2011-06-10 00:01 first, a little firmware upgrade (very minor - more cosmetic than anything else): http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/bindist/atusb-256ac01.bin 2011-06-10 00:01 atrf-id: #92 Thu JunÂ Â 9 20:56:54 ART 2011 2011-06-10 00:02 md5sum: e3e6c9d230cb32fb98b948cf0a793586 2011-06-10 00:04 done 2011-06-10 00:06 heh, this also removes a race condition. nice ;-) 2011-06-10 00:11 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-xmit.c (xfer_one): pulse SLP_TR instead of sending TRX_CMD_TX_START http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/703ce81 2011-06-10 00:11 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-xmit: use receive interrupt instead of polling http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/abe923d 2011-06-10 00:11 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-proxy/atrf-proxy.c (cmd_zero): reduce poll delay from 100 ms to 2 ms http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/78ab017 2011-06-10 00:11 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/board.c (reset_rf): increased 1 us delays to nominally 2 us http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/256ac01 2011-06-10 00:11 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-xmit: tightened checking of interrupt behaviour http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/4d4e132 2011-06-10 00:11 time to rebuild the tools. (both host and ben) 2011-06-10 00:20 okay. now the checking is pretty much the same as in the kernel. in fact, it's even tighter. the kernel driver is a bit sloppy on waiting for the PLL lock. 2011-06-10 00:22 ah, regarding the atusb firmware, there will be at least one more update in the next days, to add proper interrupt support. so at least the early birds may get a chance to play with dfu-util ;-) 2011-06-10 00:22 rebuild install done 2011-06-10 00:23 also stopped and then restarted atrf-proxy ? 2011-06-10 00:23 yep 2011-06-10 00:23 perfect 2011-06-10 00:24 what now? 2011-06-10 00:24 time atrf-xmit -p 15Â Â usb net:benÂ Â 100 2011-06-10 00:24 thenÂ Â time atrf-xmit -p 15 net:ben usbÂ Â 100 2011-06-10 00:25 both should say 100/100 2011-06-10 00:25 100/100 2011-06-10 00:25 real0m2.516s 2011-06-10 00:25 user0m0.000s 2011-06-10 00:25 sys0m0.030s 2011-06-10 00:25 and take 3-5 seconds 2011-06-10 00:25 even better :) 2011-06-10 00:25 time atrf-xmit -p 15 net:ben usb 100 2011-06-10 00:25 100/100 2011-06-10 00:25 real0m2.341s 2011-06-10 00:25 user0m0.010s 2011-06-10 00:25 sys0m0.040s 2011-06-10 00:25 excellent 2011-06-10 00:26 well .. it actually seems a bit fast 2011-06-10 00:26 ls -l `which atrf-xmit` 2011-06-10 00:26 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 79763 2011-06-10 02:16 /usr/local/bin/atrf-xmit 2011-06-10 00:27 yes soon it will be early morning instead of late night 2011-06-10 00:27 the best time of the day ;-) 2011-06-10 00:29 the ben->usb time look okay. for some reason, usb->ben is a bit slower here. always takes ~4.25 seconds 2011-06-10 00:29 yes I'm seeing the intro of one of the meeting tomorrow: ladys, gentleman.... go to hell and let me sleep! 2011-06-10 00:30 one last test: download this oneÂ Â http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/atrf-xmit 2011-06-10 00:30 thenÂ Â time ./atrf-xmit -p 15 usb net:ben 100 2011-06-10 00:30 your have a 64bits machine? 2011-06-10 00:30 yes 2011-06-10 00:30 and it's ubuntu 10.04-ish 2011-06-10 00:31 so i hope we're binary compatible :) 2011-06-10 00:32 sorry dudeÂ Â no sexual intercurseÂ Â thank you :P 2011-06-10 00:32 it didn't work ? 2011-06-10 00:33 here would be a static binary: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/atrf-xmit.bz2Â Â (also 64 bit) 2011-06-10 00:34 time ./atrf-xmit.1 -p 15 usb net:ben 100 2011-06-10 00:34 100/100 2011-06-10 00:34 real0m2.286s 2011-06-10 00:34 user0m0.020s 2011-06-10 00:34 sys0m0.000s 2011-06-10 00:34 time ./atrf-xmit.1 -p 15 net:ben usb 100 2011-06-10 00:34 100/100 2011-06-10 00:34 real0m2.319s 2011-06-10 00:34 user0m0.020s 2011-06-10 00:34 sys0m0.000s 2011-06-10 00:35 I have a better ben/usb/host combination than yours :P 2011-06-10 00:35 heh ;-) may actually be something like that :) 2011-06-10 00:36 the difference doesn't make a lot of sense, so i'm happier with your result. just wanted to be sure it's for real. 2011-06-10 00:36 deleting those x86 executables again ... 2011-06-10 00:37 alright. i think i can let you sleep now ;-) 2011-06-10 00:37 that's all ? :P 2011-06-10 00:37 i'll try to think of an explanation for the MOSI/nSS/etc. weirdness 2011-06-10 00:37 ok 2011-06-10 00:38 it actually makes a little sense that nSS would now pop up too, because it was not properly configured before 2011-06-10 00:39 and if the problem is truly in the pull-up/down resistors, MOSI, nSS, and SCLK would all be potential troublemakers 2011-06-10 00:40 so what i'll do is measure the pull-up/down strength. maybe this will give me some new ideas. 2011-06-10 00:41 My next steps will be flash a bunch of atusb, setup properly the web content of the shop and make a annoucement post (not publishÂ Â until I have at least a bunch of checked atben/atusb) 2011-06-10 00:41 great 2011-06-10 00:41 ok just tell me how we should mesure this 2011-06-10 00:42 also, please review my commercial description 2011-06-10 00:42 yes, I was also on it... how to test the distance? 2011-06-10 00:42 (measure) ideally with a lab power supply, a few resistors, and a very sensitive voltmeter 2011-06-10 00:43 ah yes, that one. lemme look it up ... 2011-06-10 00:45 on the ben, runÂ Â atrf-txrx -P -p 3 2011-06-10 00:45 on the pc: atrf-txrx -P 1 -p 3 2011-06-10 00:45 then move them apart until you stop seeing a . appear every second 2011-06-10 00:46 (all this is without atrf-proxy and such) 2011-06-10 00:46 (and you either want a very long usb cable, or run on battery ;-) 2011-06-10 00:47 ok 2011-06-10 00:47 the a will apear on ben or on PC? 2011-06-10 00:47 on ben I supose 2011-06-10 00:47 both will show similar things 2011-06-10 00:47 ok 2011-06-10 00:47 time to sleep 2011-06-10 00:47 they synchronize with each other. what the characters mean: 2011-06-10 00:48 . = successful exchange (both ways) 2011-06-10 00:48 continue 2011-06-10 00:49 * = one-way reception (i.e., the other side sent something but didn't acknowledge our last packet) 2011-06-10 00:49 - = a garbled packet 2011-06-10 00:49 and thenÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â the silence 2011-06-10 00:50 + = no reception, so we timed out and generated a new packet (you get this one only on the machine that had the timeout value after -P) the other simply waits 2011-06-10 00:51 ok I wil do that test tomorrow, now time to sleep if there were dots inside my rf madness house will be a total success :) 2011-06-10 00:51 you can also change some more parameters. if you're in wlan hell, maybe first check the spectrum with 2011-06-10 00:51 atrf-rssi -g 2011-06-10 00:52 (either on the pc or on the ben) 2011-06-10 00:52 oh beautiful :) 2011-06-10 00:52 ah, on the ben, if you have jlime. otherwise, no SDL :) 2011-06-10 00:53 lot of movement on the 11-13 band :) as expected 2011-06-10 00:53 to set the channel in atrf-txrx: -c CHAN 2011-06-10 00:54 the default channel is 15 2011-06-10 00:54 cool is the most clean one :) 2011-06-10 00:55 note that the channel numbers are not the same as for WiFi. 2011-06-10 00:55 well whatever 15 is almost clean 2011-06-10 00:55 i could actually show the wifi channels too. there's enough space ... 2011-06-10 00:57 the ping test works with the 250 kbps standard data rate. if you want to go faster, you can useÂ Â -r 500kÂ Â orÂ Â -r 1MÂ Â orÂ Â -r 2M 2011-06-10 00:57 the faster you go, the shorter the range 2011-06-10 00:58 ok will be also fine to see how much distance we can achive at those rates too 2011-06-10 00:58 yup :) 2011-06-10 00:59 now yes I will go to sleep, mmm dreaming on 2Mbit rates :) 2011-06-10 00:59 speedy dreams ! ;-) 2011-06-10 01:41 wpwrak: wrt Nokia CTO calling it quits, just wanted to say that in most such large companies, the mode of operation of holders of specific titles is quite standardized, so that people inside the company quickly understand how things can work. 2011-06-10 01:42 and 'cto' is often misunderstood from the engineering side as the 'super engineer' who has all sorts of powers, but actually not at all. 2011-06-10 01:42 most of the time, the CTO has the right to stop any project, but he cannot start any project 2011-06-10 01:42 it's a very defensive role, like an insurance against something that is technically impossible 2011-06-10 01:43 so even though I agree with you that Nokia is on a massive self-destruct mission, the CTO stepping down wouldn't worry me from the outside 2011-06-10 01:43 ah, i thought there were more strategic elements in that role 2011-06-10 01:43 so it's basically controlling 2011-06-10 01:43 can stop anything 2011-06-10 01:43 that's a big power 2011-06-10 01:43 but cannot start anything :-) 2011-06-10 01:44 that's the downside, he he 2011-06-10 01:44 of course I don't know Nokia specifically, but that's how it is normally 2011-06-10 01:44 with that title 2011-06-10 01:44 a job for hooligans ;-) 2011-06-10 01:44 the CTO will be blamed if something becomes a tech disaster 2011-06-10 01:44 "why didn't you stop this?" 2011-06-10 01:45 always good to have some whipping boys around :) 2011-06-10 01:45 well, you know engineers are sometimes, what shall we say... a bit too optimistic? :-) 2011-06-10 01:46 not if you ask them whether they can do X until firm deadline Y ;-) 2011-06-10 01:48 ah, Rich Green :-) That was the guy at Sun who always hated Sun's open source strategy..., if I remember correctly 2011-06-10 01:49 hated it for what ? 2011-06-10 01:50 I forgot the details, could be wrong. RIP Sun... 2011-06-10 01:51 he's a long-time Sun guy anyway, 20 years or so 2011-06-10 01:51 I'm still rooting for Nokia, they don't deserve to go down like this. oh well. 2011-06-10 01:52 seems that they don't get what they deserve 2011-06-10 01:52 some strange things happening there. No more forecast for 2011? 2011-06-10 01:52 that's unbelievable 2011-06-10 01:52 a company this size without forecast? unbelievable, really 2011-06-10 01:52 well, the board of directors could still attempt a u-turn. not sure if this would help, though 2011-06-10 01:52 I cannot begin to imagine what's going on inside. Probably massive infighting everywhere. 2011-06-10 01:53 oh everybody comes to the office every day to fight, that's for sure 2011-06-10 01:53 unfortunately it will make it sink faster 2011-06-10 01:53 no more forecast, aargh 2011-06-10 01:53 DocScrutinizer mentioned that nokia employees are already publicly daydreaming about killing elop. let's see how long until one snaps. 2011-06-10 01:54 their credit rating is close to junk already 2011-06-10 01:54 again, "no more forecast", you just cannot do this 2011-06-10 01:54 you just cannot 2011-06-10 01:54 let's see how many months they sail without forecast now 2011-06-10 01:54 eventually they have to come out with one again, he he 2011-06-10 01:54 maybe the forecast would be worse than all speculation ? :) 2011-06-10 01:54 yes maybe 2011-06-10 01:55 but then it still needs to be on the table IMMEDIATELY 2011-06-10 01:55 such a large company doesn't live in a hole, or another planet 2011-06-10 01:55 it has a whole ecosystem around it 2011-06-10 01:55 with "we have no forecast" they initiate mass defections everywhere that will be hard to turn around 2011-06-10 01:55 their partners will draw down investments 2011-06-10 01:55 all over the place, they won't even know where 2011-06-10 01:55 maybe it takes a while for these whose heads would be on the chopping blocks to move their assets to places without extradition agreements ? 2011-06-10 01:56 I have no forecast for Sharism, and that's unprofessional 2011-06-10 01:56 but at least there are not many partners that suffer from that 2011-06-10 01:56 but Nokia???? 2011-06-10 01:56 I cannot believe it 2011-06-10 01:57 anyway 2011-06-10 01:57 we all learn. I don't remember ever watching something like this. 2011-06-10 01:57 how many months without forecast? My bet: 6 2011-06-10 01:57 sharism ought to have a roadmap. when you talk to potential investors, wouldn't they notice the red flag as much as you do in the case of nokia ? 2011-06-10 01:57 now I can proudly say I am as clueless about the future as Nokia 2011-06-10 01:57 whatever happens happens 2011-06-10 01:57 we have the same professional management :-) 2011-06-10 01:57 ;-) 2011-06-10 01:58 well, maybe tepco are setting the new standards. nokia are just very trendy :) 2011-06-10 01:58 yes, roadmap and forecast same thing here 2011-06-10 01:58 roadmap + numbers = forecast 2011-06-10 01:58 numbers are very important because the busines needs to be confident to be able to deliver that 2011-06-10 01:58 and who should know if not them? 2011-06-10 01:59 should outsiders go around and make a forecast for Nokia???? 2011-06-10 02:00 well, 0 income and all the same old expenses until the windows phone in ... 2013, right ? that's easy to calculate :) 2011-06-10 02:00 layoffs don't really change the equation in that time frame 2011-06-10 02:01 "It added that it could no longer provide a full-year forecast." 2011-06-10 02:02 unbelievable to me, I'm amazed. 2011-06-10 02:02 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13605760 2011-06-10 02:03 maybe they will go out of business faster than I thought 2011-06-10 02:03 we should help them with a forecast :-) 2011-06-10 02:03 not Werner's brutal one though 2011-06-10 02:03 maybe Joerg buys another N900... 2011-06-10 02:05 maybe you could offer your services as a consultant on how to survive with two-figure monthly sales ? :) 2011-06-10 02:05 :-) 2011-06-10 02:26 the whole nokia thing makes me wonder if there aren't some major things we haven't been told yet. the current self-destruction does seem to be justified by results like these: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Nokia-kommt-besser-ins-neue-Jahr-als-erwartet-1231812.html 2011-06-10 02:26 if that meant an emergency, companies HP ought to be long dead already 2011-06-10 02:47 wpwrak: "Mass production didn't dent our view of reality." 2011-06-10 02:47 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2011-June/065141.html 2011-06-10 02:51 ;-)) 2011-06-10 02:52 and nice use of "shear" 2011-06-10 02:57 is that a joke? 2011-06-10 02:58 kristianpaul: why do you think it's a joke? 2011-06-10 02:59 well, i dont see the sense of that kind of annoucement coming from openmoko list 2011-06-10 03:00 hehe 2011-06-10 03:00 I've long stopped trying to define 'insanity'. Let me see what Wikipedia says :-) 2011-06-10 03:00 i mean shiftd? sharing videos.. well is not bad, just it cant fit on my mind 2011-06-10 03:00 from where it come of course :-) 2011-06-10 03:00 it's all fine by me :-) joke or not, laugh or not, success or not, whatever... 2011-06-10 03:00 they launched FRAME* before, I think. something like that. getting busy now :-) 2011-06-10 03:02 thinks to know some ID-photos that show up on wiki's def of insanity 2011-06-10 03:03 ( maybe Joerg buys another N900...) I'd actually like to, as soon as I got the money, alas I think they're not on sale anymore 2011-06-10 03:05 http://frm.fm/ 2011-06-10 03:05 DocScrutinizer: see!? I knew it. Our forecast builds up... 2011-06-10 03:05 which in itself is a weird thing, I rarely ever seen a company stopping sale of a model prior to offering a successor ;-) 2011-06-10 03:07 DocScrutinizer: we can study some exceptional business moves in Nokia... 2011-06-10 03:07 someone's gotta try those too, for the MBA textbooks... 2011-06-10 03:07 wtf is frm.fm? 2011-06-10 03:07 an expensive TV running Windows 2011-06-10 03:08 I doubt it's available actually :-) 2011-06-10 03:08 so OM.inc isn't a spinoff of OM ? 2011-06-10 03:08 no spinoff, same thing 2011-06-10 03:09 btwÂ Â here not even a picture on that site is available 2011-06-10 03:09 1. FreeRunner 2. Wikireader 3. FRAMED* 4. shiftd 2011-06-10 03:09 see my comment about wikipedia above 2011-06-10 03:11 I'm not sure about the forecast bit you mentioned 2011-06-10 03:11 you mean it's ok to give up on it? 2011-06-10 03:12 I don't know what you're refering to. Should I know? 2011-06-10 03:12 I think with this kind of statement ("unable to provide"), many partners around them will put investments on hold immediately 2011-06-10 03:12 ( DocScrutinizer: see!? I knew it. Our forecast builds up...) 2011-06-10 03:12 DocScrutinizer: that Nokia said they are unable to provide a forecast for 2011 2011-06-10 03:12 ah sorry 2011-06-10 03:12 DocScrutinizer: we were chatting about Nokia earlier 2011-06-10 03:12 I was shocked about Nokia saying they are unable to provide a forecast for 2011 now. 2011-06-10 03:13 got as much 2011-06-10 03:13 so we were joking that we need to help Nokia with a forecast. Werner suggested 0. But I thought we can add at least one for your N900 purchase :-) 2011-06-10 03:13 that's all 2011-06-10 03:13 just meaningless chat for fun :-) 2011-06-10 03:13 maybe Meego will be spun off in some way, including manufacturing ability 2011-06-10 03:13 aaah, related to my desire for more N900s 2011-06-10 03:13 that'd be cool 2011-06-10 03:13 yes 2011-06-10 03:14 I thought we talked about frm 2 years ago, got puzzled 2011-06-10 03:16 (meego spinoff) that alterego guy didn't come back yet, also didn't answer further oings from me 2011-06-10 03:16 pings* 2011-06-10 03:16 guess it's been just another booze-talk 2011-06-10 03:23 I really wonder how they managed to get that tick Elop in their fur. Obviously he's killing nokia for good, and no doubt what's the plan behind it 2011-06-10 03:27 yawns and waves 2011-06-10 03:29 too bad it's still way too early for the 100th anniversary of the hindenburg. the crashing and the burning would be quite comparable 2011-06-10 03:30 ponders an idle peek on NOK trend 2011-06-10 03:31 must hit penny stock range meanwhile 2011-06-10 05:12 anybody understand that shiftd.com ...? 2011-06-10 05:19 (framed) wow an i5 for an kiosk setup!!! not much power saver indeed 2011-06-10 10:37 tuxbrain: i measured the pull up/pull down resistors. they're quite weak. pull-up about 80 kOhm, pull-down about 150 kOhm. this should still allow them to work, but there's not much margin for error. 2011-06-10 10:38 tuxbrain: on atben, all the GPIO tests pass without trouble, correct ? 2011-06-10 13:31 [commit] Werner Almesberger: fab/m1/: quick and dirty adaptation of prettygerbv and drl2gerber to M1 http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/2a6496d 2011-06-10 13:56 [commit] Werner Almesberger: fab/m1/prettygerbv: feeble attempt at showing at least some layer connectivity http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/4e48491 2011-06-10 14:46 wpwrak: yes atben no GPIO problem at all 2011-06-10 14:47 wpwrak: (resistors) you mean next batch we will have to use another ones? 2011-06-10 15:08 One patent to rule them all: http://c4universe.com/blog/2011/06/09/man-files-patent-to-protect-his-godly-powers/ 2011-06-10 15:14 tuxbrain: (atben) excellent 2011-06-10 15:15 tuxbrain: (next batch) no, it may simply be that the test is too fragile. it doesn't test a particularly critical condition. its main purpose is to spot shorted or broken traces, and that's easiest in this particular condition 2011-06-10 15:16 rjeffries: only in the US ... :) 2011-06-10 15:22 tuxbrain: i'm still curious about the voltage levels, though. i haven't quite convinced myself that the whole thing is truly harmless. 2011-06-10 15:39 [commit] Werner Almesberger: eda-tools/fab/gerb2pbm: convert a Gerber file to a PBM image http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/f6b4859 2011-06-10 15:39 tuxbrain: and i'm also curious what your range test yield :) 2011-06-10 18:34 wpwrak once tuxbrian starts selling the atben and atusb products, what communication can the buyer do "out of the box?? 2011-06-10 18:51 hehe :-) 2011-06-10 18:52 Surelly software support can be added in nanonote-openwrt at least for "dirt" pan? 2011-06-10 19:00 rjeffries: right now, very little. but yes, dirtpan isn't so far behind 2011-06-10 19:37 wpwrak love your branding. sounds mildly p0rn0graphic 2011-06-10 19:42 rjeffries: [...] and all the really simple things (UDP) probably work perfectly 2011-06-10 19:42 rjeffries_: you mean "dirtpan" ? 2011-06-10 19:46 yes sir 2011-06-10 19:47 and it is also cheaper than dirt 2011-06-10 19:47 heh, you should have seen one of the things i did at openmoko. there's a script that installs all the firmware and stuff on a device fresh from the factory. 2011-06-10 19:48 guess what i called it ? "devirginator". 2011-06-10 19:49 that one was actually shipped to the factory, where a bunch of factory workers, women of gentle age, were running it from the command line. 2011-06-10 19:49 (something like one or two thousand times, once per device) 2011-06-10 20:02 jeje 2011-06-10 20:14 just received a chinese 1W WiFi dongle 2011-06-10 20:14 1 W ? wow 2011-06-10 20:14 there is a Ralink RT3070L chip and (as it was found on one site) a custom Chinese-made RF frontend 2011-06-10 20:15 yeah. beyond every certification and illegal to import to Russia (there is a 10mW limit for any unlicensed RF range) 2011-06-10 20:15 "chinese-made" because it says so or because it looks bad ? :) 2011-06-10 20:16 because everything on the box is written in Chinese :) 2011-06-10 20:16 okay :) 2011-06-10 20:16 also, it contains a BackTrack Linux LiveCD and an illustrated instruction for cracking WEP points 2011-06-10 20:16 ;-)) 2011-06-10 20:17 and there's more! 2011-06-10 20:17 they've decided to make it a little cheaper... and didn't soldered an RF shield. 2011-06-10 20:17 (there is place for it on PCB) 2011-06-10 20:17 if they also included instructions for getting through the chinese firewall, then they'd have made the whole world their enemy ;-) 2011-06-10 20:18 so the components are all exposed (it also has an external antenna, so it definitely can and should be shielded itself) 2011-06-10 20:18 well, maybe add a picture of Muhammad on the box, just to be sure 2011-06-10 20:18 :) 2011-06-10 20:19 with those little wpan devices, we probably get away without shielding. 1 W wifi, though ... :) 2011-06-10 20:19 an FCC nightmare 2011-06-10 20:20 oh, and the customs declaration was funny too. they've specified, literally, "NETWORKING" 2011-06-10 20:20 how do i recover a git stahs? 2011-06-10 20:20 stash* 2011-06-10 20:20 kristianpaul: git stash apply 2011-06-10 20:20 that's when the FCC inspector asks for the keys to the storage room with the hellfire missiles ... 2011-06-10 20:20 if i have more that one stash? 2011-06-10 20:20 kristianpaul: git stash apply stash@{1} 2011-06-10 20:21 and so on 2011-06-10 20:21 the point is i need to create another branch 2011-06-10 20:21 git stash listÂ Â ... then pick the one you need 2011-06-10 20:21 but from the commit and uncommtied changes i had done 2011-06-10 20:21 hmm, currently 24 stashes on ben-wpan. not that i'd really intend to use any of them ... 2011-06-10 20:21 wpwrak: I'm going to take some photos of the device, probably 2011-06-10 20:22 wpwrak: he :-) 2011-06-10 20:22 a hurry up when changing branches i guess? 2011-06-10 20:22 whitequark: be careful. that sort of pornography may be illegal even in russia 2011-06-10 20:24 wpwrak: anyway, the thingie works really great. my internal Atheros card reports an RSSI of -35 to -40 on my network (AP in ~2 meters), and the chinese one says it is -15 dBm. and also it sees twice as lot of neighboor APs... 2011-06-10 20:26 wow, so they also improved the receiver sensitivity. that's good. 2011-06-10 20:26 they say it can work up to 500m indoors and 1000-2000m outdoors (with _omnidirectional_ antenna!) 2011-06-10 20:27 you and that card, ruler of the city ! 2011-06-10 20:28 Moscow is somewhat bigger than 2km in radius... it's more like 18km 2011-06-10 20:29 but hey, it was $20, and there are 18dB yagi's of roughly the same cost 2011-06-10 20:29 ah, just WEP, i tought WPA2 was already brokable 2011-06-10 20:30 ;-) 2011-06-10 20:30 kristianpaul: you can capture a 4-way handshake and then run a dictionary attach 2011-06-10 20:30 given how stupid people sometimes are, that works in surprisingly many cases 2011-06-10 20:31 you'll wonder, all my neighboords use wpa2 :/ 2011-06-10 20:31 wpwrak: check http://www.dealextreme.com/p/35405 and http://www.dealextreme.com/p/34759 2011-06-10 20:31 whitequark: you have to pick a strategically important place for your lair with the RF to rule them all. no point in domineering the outskirts. peasant revolutions are so last millennium. 2011-06-10 20:32 needs a good antenna for satellite listening 2011-06-10 20:32 oh, quite large. thought it was just a USB dongle. 2011-06-10 20:33 wpwrak: the dongle itself is much smaller than it looks like 2011-06-10 20:33 searches for his camera 2011-06-10 20:33 receivr is almost done, actually migrate a code made for lpt is not so hard when having a ubb :-) 2011-06-10 20:34 kristianpaul: actually, I didn't buy that for using someone others' wifi illegally. there is simply no point in that when you have a cheap symmetrical 20Mbit connection. it's more for connecting to free public networks in strange places, or in some other areas where AP is far away 2011-06-10 20:35 kristianpaul: so you're #3 to actually do something with UBB, after tuxbrain and myself ? welcome to the club ! 2011-06-10 20:36 wpwrak: the intention of buying ben was somewhat damaged after I've seen that the only option is FedEx, for 2/3 of Ben's cost. is this really a sole option? 2011-06-10 20:36 whitequark: (20Mbit) i hope i could said that 2011-06-10 20:37 whitequark: wolfgang can probably ship it anyway you want. or if not wolfgang, then tuxbrain 2011-06-10 20:37 wpwrak: if the tuxbrain can ship the whole package (ben, atben and atusb), that would be really great 2011-06-10 20:37 *without "the" 2011-06-10 20:37 whitequark: (illegally.) oh no, i'm happy with my conection, just wondering the world wide implication of brokable security layes in all kind of wireless networks/infrastucures 2011-06-10 20:38 whitequark: the big advantage of fedex is of course that there's less risk of endless customs delays and such 2011-06-10 20:38 wpwrak: somehow DealExtreme has no problem getting through the customs with all sorts of weird and definitely illegal stuff 2011-06-10 20:38 and they just use tracked airmail 2011-06-10 20:39 whitequark: maybe the magic is in the "NETWORKING" ;-) 2011-06-10 20:39 loves cheap tax-free airmail/postmail 2011-06-10 20:39 wpwrak: probably. I've once received a package from them with declated contents, literally, "WEIRD STUFFS" 2011-06-10 20:41 hopefully in chinese ;-) 2011-06-10 20:41 in plain English, of course 2011-06-10 20:41 (otherwise I wouldn't be able to read that...) 2011-06-10 20:42 you could have google translated it :) 2011-06-10 20:42 fot atben/atusb, i used 847330. Parts and Accessories of the Automatic Data Processing Machines 2011-06-10 20:42 (i very carefully left out any mention of RF) 2011-06-10 20:43 wonders what number "weird stuffs" correspond to... 2011-06-10 20:43 42 maybe 2011-06-10 20:44 wpwrak: so, is that customs stuff more strict in Europe? 2011-06-10 20:45 they may be about RF. europe and us. 2011-06-10 20:45 in argentina, they usually hunt for things like power cables and adapters. easier to find. 2011-06-10 20:46 huh? power cables? what's the point for restricting import of these? 2011-06-10 20:47 (customs stuff) I was asking because I've seen declarations from China, Britain and US, and none of them had any catalogue numbers like an example you've shown 2011-06-10 20:47 if ther'es a power cable in the box, it probably connects to something. this something will almost certainly not have the argentina seal of approval. hence a reason to stop the shipment and see how much it is worth to you to still have it ... 2011-06-10 20:48 hi, does anyone have a working version of fw_env.config for the nanonote, found in a git repo, but it doesn't work, fw_printenv just tells me Bad CRC and some default values 2011-06-10 20:48 hum interesting device http://www.dealextreme.com/p/qh-2-high-power-gps-l1-l2-signal-jammer-blocker-with-ac-car-charger-1217-1237-mhz-1565-1575-mhz-55871 2011-06-10 20:49 kristianpaul: wanna start a fight with whitequark ? his 1 W wifi vs. your jammer ? it's the wrong frequency, though. but maybe the harmonics are strong enough anyway ;-) 2011-06-10 20:50 wpwrak: no, actually i need one of those for gsm signal blocking 2011-06-10 20:50 wpwrak: there are all sorts of jammers on DX. GPS, GSM, WiFi, 3G, anything you could imagine 2011-06-10 20:50 kristianpaul: girlfriend on the phone all the time ? ;-) 2011-06-10 20:51 I think that maybe half of products they're selling are (illegal, of course) transceivers, amplifiers and jammers 2011-06-10 20:51 wpwrak: (power cable) do they open the boxes then? or use X-rays? 2011-06-10 20:52 whitequark: dunno if they xray them before opening. they look at pretty much everything. 2011-06-10 20:53 whitequark: they even find cheques in mail. and steal them, of course. 2011-06-10 20:54 now knows a postal system worse than russian 2011-06-10 20:56 here is http://www.dealextreme.com/p/portable-rechargeable-cdma-gsm-dcs-phs-3g-cell-phone-signal-jammer-blocker-47175 2011-06-10 20:57 price is good :-) 2011-06-10 21:11 wpwrak: the photos: http://rghost.net/10316841 http://rghost.net/10316851 http://rghost.net/10316861 http://rghost.net/10316871 http://rghost.net/10316881 2011-06-10 21:11 maybe you'll spot something interesting in RF pathway... 2011-06-10 21:17 ah, I forgot the dimensions. it is 59x75x13mm, and with a 17cm antenna 2011-06-10 21:56 wpwrak: anything do you want to improve on the testing thing? I can take it as is as valid? 2011-06-10 21:56 anything more you want I try? 2011-06-10 22:01 tuxbrain, can I help in any way du ring the testing? 2011-06-10 22:02 jluis I go to girona this weekend and I will bring the thigs there to perform as much as posible but if there's is work to do on the tuesday I will be happy to accept help :) 2011-06-10 22:03 It's a deal dude! 2011-06-10 22:04 just point me to the docs ;)Â Â 2011-06-10 22:05 here or by mail. It's your chice? Links ! Links ! links! 2011-06-10 22:11 jluis: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/prod/index.html 2011-06-10 22:12 ok first range test , awesome, 12meters in my 2.4GHz messy enviroment with one wall in the middle :) 2011-06-10 22:13 after that the number of the packages lost increase exponentialy 2011-06-10 22:15 tuxbrain, thans at least I will have the soft ready 2011-06-10 22:16 about 7 meter with two thick walls in the middle (walls= 15cm of pure no holes brick) 2011-06-10 22:17 tuxbrain: i'd love to know the voltage of the pin the gpio test complains about 2011-06-10 22:17 what pin it is ? 2011-06-10 22:18 tuxbrain: (range) wow ;-) 2011-06-10 22:18 I think we will be save to say 10m indoor :) 2011-06-10 22:19 tuxbrain: i think the last time it was nSS, no ? 2011-06-10 22:19 I will test in outdors tomorrow or on sunday. 2011-06-10 22:19 yes but where is it :) 2011-06-10 22:19 tuxbrain: (10 m) sounds good, yes. very nice. so proper SMT improved the RF performance. that's what i hoped :-) 2011-06-10 22:20 firing up gimp ... 2011-06-10 22:23 http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/nss.png 2011-06-10 22:23 wow about same range with 500k 2011-06-10 22:24 things start not not be just dots at 11-12 meters 2011-06-10 22:25 nice :) 2011-06-10 22:25 10 m is the intended range for WPAN (presumably free from obstructions). so all this is very good. 2011-06-10 22:28