-06-18 00:13 rejon: nope. don't see my name there. neither yours. 2011-06-18 00:21 rejon: (liliputing) nice article ! 2011-06-18 00:37 DocScrutinizer: http://lwn.net/Articles/448179 2011-06-18 00:39 kristianpaul: thanks. But I know about the Exo's and am not really excited 2011-06-18 00:39 me either, just was waiting for your comments :-) 2011-06-18 00:40 they're giving these away since months, on Intel events 2011-06-18 00:40 meego-intel 2011-06-18 00:40 actually, when i saw rss entry on me reader i touch was something else not just another table :( 2011-06-18 00:40 s/touch/tought 2011-06-18 00:47 tuxbrain_HxxHhzo: btw, any news on the sugru ? 2011-06-18 04:12 Fabio Varesano's MS thesis is interesting. Uses KiCad. CC Sharealike license. He di Femtoduino as well as a cool 9 degrees of moyopm boatf that Spark Fun the redeigned and munged up. ;) 2011-06-18 04:12 http://www.varesano.net/files/MoS_thesis/thesis.pdf 2011-06-18 04:27 )dupe_ lekernel when you are ready to investigate asic this is a low entry cost vendor 2011-06-18 04:27 21:26 http://www.lfoundry.com/index.php?id=204 2011-06-18 05:43 i wonder what would happen if i pulled the kernel tree from qi-kernel and the one from linux-zigbee into the same repository, to that i can fetch from each other. would all the gunk that i pull but that shows up only on one side also be sent along in the next push ? hmm ... 2011-06-18 05:46 wpwrak, send them email 2011-06-18 05:46 they sent me one saying, please send final talk 2011-06-18 05:46 rejon: who would be the contact ? fernanda ? 2011-06-18 05:46 sure 2011-06-18 05:46 Rodrigo Troian 2011-06-18 05:47 Machado 2011-06-18 05:47 cc them 2011-06-18 05:47 rejon: thanks ! 2011-06-18 05:47 rejon: "final talk" = abstract ? 2011-06-18 05:48 rejon: or slides ? 2011-06-18 05:48 right 2011-06-18 05:48 4 sentences 2011-06-18 05:49 kewl. i'll see to it in the morning. more creative after a bit of sleep :) 2011-06-18 05:49 rejon: what will you cover ? 2011-06-18 05:50 wpwrak: I would expect git would only push the commits that are in the history of the branch that is being pushed 2011-06-18 05:51 mth: ought to be safe then ... hmm ... risk it or not, this is the question ... 2011-06-18 05:51 mth: maybe another thing best pondered tomorrow :) 2011-06-18 05:51 wpwrak, mm1 2011-06-18 05:52 and will think some about getting people involved 2011-06-18 05:52 how we can get more brazilian developers and biz onboard 2011-06-18 05:52 rejon: anything about qi-hw, the ben, ... ? 2011-06-18 05:52 a lil bit about qi 2011-06-18 05:52 but i will try to shift my presentations to be less about freedom and copyleft 2011-06-18 05:53 and more about our projects standing on their own legs 2011-06-18 05:53 standing in what way ? that they actually function in real life ? 2011-06-18 05:55 more about tech. innovation, less about social innovation 2011-06-18 05:55 cultural innovation as well 2011-06-18 05:57 you really like to use the word "innovation" ;-) 2011-06-18 05:58 the Dingoo is quite popular in Brazil because there is a company making them locally and therefore they are very affordable compared to imported devices 2011-06-18 05:59 Brazil has very high import taxes for electronics, afaik 2011-06-18 05:59 mth: very simple taxes: 100% 2011-06-18 05:59 so with open hardware, being able to manufacture in Brazil should be an advantage 2011-06-18 05:59 mth: argentina is much cheaper. only 50% 2011-06-18 06:00 mth, totally 2011-06-18 06:00 exactly why i want to speak about this 2011-06-18 06:00 mth: brazil also has interesting investment requirements for companies. they have to dedicate a certain amount of their revenue to R&D, be it in-house or something they deem worthy 2011-06-18 06:50 [commit] Benson Leung: gpio-charger: Add gpio_charger_resume http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8e7191d 2011-06-18 06:50 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: udc http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6960c45 2011-06-18 06:50 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/7968eee 2011-06-18 06:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Merge branch 'jz-2.6.38' of projects.qi-hardware.com:qi-kernel into ben-wpan http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/fb18b4e 2011-06-18 06:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230.c: synchronized with latest changes from linux-zigbee http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8651503 2011-06-18 09:42 anybody wanting to look over the slashdot article draft?   2011-06-18 09:43 want to submit it today, maybe in the next hour(s) 2011-06-18 10:15 wpwrak: hey 2011-06-18 10:15 everybody still asleep?  here is the slashdot article draft after the last round of updates: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Slashdot-20110615-benwpan#NanoNote_Goes_Wireless_v2 2011-06-18 10:17 dvdk: looks nice for me, through there may be some confusion about the SD slot (i.e. it isn't SDIO, as one may suppose) 2011-06-18 10:18 whitequark: it does say neighet slot nor usb, just 'dongles'  let people figer out out through werner's page 2011-06-18 10:23 dvdk: oh. just noticed the v2 part 2011-06-18 10:25 and another round of changes... 2011-06-18 10:33 ...done 2011-06-18 10:34 wpwrak: ping 2011-06-18 10:36 which slashdot section to post it to:  'wireless' instead of 'hardware' this time? 2011-06-18 10:37 no, there isn't wireless, only 'mobile' 2011-06-18 10:54 no objections? going to post it now 2011-06-18 10:58 here it is : http://hardware.slashdot.org/submission/1658610/NanoNote-goes-Wireless 2011-06-18 10:59 if you like, it click on '+' and mark the matching tags ('interesting' etc.) 2011-06-18 11:50 dvdk: sound very good. thanks ! +'ed :) 2011-06-18 12:00 mornging werner 2011-06-18 12:04 dvdk: we still haven't made heise.de. pretty much all the other news outlets have carried it, though. i wonder if tuxbrain has been interviewed by playboy yet :) 2011-06-18 12:04 wpwrak: where is the submit button on heise? :) 2011-06-18 12:05 starts searching for the heise.de submit button 2011-06-18 12:05 dvdk: at the bottom of the newsticker: "Fehlt eine wichtige Nachricht? Geben Sie uns Bescheid!" (a mail link) 2011-06-18 12:05 dvdk: newstips@heise.de 2011-06-18 12:07 doesn't show here. maybe only if logged in? 2011-06-18 12:08 ah, found.   2011-06-18 16:04 hi QIots :oO 2011-06-18 16:08 zzzz... 2011-06-18 16:21 stupid question from me: 2011-06-18 16:22 What happens, if I run Linux without swap (neither partition nor file), and memory is full used? 2011-06-18 16:22 I mean, what happens, if a programm tries to start, but there ain't enough memory anymore AND Linux can't swap? 2011-06-18 16:22 does it hang, or does the programm simmply not start? 2011-06-18 16:39 fusin: as far as i know, at this point oom (out of memory) killer will come to stage and try to find the candidate application to kill 2011-06-18 16:40 wouldn't it be better to 'pop' a message saying "Out of memry" ? 2011-06-18 16:46 most of the time, this is exactly what happens 2011-06-18 16:46 aah ;) 2011-06-18 16:46 your program terminates with an oom message 2011-06-18 16:46 fine() 2011-06-18 16:48 my idea is: using my laptop with SSD, and as those are 1:expensive and 2: not too bog (as HD), I dislike to know that I spend space for swap, if it's not really neaded. 2011-06-18 16:49 Especialy as too many rewrites kill the SSD 2011-06-18 16:49 maybe try to live without swap for some time and see how it works 2011-06-18 16:49 So far I can see for now, my Laptop don't even use full 2GB of memory, so why should I block 2GB of HD-space? 2011-06-18 16:50 that's fair 2011-06-18 16:50 well, that's exactly what I do since I installed this new Laptop 2011-06-18 16:50 If I see it well worked, I will move to an SSD drive 2011-06-18 16:50 as they use less battery power 2011-06-18 16:51 and I do not really need a drive bigger as 16 or 32Gig 2011-06-18 16:51 ;) 2011-06-18 16:52 swap is also used for suspend-to-ram 2011-06-18 16:54 never used suspend to ram. I mostly suspend to disc OR shutdown fully. 2011-06-18 16:54 I could of course also live without 'suspend'. 2011-06-18 16:55 our NanoNote does not suspend either, isn't it? :D 2011-06-18 17:11 brace for impact! 2011-06-18 17:12 the /. submission was just copied into the 'stories' category so I guess it'll appear on the frontpage anytime soon 2011-06-18 17:12 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/06/18/173257/NanoNote-Goes-Wireless 2011-06-18 17:19 dvdk: there are 3 items i wanted to report about ase, while you are here: 1) It is not possible to select any tool from dropdown menu of toolbox (try selecting elipse tool?) 2) ase terminates (not segfault) when trying to save a file 3) some shortcuts are not working, like Ctrl+N, Ctrl+O 2011-06-18 17:20 http://en.ingenic.cn/product.aspx?ID=78 2011-06-18 17:20 oh, "GPS BB Controller" 2011-06-18 17:23 so i just need to plug a gps frontend as it seems have input for clk, sig and mag :-) 2011-06-18 17:25 kyak: are you using ase with the latest liballegro?  i fixed a few keyboard issues with allegro  that kept ase from working. 2011-06-18 17:25 anyway thanks for the report 2011-06-18 17:26 going to look into it 2011-06-18 17:26 (as soon as you confirm that all bits are up-to-date in your NN) 2011-06-18 17:27 yeah, "Nanonote goes Wireless" sighted on slashdot.org front page 2011-06-18 17:29 I think slashdot really is the wrong audience 2011-06-18 17:29 the actual tinkeres seem to have left it years ago 2011-06-18 17:29 *tinkerers 2011-06-18 17:31 xMff: looks like it.  though i hope that slashdot_commenters != slashdot_readers 2011-06-18 17:33 maybe the wrong interpretation.   2011-06-18 17:34 slashdot has lots of readers, so the message is going to get to the tinkerers who understand what we're doing, although the number of readers missing our message will be relatively high. 2011-06-18 17:39 problem is they talk it down 2011-06-18 17:39 which drives away potentially interested people 2011-06-18 17:41 xMff: wait for the moderation.   2011-06-18 17:42 xMff: i think the kind of people who buy these tinker toys won't give a shit for these iphone/apple fanboys' rants 2011-06-18 17:42 probably 2011-06-18 17:42 but its saddening anyway 2011-06-18 17:42 xMff: yeah totally, it makes me consider closing down my /. account and never look back. 2011-06-18 17:43 and this isn't the first of its kind, the last slashdot article was similar 2011-06-18 17:45 ... and if i never waste my time reading slashdot again, i think something positive has come out of it anyways :) 2011-06-18 17:47 not yet slashdotted :) 2011-06-18 17:48 The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.trunk-full_system-06172011-1415/ 2011-06-18 17:49 kyak: hmm, did i accidentally kill the ctrl key in ASE?  made it to ignore Fn (lcontrol), only taking rcontrol 2011-06-18 18:01 wow slashdot, sweet 2011-06-18 18:02 :-) 2011-06-18 18:02 slashdot readers are no geeks anymore 2011-06-18 18:03 they just follow mainstream (iPone/Android etc.pp) 2011-06-18 18:03 maybe real geeks read lwn 2011-06-18 18:03 hi bt 2011-06-18 18:03 *hi btw 2011-06-18 18:03 ;) 2011-06-18 18:03 real geeks don't read :-þ 2011-06-18 18:04 they read....source code 2011-06-18 18:04 they peek & poke (as we said in good old c64 times) :-D 2011-06-18 18:04 like kernel maintainers 2011-06-18 18:05 my swapless-times doing well since 2 days now 2011-06-18 18:05 Yeah slashdot has gone abit commercial, but still has the occasional "I built a cpu from ten cans of coke" 2011-06-18 18:05 still not more than 40% use of memory (no swap) 2011-06-18 18:06 Btw, did anyone read the funny bumblebee commit message? 2011-06-18 18:07 https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6 2011-06-18 18:07 OS is LMDE 64bit and I run Wine, and inside Wine an app based on Tcl/Tk, alongside with this XChat ans a FF4 running all the time... 2011-06-18 18:08 lmde? 2011-06-18 18:08 ah, linux mint 2011-06-18 18:09 yep, nice one 2011-06-18 19:00 wow, so many asshole comments on slashdot 2011-06-18 19:04 not even interesting to read those 2011-06-18 19:10 who cares about /. 2011-06-18 19:10 its not 1999 anymore *scnr* 2011-06-18 19:33 lekernel: isn't that's what /. is about ? ;) 2011-06-18 19:33 roh, so what media would you recommend instead? 2011-06-18 20:28 lekernel: LWN seems to work rather nicely. even made it all the way from there to the wall street journal: http://onespot.wsj.com/gadgets/2011/06/17/0c4f0/qi-hardware-makes-open-source-wireless 2011-06-18 20:28 lekernel: (as a repost, not as an article. but still.) 2011-06-18 20:51 yeah, lots of reposts 2011-06-18 20:51 i'm curious about if this moved some sales 2011-06-18 21:22 rejon: indeed. tuxbrain is very quiet. i wonder if he's busy shipping boards by the container :) 2011-06-18 21:22 :) 2011-06-18 21:22 hopefully 2011-06-18 21:23 rejon: some sales should also end up at sharism. alas, wolfgang doesn't have wpan boards to sell yet. so this will cause a but if confusion. 2011-06-18 22:52 wpwrak: I wonder if they'll find the 113~ units in a container ;-D 2011-06-18 22:53 if you're not using a huge box to package them, they possibly will drop thru a hole and an empty container arrives 2011-06-18 23:00 DocScrutinizer: maybe tuxbrain is busy finding suitable packaging material ;-) 2011-06-18 23:00 DocScrutinizer: or maybe he's negotiating the next 100 kunits order :) 2011-06-18 23:03 hehe 2011-06-18 23:04 DocScrutinizer: well, if there's a lot of demand, he should be able to make another ~400 units fairly quickly. he had ordered ~500 PCBs for each (almost the same price as ~100 pieces), and ordering new components should take something like 2-3 days. 2011-06-18 23:04 or he's trying to sell a single unit rather than seeing the 100k getting produced by the potential customer 2011-06-18 23:05 DocScrutinizer: that's another possibility. he has already sold at least 6 atusb, though :) 2011-06-18 23:06 you'd have to compete in savings made from your already established process, compared to the savings for customer when doing it on their own 2011-06-18 23:06 well, the "good" customers think like this 2011-06-18 23:06 you'd also compete on setup time til shipment 2011-06-18 23:06 the "bad" ones (the majority) compare prices to mass-produced vaguely similar products 2011-06-18 23:07 there are none 2011-06-18 23:07 which all but the most stupid "bad customers" have to appreciate 2011-06-18 23:07 oh, Wifi USB dongles :) i said "vaguely" 2011-06-18 23:07 sure 2011-06-18 23:08 sb interested in atusb is particularly interested in free wireless, otherwise goes for dirt cheap WiFi 2011-06-18 23:08 i don't think we can convince many people who think like this. a few may not understand the price and feel they're being cheated. we may be able t reach these. 2011-06-18 23:08 but the ones who will always go cheapest, no way 2011-06-18 23:09 we also have a captive customer base with the ben (-:C 2011-06-18 23:09 oh, is it a large customer base? will it develop momentum? 2011-06-18 23:10 ~1200-1300 units sold, each a potential atben user. we'll see how the pickup is. 2011-06-18 23:11 that's decent 2011-06-18 23:11 you explicitly adverised ben-free atusb-only setup too? 2011-06-18 23:12 (if that works at all - I gather it should) 2011-06-18 23:24 preparing my abstract for FISL 12: any comments ? http://pastebin.com/Ek53EAJ6 2011-06-18 23:25 i didn't put things like GPS, HopeRF, or the ben cases/bags in the abstract, but i'll mention them in the presentation. 2011-06-18 23:26 or, and ubb and ubb-vga as well, of course :) 2011-06-18 23:36 s/or/oh/ 2011-06-18 23:39 looks good, is an abstract after all :-) 2011-06-18 23:40 hmm. that's better ? "Copyleft Hardware", like "Free Software", or rather "copyleft hardware", like it's used on qi-hardware.com ? 2011-06-18 23:40 where's wolfgang when we need him ? :) 2011-06-18 23:40 kristianpaul: yeah, it can only get better in the presentation ;-) 2011-06-18 23:41 copyleft hardware is a movement 2011-06-18 23:41 not sure if like free software movement... but i think freedom stack can inlustrate a bit the situation 2011-06-18 23:42 "Free Software" is also used to describe the characteristics of a piece of software 2011-06-18 23:45 hmm Copyleft Hardware? 2011-06-18 23:46 made a copy from his Ben, but that stupid picture wont boot. 2011-06-18 23:47 I gues some errors in bootcode :-þ 2011-06-18 23:47 Fusin: you're booting _pictures_ ? :) 2011-06-18 23:48 checks if that last nap didn't take a few decades longer than planned, and the world has changed quite radically 2011-06-18 23:54 well, others boot images 2011-06-18 23:54 not much of a difference ;) 2011-06-18 23:54 lol 2011-06-18 23:56 wpwrak: your slides are going to be presende from the nanonote? 2011-06-18 23:57 kristianpaul: i hope i'll manage that. i think i need to make a more solid ubb-vga board first, though. and i'll have to work on the timing. 2011-06-18 23:57 kristianpaul: and yes, i'll have a laptop with me, just in case ... :) 2011-06-18 23:57 larsc: touché 2011-06-18 23:57 :D