2011-06-14 00:05 and it's over!!!! atben 100% yield , 135 bright and powerful tiny boards tested and filling my head with 2,4GHz waves!!! atusb not bad just 3 down so 117 totally operative (116 if the sugru thing fails) 2011-06-14 00:05 whoohoo !! :) 2011-06-14 00:05 nice. congrats. 2011-06-14 00:07 100% yield for atben makes sense. it's quite simple and has no mechanical components at all. so the yield - if non-zero - should be very high 2011-06-14 00:08 atusb is more complex and has a mechanical component, hence more trouble 2011-06-14 00:08 you mean the usb plug? 2011-06-14 00:11 sugru:report, well now it pas the gpios but the spectrum still as low as before, I will test tomorrow night  to see there is any improvement 2011-06-14 00:11 roh: yup. i was a bit worried about this one. it "snaps" in. far from ideal for SMT. 2011-06-14 00:13 tuxbrain: (sugru) good. so the surface has cured and is no longer conductive. but the core still is. it may still work. this kind of stuff usually cures at ~8 h/mm. 2011-06-14 00:13 wpwrak: yeah, luckly the local smt fab are kind guys and had remove the anoying part of the panel, I'm sure in less considerated fabs, we will have a mess instad of a cool usb plug 2011-06-14 00:14 tuxbrain: you put about 2.5 mm. if we assume that the inside cures much more slowly, due to limited access to air, about 24 h would be the minimum until you can expect useful results 2011-06-14 00:16 ok ok you know wait is not my strong point 2011-06-14 00:16 tuxbrain: (nice smt guys) weren't they in the loop when you discussed panelization with the PCB fab ? i thought they were. well, anyway the way the board was panelized, removing that part was easy. 2011-06-14 00:16 tuxbrain: (wait) it'll cure while you sleep ;-) 2011-06-14 00:17 sleep? what's that? ah! the thing my family does when I'm working 2011-06-14 00:18 they must have enjoyed a few rather restful days :) 2011-06-14 00:19 nah, my family also goes to the park while I'm working, my daughter goes to school while I'm working and my wife also enjoys tv while I'm working.... 2011-06-14 00:20 feels soooo sad 2011-06-14 00:20 so they figured out that it's a bad idea to try to sync with you ;-) 2011-06-14 00:21 why ? were you hoping for a few interesting failures to spend the rest of the night on analyzing ? ;-) 2011-06-14 00:22 nah, this month is specially hard in workload (you also know some of the reasons) and I miss to spend time just sitting in the sofa or listening my daughter theories about live 2011-06-14 00:23 with nothing else in the head 2011-06-14 00:23 that's the worst part, even if I found 5mins to sit down, there is a lot of mess in the head 2011-06-14 00:24 ok a lot money save on psiquiatrics thanks to IRC 2011-06-14 00:25 I think the announce post will be rescheduled for tomorrow at some point, no enough stamina today 2011-06-14 00:26 gonna sync with may family for 4 hours, tomorrow I need to look less an dungeon beast than I look now 2011-06-14 00:26 hehe ;-) 2011-06-14 00:28 the green PASS will haunt your dreams ;-) 2011-06-14 00:28 and the squiggly white snake in the red tunnel 2011-06-14 00:29 aaaaargh no the dancing white line and the green dot!!! aaaaarg 2011-06-14 00:30 tuxbrain_PASS: for the next run, you should try the testing with psychedelic drugs. the repetitiveness and general strangeness of the setting ought to produce interesting effects ;-) 2011-06-14 00:31 mmmm drugs.... so far in time and so ... not  tuxbrain bad boy bad boy, not until june has pass by :P 2011-06-14 00:31 PASS by 2011-06-14 00:32 should add audio indications to the testing process 2011-06-14 00:32 metal please :) 2011-06-14 00:32 good night dude 2011-06-14 00:44 giggles 2011-06-14 00:44 http://r33b.net 2011-06-14 00:47 ;-) 2011-06-14 01:42 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06132011-0721/ 2011-06-14 02:12 tuxbrain_away: for my atben/atusb order, do you have some stuff you need to ship back to Taipei? Maybe some returned nanos, or even more important, the jtag-serial pods from your m1 and hopefully the ones you got from h:d? 2011-06-14 02:13 I would like to combine it all into one shipment you can send with a good courier... 2011-06-14 02:13 I'll send you a mail :-) 2011-06-14 02:15 Hi, I have an Intel d915pcy Motherboard, and the front panel (in particular: the Firewire por) is not working. I've downoaded the manual and connected everything correct. 2011-06-14 02:16 I've also check Intel's site for a 1394 driver, and nothing. I also, updated the Bios software,and yet, nothing 2011-06-14 03:18 shouldn't the channel's /topic be a *bit* more specific, and also have some URL to a relevant website? 2011-06-14 03:18 larsc: hmm, does 6960c45fc0eefbd9ae025fe35121e7eb4efd2bfb (in jz-2.6.38) have any known issues besides what you fixed in 7968eee8c23b92d5a6b064dc020f7397e6016421 ? 2011-06-14 03:19 DocScrutinizer: yes, good point! 2011-06-14 03:19 larsc: i seem to have a regression (USB doesn't enumerate anymore) that points to this. not entirely sure yet, though 2011-06-14 03:22 I mean, freenode users picking channels from chanlist based on what's in the /topic 2011-06-14 03:22 so a bit more descriptive topic wouldn't really hurt 2011-06-14 03:23 we need a super short explanation what copyleft hw is 2011-06-14 03:23 "copyleft hardware is built out of free knowledge"? 2011-06-14 03:24 how about "HHHH0HzH.HxHxHHHh.oHzHH0HH" ? at least tuxbrain will find it exceedingly descriptive ;-) 2011-06-14 03:25 keep in mind that most IRC clients allow searching chanlist incl topics by regex 2011-06-14 03:25 so a few buzzwords would help as well 2011-06-14 03:26 sure, like I said let's find something and change it 2011-06-14 03:26 "hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote and other community driven hw projects" 2011-06-14 03:29 sure why not. I need to find out how to change the topic... 2011-06-14 03:29 DocScrutinizer: don't you have those topic-changing superpowers already? 2011-06-14 03:33 sure 2011-06-14 03:33 toss a text to c&p ;-) 2011-06-14 03:34 it's "your" chan 2011-06-14 03:34 wpwrak: this might fix the USB problem: https://github.com/mthuurne/opendingux-kernel/commit/e6ec57a4 2011-06-14 03:37 mth: thanks ! now .. how do i cherry-pick this one ... 2011-06-14 03:37 where's he gone? 2011-06-14 03:37 ah, google knows. as usual ;-) 2011-06-14 03:38 lost while searching how to change topic? 2011-06-14 03:39 except that there doesn't seem to be a way to pick from a repository without cloning it. grmbl ... 2011-06-14 03:39 as a last resort, you could copy-paste the diff and apply it 2011-06-14 03:39 sigh 2011-06-14 03:39 the web page seems to be designed with that in mind: it doesn't select the line numbers 2011-06-14 03:39 wpwrak: URL for topic? 2011-06-14 03:40 a download link for the patch would be more useful though 2011-06-14 03:41 wpwrak: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/usb.patch 2011-06-14 03:42 mth: thanks a lot ! 2011-06-14 03:49 whee ! there we ride again ! 2011-06-14 03:49 mth: works great, thanks a lot ! 2011-06-14 04:17 still waiting for suggestions/critics about chan topic :-) 2011-06-14 05:10 [commit] kyak: Revert "config.full_system: add liballegro stuff into image (=y>, not as module (=m)" http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/07fdef0 2011-06-14 05:21 DocScrutinizer the chan topic reads fine IMO 2011-06-14 05:23 rjeffries: OK 2011-06-14 05:29 tuxbrain_away: huh? 5 minutes ago AtBEN-AtUSB Combo was 59 EUR 2011-06-14 05:29 now it is 50 EUR 2011-06-14 05:30 should i wait another 5 minutes? :) 2011-06-14 05:30 ah, 5 minutes ago i wasn't registered.. That's interesting 2011-06-14 05:30 with vat without vat :) 2011-06-14 05:31 due you are from out side of EU vat doesn't apply :) 2011-06-14 05:32 Rusian and Southamerican people please wait until this night I update the shippin cost to you via fedex 2011-06-14 05:32 good 2011-06-14 05:32 i'll be waiting impatiently 2011-06-14 05:33 i'll be saving 9 euro, this makes be wanna buy two :) 2011-06-14 05:33 tuxbrain_away: how many did you produce? 2011-06-14 05:35 wpwrak: can one atusb handle two atben's simultaneously? 2011-06-14 05:36 wpwrak: and, can two atben's communicate between each other? 2011-06-14 05:37 kyak: yes. yes. 2011-06-14 05:38 good, good :) 2011-06-14 05:39 kyak: i'm not even sure where the maxium size of a PAN is. could be ~2^16 nodes. or maybe ~2^64. 2011-06-14 05:40 kyak: in any case, there are not enough atben/atusb in the world to overflow even a single PAN ;-) 2011-06-14 05:40 not are there ben, for that matter. including the ones still in wolfgang's warehouse :) 2011-06-14 05:43 there is even not enough living things on Earth to overflow it :) 2011-06-14 05:44 browsing tuxbrain's shop, i stumbled upon EFIKA MX Smartbook. It's interesting 2011-06-14 06:27 just read one news about JZ4770: ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/2soc/4770/JZ4770_ds.pdf 2011-06-14 06:28 1Ghz, 65nm 2011-06-14 06:30 DocScrutinizer: cool, you already changed the topic it seems! 2011-06-14 06:30 we can also shorten it and remove the relatively meaningless 'time is on our side' meme 2011-06-14 06:45 wolfspraul: like that? 2011-06-14 06:45 he 2011-06-14 06:45 how about you? 2011-06-14 06:45 also remove the 'welcome and please ask your question...'? 2011-06-14 06:45 a bit cheesy maybe 2011-06-14 06:45 yeah 2011-06-14 06:45 what do you think? 2011-06-14 06:46 I think it's ok, maybe missing buzzwords like milkymist? 2011-06-14 06:46 DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot! 2011-06-14 06:46 no problem 2011-06-14 06:46 there's actually the #milkymist channel as well 2011-06-14 06:46 ok 2011-06-14 06:46 the overlap (or non-overlap) between #qi-hardware and #milkymist is not 100% clea 2011-06-14 06:46 clear 2011-06-14 06:46 which is OK I think 2011-06-14 06:47 #qi-hardware for me remains about copylef hardware, manufacturing, etc. 2011-06-14 06:47 #milkymist is definitely about the SoC, and then about Flickernoise (there is no separate flickernoise channel) 2011-06-14 06:48 it's also about Milkymist One, the video synthesizer, although somewhere there on the manufacturing side it starts to become part of the qi project :-) 2011-06-14 06:48 bottom line: no need to mention milkymist in the topic 2011-06-14 06:48 I think what you have now is perfect 2011-06-14 07:05 currently writing  a slashdot submission for atben/atusb 2011-06-14 07:05 wondering, what's the driver status?  still much work to do? 2011-06-14 07:06 (6lopan kernel drivers) 2011-06-14 07:39 dvdk: oh nice! crossing my fingers that you have some genius ideas for the headline :-) 2011-06-14 07:39 without speaking for Werner, I think on the driver side there is still a lot to do 2011-06-14 07:41 to get all this clean and into kernel.org, I think that's a whole new effort, maybe comparable in size to where Werner and Tuxbrain got things today 2011-06-14 07:41 Stefan Schmidt has signaled some support, which is encouraging. So maybe the Slashdot headline should be a call for participation? 2011-06-14 07:41 but what's the catchiest way to describe why this is important... 2011-06-14 07:42 802.15.4? 6LoWPAN? why? 2011-06-14 07:51 http://slashdot.org/submission/1648862/A-Free-and-Open-Replacement-for-Wireless-LAN 2011-06-14 07:52 wolfspraul: sorry didn't catch your reply until it was submitted 2011-06-14 07:52 anybody with slashdot accounts wish to mod it up?   2011-06-14 07:53 but going into sw details would have been to verbose for a slashdot story anyways. 2011-06-14 07:53 your headline gives a nice reason already 2011-06-14 07:53 (low attention span of slashdot readers :) 2011-06-14 07:54 the ben-wpan wiki page is pretty large.  hopefully it can survive the slashdot effect 2011-06-14 07:54 ouch. should have linked to a perma-link (i.e. dated version) of the page. 2011-06-14 07:55 well, let's see how it goes. 2011-06-14 07:56 I clicked on '+' - does this help? 2011-06-14 07:56 'replacement' is good, a bit radical like 'abuse' last time... 2011-06-14 07:57 I somehow can't see any effect of me clicking on '+', even though I'm logged in with my account. 2011-06-14 07:59 wolfspraul: the only effect is, that the '+' gets marked for you 2011-06-14 07:59 maybe sd editors are going to see the number of '+' counts (but nobody else sees them) 2011-06-14 08:01 ah I see 2011-06-14 08:01 you prefer radical ?   "Qi-hardware tries to killing propritary wlan" :) 2011-06-14 08:01 well then 2011-06-14 08:01 no no 2011-06-14 08:01 :-) 2011-06-14 08:01 *to kill 2011-06-14 08:01 hold that back for later, ok? 2011-06-14 08:02 always a question of audience, isn't it :) 2011-06-14 08:04 hihi 2011-06-14 08:06 hi 2011-06-14 09:44 sold OM's bq27k kernel module to meego-arm 2011-06-14 09:45 it's a pity how few of that stuff gone upstream. The effect is now other really crappy shit is occupying that niche 2011-06-14 09:45 which basically means the good OM stuff will never aver make it upstream now 2011-06-14 09:47 and eventually this will bite our ass for the local build, when crap comes back downstream and collides 2011-06-14 09:48 curses OE 2011-06-14 09:52 the downstream of crap... 2011-06-14 10:11 (keeping a low profile) "revolutionary WPAN frees universe from the shackles of the Wifi-industrial complex, heralds new golden age" 2011-06-14 10:12 wolfspraul: (sw) yes, still a lot to do 2011-06-14 10:13 (checking the article ...) 2011-06-14 10:14 djvdk: "compatability" .. intentional ? someone once suggested "combatablity", because it's always a fight :) 2011-06-14 10:15 a number of capitalization errors, e.g., it'e 6LoWPAN. also, the capitalization of atben/atusb should be just that. (hmm, but i see where you got the bad precedent from :-( ) 2011-06-14 10:19 hmm, would have been good to wait a bit with the announcement until after cleaning up the (very messy) wiki page ... 2011-06-14 10:19 tuxbrain_away: and you didn't update the commercial description. ("24 kB used") 2011-06-14 10:23 wpwrak: next time we should edit /. submission as a wiki page like community news :) 2011-06-14 10:23 wrt spelling: just used copy-pasted, yeah 6LowPAN is a my mistake 2011-06-14 10:23 dvdk: yes, or at least have a quick review cycle 2011-06-14 10:24 i thought: why review, if we can just re-submit over and over again? :) 2011-06-14 10:24 everybod his/her own version of the story 2011-06-14 10:24 ;-)) 2011-06-14 10:24 oh dear ;-) 2011-06-14 10:28 ok, nm. bq27k driver is upstream, according to our kernel hacker larsc 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Benson Leung: gpio-charger: Add gpio_charger_resume http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/0b8eee2 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: udc http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ef7f1fc 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/1c110d7 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: MIPS: JZ4740: USB: Fix packet read/write functions. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/29cacc9 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: move register and protocol definitions to header file http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b213088 2011-06-14 12:07 [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: remove irq_disabled flag and clean up IRQ freeing http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/41fca64 2011-06-14 12:09 dvdk: I stole your text http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/announce/2011-June/000006.html 2011-06-14 12:09 unfortunately I forgot to fix the line wrappings, oh well :-) 2011-06-14 12:09 the power of copy/paste got me 2011-06-14 12:10 wolfspraul: at least you fixed all the typos :) 2011-06-14 12:11 wolfspraul: hmm, should mention that this is with EU taxes. abroad, these come off. (and local ones get added) 2011-06-14 12:14 tuxbrain_away: would be nice if your shop always mentioned what price it's showing (e.g., "with 18% IVA - click here for non-EU prices" or "without taxes - click here for EU prices") 2011-06-14 12:15 wpwrak: yes but I just wanted to get the news out asap, and if price comes down, even better 2011-06-14 12:15 I should have seen the line wraps at least... 2011-06-14 12:16 wolfspraul: Jane will like the long line ;-) 2011-06-14 13:56 wow, that anoucement was fast :-) 2011-06-14 16:04 wpwrak: dirtpan support comunication between one or more atben/atusb ? 2011-06-14 16:06 kristianpaul: at the moment, it doesnt' support atusb because the kernel doesn't. but once that it solved, it will, yes. 2011-06-14 16:07 kristianpaul: in fact, it will support communication between any pairs of IEEE 802.15.4 devices that have a kernel driver 2011-06-14 16:07 [commit] David Kühling: cmake.mk: fix bogus values for FIND_ROOT_PATH_MODE_*; kept plplot from compiling http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e1cbfbf 2011-06-14 16:07 oh, thats even better :-) 2011-06-14 16:08 wpwrak: u mean atusb support will be in linux upstream? 2011-06-14 16:08 that will be awesome 2011-06-14 16:10 kristianpaul: i can't make such a promise. but i'm working on getting the driver ready for merging in richard's usb skeleton. 2011-06-14 16:11 ok 2011-06-14 18:05 wpwrak what do you think of this tool, for the money? 2011-06-14 18:05 http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=12722 2011-06-14 18:21 rjeffries, what about the FLOSS one? 2011-06-14 18:21 from seed studio 2011-06-14 18:22 are the specs similar? 2011-06-14 18:22 no idea 2011-06-14 18:22 ok 2011-06-14 18:24 ah I don't find it anymore 2011-06-14 18:25 hmmm but they seem to have that: 2011-06-14 18:25 http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/logic-shrimp-v1-logic-analyzer-p-803.html?cPath=174&zenid=3f92a73ccc125357243d98479c0e88bf 2011-06-14 18:25 no idea about the specs 2011-06-14 18:40 I just read the AtBEN announcement. Awesome news. Big thank you to wpwrak, tuxbrain_away and anyone else who made (and is still making) it happen. I hope we can support this work in gNewSenses soon. 2011-06-14 18:41 hm.. 2011-06-14 18:41 nice idea to use NN as wallet :) 2011-06-14 18:42 I'll prefer to have there OPIE/SKEY calculator and some secured storage 2011-06-14 18:42 and password generator (apg?) 2011-06-14 18:43 then we may position NN as banking e-token ;) 2011-06-14 18:43 connect it via USB, enter password and get access to your online banking :) 2011-06-14 18:43 $99 only :) 2011-06-14 18:44 iirc, e-tokens here are selled to customers about $50 2011-06-14 18:44 comparable price :) 2011-06-14 19:27 rjeffries: the ad gave me LULZ 2011-06-14 19:27 ok I do not know enough to judge 2011-06-14 19:27 "gobbledigobble"  "send it over!"  "jokus pokus" "WUT??" 2011-06-14 19:28 samgee: hey :-) 2011-06-14 19:29 samgee: sure, i was about to point in gns, add support for atusb at least 2011-06-14 19:32 rjeffries: I missed any pricetag for that 8ch-logprobe 2011-06-14 19:41 kristianpaul: it'd be nice if we could be early adopters for support, but probably not feasible in the short term. 2011-06-14 19:44 Hello! Does any of you know how could I get a nano-note here in Argentina? 2011-06-14 19:45 well 2011-06-14 19:46 may be wpwrak have some nanonote avaliable to sell? :-) 2011-06-14 19:46 but in the wort case you have to order from sharism 2011-06-14 20:09 oh! Thanks a lot Kristian! 2011-06-14 20:09 great! 2011-06-14 20:09 (btw, Werner does not have any available to sell it :( ) 2011-06-14 20:10 then, Sharism 2011-06-14 20:49 (selling stuff) yup. argentine biz bureaucrazy is way too messy for me to get into. well, if there was demand for 1000+ units per month, maybe :) 2011-06-14 21:13 [commit] David Kühling: add icon and starter for ASE (aseprite) image/animation editor http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/31e1f3c 2011-06-14 21:52 [commit] David Kühling: ase: hack gui to emulate mouse via keyboard; change keymap to not interfere. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5c9e2b8 2011-06-14 22:53 tuxbrain_away: any news on the sugru front ? pass or fail ? :) 2011-06-14 22:54 I have let my already setup NN to victor to make pretty pics on NN , and I have other more urgent work to do than seting up a new NN to test the sugru thing, I will test as soon as my NN come back 2011-06-14 22:55 pics on NN atben and atusb of course :) 2011-06-14 22:59 tuxbrain_away: (pis) great ! 2011-06-14 22:59 s/pis/piCs/ 2011-06-14 23:00 (pis being a particularly bad typo in spanish ;-) 2011-06-14 23:08 yeah on first read before the typo correction I was thinking you where celebrating a great toilet achievement that want to share with me 2011-06-14 23:12 sometimes, right after them, the feel very much like worth celebrating. but no, i haven't thought of sharing my exploits on the throne here. maybe i should start a blog ;-) 2011-06-14 23:13 nah a tweet or ident is just enough :P 2011-06-14 23:13 when did i go. how did it feel and sound. how was my weight difference. what had i eaten before. picture for premium subscribers. oh yes, i could see a nice business model ;-) 2011-06-14 23:15 you have to go with the times. nobody cares about technology these days. a quick fart joke, yes, that's more than enough intellectual challenge for a day ;-) 2011-06-14 23:18 too much information dude (what is the emoticon for extremelly disgusting near to throw up) 2011-06-14 23:33 ;-)) 2011-06-14 23:44 wpwrak: what was the aviable free mem? don't make me search on the list 2011-06-14 23:47 tuxbrain_away: alright, i searched it for you: http://pastebin.com/MnWG9Efw 2011-06-14 23:48 the relevant sentences are at the bottom :)