2011-06-02 00:00 There's a lot of things that I'm very unhappy with, with computing 2011-06-02 00:00 Oh 2011-06-02 00:00 wolfsprau 2011-06-02 00:00 wolfspraul* 2011-06-02 00:00 why unhappy? about what? 2011-06-02 00:01 Hum 2011-06-02 00:01 It's like everything was going in the very wrong way because of commercial stuffs 2011-06-02 00:02 Cloud computing, smartphones,etc.. 2011-06-02 00:02 like above, maybe you think too much 2011-06-02 00:02 the tech industry is quite self-referential sometimes 2011-06-02 00:02 but actually it's only a small part of life 2011-06-02 00:02 Hum 2011-06-02 00:02 so if the marketing departments of a few companies are working in overdrive, so what? 2011-06-02 00:03 Maybe you're right wolfspraul 2011-06-02 00:03 also I think journalism is going through a lot of changes 2011-06-02 00:03 What would it takes to reduce the production cost of the NanoNote down or close to the hypotetical price of the Raspbery Pi ? 2011-06-02 00:03 Journalism ? 2011-06-02 00:03 and we need it to come out well, 'we' not as tech poeple, but for society 2011-06-02 00:04 yes sure, journalism 2011-06-02 00:04 newspaper subscriptions falling like a rock 2011-06-02 00:04 so a lot of what you read is written by companies for marketing reasons 2011-06-02 00:04 don't take it too serious :-) 2011-06-02 00:05 meanwhile new forms of paying for independent journalism are growing slower than the old ones are disappearing - right now 2011-06-02 00:05 so naturally in a lot of places you actually look at advertisement now 2011-06-02 00:05 because you talk about 'smartphones/cloud computing' 2011-06-02 00:05 the media are full of it, because they copy/paste articles written by companies with vested interests in this 2011-06-02 00:06 Oh ok 2011-06-02 00:06 but no matter how much they repeat the same thing, I'm sure >90% of people don't give a damn, they just wait and see what actually works for them 2011-06-02 00:06 Hum that explains 2011-06-02 00:06 which is typically maybe 1% of what marketing claims, no? :-) 2011-06-02 00:06 well this is my thinking 2011-06-02 00:06 I'm all relaxed 2011-06-02 00:07 Haha 2011-06-02 00:07 I survived the Symbian dark age 2011-06-02 00:07 the Symbian dark age was a time where seemingly everybody agreed that Symbian = smartphone 2011-06-02 00:07 Symbian = great apps 2011-06-02 00:07 Symbian = great for developers 2011-06-02 00:07 only problem, it was all not true 2011-06-02 00:07 end users knew, because nobody used those smartphones for anything but phone calls, because... 2011-06-02 00:08 your guess :-) 2011-06-02 00:08 the other stuff didn't work :-) 2011-06-02 00:08 finally we made it through the Symbian dark age 2011-06-02 00:08 and who remembers all the wild claims they made back then, on good pay? nobody... 2011-06-02 00:08 because it doesn't matter 2011-06-02 00:09 Hehe indeed 2011-06-02 00:09 Why was it great for developers ? 2011-06-02 00:09 it wasn't 2011-06-02 00:09 Ah ok sorry 2011-06-02 00:09 but it's very hard when you go against the 'commonly accepted wisdom', at that time 2011-06-02 00:09 Propaganda from the past still fools me 2011-06-02 00:09 maybe that's how you feel right now about cloud, smartphone, etc. 2011-06-02 00:09 Hum yeah 2011-06-02 00:10 but you are just arguing with an imagined enemy 2011-06-02 00:10 maybe your own fears 2011-06-02 00:10 Is Android still equal to "code in Java or die" ? 2011-06-02 00:10 try to talk to someone on the street, they will agree with you about 'cloud computing' :-) 2011-06-02 00:10 Haha 2011-06-02 00:10 My cousin does but he's an ingeneer 2011-06-02 00:10 it's cool, no? computers in the clouds now? great! 2011-06-02 00:11 hahaha 2011-06-02 00:11 what do you do on a perfectly sunny day? 2011-06-02 00:11 no computing? 2011-06-02 00:11 makes sense! can enjoy the beach then! 2011-06-02 00:11 yeah, this is great stuff 2011-06-02 00:12 Hum 2011-06-02 00:12 yes I think in Android you need to code in Java 2011-06-02 00:12 Well maybe I just need to relax 2011-06-02 00:12 Oh damn :( 2011-06-02 00:12 I'll just focus on complaining about gnome 3 then :P 2011-06-02 00:13 Something funny I see on forums theses days 2011-06-02 00:13 Everybody is talking about forking Gnome 2 but nobody is doing it. I think I can understand why :P 2011-06-02 00:14 the Internet seems to becoming a cluster of talkers 2011-06-02 00:14 Also yeah 2011-06-02 00:14 I've noticed the quality of comments sections in online publications to go down dramatically in recent years 2011-06-02 00:14 But also Gnome 2 is a seriously heavy project, I don't need (and can't) to dive into such an amount of code. 2011-06-02 00:14 now you basically have a competition between extremist opinionists 2011-06-02 00:15 people who have nothing to do, and I guess draw satisfaction from this sports 2011-06-02 00:15 the only thing the reader can get from it is that sometimes those comments are so freaking extreme that you just have to laugh 2011-06-02 00:17 Hum 2011-06-02 00:18 Still you haven't aswered my question about the NanoNote wolfspraul :P 2011-06-02 00:18 ah sorry, one sec 2011-06-02 00:18 No problem 2011-06-02 00:19 hmm 2011-06-02 00:19 the raspberry pi is an announcement only now 2011-06-02 00:19 it's basically yet another proprietary breakout board 2011-06-02 00:20 if he can use the software stack from the chip maker 1:1, then his cost should stay under control 2011-06-02 00:20 it has no screen, no keyboard 2011-06-02 00:20 Software stack ? 2011-06-02 00:20 kernel mostly 2011-06-02 00:20 ok 2011-06-02 00:21 with the current ingredients, we cannot bring the nanonote to 25 USD 2011-06-02 00:21 25usb still is super good 2011-06-02 00:21 Hum 2011-06-02 00:21 usd sorry 2011-06-02 00:21 maybe 49 is possible, it would require higher volume which would require more orders which would require a much more valuable software experience 2011-06-02 00:22 let's say I make 10K units of 49USD nanos now, can I sell 10K units? I doubt it. 2011-06-02 00:23 I'm deeply thinking theses days about how the NanoNote can do what the Raspberry Pi can't. For now it only need a good doc for kids... still 100usd is too expensive for 2011-06-02 00:23 -for 2011-06-02 00:23 Even me, I'm not poor but I know my parents would have chocked if I told them the price of the NanoNote 2011-06-02 00:24 I think a cheap Android phone with touchscreen is not bad, no? 2011-06-02 00:24 production cost is about 30 USD, so they should exist in Europe for ca. 50 USD I would think 2011-06-02 00:25 underground China import channels of course 2011-06-02 00:25 I don't know, you already told me about that. I'm skeptical about the touchscreen, why not a keyboard like the Blackberry ? 2011-06-02 00:25 ah I said the same thing earlier, great 2011-06-02 00:25 I passed the consistency check :-) 2011-06-02 00:25 hehe 2011-06-02 00:26 I thin keyboards will go away 2011-06-02 00:26 over time 2011-06-02 00:26 I honeslty think that a ZX Spectrum look alike NanoNote (composite out, usb in) would definitely outburst the Raspberry. 2011-06-02 00:26 the reason I like it on the NanoNote is because it was what we could really pull off at the time, and make a lot of good free software (not Android) usable 2011-06-02 00:26 Oh how sad :( 2011-06-02 00:26 but in the long run, over years, I cannot see how it won't all move to capacitive touch or some other even better touch technology 2011-06-02 00:27 that's yet another big challenge for free software, we'll get to it 2011-06-02 00:27 how sad --> keyboard disapearing 2011-06-02 00:28 if you are typing away on a piece of glass, what's the difference? 2011-06-02 00:28 if I think about my experience with keyboards, I started training how to type with an old typewrite of my parents, before I had my first computer 2011-06-02 00:28 because I wanted to be able to type when the great day arrived and I got my first computer :-) 2011-06-02 00:28 those were big clunky keys! 2011-06-02 00:29 have to press down 2 cm or so, even more 2011-06-02 00:29 crazy 2011-06-02 00:29 then the first keyboards arrived, and they were also clunky 2011-06-02 00:29 then the keys got lighter and lighter 2011-06-02 00:30 the notebook keyboard I'm typing on now doesn't require much pressure at all. if it were a flat glass, ok I would have no tactile feedback. so? 2011-06-02 00:30 do I really need that or did I just become used to it over the years? 2011-06-02 00:30 if you try with a 5-year old now, would they miss the keys? or just happily type away on the glass? 2011-06-02 00:30 wolfspraul, you mean on all devices or only mobiles one ? 2011-06-02 00:30 Also, if childrens need to have a computer to learn about computing, the hardware need to stay the same as long as possible. Goal is to educate, not to make money and make a new machine every 6months. That's something incompatible (unfortunately) with a lot (all?) of companies. 2011-06-02 00:30 well wait 2011-06-02 00:31 capacitive touch is here to stay too 2011-06-02 00:31 you run some wires, build up a field 2011-06-02 00:31 I don't think you can do blind typing without tactile feedback 2011-06-02 00:31 have a little firmware running at a few megahertz measuring changes to the field, and computing where you pressed 2011-06-02 00:31 and non-blind typing will likely be slower than blind 2011-06-02 00:31 but over 90% of people probably can't type blind anyway 2011-06-02 00:32 hum interesting point from mth 2011-06-02 00:32 but 2011-06-02 00:33 afair I've seen works on virtual keyboard on touch screen made for blind typing 2011-06-02 00:33 with positionate and rotate the screen depending on where you type on the screen 2011-06-02 00:33 I like to try new things. If someone would give me a glass/touch keyboard as a replacement of my notebook keyboard, I would put it in right away and try for a few weeks 2011-06-02 00:34 But still is no tactile feedback yes 2011-06-02 00:34 but it's a bit too early for that I think 2011-06-02 00:34 Yeah I don't know, I may sounds old for saying so but I don't want to change that habits at least for me. 2011-06-02 00:34 I can imagine typing away on glass. 2011-06-02 00:35 I tried it on an iPad in a store, it's weird 2011-06-02 00:36 But maybe I would have no troubles after a few days ? I don't know really. 2011-06-02 00:36 we all don't know until we try :-) 2011-06-02 00:37 I would not want to go back to the types of keyboards I had in the 90's 2011-06-02 00:37 Yeah 2011-06-02 00:37 That must be Asperger or something but so far I hate changing my habbits :P 2011-06-02 00:38 http://www.dansdata.com/images/clicky/ballboard1024.jpg 2011-06-02 00:38 do I want to go back there? no. compared to that my keyboard now is already 80% flatter, remove another 20% and I'm on a flat glass surface... 2011-06-02 00:38 Also Linux maybe need to get rid of X in order to be ready for multitouch ? 2011-06-02 00:40 wolfspraul, I'm typing on this http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT1171/HT1171_01-wireless_keyboard-001-fr.png 2011-06-02 00:40 And so far I don't mind staying with this :/ 2011-06-02 00:41 he, nice 2011-06-02 00:41 haha 2011-06-02 00:41 But I need to try the dvorak fr key arrangment 2011-06-02 00:41 maybe Apple will force upgrade you one day 2011-06-02 00:41 forced happiness 2011-06-02 00:41 I'm sure they'll do 2011-06-02 00:42 "forced happiness" that's the worst combinaison of words I ever saw 2011-06-02 00:44 Someone here is asking me to go to sleep 2011-06-02 00:44 I have to go then 2011-06-02 00:44 thanks wolfspraul :) 2011-06-02 00:45 see you 2011-06-02 01:34 wow this is nice http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Neue-Nanonote-Firmware-verbessert-Booten-und-Video 2011-06-02 01:34 did anybody talk to them or did they write this themselves? 2011-06-02 01:34 I'm surprised because at least I didn't do anything, and they must have picked this up from somewhere, maybe xiangfu's announcement mail on the list 2011-06-02 01:35 11:14 < dvdk> http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Neue-Nanonote-Firmware-verbessert-Booten-und-Video 2011-06-02 01:36 yes but where does it come from? they are subscribed to the list and saw xiangfu's mail and then wrote this themselves? that'd be pretty cool... 2011-06-02 01:36 233139-11:14 < dvdk> hey, the freshmeat release announcement triggered an article in linux-magazine.de :) 2011-06-02 01:36 233141-11:14 < dvdk> so this is what freshmeat is good for :) 2011-06-02 01:37 ah, interesting. thanks! 2011-06-02 01:37 233144-11:17 < dvdk> same story on http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Nanonote-Firmware-bootet-schneller 2011-06-02 01:37 233145-11:17 < dvdk> wolfspraul: ^ might want to link that from the wiki 2011-06-02 01:37 :-) 2011-06-02 01:38 added http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/What_others_are_saying#2011 2011-06-02 01:38 draft only, will cleanup later 2011-06-02 01:39 but that's more important is to document the root event, so that's freshmeat here I guess 2011-06-02 01:39 let me find the url... 2011-06-02 01:40 must be this one http://freshmeat.net/projects/nanonote-firmware/releases/332587 2011-06-02 01:40 ok next time we have software updates, we need to make sure there is an announcement on freshmeat 2011-06-02 01:40 hey, i dint knewt it about sftp. thats good 2011-06-02 01:42 maybe we should make a milkymist-firmware project too on freshmeat 2011-06-02 01:42 and when there's an update, post an announcement there with a nice summary/changelog 2011-06-02 01:42 good idea 2011-06-02 01:46 the linux-magazin.de post brought about 750 visitors or so, that's nice as every visitor matters 2011-06-02 01:46 makes me want to go back to the qi-hardware.com homepage and bring it to a much higher level in cleanliness etc... 2011-06-02 01:47 I think it can be far more seductive and interesting still :-) 2011-06-02 02:00 Your project has been submitted for verification. This process typically takes less than 24 hours. (Milkymist on Freshmeat.net) 2011-06-02 02:00 :) 2011-06-02 02:23 xiangfu: nice! 2011-06-02 02:34 hum, i dont see the in ICD- GPS-200 the ionosphere word... may be they just call it diferent ;) 2011-06-02 02:45 argg, my fault, missing capital letter.. 2011-06-02 02:46 how is the GPS data analysis going? I mean from the live data you capture, can you tell anything already? 2011-06-02 02:48 well, same, still on Pull-in state, so no tracking yet 2011-06-02 02:48 Pull-in is third state for channels in osgps 2011-06-02 02:49 now checking i have a good/proper setup of osgps, like update alamanac and utc, now checking ionosphere model parameters 2011-06-02 02:50 so no mor updates so far wolfspraul :-) 2011-06-02 02:51 I'm a glass half-full guy, so 'third state' sounds good 2011-06-02 02:51 :-) 2011-06-02 02:51 I guess first and second state already passed, so there is light at the end of the tunnel 2011-06-02 02:51 :-) 2011-06-02 02:52 or maybe first state is only "successful fopen()" and second state is "successfully read into ram"? 2011-06-02 02:52 better don't tell me... 2011-06-02 02:53 also i can ping Clifford Kelley (osgps developer), but i need be sure i have a good explanation of my issue, wich acording last conversation this format i'm using per byte (IIQQIIQQ)Â Â is keep i should not have problems 2011-06-02 02:54 no no, nothing about fopen and such 2011-06-02 02:54 wolfspraul: http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/OSGPS_chapter_4.pdf page 4 2011-06-02 03:03 great link, thanks! 2011-06-02 03:03 of course I was joking about my states... 2011-06-02 03:10 no, is okay, actually i found in osgps code, some values were harcoded to fix another sige fronted sampling clock, so well, i need to keep in mind too just in case 2011-06-02 03:40 [commit] Sergey Kukunin: Add powersaver class http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/240286d 2011-06-02 05:02 hello everyone 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Removed unused code and restricted access. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b6a5d89 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: Refactored string drawing methods. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b2896d6 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Removed duplicate constructor. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/52c89d6 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:gmenu2x http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/af3ed78 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: SurfaceCollection: Removed alpha flag. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/44ca4e3 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Remove alpha flag. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7877fee 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: PNG: Make loadPNG() responsible for creating an RGBA surface. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b17e2e 2011-06-02 05:21 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed bug: wallpaper does not use alpha channel. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/5b6d922 2011-06-02 05:40 who could please create me a folder in http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people? 2011-06-02 06:24 hello everyone ;) 2011-06-02 07:31 DocScrutinizer: (energy harvesting) victor asked me whether it would be possible to strap an RF-equipped sensor (with very low duty cycle of course) on a power cord and i wanted to find out if there's really enough power there to do something useful with it. 2011-06-02 07:33 hmmm, interesting 2011-06-02 07:34 wpwrak: well, there are RF lightswitches to stick on the wall and power is from piezo when pressing the switch, so... 2011-06-02 07:35 (piezo) oh, that's nice. didn' 2011-06-02 07:35 t know of these 2011-06-02 07:35 of course, all proprietary system/protocols, i guess ? 2011-06-02 07:35 sure 2011-06-02 07:36 \o/ my 10min experimental art shortmovie is almost uploaded 2011-06-02 07:36 took only like 6h 2011-06-02 07:36 wow 2011-06-02 07:37 is waiting for "Sorry, file too large for OVI" ;-P 2011-06-02 07:38 hollywood will hate you. a 1:36 movie to production ratio would mean that a 1.5 hours move should be done within 7 days :) 2011-06-02 07:38 244MB, it got to ~200MB when my DSL had reconnect and OVI-share upload started new instantly - smart sucker 2011-06-02 07:39 wpwrak: it's spontaneous art, a live act with N900 the main character :-) 2011-06-02 07:40 actually I think you'd have a hard time coding this if you planned 2011-06-02 07:40 even with soundtrack ;-D 2011-06-02 07:41 is wondering if he can find a purchase receipt for asking Logitech for a MX Revolution replacement 2011-06-02 07:42 damn critter should last longer than 3..4 years, at a price tag of almost 90EUR 2011-06-02 07:43 phew. the cost of the logistics of filing all receipts for that long would probably exceed that value ;-) 2011-06-02 07:45 glares furiously at that OMRON D2C-F-7N horseshit, which is infamous for breaking after 1y avg 2011-06-02 07:46 not that the SMT switches used in MX Rev are any much better 2011-06-02 07:54 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: 4th: remove BROKEN http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/56f94ee 2011-06-02 07:54 DocScrutinizer: what prevents you from replacing the switches yourself? 2011-06-02 07:55 the fact I did that last time like 6 months ago 2011-06-02 07:55 maybe you should get better replacement switches? :) 2011-06-02 07:56 (movie) no error msg, just got silently redirected to /dev/null :-( 2011-06-02 07:57 whitequark: indeed, but for the SMT ones the replacement sucks, and for the microswitches it's not really easy to find an exactly fitting better replacement 2011-06-02 07:59 wolfspraul: (kbd) you could try a "flat keyboard" experience already with exiting technology. there are those laser keyboards that just use a table. e.g., this one (alas out of stock) http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ 2011-06-02 08:00 heard it sucks 2011-06-02 08:00 me too 2011-06-02 08:01 and then you want me to try? 2011-06-02 08:01 but wolfgang thinks keyboard without tactile feedback may be great 2011-06-02 08:01 hehehe 2011-06-02 08:01 ooh 2011-06-02 08:01 and he hates those http://www.dansdata.com/images/clicky/ballboard1024.jpg 2011-06-02 08:01 which are ironically some of the most sought-after by people who type a lot :) 2011-06-02 08:01 nah :-) I said none of those things 2011-06-02 08:01 the reason I don't want tablets nor phones w/o hw-kbd 2011-06-02 08:02 I said I don't want to go back to that one 2011-06-02 08:02 wpwrak: are you using one of those? 2011-06-02 08:02 yes, I like the easier to type notebook keyboard I have now better than those old ones 2011-06-02 08:02 i use the HHKB, which is somethat similar. i know the ibm keyboards and i loved them. 2011-06-02 08:03 back then. but now we have something better :-) 2011-06-02 08:03 wow IBM kbd *with trackball* ??? 2011-06-02 08:03 anyway everybody can choose whatever they like. I don't see a point of pressing hard being good. 2011-06-02 08:03 zero tactile feedback is another matter 2011-06-02 08:03 and I didn't say I like that, I said I would like to try 2011-06-02 08:04 the layout of HHKB is a bit similar to that apple keyboard. even more compact, though. and more unix-ish 2011-06-02 08:04 (like to try) that's why i mentioned it - you can already try it :) 2011-06-02 08:05 if it's bad there is no need to try 2011-06-02 08:05 I wait until you tell me there is one with zero tactile feedback that is good because you tried, and then I will try 2011-06-02 08:05 how about that? 2011-06-02 08:05 isn't a kbd with zero tactile fb exactly what you get on any tablet? 2011-06-02 08:06 I don't think they are ready for fast 10-finger typing, not sure 2011-06-02 08:06 I don't want my keyboard to slow me down, in fact I want my keyboard to make me speed up as much as posible 2011-06-02 08:06 nor will they ever be 2011-06-02 08:06 so I would choose the one where my typing speed is fastest, done 2011-06-02 08:06 :-) 2011-06-02 08:07 on small devices you have to compromise :) and indeed, there's where is see most potential for non-feedback keyboard. below a certain size, you basically can't win. 2011-06-02 08:08 but then, if you consider things like the OQO keyboard, you can go pretty small and it still feels good 2011-06-02 08:08 if a flat, no-feedback keyboard that supports full 10 finger typing comes out, and I can type faster on it than on my current notebook kbd, I'll switch 2011-06-02 08:08 that's basically my point 2011-06-02 08:08 and until that comes out, I continue on my notebook keyboard :-) 2011-06-02 08:08 anyway, printing and tinkering a paper kbd together is a nice weekend project : use tin foil and/or silver varnish to get the electrodes, and attach a simple sensitive matrix scanner 2011-06-02 08:09 i think you need some form of feedback for fast typing. just seeing that you messed up on the screen probably isn't enough. besides, that means that you can basically type blindly 2011-06-02 08:10 part of the feedback could perhaps be static. e.g. a shaped surface that lets you feel whether you're at the right position or not 2011-06-02 08:11 of course, a shaped touch screen would be a hard sell ;-) 2011-06-02 08:11 hmm, you can inplement this to my paperkbd as well :-) 2011-06-02 08:11 DocScrutinizer: looking forward to your paper keyboard movie then ;-) 2011-06-02 08:11 meh, I'm not interested in such a type of kbd 2011-06-02 08:16 (movie) the html upload page on OVI has a little note "not more than 100MB per file" :-/ 2011-06-02 08:21 DocScrutinizer: I can offer you a spare server you can upload your movie to 2011-06-02 08:22 whitequark: thanks, got a server. just no "website" so it's not that attractive to try and watch a movie there. Pondering youtube... :-/ 2011-06-02 08:23 never uploaded *anything* to YT 2011-06-02 08:23 nfc 2011-06-02 08:23 DocScrutinizer: I heard vimeo is much more friendly 2011-06-02 08:24 I've seen a lot of movies like that there 2011-06-02 08:26 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: reflash_ben.sh: add -b -k -r to help message http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/35f5151 2011-06-02 08:28 you can upload Ogg Theora to qi-hardware.com 2011-06-02 08:28 of course youtube/vimeo etc. are dedicated platforms and probably have 1000 features... 2011-06-02 08:52 vimeo has problems to get their verification mail thru openmoko.org spamfiler :-/ 2011-06-02 08:52 that's such a PITA with these registrations 2011-06-02 08:54 ahem, a sane SA install should just mark mail as spam IMO, and then your client may filter it 2011-06-02 08:54 at least that's how it works in my setup 2011-06-02 08:55 not my setup, not my SA 2011-06-02 08:57 I actually don't want to know how many spams run in every minute on joerg@open moko org 2011-06-02 08:58 chinese hacked gmail again X-P 2011-06-02 09:15 I'm not surprised at all by the Chinese hacks 2011-06-02 09:15 they will attack any resource in the free Internet that they can identify as a worthwhile target 2011-06-02 09:16 good thing that we always anticipated worst case malitious behavior when designing everything 2011-06-02 09:16 so the Chinese are welcome to play the bad boys now, I am confident about the survival of the free Internet 2011-06-02 09:16 Alice and Bob... 2011-06-02 09:16 wolfspraul: why are you saying it like the chinese hackers are special somehow? 2011-06-02 09:17 because they are sponsored by the Chinese government 2011-06-02 09:17 so it's a large and homogenous group 2011-06-02 09:17 and simply other than the Chinese government there is no entity on earth that would attempt something like that 2011-06-02 09:17 even if some leaders in some other countries may feel similar, say Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Libya, etc. etc. 2011-06-02 09:17 oh. never heard about that. why would Chinese government want this? 2011-06-02 09:17 but they don't have the guts and resources to actually pull off attacks 2011-06-02 09:18 because the free Internet threatens the stability of mainland China 2011-06-02 09:18 they already have their great firewall, isn't that enough? 2011-06-02 09:18 yes and no 2011-06-02 09:18 first there are many holes 2011-06-02 09:19 which they keep plugging, so the (free) Internet experience keeps getting worse and worse 2011-06-02 09:19 I think if the separation were perfect, they would not attack resources outside. 2011-06-02 09:20 but it's not perfect, so they attack 2011-06-02 09:20 well they might even attack in a perfectly separated scenario, that's pure speculation though 2011-06-02 09:21 this is a weird way. like saying "if we can't control internet in China, then let's destroy it entirely" 2011-06-02 09:22 oh absolutely. the need for control of the Internet in China is without question. 2011-06-02 09:22 the Chinese government will do _whatever they can_ to create full control over the Internet in China 2011-06-02 09:22 all the way to completely separating the inside from the outside, or attacking things on the outside if that is not possible 2011-06-02 10:04 there are also mere spying purposes for doing that - gmail probably driven 50/50 by spy and counter-dissident 2011-06-02 10:05 I mean, attacking German gvmt directly and with high precision can't be related much to controlling their mega-LAN 2011-06-02 10:06 Western companies other than IT also not exactly related to censorship and hunting chinese opposition 2011-06-02 10:07 s/IT/IT as a target of centalized attacks from China/ 2011-06-02 10:07 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: liballegro: fix demo and setup programs for 32bpp video mode; move data-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/77f424b 2011-06-02 10:07 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/3fe0b2e 2011-06-02 10:09 plus then of course it's an accepted fact WW3 won't use nukes but viruses and trojans 2011-06-02 10:11 funny enough first threat (forgot the name... S.*?), to those Siemens SPS, been driven by Isreal/USA 2011-06-02 10:14 DocScrutinizer: Stuxnet 2011-06-02 10:14 yep 2011-06-02 10:14 that sounds even more funny in Russian, like "it will rot" 2011-06-02 10:17 wolfspraul: so there is another question you may know answer to. I always wanted to develop hardware, particularly digital stuff with microcontrollers (FPGA's too) 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: cleanups in text write methods. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/1bc5539 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: merged SFontPlus class into ASFont class. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b4f3cde 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: removed duplication of horizontal alignment code. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/bff04d2 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:gmenu2x http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8592038 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed debug print. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/db5ebff 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: only convert font surface if it is not already in a 32bpp format. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/41e6e46 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: access font pixels efficiently. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/a382a42 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add color ash shell, add the method to gmenu2x.sh as comment http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e0831be 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: fix setfont path http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6087e23 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: using color font http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b068aa0 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Removed unused code and restricted access. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b6a5d89 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: ASFont: Refactored string drawing methods. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b2896d6 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Removed duplicate constructor. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/52c89d6 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Sergey Kukunin: Add powersaver class http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/240286d 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:gmenu2x http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/af3ed78 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: SurfaceCollection: Removed alpha flag. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/44ca4e3 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Surface: Remove alpha flag. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7877fee 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: PNG: Make loadPNG() responsible for creating an RGBA surface. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b17e2e 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed bug: wallpaper does not use alpha channel. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/5b6d922 2011-06-02 10:17 [commit] Ayla: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:gmenu2x into install_locations http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/ef4b012 2011-06-02 10:17 what is the best way to learn doing that? 2011-06-02 10:18 'digital stuff with microcontrollers', hmm 2011-06-02 10:18 you mean you want to design and manufacture a small embedded system? 2011-06-02 10:18 like Werner did with the ben-wpan boards? 2011-06-02 10:19 he is making 2-layer PCB at home, plus PCB antenna design 2011-06-02 10:19 or you mean purely the programmable fpga part, on an existing board? 2011-06-02 10:20 I don't understand how 'digital stuff with microcontrollers' and 'fpga' connect together... 2011-06-02 10:20 what kind of app/use case do you have in mind? 2011-06-02 10:20 wolfspraul: I don't think I can really do the full cycle for some piece of hardware, at least not now 2011-06-02 10:21 so I think I should begin with working for some company to gain experience 2011-06-02 10:21 but again, I must have something to show them so that they'll hire me 2011-06-02 10:21 what app/use case do you have in mind? 2011-06-02 10:21 what should the device be able to do in the end? 2011-06-02 10:23 I don't have any particular device in mind currently. (well, really I do, but any of the ideas I have won't be profitable on manufacturing; that's most one-time projects for myself) 2011-06-02 10:25 for example, I've been trying to do a home automation system for some time, which will connect most electrical devices (switches, lamps, sockets) in a wireless network and allow controlling everything in a centralized way 2011-06-02 10:25 but I clearly don't have enough RF experience to do that, as I understand now 2011-06-02 10:26 he 2011-06-02 10:26 but that does sound like ben-wpan a little, no? 2011-06-02 10:26 there is probably no other project like that with such extensive, actually massive, amount of documentation as ben-wpan 2011-06-02 10:27 sounds great 2011-06-02 10:27 maybe I should then begin with replicating ben-wpan 2011-06-02 10:28 you probably need to zoom-in/focus on something 2011-06-02 10:28 otherwise it may be overwhelming 2011-06-02 10:28 that's how it is 2011-06-02 10:31 maybe Werner has an idea for you 2011-06-02 10:31 something that is both good for ben-wpan, and will also help you achieve your educational goals 2011-06-02 10:33 huh, I doubt I can really make anything useful at the moment 2011-06-02 10:36 I'll talk with him anyway, through 2011-06-02 10:37 oh for sure you can do something useful! 2011-06-02 10:37 even if you try something, and fail, as long as you talk about what you do, exchange your experience with others, that can be very helpful for the project overall 2011-06-02 10:43 I'll then should get atusb/atben, to have a definitely working side 2011-06-02 10:43 does tuxbrain sell them already? 2011-06-02 10:47 not yet I think, last I heard was that SMT (the last production step) should be this week or next week 2011-06-02 10:49 okay, I'll then begin with ben 2011-06-02 11:00