2011-06-06 00:00 <wpwrak> hmm, "o" doesn't sound too bad
2011-06-06 00:01 <DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest upper half gfx, like inverse/underline/whatnot - but that's not what you want or need I kuess
2011-06-06 00:01 <wpwrak> i need the L/l conceptually, because i indicate the presence of a pull-up via the case. but L/o isn't too bad.
2011-06-06 00:01 <wpwrak> naw, this must work in ASCII :) if i had graphics, i'd do something completely different
2011-06-06 00:01 <DocScrutinizer> I got the concept, but also zhe immanent conflict
2011-06-06 00:02 <DocScrutinizer> not even VT100 ansi esc are ok for that purpose
2011-06-06 00:02 <wpwrak> there's quite a lot of information that has to go into a single character. no less than 10 states.
2011-06-06 00:03 <DocScrutinizer> though I'd honestly consider a cmdline option to enable ansi-colored output
2011-06-06 00:04 <wpwrak> naw, this is input. for output gets pretty-printed like this: http://pastebin.ca/2075293
2011-06-06 00:04 <DocScrutinizer> compare ls --color
2011-06-06 00:05 <DocScrutinizer> ok. I see
2011-06-06 00:05 <wpwrak> ls --color .. a horrible mess. basically unreadable.
2011-06-06 00:05 <DocScrutinizer> so o is good enough
2011-06-06 00:08 <wpwrak> yeah, let's try this. thanks !
2011-06-06 00:13 <DocScrutinizer> y
2011-06-06 00:13 <DocScrutinizer> w
2011-06-06 00:14 <DocScrutinizer> (damn, first my mouse breaks, then my laptop kbd refuses to work - this 4$ usb kbd is unbearable)
2011-06-06 00:14 <GNUtoo> ouch
2011-06-06 00:15 <GNUtoo> maybe usb issues?
2011-06-06 00:17 <DocScrutinizer> they forgot the lubricant in the keys, so they have a tactile characteristic like there's sand inside - at 7mm lift
2011-06-06 00:29 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: a case for WD-40 ? ;-)
2011-06-06 00:50 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/snd/controlC*
2011-06-06 00:50 <DocScrutinizer> ooops
2011-06-06 01:26 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10128
2011-06-06 01:33 <wpwrak> just when you think you've seen all possible layouts ... ;-)
2011-06-06 01:38 <DocScrutinizer> the best parts are  on that photo
2011-06-06 01:48 <DocScrutinizer> l2r/ud: "bloß wech" (esc),  "druggn" (prtscr), "rulln" (scroll), "Gschmarri" (BS), "Bildla nauf" (pgup), "Zoln" (numlck), "E-dzadla" (E/¬), "haddes" D, "Edzadla" (CR), "Bildla nunder"(pgdwn), "allwei groß" (sh-lck), "waiches" D, "groß \n glaa"(shift), C"lub", N"ermberch", "Gondroll"(ctl), "annersch"(Alt), "ganz annersch"(AltGr), riba, niba, nauf + nunder (cursor),  oooh, forgot "nei"(INS) and "wech"(DEL)
2011-06-06 01:49 <DocScrutinizer> err, sth strange happened, I meant to write "best parts are illegible on that photo"
2011-06-06 01:49 <wpwrak> naw, they're readable. but you have to download it. doesn't have a click-to-show-full-size
2011-06-06 01:51 <wpwrak> i don't get "edzadla". "etc." ?
2011-06-06 01:51 <DocScrutinizer> jetzt
2011-06-06 01:51 <DocScrutinizer> nun aber
2011-06-06 01:52 <wpwrak> hmm, weird. never heard such a word for "now"
2011-06-06 01:53 <DocScrutinizer> it's definitely Franken slang
2011-06-06 01:54 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: well, for the future you may want to consider this one then: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414LIh8feFL.jpg
2011-06-06 01:55 <DocScrutinizer> got some that almost look like that :-D
2011-06-06 01:55 <DocScrutinizer> it's amazing how much of the (laser-burnt) plasric wears off a heavily used kbd
2011-06-06 01:57 <wpwrak> my hhkbs are holding up quite well. it's probably more the cleaning than the typing that gets the print.
2011-06-06 01:57 <DocScrutinizer> cleaning? which cleaning? ;-)
2011-06-06 02:00 <wpwrak> yeah. your photo shows that too :)
2011-06-06 03:50 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: hi good morning! :-)
2011-06-06 03:51 <xiangfu> hi
2011-06-06 03:51 <wolfspraul> I think we shoudl delete all old versions from http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/
2011-06-06 03:51 <wolfspraul> what do you or others think?
2011-06-06 03:51 <wolfspraul> the old versions have no value, and are hard to distinguish/ignore for newcomers
2011-06-06 03:52 <wpwrak> you never know when they may be useful to track some regression
2011-06-06 03:53 <wolfspraul> true, and if there were an easy way to move them out of sight into a /obsolete/ folder or so I would prefer that
2011-06-06 03:53 <wpwrak> that's always an option :)
2011-06-06 03:53 <wolfspraul> but given that they are all in one flat list, protecting newcomers from being lost is of higher value
2011-06-06 03:54 <wolfspraul> we know the theoretical value of keeping old binaries around, no doubt
2011-06-06 03:54 <wpwrak> mkdir attic; mv * attic  then cherry-pick the good ones back doesn't sound all that hard
2011-06-06 03:54 <wolfspraul> but we also know practically the chances for that are very low, while the long list is frustrating for anybody who goes there and tries to understand and download the right one...
2011-06-06 03:54 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: it's a lovely web interface :-)
2011-06-06 03:54 <wolfspraul> I don't think Indefero supports the concept of folders in the downloads section
2011-06-06 03:56 <wpwrak> hah, web interfaces. making it easy to do the trival and impossible to do the difficult ;-)
2011-06-06 03:56 <wolfspraul> sure
2011-06-06 03:56 <wolfspraul> but that's the point, focus on what matters :-)
2011-06-06 03:57 <wolfspraul> if there is too much discussion, maybe I just take the lead, play benevolent dictator, and delete the old junk :-)
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/
2011-06-06 03:57 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: what do you think? your binaries after all :-)
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> xburst-tools have uploaded to Debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/xburst-tools
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> more info about xburst-tools: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Xburst-tools
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> (sorry) for typo.
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> I just found there is 'featured' xburst-tools have uploaded to Debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/xburst-tools
2011-06-06 03:57 <xiangfu> more info about xburst-tools: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Xburst-tools
2011-06-06 03:58 <xiangfu> oh~~. again. sorry.
2011-06-06 03:58 <wolfspraul> your release announcement pointed to the /downloads/ url http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-May/008071.html
2011-06-06 03:58 <wolfspraul> which is still where people may end up if the click on the 'downloads' tab
2011-06-06 03:58 <wpwrak> or maybe just undo http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/xburst-tools/README_FILES_MOVED.txt ? ;-)
2011-06-06 03:59 <wolfspraul> the value of those old xburst-tools binaries is very very low
2011-06-06 03:59 <wolfspraul> we all know this :-)
2011-06-06 03:59 <wolfspraul> so I am not hesitating to make a quality judgment
2011-06-06 03:59 <wolfspraul> who if not us...
2011-06-06 03:59 <wolfspraul> admittedly the value is not zero, but very close to zero
2011-06-06 04:00 <xiangfu> I just found 'Deprecated' 
2011-06-06 04:00 <xiangfu> which can put all those file to another link. let me do that fisrt. 
2011-06-06 04:00 <wolfspraul> yeah, sounds great!
2011-06-06 04:00 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-06-06 04:00 <wolfspraul> we know these binaries best, we have to make a quality judgment
2011-06-06 04:01 <wolfspraul> it's just a tiny reflashing tool, the chance that someone wants an old version of that (!) borders on insanity imho
2011-06-06 04:03 <wpwrak> yet it has a long history of bugs ...
2011-06-06 04:05 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: xburst-tools in Debian unstable - great! finally :-)
2011-06-06 04:06 <wolfspraul> now we can reflash the Ben from an IBM S390 mainframe, it seems...
2011-06-06 04:06 <xiangfu> done: check here again: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/
2011-06-06 04:07 <wolfspraul> well, I like it now ;-)
2011-06-06 04:07 <wolfspraul> let's hope nobody feels we are doing a 'bad thing' for moving the old binaries out of sight...
2011-06-06 04:07 <wolfspraul> if so, please speak up still
2011-06-06 04:08 <wolfspraul> for example I would never advocate this for the entire images. first the folder structure there is much cleaner, with 'latest' symlink etc.
2011-06-06 04:09 <wolfspraul> and then there are much more likely reasons someone wants to go at least one image back, if not multiple. because the chance of real regressions there is high, with so many packages going in and out, changes, etc.
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atudb/fw: disable the UART in ATUSB_GPIO http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e6f7d85
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c: various bug fixes and improvements http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/87e06b4
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: libatrf: add option to send a pulse with atrf_slp_tr http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1a3f169
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c: if ATUSB_GPIO fails, show the attempted setting http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a73a8a2
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-gpio/atusb.c (gpio): _exit after USB error, to avoid futile cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e9debdd
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: accept 'o' as an alias for 'l' http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/33b0400
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atben: changed 'l' to 'o' in all patterns http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e7dfb38
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/: new request ATUSB_SLP_TR to pulse SLP_TR http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e42203b
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: lib/atusb.c (atusb_slp_tr, atusb_driver): implemented SLP_TR pulse http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/52657ed
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/cwtest.c (cw_test_end): use reset also on USB devices http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2a4f7a1
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atben: quote command containing !, to make it easier to copy & paste http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/dea9730
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: added control commands; register read can now be masked http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/14215f5
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb: added GPIO test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/38a08c0
2011-06-06 04:11 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: updated for latest GPIO scan development http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/0eb5fb1
2011-06-06 04:12 <wpwrak> plus, someone may be running an older system, with incompatible dependencies
2011-06-06 04:52 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix MFD jz4740-ts entry http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8d5052a
2011-06-06 05:08 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/7968eee
2011-06-06 05:08 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a4f93b3
2011-06-06 05:36 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: centerim5: no need for DownloadMethod/git trickery http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ab0e616
2011-06-06 06:07 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Update gmenu2x.sh for install_locations changes http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/4b22318
2011-06-06 06:18 <kyak> i'm looking at input.conf for gmenu2x for Ben: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/source/tree/master/nanonote/input.conf
2011-06-06 06:19 <kyak> and trying to figure out any sense
2011-06-06 06:19 <kyak> it feels like keys are assigned randomly :)
2011-06-06 06:19 <kyak> and there is no way to remember it
2011-06-06 06:20 <kyak> and the biggest problem is that hints in gmenu2x are misleading
2011-06-06 06:20 <kyak> like "press B to save"
2011-06-06 06:20 <kyak> when there is no such binding in Ben at all
2011-06-06 06:25 <whitequark> the hints in gmenu2x are probably referring to gp2x keys
2011-06-06 06:26 <kyak> sure
2011-06-06 07:43 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Zero-pad hex values when saving config http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6646525
2011-06-06 07:45 <kyak> mth: found it --^ :)
2011-06-06 12:32 <wpwrak> hmm, protocol jokes. apparently, it started with "The great thing about TCP jokes is that you always get them." what followed was ... http://attrition.org/misc/ee/protolol.txt
2011-06-06 13:04 <jluis_> going home 
2011-06-06 13:08 <kyak> wpwrak: the sad thing about protolol.txt is that noone reads it from start to the end, otherwise they would've found a bunch of same jokes
2011-06-06 13:39 <wpwrak> kyak: you mean retransmissions ? :)
2011-06-06 14:57 <kyak> wpwrak: ha-ha :)
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] use IMG_PREFIX for image name http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/44bc580
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] define UIMAGE for various rootfs targets http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/29ba1ea
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] florian: [ep93xx] update to 2.6.39.1 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b5a33bb
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a37eea9
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0f43545
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c868d46
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c1dba4c
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cf4b099
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/dd385c4
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/797be6b
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a3d8a8b
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/83f076a
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fbaf655
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e74aa2b
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b35d1cf
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0942c36
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5e6fcae
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cbc84e1
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: uboot-xburst: don't install empty dir http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bce1b8d
2011-06-06 19:13 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/467647c
2011-06-06 19:22 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: add icons and shortcuts for allegro shooter demo and allegro setup program http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e5452e5
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b1a7200
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/402a517
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/807cc4b
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5f63507
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/eaaf0bd
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2703fe0
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed08699
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8d85716
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/21c6371
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1502cdd
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/89bf2df
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c27e043
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c1d7c81
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/328d74a
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0432ba5
2011-06-06 19:26 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-xburst into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3ab1444
2011-06-06 19:27 <dvdk> oops, maybe that was the wrong git command
2011-06-06 19:28 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: all allegro library, setup and demo program, add http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c295b45
2011-06-06 19:28 <kyak> dvdk: did you have anything to push?
2011-06-06 19:28 <dvdk> kyak: nope, not in openwrt-xburst (the config.full_system is nowadays in -packages, forgot that)
2011-06-06 19:29 <dvdk> hopefully, apart from the commit log messup i didn't commit any changes?
2011-06-06 19:29 <kyak> btw, there is no need to push packages as =m
2011-06-06 19:29 <kyak> they are built anyway due to CONFIG_ALL
2011-06-06 19:29 <dvdk> well spotted, i just copied from my local config, guess =y is correct.  fixing
2011-06-06 19:29 <kyak> we should keep only =y there
2011-06-06 19:30 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: add liballegro stuff into image (=y>, not as module (=m) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ef9bfac
2011-06-06 19:31 <dvdk> now we can start porting liballegro games :)
2011-06-06 19:31 <dvdk> btw, try the allegro demo.  very nice sound (sw synthesized midi)
2011-06-06 19:31 <kyak> sure, it's interesting :)
2011-06-06 19:32 <Jay7> hm..
2011-06-06 21:07 <whitequark> thinks about linux.conf.au
2011-06-06 21:52 <mth> kyak: by the way, good that you found the gmenu2x skin bug
2011-06-06 21:52 <mth> I thought the alpha might be the problem, but it was actually a lack of red ;)
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: option -c to cycle through the pattern sequence with pass/fail input http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/7a2e091
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio.c: rename anything "reg_op" to "command" http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/533dc58
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-gpio: cleaned up usage http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/8f20b1f
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb (led): added the LED test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/ba6dd86
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/test.hmac: we now also have the LED test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9a32c66
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-path: accept keyboard input both from stdin and SDL http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6ca63fc
2011-06-06 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: atrf-path now accepts keypresses from all the usual places http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/90ee726
2011-06-06 23:33 <DocScrutinizer> sells wpwrak an 'o'
2011-06-06 23:34 <tuxbrain> knock knock can I come in?
2011-06-06 23:34 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: are you awake?
2011-06-06 23:34 <DocScrutinizer> HEYA welcome
2011-06-06 23:35 <DocScrutinizer> qi-bot says he is
2011-06-06 23:35 <wpwrak> oh dear. that flu must be getting really bad. now i'm seeing ghosts !!
2011-06-06 23:35 <DocScrutinizer> flu EEEW
2011-06-06 23:35 <DocScrutinizer> runs
2011-06-06 23:35 <tuxbrain> heheheh I was hidden not dead , b%&tard
2011-06-06 23:36 <tuxbrain> :)
2011-06-06 23:36 <tuxbrain> hey you know what I'm testing the atben and atusb
2011-06-06 23:36 <tuxbrain> the prototipes 
2011-06-06 23:36 <tuxbrain> but I get stucked on the make spectrum part
2011-06-06 23:36 <wpwrak> i was starting to wonder if the spanish government has maybe started to "disappear" people
2011-06-06 23:37 <tuxbrain> is trhouws a black window and nothing els
2011-06-06 23:37 <wpwrak> ah, what's the problem with the spectrum ?
2011-06-06 23:37 <tuxbrain> else
2011-06-06 23:37 <wpwrak> hmm. it should show a little line, too
2011-06-06 23:37 <wpwrak> does it spit out an error after a while ?
2011-06-06 23:37 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: you built a small scanner to wpan?
2011-06-06 23:37 <tuxbrain> yeah, I too coward to catch their atention
2011-06-06 23:38 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: not yet
2011-06-06 23:38 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: read the fine manual ;-) (towards the end) /home/qi/ben-wpan/prod/doc/test.html
2011-06-06 23:38 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh
2011-06-06 23:39 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: hmm, which firmware are you running ? maybe it needs updating. the latest is ...
2011-06-06 23:39 <DocScrutinizer> less: file not found: /home/qi
2011-06-06 23:39 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: I must supose it take a while?
2011-06-06 23:39 <wpwrak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/bindist/atusb-38a08c0.bin
2011-06-06 23:39 <tuxbrain> I have just flashed with whatever are in the instructions 
2011-06-06 23:40 <wpwrak> if the spectrum works, the line should appear nearly instantly (< 1 s). but if it doesn't work, it can take a while before you get an error
2011-06-06 23:40 <tuxbrain> yes was that one
2011-06-06 23:40 <wpwrak> perfect :)
2011-06-06 23:40 <tuxbrain> so it doen't work at least in the arm based laptop
2011-06-06 23:40 <wpwrak> you may also want to pull the latest test scripts. i just added the last missing pieces.
2011-06-06 23:41 <tuxbrain> all installation is fresh from an hour ago
2011-06-06 23:41 <wpwrak> the last commit is just some 5 min old :) haven't even sent the update to the mailing list 
2011-06-06 23:41 <wpwrak> well, last push. the commits are a bit older
2011-06-06 23:42 <tuxbrain> what was the command to refresh the git? (oh lord I'm so oxidated)
2011-06-06 23:43 <wpwrak> in the "make spectrum", when you press "Q" to quit, you'll get another window (for the opposite direction). does that one also fail to work ? 
2011-06-06 23:43 <wpwrak> git pull
2011-06-06 23:43 <wpwrak> then cd tools
2011-06-06 23:43 <wpwrak> make clean all install
2011-06-06 23:43 <wpwrak> make TARGET=ben_openwrt clean all upload
2011-06-06 23:46 <tuxbrain> no reaction to q nor d
2011-06-06 23:46 <wpwrak> ah, you have to do this with the focus in the window
2011-06-06 23:46 <tuxbrain> it has
2011-06-06 23:47 <tuxbrain> it has the focus
2011-06-06 23:47 <wpwrak> that is, until you install the latest version, which will also accept input from the console :)
2011-06-06 23:47 <wpwrak> hmm, then it's stuck
2011-06-06 23:47 <tuxbrain> maybe your code is no ARM proof
2011-06-06 23:47 <tuxbrain> I will redo on the desktop
2011-06-06 23:52 <wpwrak> before starting the spectrum setup again, let's do a few preliminary checks too
2011-06-06 23:52 <tuxbrain> ok
2011-06-06 23:53 <wpwrak> 1) is the ben connected and reachable via "ping ben" ? (or if you have it another name, did you set that name in Makefile (ATBEN_DUT and ATUSB_REF) ?
2011-06-06 23:53 <wpwrak> 2) did you stop the kernel's MMC driver on the ben ?  echo jz4740-mmc.0 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/jz4740-mmc/unbind
2011-06-06 23:54 <wpwrak> 2a) does the kernel contain the WPAN code with the at86rf230/1 driver ?
2011-06-06 23:54 <tuxbrain> ping ben ok
2011-06-06 23:54 <wpwrak> 2b) if yes, did you disable it immediately after booting ? echo spi2.0 >/sys/bus/spi/drivers/at86rf230/unbind
2011-06-06 23:55 <wpwrak> (if the asnwer to 2a is "no", that's good. you don't need the kernel code for the testing)
2011-06-06 23:57 <wpwrak> (if you're just running a regular distribution kernel, it won't have the wpan driver, so you only need to knock out the mmc driver)