2011-06-09 00:00 ok found the tablet http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11528791 2011-06-09 00:01 VelocityÂ® micro Cruz T301 7" 2GB Tablet $199 USD 2011-06-09 00:02 actually $160 on Amazon 2011-06-09 00:03 people seem to be happy with it. from the specs, i can't tell which CPU it uses. even the 4720 could drive an 800x600 screen. 2011-06-09 00:06 hmm, i wonder how many people on the list find jane's mails readable ... at least with a plain text MUA, it's all just alphabet soup 2011-06-09 00:10 I get Jane's email via the qi-hardware mailer and can read them ok 2011-06-09 00:11 rjeffries: maybe you're reading them as HTML ? 2011-06-09 00:12 ouch 2011-06-09 00:12 maybe so. but qi-hardware mail is not "pretty" my mail client is Google mail 2011-06-09 00:13 hah 2011-06-09 00:13 I usually bounce html-only mail 2011-06-09 00:13 unrelated 2011-06-09 00:13 rjeffries: so you're using a web browser. yes, that would be HTML :) 2011-06-09 00:14 the Ben sales of qrt 1,200 Wolfgang mentioned earlier implies that Ben sales run rate now is very low 2011-06-09 00:15 there've been times where I considered bouncing multipart/alternative 2011-06-09 00:15 the Pipermail system would strip out HTML me thinks 2011-06-09 00:15 DocScrutinizer: ideally, you'd just bounce all mails. that way, you're safe :) 2011-06-09 00:16 probably the best 2011-06-09 00:16 rjeffries: yes, sales are quite slow 2011-06-09 00:16 low 2011-06-09 00:16 -s 2011-06-09 00:16 low and slow 2011-06-09 00:17 I wonder who's cooking for those guys 2011-06-09 00:18 DocScrutinizer: i've heard wolfgang's rich wife/girlfriend feeds him :) 2011-06-09 00:18 nobody's cooking for me, and my hobby is way less expensive 2011-06-09 00:19 if you start with a working Android tablet (has linux underneath) what would be the path to getting OpenWet or Jlime limping along? 2011-06-09 00:19 DocScrutinizer: see. fancy hobbies give you an air of greatness. this attracts females. as an act of social bonding, they cook for you. that's how it works :) 2011-06-09 00:20 s/OpenWet/OpenWrtÂ Â lol 2011-06-09 00:20 *burp* 2011-06-09 00:20 how is that working for you, wpwrak? ;) 2011-06-09 00:20 not applicable here, I'd not even want that 2011-06-09 00:20 rjeffries: step 1: find the sources. check if they're complete. see if there are any binary-only drivers in there. if yes, figure out how to replace them or how to live without them. 2011-06-09 00:21 my GF ha to be as geeky as I'm 2011-06-09 00:24 rjeffries: still working on getting the qi-hw news extolling my exploits to places the local females visit. maybe i should just print the community news and hang a banner from the building. i have the faculty of psychology right across the street, so there would be no shortage of test subjects :) 2011-06-09 00:26 haha 2011-06-09 00:27 I definitely need to apply for the mcgyver for mars mission 1 2011-06-09 00:29 but then, the RTT :-/ 2011-06-09 00:30 darn, i was hoping we could pack some bankers and patent mongers into that one-way mission to mars 2011-06-09 00:30 might correct some idiosyncrasies I adopted thru the years 2011-06-09 00:39 DocScrutinizer: planning to work on your social skills on that flight ? :) 2011-06-09 01:51 wpwrak should appreciate this vga article 2011-06-09 01:51 http://devbisme.webfactional.com/blogs/devbisme/2011/06/02/simple-vga-interface-xula-fpga-board 2011-06-09 02:01 wpwrak interesting factoids re panelizing pcbs 2011-06-09 02:01 http://blog.omegacs.net/2011/05/26/panelizing-pcb-assembly-prepping-the-boards/ 2011-06-09 02:06 (vga) ah, interesting. the concept is old news, but i didn' know the vga input impedance. that's useful, thanks 2011-06-09 02:16 The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.trunk-full_system-06072011-2251/ 2011-06-09 04:13 kristianpaul: ey, i need you for another feedback from south america. jane's mails - what do they look like for you ? (and what MUA do you use) 2011-06-09 04:15 i use mutt 2011-06-09 04:16 wpwrak: jane's mail about usb host or cpu ? 2011-06-09 04:17 kristianpaul: the formatting. do they look readable to you ? 2011-06-09 04:17 horrible no :( 2011-06-09 04:17 (in general) 2011-06-09 04:17 hehe ;-) 2011-06-09 04:17 that make me hard to read the thread actually.. 2011-06-09 04:18 wich is interesting, but i got confused reading it.. 2011-06-09 05:33 \o/ GPS partially going down possibly 2011-06-09 05:37 hail to GLONASS? :) 2011-06-09 05:45 too soon 2011-06-09 05:45 hides 2011-06-09 06:30 hihi... looks like a moko http://cgi.ebay.de/290570024075 2011-06-09 07:25 ben in schools in nepal http://twitpic.com/58y346 2011-06-09 07:28 ahh, Nepal! almost forgot about it 2011-06-09 07:28 the trip was in May, right? How did it go? 2011-06-09 07:32 zedstar: nice picture! Is it cc licensed so I can upload on qi wiki and mention in the news? 2011-06-09 07:32 do you have a whole blog post about your trip, or planning to write one? 2011-06-09 08:04 zedstar: retwitted :) 2011-06-09 08:06 tuxbrain: hey you actively use Twitter for communicating with your customers and fans now? 2011-06-09 08:06 you are so modern :-) It's only 2011... I'm still not using it! (nothing to be proud of, I know...) 2011-06-09 08:08 twitter.com/tuxbrain - indeed, there you are 2011-06-09 08:08 98 followers :-) 2011-06-09 08:08 good luck, start a revolution maybe! are those people in Madrid still camping out? 2011-06-09 08:08 you can start a revolution in spain, and become the tux spokesman 2011-06-09 08:09 I have 1500 followers on identica, a hundred aprox in twitter as tuxbrain, and personal twitter as dsamblas that has started a week ago to not mix political thoughs with tuxbrain we have to take advantage of ti 2011-06-09 08:09 of it 2011-06-09 08:09 you start the revolution as dsamblas? 2011-06-09 08:10 how well do those twitter & identica accounts serve you in communicating with people? 2011-06-09 08:10 can you drive some sales through it? get good feedback? keep people informed about what you do? 2011-06-09 08:10 or you just talk to yourself mostly? 2011-06-09 08:10 wolfspraul: I have been using it actively for a week now 2011-06-09 08:10 maybe two 2011-06-09 08:10 ok too early to tell. keep me posted 2011-06-09 08:11 hey there is really revolution stuff under twitter.com/dsamblas! 2011-06-09 08:12 I wasn't too far from the truth :-) 2011-06-09 08:12 heheeh :) 2011-06-09 08:12 when do I see you camping out at some plaza in Barcelona? 2011-06-09 08:12 on TV... 2011-06-09 08:12 your daughter can bring the bread, should make for some good pics 2011-06-09 08:12 I have a little camp in my little town just in front of my house 2011-06-09 08:12 really? 2011-06-09 08:13 yes I think I appear in some pics of his facebook, as far as I can I try to help them 2011-06-09 08:13 you should come to China, with your beard and all we can sell you as "Spanish revolutionaire" easily 2011-06-09 08:13 give some speeches etc. 2011-06-09 08:14 only we need to make sure you leave the country fast enough before anyone gets worried 2011-06-09 08:14 not that you suddenly have 20 million Chinese followers... 2011-06-09 08:14 heheeh how confortable are chinese prision beds? 2011-06-09 08:14 or 200 2011-06-09 08:14 nah is OK first, you can come as a communist revolutionair 2011-06-09 08:14 look a bit like Marx 2011-06-09 08:14 you can start your speeches at party schools 2011-06-09 08:14 "the famous revolutionaire from Spain" 2011-06-09 08:15 then you can move to private rented locations, finally stadiums 2011-06-09 08:15 wolfspraul: hi.....sujan is there now with the devices....spending quite a bit of time in the schools....is going well 2011-06-09 08:15 you wouldn't need to worry because you come in the footsteps of Marx, from Europe etc. with bears and all - all authentic 2011-06-09 08:15 wolfspraul: they were able to buy cheaper speakers there to connect for audio/video english language learning so working nicely in class room 2011-06-09 08:16 bring some poster-size pictures with you and some comrades at your camp, that should be enough to get started 2011-06-09 08:16 zedstar: wow 2011-06-09 08:17 do you plan to blog about it? 2011-06-09 08:17 zedstar: is that picture cc-by/public domain? 2011-06-09 08:17 tuxbrain: well that is really cool stuff with your camp, let's see what happens next. 2011-06-09 08:17 wolfspraul: yes to both....i guess when sujan comes back he will do proper blog posts etc 2011-06-09 08:17 ok great, thanks [cc] 2011-06-09 08:19 wolfspraul: i was there also at a conference on computing for developing countries and demo'ed the ben and concepts behind it...went down very well...most had no idea of concept of open hardware 2011-06-09 08:19 zedstar: great :) that's we need difussion of the concept great work really 2011-06-09 08:21 these guys have no computing in classrooms and no internet....problems with electricity.....so they love having content on these kind of devices offline 2011-06-09 08:21 wolfspraul: well the real revolutionare is my wife :) but he is too lazy to use social networks so I'm some kind of his community manager :P 2011-06-09 08:21 he -> she 2011-06-09 08:23 wow 2011-06-09 08:23 even better! 2011-06-09 08:23 seriously we should get both of you to China to preach the revolution 2011-06-09 08:23 you would have millions of fans quick 2011-06-09 08:23 can sell them Nanos later :-) 2011-06-09 08:24 zedstar: I would love to find out which exact applications they use and how, so we can optimize those apps first 2011-06-09 08:24 I am most worried that we have a lot of apps only in 'nice to look at' state, but when you use them in reality there are too many details in your face to make it a fun experience 2011-06-09 08:25 i like the idea that these people can feedback into the design or a next device or even make it themselves rather than look to exploit them with version 2 high-end tech 2011-06-09 08:25 video playing works nicely....even without speakers is decent sound 2011-06-09 08:32 being able to project content would be a killer feature for this environment 2011-06-09 08:34 zedstar: they have projectors? what kind of input can the projector handle? 2011-06-09 08:34 which one is better - vga or tv-out? 2011-06-09 08:34 zedstar: UBB VGA maybe? 2011-06-09 08:35 zedstar: yeah in case you missed the news when you were traveling... http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-06-01 2011-06-09 08:36 they dont have projectors so would need to work out the best way....getting hold of used monitors might work if could do vga 2011-06-09 08:38 tuxbrain yeh that wud be cool i thnk 2011-06-09 09:02 sometimes it's useful that your computer kicks your ass. After soldering of some broken capacitor i re-applied thermal grease and installed additional cooler (things i wanted to do long ago, but didn't have enough motivation). Now the CPU temperature is around 67Â°C at LA 0.9 - the kind of temperature used to be during idle. 2011-06-09 09:03 i hope it won't bring me down again.. I read that the defect rate of Shuttle K45(SE) can reach 40-50% 2011-06-09 09:04 some topical web sites are even selling a "Shuttle K45 Capacitor Kit" 2011-06-09 10:37 wolfspraul: (revolution) clandestine communication with fellow conspirators with WPAN ... ;-) 2011-06-09 10:44 kyak: (capacitor) apparently, mainboard makers are now reducing the number of capacitors, cutting into safety margins, because prices have risen due to china's rare earth metal export limitation. so expect new pcs tp be less reliable than old ones. 2011-06-09 10:45 wpwrak: I must go but i want to let you know fab units are already here :), I have flashed one usb the spectrum seems to work ok with your fix but I try to run make usb and it fails 2011-06-09 10:45 I think is our mosi friend again 2011-06-09 10:46 I have to go now more later 2011-06-09 10:46 they look soo cooool 2011-06-09 10:47 tuxbrain: wheee !! can you please take a picture of the top of the board ? that way, i can check if there's anything obviously wrong 2011-06-09 10:48 tuxbrain: (mosi) hmm, if the fab boards do that too, maybe it's something else then 2011-06-09 11:01 tuxbrain: thanks ! 2011-06-09 11:02 looks good 2011-06-09 11:03 tuxbrain: next step: see what "make usb" wrote in _log 2011-06-09 11:13 (clandestine wpan) yeah :-) 2011-06-09 11:18 wpwrak: good thing i'm not planning to buy some new hardware in the new time... 2011-06-09 11:19 *near time 2011-06-09 11:48 wpwrak: oh my god. remote visual production testing. that will be fun :-) 2011-06-09 11:49 remote AOI, semi-automated through Werner 2011-06-09 11:52 I cross my fingers that this will result in working boards. I finally can buy something from Tuxbrain! :-) 2011-06-09 12:17 wolfspraul: (testing) erm, we have something a little better ;-) http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/prod/index.html 2011-06-09 12:18 wolfspraul: the visual part is just for first impressions and to figure out any problems the automated tests discover 2011-06-09 12:18 yes I know that we have that, but that's just a theory now. Is it used in the real run/real boards? 2011-06-09 12:19 I'm not worried about the quality of the tools you provide, I'm worried about how the tools are being applied :-) 2011-06-09 12:19 I have seen many a bad example in this area in China, ahem. 2011-06-09 12:19 :-) 2011-06-09 12:19 no tool can be great enough to overcome whatever a human in front of the tool is able to do to it :-) 2011-06-09 12:20 tuxbrain: you need to update your ben-wpan repository. the test script you've been running is old. (doesn't have the LED test) 2011-06-09 12:21 wolfspraul: i've used the test process on my prototypes. now it's being applied to the production boards. nothing unusual there :) 2011-06-09 12:21 wolfspraul: the tools just run and do their thing. very little operator input ;-) 2011-06-09 12:24 wolfspraul: there are only two tests where operator assessment is required: the LED test and the spectrum scan. in the latter, the tool determines whether the result is within limits or not, but the operator has to decide whether the configuration was valid. so the operator has to confirm the program's result. (but can't override it ;-) 2011-06-09 12:25 (override) well, except by aborting the test. but you can't turn a fail into a pass. unlike a certain gta02 NOR test :) 2011-06-09 12:28 with such firm approach to QA, i have no doubt in atben/atusb i'm going to order. This is a great job! 2011-06-09 12:32 kyak: heh, thanks :) 2011-06-09 12:40 wpwrak: this might be an unappropriate question, but are you going to be paid for the job you are doing on atben/atusb, or is it all pure enthusiasm? 2011-06-09 12:41 kyak: sadly, it's all pure enthusiasm. qi-hw is a rather penniless venture ... 2011-06-09 12:41 indeed, it's pretty sad 2011-06-09 12:43 where are the multi-million-dollar investors when you need them? 2011-06-09 12:44 larsc: yeah, i keep on asking wolfgang where he's hiding them, but i think he just doesn't want to share 2011-06-09 12:46 do you guys play golf? :_ 2011-06-09 12:46 :) 2011-06-09 12:48 morning 2011-06-09 12:48 kyak: i guess wii golf doesn' 2011-06-09 12:48 t count ? :) 2011-06-09 12:48 may i ask a few stupid git questions? 2011-06-09 12:49 perl golf? 2011-06-09 12:49 dvdk: shoot! 2011-06-09 12:49 wpwrak: it counts if you have some multi-millionaire joined in :) 2011-06-09 12:49 previously did a commit to the 'octave' package put not pushed it yet.Â Â is it possible to move this commit and all the other local changes to 'octave' over to a local branch, so i can ignore octave for now, push all the other changes and take up octave, once i have more time for it? 2011-06-09 12:50 dvdk: you could cherry-pick them over to a new branch and remove them from your working branch 2011-06-09 12:50 i.e. all my current octave changes break the build so i don't want to push them just yet, but continue with other workÂ Â still 2011-06-09 12:51 then whenever you want to push your stuff you just merge your 2nd branch with the working one 2011-06-09 12:51 qnrq: sounds reasonable.Â Â what again is the command to list all unpushed commits? 2011-06-09 12:51 git log? 2011-06-09 12:51 yeah 2011-06-09 12:51 git log lists all commits, not only your unpushed 2011-06-09 12:51 dvdk: gitx gives a pretty nice overview, it's a gui tool :) 2011-06-09 12:52 git log remote-head~your-head 2011-06-09 12:52 gitx: command not found 2011-06-09 12:52 you mean gitk? gitg? 2011-06-09 12:52 dvdk: no, I meant gitx :) http://gitx.frim.nl/ 2011-06-09 12:53 looks like it's not packaged for ubuntu yet 2011-06-09 12:53 you could just compile it :) 2011-06-09 12:53 uhm, i meant 2011-06-09 12:53 git log remote-head..your-head 2011-06-09 12:54 that will basically list all commits not pushed 2011-06-09 12:54 uhh 2011-06-09 12:55 git branch octave 2011-06-09 12:55 git checkout octave 2011-06-09 12:55 so now i'm on the new branch, I gues 2011-06-09 12:55 dvdk: another ways :), just checkout a new branch for same all your commits.(git co -b new-octave) 2011-06-09 12:55 dvdk: then checkout to the old branch git checkout old-octave. then (git rebase -i origin/master or origin/trunk) 2011-06-09 12:56 dvdk: just remove the line that you don't want keep , save and exit :D 2011-06-09 12:56 but the new branch already contains all my committed changes.Â Â how do i remove those changes (currently a single commit) from the 'trunk' branch 2011-06-09 12:56 ? 2011-06-09 12:56 xiangfu: rofl 2011-06-09 12:56 rebase -i 2011-06-09 12:56 git rebase -i origin/trunk 2011-06-09 12:56 yes. rebase -i 2011-06-09 12:56 yeah, again, there are so many way to do the same thing in git.. 2011-06-09 12:57 kyak: :) 2011-06-09 12:58 cool, with 'git checkout trunk' most of my commits are now gone 2011-06-09 12:59 git rebase -i HEAD~5Â Â (or however far you want to go back) is such a useful tool. also note how it gets the interation with the user right ;-) 2011-06-09 13:00 so with 'git rebase -i' iÂ Â now just remove the 'pick' line for the unwanted commit and aro done? 2011-06-09 13:00 cool, seems to have worked 2011-06-09 13:02 GitX is a git GUI made for Mac OS X 2011-06-09 13:02 seems not for Linux. 2011-06-09 13:03 it should all iGit :D, then people will just understand it's for Mac OS 2011-06-09 13:03 s/all/call 2011-06-09 13:03 igit igit ;) 2011-06-09 13:04 http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=igitt 2011-06-09 13:05 larsc: sounds appropriate, for mac ;-) 2011-06-09 13:05 wpwrak: exactly my thoughts 2011-06-09 13:10 phew, i thought it would be a german for "iPoop" :) 2011-06-09 13:15 ouch, my dns server (dnscache.berlin.ccc.de) is down, so i can't access qi-hardware git. 2011-06-09 13:15 can anybody tell me an alternative open dns server? 2011-06-09 13:16 it's a little difficult to google, without having google's ip addres 2011-06-09 13:16 dvdk: 8.8.8.8 is your friend 2011-06-09 13:16 who provides this service? 2011-06-09 13:16 dvdk: google :) 2011-06-09 13:16 google :) 2011-06-09 13:16 so they get even more of my data :/ 2011-06-09 13:17 yeah internernet, i'm back 2011-06-09 13:17 dvdk: yeah. and in return, they give you clean DNS responses. no redirects, no wildcards for typos, and all those other lovely things other do 2011-06-09 13:17 wpwrak: that's why i used ccc's dns server (but it's slow).Â Â also most german universities seem to have dropped public dns :( 2011-06-09 13:34 wpwrak: I have pulled the git and ... it pass :) 2011-06-09 13:35 wheee !! :) 2011-06-09 13:39 I have detected two strange things, a)first is our friend mosi, I have to unplug/plug the atusb to make the gpio test pass, making the test running twice without unplug the atusb is a sure fail on gpio 2011-06-09 13:39 b) the cristal frecuency somtime pass sometimes not 2011-06-09 13:40 tuxbrain: hmm. a) sounds like a reset issue. lemme check that ... 2011-06-09 13:41 b) what doesÂ Â ntpdc -c kerninfoÂ Â say ? 2011-06-09 13:44 also, b) "sometimes" with the same board or with some boards yet, with others no ? 2011-06-09 13:44 s/yet/yes/ 2011-06-09 13:46 now I have to really setup an "allways the same position" and of cours flash the the rest 2011-06-09 13:46 yes, always the same position is important if you're going to do hundreds of devices ;-)) 2011-06-09 13:47 mutrox@mutrox-ekija:~$ ntpdc -c kerninfo 2011-06-09 13:47 pll offset:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0.007595 s 2011-06-09 13:47 pll frequency:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 5.720 ppm 2011-06-09 13:47 maximum error:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0.51234 s 2011-06-09 13:47 have you tested an atben yet ? 2011-06-09 13:47 estimated error:Â Â Â Â Â Â 0.024781 s 2011-06-09 13:47 status:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2001Â Â pll nano 2011-06-09 13:47 pll time constant:Â Â Â Â 10 2011-06-09 13:47 precision:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1e-09 s 2011-06-09 13:47 frequency tolerance:Â Â 500 ppm 2011-06-09 13:47 is with the same board , is the only one I have flashed yet 2011-06-09 13:47 atben(not yet) 2011-06-09 13:48 NTP looks good. crystal is fairly accurate and the NTP daemon is happy, too 2011-06-09 13:48 so what can be the reason of the cristal fail? 2011-06-09 13:49 could be that your system is generally more "noisy" than mine 2011-06-09 13:49 what happens if youÂ Â for n in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do atrf-xtalÂ Â 10000; doneÂ Â ? 2011-06-09 13:50 (will take ~90 seconds) 2011-06-09 13:50 syntax error near unexpected token `do 2011-06-09 13:51 uh ? :) 2011-06-09 13:51 sorry bad c&p, doing it now 2011-06-09 13:51 "or n in ..." ? ;-) 2011-06-09 13:52 +0.24 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 -4.55 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 -5.10 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 +5.55 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 +11.25 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 +6.75 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 -7.64 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 -3.90 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 +4.78 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 -4.41 ppm 2011-06-09 13:52 wow. all over the place 2011-06-09 13:53 that's good or bad? 2011-06-09 13:53 is your machine doing something heavy in the background ? kernel compilations, video playback, ... ? 2011-06-09 13:54 it's bad but it may not be the atusb's fault. you may want to compare with my prototype 2011-06-09 13:55 well is a limited machine, is an arm(I need that to be able to perform make a mobile test platforms) mmmm let me check with my desktop computer 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.81 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.89 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.85 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.88 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.87 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.91 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.93 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.98 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +4.94 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 +5.01 ppm 2011-06-09 13:58 yes I don't know what that results means but are quite different from on machine to another 2011-06-09 13:58 that looks a lot more like what i'm used to ;-) 2011-06-09 13:59 wpwrak: tuxbrain: you'r using a USRP to do these tests? 2011-06-09 13:59 about +/- 0.1 ppm variation is what i get on my desktop too. well, a bit less, but then it's (still) a relatively powerful machine 2011-06-09 14:00 no no external mesurement just wpwrak tools 2011-06-09 14:00 because if tuxbrain's ARM machine is an efika-mx i'd say it doesn't have the kind of usb controller that can do iso transfers at full usb2.0 rate. 2011-06-09 14:00 dvdk: yes it is 2011-06-09 14:01 also have one of these to play with at work.Â Â but the usb controller (or kernel driver) is really much weaker than even an intel atom board. 2011-06-09 14:01 yes seems I have to setup my toshiba laptop to perform the test 2011-06-09 14:01 dvdk: alas, tuxbrain lacks fancy tools like USRP and such. but i've written a set of test tools for atben/atusb that should make up for most of it. 2011-06-09 14:02 dvdk: what we're seeing here is simply the kind of problems you'd expect when trying things for the first time on a system different from the author's 2011-06-09 14:02 wpwrak: and these tools only use an atusb for testing?Â Â what is the atusb doing that maxes out a 800 MHz iMX CPU? 2011-06-09 14:02 :) 2011-06-09 14:02 don't let yourself be disturbed by me.Â Â everybody is waiting for atben/atusb :) 2011-06-09 14:03 yeah, finally octave compiles again. 2011-06-09 14:03 dvdk: I plan to do a more "profesional" performace test in the near future in a lab with a lot of RF fancy tools, just need to find the time 2011-06-09 14:03 dvdk: here's a description of the test process: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/prod/ 2011-06-09 14:04 wpwrak: cool test diagramm.Â Â i guess with that you could even train monkeys to do the test :) 2011-06-09 14:04 dvdk: but for now just knowing than the atben/atusb than leave tuxbrain works is enough for me :) 2011-06-09 14:04 dvdk: the atusb clock frequency test measures the atusb crystal clock in relation to the system clock of the host. it's not particularly taxing in terms of system load, but it is sensitive to system clock variation and scheduling delays. so if the system is very "noisy", the measurements will suffer. 2011-06-09 14:04 dvdk: I'm the empiric demonstration of your afirmation 2011-06-09 14:05 :) 2011-06-09 14:05 dvdk: (diagram) yeah, i should do diagrams for the sub-parts, too. didn't have enough monkeys for proper behavioral studies, though :) 2011-06-09 14:10 yes definively the cristal is fault of the efika, the test runs smoth on a Dual core quad :P 2011-06-09 14:10 lest the atben... 2011-06-09 14:12 tuxbrain: thinking of it, the timing variations could also come from a low HZ setting in the kernel. hmm, now, how to retrieve that one ... 2011-06-09 14:16 tuxbrain: the MOSI problem is gone for good now ? 2011-06-09 14:17 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: alex4: move save-files to ~/.alex4.* http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/7d8785d 2011-06-09 14:17 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: octave: fix fortran compile flags, enable parallel compilation http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c33acf0 2011-06-09 14:18 yes the mosi thing only happens if I run the test twice without unplug the atusb first 2011-06-09 14:20 tuxbrain: ah, but then it still happens all the time ? 2011-06-09 14:20 if I run the test twice yes 2011-06-09 14:20 always 2011-06-09 14:20 but also never if I unplug before to do the test 2011-06-09 14:20 :P 2011-06-09 14:21 tuxbrain: hmm. i still don't like it 2011-06-09 14:21 tuxbrain: after running the test, can you please doÂ Â atrf-gpio -p HHHHoHxH.HxHxHxHh.ohzoHoHH 2011-06-09 14:21 tuxbrain: that should produce the usual complaint 2011-06-09 14:21 tuxbrain: then, atrf-reset -a 2011-06-09 14:22 yest it does 2011-06-09 14:22 tuxbrain: and then againÂ Â atrf-gpio -p HHHHoHxH.HxHxHxHh.ohzoHoHH 2011-06-09 14:22 still complains 2011-06-09 14:22 grmbl 2011-06-09 14:23 this means that a power-on reset resets something a software-controlled reset doesn't 2011-06-09 14:23 that's not supposed to happen 2011-06-09 14:23 if I unplug/plug no complains 2011-06-09 14:23 that's cheating ;-) 2011-06-09 14:24 can you reach the pins to measure the voltage on MOSI ? 2011-06-09 14:24 it's challenging with my instrumental but I will try 2011-06-09 14:24 atrf-gpio -p HHHHoHxH.HxHxHxHh.ohzzHoHH delay=10000 2011-06-09 14:25 then you should have 10 seconds to measure the voltage 2011-06-09 14:25 wait, let me turn on the LED, for feedback 2011-06-09 14:25 atrf-gpio -p HHHHoH1H.HxHxHxHh.ohzzHoHH delay=10000 2011-06-09 14:26 while the LED is on, the voltage on MOSI should be stable 2011-06-09 14:29 it marks 0 in several trys 2011-06-09 14:29 ah, and what doesÂ Â ldd `which atrf-gpio` | grep usbÂ Â say ? 2011-06-09 14:31 libusb-0.1.so.4 => /lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 (0x00007f6e69467000) 2011-06-09 14:32 tuxbrain: do you ship by fedex? 2011-06-09 14:33 yes 2011-06-09 14:34 can you low the declaration values for atben/atusb combo? 2011-06-09 14:34 libusb looks good. i have the same version (valgrind complains a little about it, but nothing that looks too serious) 2011-06-09 14:34 low i mean not ilgellay just to raw costs.. :-) 2011-06-09 14:35 tuxbrain: put a sticker "MADE IN CHINA" on is and divide the cost by 10 ;-) 2011-06-09 14:35 anyway i'll try convince other nanonote owner to get a pair :-) 2011-06-09 14:35 kristianpaul: let's talk this on private later, I must leave now, see you later :) 2011-06-09 14:35 sure np 2011-06-09 14:35 bye ! 2011-06-09 14:36 wpwrak: did tuxbrain already pass functional test? 2011-06-09 14:36 kristianpaul: there is no 'illegal' 2011-06-09 14:36 i wasnt able to follow all the backlog from you 2011-06-09 14:38 I'm not going to redefine the world here, but well, in business there are perfectly 'legitimate' (and legal) cases every day where valuations for the same thing differ dramatically 2011-06-09 14:38 yeah,surelly i'm misundertood that word for other reasons.. i think i got that word wrongÂ Â use now 2011-06-09 14:39 tax value, customs value, insurance value, price you paid - can all be totally different :-) 2011-06-09 14:39 nah it's ok, I know most people would feel like that 2011-06-09 14:39 kristianpaul: we're in the process of testing. seems that the atusb boards work so far (still don't know if the RF side is okay, though) 2011-06-09 14:39 kristianpaul: there is one mystery glitch in the tests i don't understand yet either 2011-06-09 14:40 numbers are twisted in all directions 2011-06-09 14:40 sometimes when the government doesn't like how much tax they can charge, they just slap a (higher of course) 'estimate' on you 2011-06-09 14:40 fully knowing that the estimate is higher than the actual cost, but so what. if it's the law it's the law. 2011-06-09 14:41 hmm, nokia's CTO threw the towel. they're going down faster than AF447 ... 2011-06-09 14:41 insurance values are yet another completely separate number. you may under or over-insure for all sorts of reasons. 2011-06-09 14:42 so be a good happy international business man. pay some amoutn X, put a completely different amoutn Y on the invoice, use whatever number suits your purposes :-) 2011-06-09 14:42 the other participants in the game will do the same thing, no worries :-) 2011-06-09 14:42 wolfspraul: (estimate) heh, tell me. they quite generously upped the value of the collection of plastic parts you sent me a while ago. something like USD 50. (meaning ~USD 25 for customs) 2011-06-09 14:43 that's what I'm saying 2011-06-09 14:43 everybody uses the number that suits their needs 2011-06-09 14:43 and there are all sorts of reasons and justifications for that 2011-06-09 14:43 of course, one could complain, but ... 2011-06-09 14:44 wolfspraul: having a fedex account may allow to reduce shipping costs some how? 2011-06-09 14:44 a lot, fedex has big discounts for volume customers 2011-06-09 14:44 just this week fedex opened a office just under the office in wich i work, so i was thinking go to ask.. 2011-06-09 14:45 30% or so, I would think it goes much higher if you send a lot 2011-06-09 14:45 like A LOT, like tens of thousands of packages per day 2011-06-09 14:45 you can go there, but at your volume the discounts will be small 2011-06-09 14:45 shame 2011-06-09 14:45 ok 2011-06-09 14:45 I am sending a few hundred packges with them, I think I get 30% 2011-06-09 14:45 or maybe even 1000 now, somehting like that. over the course of a year. 2011-06-09 14:45 'small business customer' probably, to them 2011-06-09 14:46 if you are Amazon, you can probably negotiate over every penny 2011-06-09 14:46 maybe if you register with them you can get 10% discount 2011-06-09 14:46 because you have an account and it will make communication, addressing etc. easier 2011-06-09 14:47 I think Adam gets 10% in Taipei after he did that 2011-06-09 14:47 cool 2011-06-09 14:47 i'll try then 2011-06-09 14:47 you should definitely try 2011-06-09 14:47 but keep your expectations low :-) it will still be very expensive 2011-06-09 14:47