2011-06-16 00:03 here around .25EUR! 2011-06-16 00:03 $20 - and making noises of price rises 2011-06-16 00:04 lol, here too. You know, losing **dirt cheap** nuke power 2011-06-16 00:05 some independent experts say in ~4 years we're better off *without* nuke powerplants 2011-06-16 00:05 just for the energy costs 2011-06-16 00:14 DocScrutinizer: (.25 EUR) wow. 2011-06-16 00:14 yoh 2011-06-16 00:15 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10114?sort=0 +/- hehe - wonder if I should pierce it and throw into water 2011-06-16 00:15 here it's subsidized. the real price would be ~0.04 EUR 2011-06-16 00:17 http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.public is probably better to pick a pic you like, like that one: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10125 2011-06-16 00:18 DocScrutinizer: water sounds good :) 2011-06-16 00:46 DocScrutinizer: I was playing with that chinese card and found an interesting glitch: if I set up netcat to send zeros over udp (feeding from 100M ethernet), that card easily sends/receives more than 92 Mbits of traffic in each direction 2011-06-16 00:46 [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: straighten out RX vs. TX synchronization http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/5b8a926 2011-06-16 00:46 but if I touch it, or even the usb cable, the bitrate instantly falls to under 1Mbit 2011-06-16 00:48 why that may happen? I don't see how touching the USB cable may affect the card itself 2011-06-16 00:50 whitequark: which card? 2011-06-16 00:51 DocScrutinizer: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/35405 2011-06-16 00:51 contains Ralink RT3070L and a custom 1W ASIC amplifier 2011-06-16 00:51 DocScrutinizer: his 1 W WLAN ghettoblaster ;-) (designed by the chinese from the dirty side of town) 2011-06-16 00:51 hah 2011-06-16 00:52 of course the card and usb cable are part of the antenna 2011-06-16 00:52 huh?! 2011-06-16 00:52 the _USB_cable_ is a part of antenna? 2011-06-16 00:52 rejon: (wiki sections) pheew. manana. already too much word-wrestling for today :) 2011-06-16 00:52 there's no such thing like single-ended antennae - it's always a dipole of one kind or another 2011-06-16 00:53 that's what nobody really got when I explained where buzz of GTA02 came from 2011-06-16 00:55 so then, the antenna, card itself, my netbook, me, on whom the netbook lies, form one great kind of antenna? 2011-06-16 00:55 weird 2011-06-16 00:55 as there's no battery wit just one pole, there's no transmitter with just one antenna pin. It's always a balanced output, and if you don't use a symmetrical dipole for antenna, you connect one of both ends to "GND", whatever that means 2011-06-16 00:55 whitequark: yes 2011-06-16 00:56 ... and the wireless performance will then depend on USB cable quality? 2011-06-16 00:56 and length 2011-06-16 00:57 and thickness 2011-06-16 00:57 partially, yes 2011-06-16 00:58 whitequark: and exact distance to the moon ;-) 2011-06-16 00:58 you can see what things really are like when you look at large groundplane marconi radiators 2011-06-16 00:59 http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14182/img/14182_212_2.jpg 2011-06-16 01:00 then, the whole idea of wifi dongle is flawed fundamentally 2011-06-16 01:02 nah, why? 2011-06-16 01:02 whitequark: your laptop is your ground plane 2011-06-16 01:02 usually your real gndplane of the circuit forms the gndplane for the antenna 2011-06-16 01:02 well, you'll then never get good performance without proper grounding, and you'll never get one when plugging into some unknown laptop 2011-06-16 01:03 or am I wrong here? 2011-06-16 01:03 whitequark: your laptop will have quite a lot of ground :) 2011-06-16 01:03 the size of active gndplane is hardly larger than the antenna itself 2011-06-16 01:04 DocScrutinizer: hmm, TI claim that the size of the box you connect to matters (in their description of the PCB antenna i used) 2011-06-16 01:04 the virtual antenna size though, or simply the wavelength 2011-06-16 01:05 everything >2 or >3 lambda is irrelevant 2011-06-16 01:05 the dongle itself is about 80mm in length, while the wavelength is 125mm 2011-06-16 01:05 :nod: 2011-06-16 01:06 so the ground via USB will matter 2011-06-16 01:06 as you see with your ghettoblaster ;-) 2011-06-16 01:06 o/ 2011-06-16 01:06 needs some food 2011-06-16 01:16 whitequark: placing the dongle on a steel table or tin foil may help a lot for performance 2011-06-16 01:17 should extend from footpoint of antenna all directions at last one wavelength 2011-06-16 01:18 of course horizontally, while antenna vertical 2011-06-16 01:18 I should make a tin foil hat probably 2011-06-16 01:20 I actually knew a guy who mounted his CB car lambda-5/8 on a copper dish of lambda/2 diameter and placed that contraption at his attic 2011-06-16 01:20 he claimed it to be the best antenna for 27MHz he ever had 2011-06-16 01:21 is testing the tin foil thing 2011-06-16 01:24 That's a lot of copper 2011-06-16 01:27 hmm, looks like my testing method (nc -u server 1000 ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available 2011-06-16 01:28 never seen anything like that 2011-06-16 01:30 DocScrutinizer: placing it on a quite large sheet of tin foil actually halves the bandwidth 2011-06-16 01:35 wpwrak, cool 2011-06-16 01:42 wpwrak, how to use http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/eda-tools/source/tree/master/fab/gerb2pbm ? 2011-06-16 01:43 wpwrak, i meant syntax in command line. :-) 2011-06-16 01:56 Â Â 2011-06-16 01:56 whitequark: then the antenna of that device might be tuned to have no such classic gnd 2011-06-16 01:57 the problem probably is you make the antenna better with that gndplane, but same time you detune it, so it's a better antenna for the wrong frequency 2011-06-16 01:58 there's also some network stack (?) issue 2011-06-16 01:59 SpeedEvil: (lot of copper) indeed ;-P 2011-06-16 01:59 when I do the udp-flooding from Ethernet side of router, the card receives 93Mbps without any problems 2011-06-16 01:59 but when I do the same from the wifi side, it chokes just on the laptop 2011-06-16 02:00 tcp works fine, but the bandwidth is around 40Mbps 2011-06-16 02:06 wpwrak, and is "(set-render-type! 2)" a 'Normal' or 'High quality' type? 2011-06-16 02:20 Hi all, I have read that the project atben is not wifi because there is not a real libre 802.11 hardware. Is this true? 2011-06-16 02:20 I use my wifi with free drivers... 2011-06-16 02:29 It's not that simple. 2011-06-16 02:30 antoni`: if I remember correctly from a discussion earlier tonight, the problem is that there is no hw with public specs that is suitable for mobile devices 2011-06-16 02:30 The firmware is invariably closed 2011-06-16 02:30 Well - almost invariably. 2011-06-16 02:30 And the ones that are open or reverse engineered are not suitable. 2011-06-16 02:30 if you're interested in the details, please check the logs, they're online at the Qi site 2011-06-16 02:33 well.. i think its many factors. one is documentation available, but also chip availability, power useage etc. 2011-06-16 02:34 Selection is fun! 2011-06-16 04:49 o/ roh 2011-06-16 06:12 The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06152011-0855/ 2011-06-16 06:15 invented another nice term (along with and same semantic cloud as "to tepco")Â Â >>man, are you poettering?!" 2011-06-16 06:17 'sth. is poettering' means 'it behaves invasive, destructive, and generally in an unpleasant pathological erratic way' 2011-06-16 06:18 this cancer is extremely poettering 2011-06-16 06:38 aw: gerb2ppm input.pho output.pbm 2011-06-16 06:38 aw: (warning) this one generates bitmaps, not those nice images. it's meant to be used as a building block in the future 2011-06-16 06:39 wpwrak, hi thanks, how about mixing them together when using 'Normal' & 'High quality' and gerb2ppm can also do it? 2011-06-16 06:41 wpwrak, strange. I found your time is 3:40 in Buenos Aires? 2011-06-16 06:42 aw: (type 2) is should be "high quality", but i think gerbv more or less ignores that argument 2011-06-16 06:44 wpwrak, okay... so do i need to re-git clone your eda tool? or just download that 'gerb2ppm'? 2011-06-16 06:45 aw: if you want to make the high quality images, you're need a different script. gerb2ppm is intended as a building block for future use. (i don't like how gerbv mixes the colors - you can get nice results, but it's very hard to get it right) 2011-06-16 06:46 aw: the script that does nice gerbers for M1 would be http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/eda-tools/source/tree/master/fab/m1/prettygerbv 2011-06-16 06:47 aw: (i.e., altium) for kicad, it's http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/eda-tools/source/tree/master/fab/prettygerbv 2011-06-16 06:47 aw: (3:40) yup. had a quick nap before. woke up and decided to have a look for what's going on in the world :) 2011-06-16 06:49 wpwrak, yes, i saw that great one. :-) so that 'prettygerbv' also is done by 'gerb2ppm' or not the same one. or it specifically for altium m1? sorry i repeat it. :-) 2011-06-16 06:50 wpwrak, yeah...very late there. :-) 2011-06-16 06:50 aw: the one in fab/ is for kicad. the one in fab/m1/ is for altium. 2011-06-16 06:52 wpwrak, okay. got it, thanks. u should be asleep now. :-) 2011-06-16 06:52 yeah, will be soon :) 2011-06-16 06:54 (very late) nah, very early 2011-06-16 06:57 here it's even more late, or less early (but somewhat still too early in the morning) 2011-06-16 06:57 DocScrutinizer, hi, very later = very early; east = west. :-) 2011-06-16 06:57 hehe 2011-06-16 06:58 and at 180Â° lon one step can cost you a whole day 2011-06-16 07:00 funny thing, they seem to have managed it in a way this date-limit hits amazingly few solid ground 2011-06-16 07:03 from 65Â°-69Â°N there's a bit where you actually can walk across the line 2011-06-16 07:10 DocScrutinizer: are you sure ? seems to avoid land quite consistently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_line 2011-06-16 07:11 yes, I know it does this for tuvalu etc or the like, alas marble doesn't show the real data-limit 2011-06-16 07:11 date-line 2011-06-16 07:11 so I had to go for 180Â° 2011-06-16 07:13 yay, confusing 2011-06-16 07:22 haha, ships heading eastward are going from east to west 2011-06-16 08:03 does anyone know that what s/w i need to install when i get "pgmtopbm: not found"? 2011-06-16 08:03 netpbm 2011-06-16 08:07 kyak, great. tks. my problems solved. :-) 2011-06-16 09:47 :) 2011-06-16 09:47 dvdk: hi! 2011-06-16 09:47 moring. 2011-06-16 09:47 btw what causes these 'has been looking for' messages emitted by the bot? 2011-06-16 09:48 i've tried the ase editor keymouse, it works almost great 2011-06-16 09:48 did you see the segfault? 2011-06-16 09:48 the bot just informs you because i did "!seen dvdk" 2011-06-16 09:48 this is what i thought.Â Â ok. 2011-06-16 09:48 no, i didn't see the segfault, but sometimes arrow keys are "leaked" to main interface 2011-06-16 09:49 kyak: arrow keys always leak to the main interface :) 2011-06-16 09:49 and then it feels the same as when using keymouse, because keys start to control menus 2011-06-16 09:49 kyak: which parts?Â Â the menu?Â Â maybe we need to tweek usr share gui.xml further. 2011-06-16 09:49 ah, ok, the menu.Â Â yes having a look at it. 2011-06-16 09:49 i guess the sefaults come from excessive layer switching which was previously bound to Up/Down 2011-06-16 09:50 i only used it to draw a couple of lines, but didn't see the segfault (yet?) 2011-06-16 09:50 kyak: if you see it, remember what keys you pressed.Â Â need to find out how to reproduce it so i can backtrace it with gdb 2011-06-16 09:51 i'll try to 2011-06-16 09:51 kyak: btw you know any details about our version of freetype? 2011-06-16 09:51 because ase has its own copy of freetype included with the sources. 2011-06-16 09:51 is our version better?Â Â i.e. tweaked for the ben's special display? 2011-06-16 09:51 hm.. i don't know anything special about our version 2011-06-16 09:52 it's a complete stock, not a single patch 2011-06-16 09:52 hmm, menu key bindings seem to be hardcoded. 2011-06-16 09:52 need another patch 2011-06-16 09:56 i wonder why it looks so good even with this tiny icons/fonts 2011-06-16 09:56 it feels like a fully-functional window even that it is 320x240 2011-06-16 09:57 kyak: on the PC you can run ASE with 'scaling' i.e. 320x240 pixels scaled to 640x480 or larger.Â Â so this is really old-school :) 2011-06-16 09:58 heh :) 2011-06-16 09:59 ok, patching the menu to use Shift+Arrow keys for menu navigation 2011-06-16 09:59 anyplace else where "leaking" of arrow keys is a problem? 2011-06-16 10:01 (but you don't have to run ase at 320x240 scaled, looks like the pc version supports many resolutions) 2011-06-16 10:01 yeah, when hovering on some icon to the right (for example, to select line tool) 2011-06-16 10:01 there is an expansion menu, and then keys leak 2011-06-16 10:01 kyak: you mean the tool box also consumes arrow keys? 2011-06-16 10:01 yep 2011-06-16 10:01 trying to find it .Â Â maybe a std listbox 2011-06-16 10:01 ? 2011-06-16 10:03 it's here: 2011-06-16 10:03 but there are no shortcuts for arrows 2011-06-16 10:04 kyak: i think i can reproduce it by "clicking'" onto the pencil tool 2011-06-16 10:04 this opens a sub-menu that vanishes as soon as i press arrow 2011-06-16 10:04 that's right 2011-06-16 10:05 hmm, checking for shift doesn't seem to work 2011-06-16 10:05 oopsk checking with | (or) is the wrong way :) 2011-06-16 10:11 ah, so you doing it in sourse 2011-06-16 10:11 i thought you were playing with gui.xml :) 2011-06-16 10:12 kyak: already hacked the gui.xml, but it does not cover the internal menu stuff 2011-06-16 10:12 btw did you look at the code?Â Â they've done their own menu system.Â Â which looks _really_ neat.Â Â using xml to describe menus etc. 2011-06-16 10:13 yes, i noticed that extensive declaration of menu in gui.xml 2011-06-16 10:13 and then they copied the look and feel of Gtk without using any code from gtk :) 2011-06-16 10:14 and, their implementation is much faster 2011-06-16 10:15 btw, i'm disappointed by gtk again, since they dropped directfb support from gtk3 and somewhat heavilty broken it in gtk2 > 2.17 2011-06-16 10:16 then it's only qt, sdl and ..liballegro :) 2011-06-16 10:21 what gui lib were you guys talking about? 2011-06-16 10:21 also, dvdk, how dare you use "neat" and "xml" on the same line?! 2011-06-16 10:21 :P 2011-06-16 10:22 kyak: but how are they going to run gtk with wayland? 2011-06-16 10:23 dvdk: it will work with wayland 2011-06-16 10:23 does it have anything to do with directfb? 2011-06-16 10:23 bartbes: it's liballegro 2011-06-16 10:40 kyak: thought gtk would draw on wayland via directfb 2011-06-16 10:40 which api does it use instead?Â Â can we support that on the NN? 2011-06-16 10:42 i think gtk3 will support both X11 and Wayland 2011-06-16 10:44 can we make wayland run on directfb? :) 2011-06-16 10:47 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: ase: improved keyboard-mouse support: filter out arrow keys unless shift pressed http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/33f9a73 2011-06-16 10:47 kyak: think i got it.Â Â just filtering out all arrow messages at the lowest level 2011-06-16 10:48 now maybe we also need mouse wheel emulation?Â Â haven't found out how to scroll via the keyboard yet 2011-06-16 10:48 is it actually used? 2011-06-16 10:48 it could be done via Volume keys :) 2011-06-16 10:50 btw there's no pgup/pgdown on the nanonote?Â Â Red+volup/down doesnt seem to work 2011-06-16 10:51 where did you try it? 2011-06-16 10:51 for example console scrolling 2011-06-16 10:52 (shift+pgup/pgdown) 2011-06-16 10:52 this works for control scrolling 2011-06-16 10:52 try shift+volume keys 2011-06-16 10:52 you mean without red? 2011-06-16 10:53 btw how do i exit from showkeys?Â Â reboot? 2011-06-16 10:53 ah, eventually exuited 2011-06-16 10:53 (but console unusable now :/ 2011-06-16 10:53 sure, without red 2011-06-16 10:53 but i can scroll. nice 2011-06-16 10:53 didnt know 2011-06-16 10:53 you don't want to press three keys to scroll the console, do you? :) 2011-06-16 10:54 to exit the showkeys you just do nothing for 10 sec.. unfortunately, this console is ruined anyway :) 2011-06-16 10:54 trying ase now 2011-06-16 10:54 (always want to say "Arse") :) 2011-06-16 10:55 me too :) 2011-06-16 10:55 it's great! 2011-06-16 10:56 you disabled the arrows completely, right? 2011-06-16 10:56 causes some inconvenience on dialogs 2011-06-16 10:56 but it's ok 2011-06-16 10:56 no, you arrow events are let through if combined with 'shift' 2011-06-16 10:56 ah ok 2011-06-16 10:57 so anytime i want a keyboard arrow, i'll press the shift+arrow 2011-06-16 10:57 yes, but the shift will get through, too.Â Â don't see a problem though 2011-06-16 10:57 you made pointer acceleration good, it feels right :) 2011-06-16 10:58 kyak: it's a physics engine :) 2011-06-16 10:58 i can draw shit on Ben now 2011-06-16 10:58 (i.e. accelerated motion with kind of drag) 2011-06-16 10:59 do you mean you used the liballegro physical engine for that? 2011-06-16 10:59 :) nope, liballegro is too oldschool to have physics.Â Â just look at the patch to see what i mean 'ak' is acceleration on keypress 'ad' acceleration due to drag, when not pressed 2011-06-16 11:00 so if you're quick you can even draw rounded shapes 2011-06-16 11:03 that's pretty hard :) i fear i'll break the keypad 2011-06-16 11:03 maybe reduce the acceleration? :) 2011-06-16 11:04 good it's fast liek hell... 2011-06-16 11:04 i'm not sure, perhaps the cursor should have some inertia? 2011-06-16 11:05 this way one could draw round shapes 2011-06-16 11:05 but it has inertia.Â Â this is why it accelerates with a != infinity :) 2011-06-16 11:05 (but a is too close to infinity currently? 2011-06-16 11:06 what you mean is maybe drag is too high (i.e. deceleration when you released the key) 2011-06-16 11:06 perhaps the deceleration is too fast 2011-06-16 11:06 i.e. it stops momentarily 2011-06-16 11:07 just reduce 'ad', try 1 or 2 2011-06-16 11:07 (just patch the patch :) 2011-06-16 11:07 i'll try that 2011-06-16 11:08 dvdk: are you aware about other liballegro apps? 2011-06-16 11:09 there are not too many good games, i'm afraid :(Â Â 2011-06-16 11:09 ah, http://www.allegro.cc/ 2011-06-16 11:09 already hacked a version of vertigo flight simulator to work at 320x240 2011-06-16 11:09 http://sourceforge.net/projects/vertigo/develop 2011-06-16 11:09 but it's really old stuff 2011-06-16 11:09 i'm not so interested in games.. It's more interesting what kind of other fast apps can be there 2011-06-16 11:10 there's an editor, FED, but it's a little broken with allegro 4.Â Â also not too good. 2011-06-16 11:10 the allegro itself seems to be in development. Why is that? 2011-06-16 11:10 ah, already eying the multiamp multimedia player written in allegro 2011-06-16 11:10 with mod/xm/mid/ogg playback 2011-06-16 11:10 also very old, might need work 2011-06-16 11:11 http://www.allegro.cc/depot/utility/listing :) 2011-06-16 11:11 sorry, that link is wrong 2011-06-16 11:11 kyak: know allegro.cc but you cannot sort by : - screen resolution - open source licensing.Â Â so it's a little useless 2011-06-16 11:12 ah, found out how to scroll: middle mouse button (F2) plus arrows 2011-06-16 11:12 yeah, probably.. 2011-06-16 11:12 this is the patched flight simulator 2011-06-16 11:12 http://sourceforge.net/projects/vertigo-fs/develop 2011-06-16 11:12 how do you use scrolling? 2011-06-16 11:13 kyak: for moving arounud in larger images 2011-06-16 11:13 look at the key manual: ASE can do a lot: http://aseprite.com/quickref-0.8.1.pdf 2011-06-16 11:13 (just updated the link in the applications wiki page) 2011-06-16 11:14 all right, i'll have a look 2011-06-16 11:14 oops, pressing Fn+2 crashes 2011-06-16 11:15 looks like the NN's number keys cannot be used for zooming?Â Â hmm, do they generate keypad codes? 2011-06-16 11:15 hah, ad=1 turns pointer uncontrollable, feels like mario :) 2011-06-16 11:15 might set to something higher 2011-06-16 11:17 (like mario): ROFL 2011-06-16 11:17 looks like zooming is impossible without mouse wheel nor number keys 2011-06-16 11:17 any physical key generates some code, and then a modifier can be applied (like "fn" in case of Ben's numbers) 2011-06-16 11:18 Pressing Fn+1 is interpreted as Alt+N.Â Â maybe allegro's keyboard driver is too low-level? 2011-06-16 11:18 it probably uses it's own keyboard driver 2011-06-16 11:18 yes, it certainly is,Â Â it uses sort of scan codes (maybe input events), that are then put into messages by the 'jinete' gui system that comes with ASE 2011-06-16 11:19 OUCH 2011-06-16 11:19 that means: more hacking 2011-06-16 11:19 yes, i cannot write numbers in ase's text input fields 2011-06-16 11:20 will have to look at allegro'skey driver.Â Â different layouts can be configuerd 2011-06-16 11:20 yeah, i noticed it has it's layouts 2011-06-16 11:21 i tried selecting Russian, but nothing happened :) 2011-06-16 11:21 but thought those aren't used with unix, only with the dos port 2011-06-16 11:21 maybe something else going on 2011-06-16 11:22 ah, allegro source lkeybd.c 2011-06-16 11:22 it maps 2011-06-16 11:23 0x02 to key_1, isn't that supposed to be right? 2011-06-16 11:24 maybe it fails because 'alt' is pressed.Â Â why does 'fn' map to alt?? 2011-06-16 11:24 shoudln't Fn be hidden completely? 2011-06-16 11:25 ok, it even uses kernel's keyboard map:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ioctl (std_keyboard.fd, KDGKBENT, &kbe); 2011-06-16 11:25 but maybe wrongl? 2011-06-16 11:25 looks like it doesn't pass Fn as the right keboard map selector to the ioctl? 2011-06-16 11:26 Fn is mapped to CtrlL 2011-06-16 11:27 ok, where can i find a readable description of NNs keymap? 2011-06-16 11:28 i'm looking it here http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ben-cyrillic/files/ben_ru_uni.map 2011-06-16 11:29 it's the same as default keymap + cyrillic layout 2011-06-16 11:29 oor other question: if allegro correctly handles the shift (maybe altGr) modifier, why does it fail for ctrlL? 2011-06-16 11:30 hmm, allegro sets map=1 for shift, map+=2 for altgr, +=4 for control, +=8 for alt.Â Â isn't that correct? 2011-06-16 11:30 dunno, maybe the allegro_KEY_LCONTROL with keycodes needs to be specifically mapped to numbers 2011-06-16 11:31 yep, that's should be correct, but not complete 2011-06-16 11:31 and the lcontrol keycode for allegro looks right 2011-06-16 11:31 read "man keymaps" COMPLETE KEYCODE DEFINITIONS 2011-06-16 11:32 there is a table of modifiers and their weights 2011-06-16 11:32 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/trunk/target/linux/xburst/patches-2.6.37/500-modifier-keys.patch 2011-06-16 11:32 this is our actual patch for kernel keymap, perhaps less readable 2011-06-16 11:34 4 for cotr is maybe wrong, maybe we needÂ Â (1< looking here: 2011-06-16 11:34 http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/keyboard.h?a=powerpc#L7 2011-06-16 11:34 yes, guess your keymap binds on lcontrol, not control in general 2011-06-16 11:34 what about the 'red' key? 2011-06-16 11:35 red is altgr? that shoul be right 2011-06-16 11:35 yep, Red is AltGr 2011-06-16 11:36 we have th eCtrl already 2011-06-16 11:36 that's why Fn is CtrlL 2011-06-16 11:37 added if (key[__allegro_KEY_LCONTROL]) map |= (1<<6); 2011-06-16 11:37 let's see whether that's better 2011-06-16 11:39 hm 2011-06-16 11:39 i believe weights are powers of two 2011-06-16 11:39 did you have a look at man keymaps? 2011-06-16 11:40 CtrlL is 64 2011-06-16 11:40 no it's not about weights, it's about the 'map' value used by KDGKBENT? 2011-06-16 11:40 1<<6 is 64!? 2011-06-16 11:41 but i just had 4 + 1<<6 and it didn't work.Â Â recompiling without the 4 (ctrl) 2011-06-16 11:41 uh.. ok :) 2011-06-16 11:41 well it did work in that fn+1 etc is ignored 2011-06-16 11:41 completely 2011-06-16 11:42 cool, now i can enter numbers in dialogs!! 2011-06-16 11:43 but it interprets Fn+1 as Ctrl+1 i guess 2011-06-16 11:43 (?) 2011-06-16 11:43 as it doesn't zoom but instead split the screen 2011-06-16 11:44 maybe keymap out of date 2011-06-16 11:45 yeah, it's what i though-: 2011-06-16 11:45 t 2011-06-16 11:45 Â Â Â Â Â Â 2011-06-16 11:45 so it sees the ctrl 2011-06-16 11:45 this is another problem with the custom gui.Â Â they just get the modifiers separately from the scancodes 2011-06-16 11:47 the volume keys map to what exactly?Â Â F14/F15 2011-06-16 11:47 ? 2011-06-16 11:48 will try to make them work as zoom keys 2011-06-16 11:49 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: liballegro: fix keyboard driver issues with nanonote's Fn key http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/47a2f3f 2011-06-16 11:50 dvdk: btw, regarding wayland on fb, don't think so, one of the primary features of wayland is more direct access to opengl etc, also, doesn't wayland depend on stuff like KMS? 2011-06-16 11:50 dvdk: uh? 4 + (1<<6) ? 2011-06-16 11:50 probably you mean (4+1)<<6 ? 2011-06-16 11:51 DocScrutinizer: I think he means 68, so that would be 4 + (1<<6) 2011-06-16 11:52 hmm, anyway I'd write that as 1<<6 + 4 then 2011-06-16 11:54 dvdk: they should be F11/F12 2011-06-16 15:46 oh, today is thursday. funny. thought it was already friday. my inner calendar is really messed up :) 2011-06-16 15:54 tuxbrain_HxxHhzo: nice ... that's actually a valid sequence ;-)) 2011-06-16 18:59 the ASE keycode fixing odyssey continues 2011-06-16 19:00 somebody knows which keycode Fn+Number generates?Â Â Could it be that those generate keyPAD-numbers, not keyBOARD-numbers? 2011-06-16 19:02 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: liballegro: yet another keyboard fix for 'Fn' key. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0244a53 2011-06-16 19:08 dvdk: Fn keys are evil :) 2011-06-16 19:08 dvdk: btw, seems that /. dropped your submission. next try maybe tomorrow ? 2011-06-16 19:30 wpwrak: what about saturday?Â Â maybe less standard news volume.Â Â saturday worked nicely last time (ubb-vga) 2011-06-16 19:30 btw article needs lots of fixing.Â Â don't like how it was changed for technical correctness.Â Â "WIFI spec"?Â Â don't think that normal people are going to know what is meant (?) 2011-06-16 19:31 wpwrak: custom keyboard drivers implemented inside libraries are evil :) 2011-06-16 19:32 dvdk: (sat) sound good too 2011-06-16 19:34 dvdk: (fixing) yeah, could use some streamlining. each word you can delete without changing the meaning is good ;-) 2011-06-16 19:34 dvdk: (custom kbd drivers) hmm, what should i say with all my user-space bit-banging drivers ? :) 2011-06-16 19:35 thinks that the orthography of tuxbrain's WPAN pages needs to be fixed before posting any news. 2011-06-16 19:36 looks over tuxbrain's page and cannot find any errors. already fixed? 2011-06-16 19:36 wpwrak: but liballegro's drivers really implement an extremely productive API 2011-06-16 19:37 just test for stuff like key[KEY_LCONTROL] to see whether a key is currently pressed.Â Â no limits for multiple keypresses (other than what the hardware enforces) 2011-06-16 19:53 dvdk: (tuxbrain's page) the prices i the shop still don't seem to indicate the tax/export status 2011-06-16 19:59 (liballegro) sounds nice :) 2011-06-16 20:10 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: ase: fix handling detection of number keys for zoom, ignore 'Fn' (LCONTROL) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/33eec1c 2011-06-16 20:15 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: liballegro: make the fbcon fixes really water-tight (fix really all cases). http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a82661f 2011-06-16 20:16 hi, I'm getting alot of illegal instructions and segfaults when trying to when trying to running debootstrap in a debian chroot on the nanonote, what could be the reason, problems with the FPU emulator? 2011-06-16 20:36 whoo: hmm, did the last kernel drop FPU emulation support? 2011-06-16 20:39 dvdk: don't think so 2011-06-16 20:40 whooo: i once installed debian via debian-installer in chroot without problems.Â Â very long time ago, though 2011-06-16 20:40 whooo: which debian suite are you using? 2011-06-16 20:40 whooo: setup the chroot correctly?Â Â mounting /proc etc? 2011-06-16 20:41 tried wheezy and sid 2011-06-16 20:41 well, no, not really, let me try it 2011-06-16 20:43 neither proc or sysfs seemed to help, then there is that if I run the command a couple of times, it works 2011-06-16 20:46 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: config.full_system (on trunk): add liballegro, alex4 and ASE (aseprite) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f0b4b19 2011-06-16 20:46 whooo: very strange indeed 2011-06-16 20:48 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: config.full_system (on trunk): enable libdumb, needed by alex4 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a84f7d3 2011-06-16 20:57 whooo: i think you should report your problem to the mailinglist, with a few logs and the correct krnel version.Â Â 2011-06-16 20:57 (uname -a) 2011-06-16 20:58 the issues one? 2011-06-16 20:59 no, just the one (and only :) mailinglist http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion 2011-06-16 20:59 ok 2011-06-16 21:22 rejon: FYI: i added a warning at the beginning of the ben-wpan wiki page that it's still not quite clean 2011-06-16 21:23 wpwrak: just in time, just noticed how full of information the ben_wpan page was and submitted it to ycombinator 2011-06-16 21:23 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2663327 2011-06-16 21:24 ok wpwrak 2011-06-16 21:25 rejon: how do you like my rants ? :-) 2011-06-16 21:25 hahaha, they are great 2011-06-16 21:25 i tried to clean them up :) 2011-06-16 21:25 ah *.163.94 that's you 2011-06-16 21:25 dvdk: yeah, lots of information but also quite a bit of inconsistency. e.g., the "parent-free" meme still floats around. 2011-06-16 21:26 i've been working on this today: http://acawiki.org/AcaWiki:PressRelease-2011-06-16 2011-06-16 21:26 rejon: *grin* 2011-06-16 21:26 '_parent_ free' ? rofl 2011-06-16 21:26 wpwrak: i find this wiki page much better than any /. article could ever be :) 2011-06-16 21:27 should have a rant off between wpwrak and wolfspraul 2011-06-16 21:27 dvdk: err ... that may actually be easier ;-) 2011-06-16 21:27 rejon: (acawiki) sounds like a BIG undertaking :) 2011-06-16 21:28 all worthy projects are :) 2011-06-16 21:28 its contract for fabricatorz 2011-06-16 21:28 but also good project 2011-06-16 21:28