2011-05-31 01:01 that's been nice now 2011-05-31 01:02 nightwalk 2011-05-31 01:05 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: using color font http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b068aa0 2011-05-31 01:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/42902ec 2011-05-31 01:21 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f6b4da 2011-05-31 01:34 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/de3017a 2011-05-31 01:34 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a64e41e 2011-05-31 01:39 TZ=GMT-5 shoudl be right (for me america/bogota) 2011-05-31 01:45 time.h.. 2011-05-31 01:46 "TZ=PST8PDT" 0_o 2011-05-31 01:49 I'm in "CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0" 2011-05-31 01:50 what? 2011-05-31 01:50 how i do get that from my system?.. 2011-05-31 01:50 i just dont get all this rules.. 2011-05-31 01:51 http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/OSGPS_chapter_6.pdf 2011-05-31 01:51 ^ 2011-05-31 01:51 I think I got the syntax either from the man page or from the POSIX spec 2011-05-31 01:51 shit UTC-5 2011-05-31 01:51 hmm 2011-05-31 01:52 "M3.5.0" is the last Sunday of March, which is the start of summer time here 2011-05-31 01:52 there is no summer here, i live in buga, colombia 2011-05-31 01:52 it should simple set timing on this lands near to ecuador.. 2011-05-31 01:52 it's weird that east is minus, usually this time zone is referred to as GMT+1 (winter) or GMT+2 (summer) 2011-05-31 01:52 I think you only need the name and the GMT offset then 2011-05-31 01:53 but "GMT-5" would define a new time zone named "GMT" which is 5 hours *ahead* of real GMT 2011-05-31 01:53 i was using GMT-5 but wikipedia saids (UTC-5) 2011-05-31 01:53 :/ 2011-05-31 01:54 GMT and UTC are more or less the same 2011-05-31 01:54 GMT is *not* the time in Greenich 2011-05-31 01:54 that confused me for years 2011-05-31 01:54 :o 2011-05-31 01:55 anyway, for TZ if you are in GMT-5 you should specify +5 2011-05-31 01:55 well i'll follow you, i dot get all this TZ rules.. 2011-05-31 01:56 but osgps FAQ said i _must_ sure of my TX, so i want to be sure before jump to something else 2011-05-31 01:56 s/TX/TZ 2011-05-31 01:59 I think it should be like this: "TZ=COT+5" 2011-05-31 02:06 why (+)? i tought we are behing of Greenich.. 2011-05-31 02:07 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=453 2011-05-31 02:07 and yes COT looks good 2011-05-31 02:07 taipe is CST+13 2011-05-31 02:07 ah. 2011-05-31 02:07 wpwrak: What is your TZ? :-) 2011-05-31 02:08 ART-3 ? 2011-05-31 02:09 so what matters is offset it seems 2011-05-31 02:10 kristianpaul: Hi have you saw my message about ramdisk? 2011-05-31 02:10 xiangfu: that i should have 92Mb of heap, so some sort of that in the rtems file system? 2011-05-31 02:11 yup, just dint tried copy all dat, let me bring the mm1 2011-05-31 02:11 kristianpaul: for some reason the TZ format has the +/- direction opposite of everything else 2011-05-31 02:11 sebastien think the 'ramdisk' is using the HEAP. so ramdisk is about ~92MB 2011-05-31 02:12 kristianpaul: you can try to copy ~90M file to milkymist one :D 2011-05-31 02:13 i think i already filled up /ramdisk one day playing with dd 2011-05-31 02:13 also look this http://paste.debian.net/118458/ 2011-05-31 02:13 i'll try again 2011-05-31 02:13 minute 2011-05-31 02:15 http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/file-system/rfs-20110315.tar.bz2 2011-05-31 02:17 xiangfu: http://paste.debian.net/118459/ i already asked on #rtems just dint time yet to diguest all information 2011-05-31 02:17 "The IMFS uses what ever heap space it can get" 2011-05-31 02:19 /ramdisk uses IMFS 2011-05-31 02:21 he rtems just crashed when trying to write 40Mb on /ramdisk :p 2011-05-31 02:23 :P 2011-05-31 02:34 phew flash is so slow.. and just writing 16Mb. 2011-05-31 02:48 at 629.1 kB/s use network socket is not bad idea.. 2011-05-31 02:49 xiangfu: osc in milkymist allow to send raw data from boardÂ Â or just push? 2011-05-31 02:59 hmm almost forgot, NFS ! 2011-05-31 03:17 this outfit has similar goals vs. qi-hardware, but ARM focused. http://www.microbuilder.eu/home/About.aspx 2011-05-31 03:22 if it's "ARM focused", it already cannot have 'similar goals' 2011-05-31 03:23 either or. ARM is making proprietary licensed digital ICs. If that's not part of copyleft hardware there is no need for copyleft hardware. 2011-05-31 03:26 is microbuilder's stuff freely licensed? maybe I can add them to the planet... 2011-05-31 03:30 "PCB manufacturing -- even of prototypes -- isn't a business you really want to be in. It's very labour intensive, requires reasonably expensive equipment to produce repeatable results that correspond to modern fine-pitch parts, and involves a number of chemical processes." 2011-05-31 03:30 tell that to Werner... 2011-05-31 03:30 what is the license of their content, cannot find anything other than (c) microbuilder ... 2011-05-31 03:31 "we do still use some commercial tools and software products simply because a little bit of money can sometimes go a long way in terms of productivity." 2011-05-31 03:31 "All information on this website is provided strictly for information and entertainment purposes only" 0_o 2011-05-31 03:31 ... enough 2011-05-31 03:31 yeah :-) 2011-05-31 03:33 I wish there were something like fedex, but using cargo ships instead of airplanes 2011-05-31 03:34 wolfspraul they develop for ARM, Nanonote uses a proprietaty SOC from Ingenic. I was not promoting them, just mentioning that they have similar goals 2011-05-31 03:34 so I want very good service on the sending and receiving end, but I want to take out the expensive airlift in exchange for a much slower but cheaper sea voyage 2011-05-31 03:34 need to look around a little... 2011-05-31 03:34 rjeffries: at least not same licesing goals.. 2011-05-31 03:34 since you liked that one so much... ;) 2011-05-31 03:35 just read this Engadget article which is interesting (to ME;) http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/linaro-and-samsung-roll-out-exynos-4210-based-origen-development/ 2011-05-31 03:36 you are free to think that microbuilder and qi share 'similar goals' :-) 2011-05-31 03:36 wolfspraul: cargo ships? how many devices are you going to ship? 2011-05-31 03:36 reminds me that I need to spend some more time on faq/about/roadmap/goals pages in the wiki... 2011-05-31 03:36 kristianpaul: nah, that's my point. I don't see cargo as 'thousands of something' 2011-05-31 03:36 I want to ship 1 Ben NanoNote :-) 2011-05-31 03:37 hum :-) 2011-05-31 03:37 basically a new business. combine the speed and service level of fedex with cargo ships. why not? 2011-05-31 03:37 surelly already exits. 2011-05-31 03:37 ships nowadays means quite manual process on sending and receiving end 2011-05-31 03:37 i was thinking in delivrer time 2011-05-31 03:37 and when you go fedex/dhl etc. it's always airlifted (mostly, they do some ground service in the us, but no ships I think) 2011-05-31 03:38 of course it will be slow 2011-05-31 03:38 but another option, also much more eco friendly 2011-05-31 03:38 pre order mm1-rc3 now to get it on august ! ;) 2011-05-31 03:38 I just read an article today how the cargo ships are becoming slower now, because it's so much cheaper 2011-05-31 03:38 Microbuilder license: This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. Use of this design should be attributed to: microBuilder.eu. 2011-05-31 03:38 nah it's not that much 2011-05-31 03:38 a lot of the cargo ship delay is because of manual/slow processes on sending and receiving side 2011-05-31 03:38 rjeffries: url? is that for all content on their site? 2011-05-31 03:39 so the cargo ships typically do 22-23 knots right now, but some new ones being optimized for 17 knots now, maybe even less later 2011-05-31 03:39 saves up to 60% energy costs 2011-05-31 03:39 that was on a board design I was looking at. look, they have their heart in the right area. they are not competing with you. 2011-05-31 03:39 http://www.microbuilder.eu/Projects/LPC1114ReferenceDesign.aspx 2011-05-31 03:40 that's actually cool. We can offset some of the slowness with better digital logistics, just start a 'stream' :-) 2011-05-31 03:40 you should think a bit more about 'competing' in free projects 2011-05-31 03:40 if there is a free project, it helps me 2011-05-31 03:40 I can copy/paste 2011-05-31 03:40 please compete with me 2011-05-31 03:40 well, you tried with UBB :-) 2011-05-31 03:40 no, microbuilder is disappointing to me 2011-05-31 03:41 it is a free project they admit to using some proprietary tools 2011-05-31 03:41 they need a bigger vision, bigger goals 2011-05-31 03:41 proprietary tools will hold us down 2011-05-31 03:41 they need to be replaced with free tools, for economic reasons (which you don't understand because you do so little manufacturing) 2011-05-31 03:41 everybody does not have to shar your exact vision 2011-05-31 03:41 proprietary digital ICs need to be replaced as well 2011-05-31 03:41 ahh 2011-05-31 03:41 are you saying now there are 'similar goals' or not? :-) 2011-05-31 03:41 ben used proprietary tools. give me a break 2011-05-31 03:42 you said 'similar goals', now you say "do not need to share exact vision" 2011-05-31 03:42 kristianpaul: so let's see. let's say 20,000 km long distance voyage. 2011-05-31 03:42 all I am saying is that particular outfit is running a little business that may be helpful to their customers, they sahre some DNAm yes. ;) 2011-05-31 03:42 yes some pieces are nice! 2011-05-31 03:43 but just not very ambitious I think, don't you agree? 2011-05-31 03:43 I can include their blog in the planet, that's a start so we can learn about what's going on there 2011-05-31 03:43 so we ag ree: there is one and only one Wolfgang Spraul. Is that a bug, or a feature> 2011-05-31 03:43 they are biting off a small bite I agree but also feel it is useful 2011-05-31 03:44 wolfspraul: if it arrives safe as with fedex, but i dont pay all tha money, plus i may save also in taxes, is an excenlent choice ! 2011-05-31 03:44 the cc-by-sa is for the reference design 2011-05-31 03:44 this page si interesting http://www.microbuilder.eu/home.aspx 2011-05-31 03:44 I'm wondering about the license for tutorials, videos etc. they mention 2011-05-31 03:44 kristianpaul: yes exactly 2011-05-31 03:45 wait lemme do some math :-) (I'm learning from Werner) 2011-05-31 03:45 sorry, here is correct URL http://riftlabs.com/2010/11/tools-for-the-lean-hardware-start-up/ 2011-05-31 03:45 actually i was told once, some people hereÂ Â buy cars from panama and send it to colombia/buenaventura port using cargo chips.. so may be this is not so uncomon. 2011-05-31 03:45 but ben still not as big as car ;) 2011-05-31 03:46 i saw all days, since child those containers saying china shipping :-) 2011-05-31 03:46 the idea of a lean mean highly automated cargo ship service is interesting. but I think it already exists, no? 2011-05-31 03:47 i think main issue will be pickup your stuff 2011-05-31 03:47 the modulo is 20 ft or 40 ft container. then there is a labrith of guys who consolidate less than container loads into containers 2011-05-31 03:47 1 knot = 1.852 km/hr, 17 knot = 31.484 km/h, 20.000 km / 31.484 = 635.24 hours = 26.4 days 2011-05-31 03:48 well, may not since child, but before 2000 for sure :-) 2011-05-31 03:48 airplane will do the same thing let's say in 24 hours 2011-05-31 03:48 so that's 25 days slower 2011-05-31 03:48 so what 2011-05-31 03:48 hey, that 25 days toook a USPS first class mail order to delivre here 2011-05-31 03:48 but yes, I need the kidn of service level fedex/ups/dhl have for me on the sending, receiving, customs agent, etc. end 2011-05-31 03:49 from usa 2011-05-31 03:49 not faxes to container terminal office and so on 2011-05-31 03:49 thats another good point.. 2011-05-31 03:49 if it's just an option "+25 days, -50 USD", that'd be cool 2011-05-31 03:49 there is an opportunity in that space for sure 2011-05-31 06:04 kristianpaul: my TZ is just ART :) (3 hours behind UTC) 2011-05-31 06:08 (pcb manufacturing) grin :) 2011-05-31 06:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb-flash: show avrdude progress output http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/cbd0fe5 2011-05-31 07:15 wolfspraul: these are the other two major places that carried the /. story on ubb-vga: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/05/09/bitbang-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ 2011-05-31 07:15 wolfspraul: http://hackaday.com/2011/05/10/bit-banging-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ 2011-05-31 07:16 wolfspraul: ah, and victor doesn't think tuxbrain got any extra sales due to /. 2011-05-31 07:16 that's hardly imaginable, victor doesn't know :-) 2011-05-31 07:17 Tuxbrain ordered another 30 from me just a day or two into the slashdot coverage 2011-05-31 07:18 ok, I will add those 2 links then, phew 2011-05-31 07:18 btw, you can check the news again, I think that's it 2011-05-31 07:18 I'm exhausted :-) 2011-05-31 07:18 ah, it's actually victor saying david doens't think there were no additional sales. well, maybe he just forgot ;) 2011-05-31 07:19 quote victor: "I ask David and answer is no, some more visits and some mail from interested person, but sales continue quite the same." 2011-05-31 07:19 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-06-01 2011-05-31 07:19 wolfspraul: do you think it will be possible to setup a mailinglist for jz47xx kernel development on the qi-hardware server? 2011-05-31 07:19 sure of course 2011-05-31 07:19 let me sneak in one more little item ... 2011-05-31 07:19 I've changed some of your pics for better ones, as you said 2011-05-31 07:19 added a nice entry about azonenberg (maybe check that for factual correctness) 2011-05-31 07:20 added jane's colemak thing 2011-05-31 07:20 ben-wpan production 2011-05-31 07:20 reordered things a bit 2011-05-31 07:20 larsc: what name do you want? 2011-05-31 07:21 wolfspraul: jz47xx-kernel 2011-05-31 07:22 not for 5x 6x? (just asking) 2011-05-31 07:23 hm? 2011-05-31 07:24 oh 2011-05-31 07:24 :-) 2011-05-31 07:24 too little sleep last night 2011-05-31 07:24 no problem 2011-05-31 07:25 hi 2011-05-31 07:25 I have a DB9 6-button game controller from those DVD Players they sell in China. 2011-05-31 07:25 and I was planning to connect it to a PC 2011-05-31 07:26 what software do I need? do I still need to add a few components? 2011-05-31 07:36 hello? 2011-05-31 07:38 miko_mirane: wrong channel 2011-05-31 07:38 where do I ask then? 2011-05-31 07:38 apologizes 2011-05-31 07:41 wolfspraul: the latest news item just made it to the qi-hw list :) 2011-05-31 07:44 (reading through the june news now ...) 2011-05-31 07:49 wolfspraul: "We decided to market Milkymist One as a video synthesizer, not interactive VJ station as planned before." - no rationale ? e.g., a link to a posting announcing the change, or maybe an IRC discussion ? or was this decided completely behind closed doors ? 2011-05-31 07:51 wolfspraul: no photos from rejon's event in montreal ? 2011-05-31 07:52 [rejon's event] don't ask me 2011-05-31 07:52 I haven't seen any picture until today, no 2011-05-31 07:53 [behind closed doors], well that's a marketing change only (nothing changes on the technology), so by nature it's very subtle 2011-05-31 07:53 rejon: ? 2011-05-31 07:53 the genesis was that Sebastien had this realization when he wrote the Wikipedia article 2011-05-31 07:53 something struck him 2011-05-31 07:53 "hmm. maybe this _is_ a video synthesizer actually" 2011-05-31 07:53 must have been something like that 2011-05-31 07:53 not 'behind closed doors', but 'deep in his brain', yes 2011-05-31 07:54 then I saw it, and I liked it, then I went to many other people to ask about their opinion, and all but one liked it better than 'interactive vj station' 2011-05-31 07:54 heh ;-) but there must be *some* context, no ? even "this sounds better/clearer" would add a bit of rationale 2011-05-31 07:54 this is about understanding 2011-05-31 07:54 it's very subtle 2011-05-31 07:55 go to a strange, explain what m1 is 2011-05-31 07:55 hah, who's the black sheep ? :) 2011-05-31 07:55 you can try 2011-05-31 07:55 no there is no context 2011-05-31 07:55 I think this was a realization that struck sebastien when he wrote the wikipedia article 2011-05-31 07:55 probably when looking up links into the encyclopedia etc. 2011-05-31 07:55 but since then I tried, and trust me "video synthesizer" works much better with many people to explain what m1 does 2011-05-31 07:56 definitely far better than 'interactive vj station' 2011-05-31 07:56 we can even say that and write "when writing the Wikipedia article, we realized that m1 is better described as a video synthesizer" :-) 2011-05-31 07:57 actually it may not have happened exactly when writing that article, need to ask sebastien 2011-05-31 07:57 but the key thing for me is that most people that know the product now like it better, that's why we're moving with that now 2011-05-31 07:57 no no, i get the "subtle" bit. but you make the change for a reason. e.g., because you expect it sounds better, because it conveys the message better, because you found that the other name was trademarked, that it sounds like a four-letter word in kuru, whatever 2011-05-31 07:57 because more people understand quicker what the product does 2011-05-31 07:58 or their second question goes in the right direction, after hearing 'video synthesizer', whereas it goes into all sorts of crazy directions after hearing 'interactive vj station' 2011-05-31 07:58 great. that's the tiny piece of information missing in that news item 2011-05-31 07:59 [commit] kyak: husky: a bunch of tools for Fidonet http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3798ea 2011-05-31 07:59 when we discussed this, xiangfu did a fun test. he googled for images with 'interactive vj station', and then 'video synthesizer' 2011-05-31 07:59 for images, not for text 2011-05-31 08:00 let me try again now :-) 2011-05-31 08:00 yeah you can try and see yourself 2011-05-31 08:01 "interactive vj station" seems pretty specific "milkymist one", nothing else :) 2011-05-31 08:02 maybe you should add some more controls for version 2: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/buchla/b200_2a.jpg 2011-05-31 08:02 a 747 is nothing compared to that ;-) 2011-05-31 08:03 :D 2011-05-31 08:07 (compare to the price) milkymist one is nothing ;-) 2011-05-31 08:08 hmm .... http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/fair_cvi/fair_cvi.htm 2011-05-31 08:08 "The Fairlight CVI premiered in 1984/85, for around $6,500 USD" 2011-05-31 08:08 ok I added some extra text about video synthesizer (first entry) 2011-05-31 08:08 sure, there's a bit of a price difference, but ... 2011-05-31 08:10 great. not sure the "second question" bit is useful, though. assumes a more specific context. 2011-05-31 08:13 now, if there just was one with-camera effect as colorful as Torridtales3, Drunkenboat, Balkacid, or even Pshroomery, ... 2011-05-31 08:15 the current stuff still has the aesthetics of a blurry thorax x-ray :-( 2011-05-31 08:16 nitpicking: 4'' waferÂ Â orÂ Â 4" waferÂ Â ? 2011-05-31 08:16 nitpicking: student from X or student at X ? 2011-05-31 08:20 hmm, i wonder whether the link to http://lists.milkymist.org/pipermail/devel-milkymist.org/2011-May/001516.html shouldn't also mention that the real information is in the attachment link, not the mail itself 2011-05-31 08:22 the collage of ubb-vga pix sums it up prettily :) a bit space-grabbing, but nice :) 2011-05-31 08:22 maybe then just link to attachment? 2011-05-31 08:23 yeah, i would probably do that. sebastien's mail adds nearly zero context 2011-05-31 08:27 wolfspraul: since you mention the MM1 wikipedia page, maybe also mention that kristianpaul has resurrected the Ben NanoNote page as well ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_NanoNote 2011-05-31 08:30 looks good. since there's already so much stuff, maybe it would even be better to keep the ben-wpan production testing stuff for the july editition 2011-05-31 08:36 wolfspraul: thanks 2011-05-31 08:36 wolfspraul: would inclusion of VP8 support in mplayer also be newsworthy ? http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-April/007814.html 2011-05-31 08:37 I can work it into that mplayer item 2011-05-31 08:39 wpwrak: yes, let's move ben-wpan production to the next one, I'll add an entry in 07-01 already 2011-05-31 08:42 i posted a few articles on testing tools back in april. but they also pop up on the "proper" documentation i just announced (well, except the "snake" game ;-), so they "migrate" implicitly 2011-05-31 08:42 the mplayer item already mentions 'webm formats' 2011-05-31 08:42 that's enough I think 2011-05-31 08:43 ah, VP8 \in WebM, i see. perfect then 2011-05-31 08:44 ubb-vga /. still needs the DP and hackaday links 2011-05-31 08:48 wolfspraul: btw, did you notice that i parked the raw material from the dirtpan video on download ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/raw/ 2011-05-31 08:49 wolfspraul: the original recording is some 320 MB, so in case you run out of disk space ... :) 2011-05-31 08:49 didn't notice but it points to your scripts which in turn point to the raw stuff I think 2011-05-31 08:50 yup, the README points to the raw material. just wanted to warn you about the little monster i dumped there 2011-05-31 09:17 [commit] kyak: binkd: Fidonet mailer http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e7f7d81 2011-05-31 09:55 can anyone suggest a good WiFi UART module? 2011-05-31 09:55 I'd use SDIO ones, but they are exceptionally hard to find, and few have drivers for linux apparently 2011-05-31 09:57 do you think such a beast even exists ? i've seen wifi-with-spi, but uart sounds uniquely rare 2011-05-31 10:05 wpwrak: well, that's my only option 2011-05-31 10:07 what do you think about http://www.datahunter.biz/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_70&products_id=188&zenid=133460206bd0b04188b06c1cb89beeba ? 2011-05-31 10:08 controlled by AT commands, heh 2011-05-31 10:13 the whole concept seems dubious ;-) 2011-05-31 10:14 first of all, does it HAVE to be wifi ? or would any other wireless do, too ? you can cobble together an atben-analogue for a few dollars. (just reuse the atben design) 2011-05-31 10:15 wpwrak: I think I'll eventually replicate the atben (it is one-layer, right?), but that's not the case 2011-05-31 10:15 the whole point of the project is to connect to existing WiFi network 2011-05-31 10:18 or maybe it's better to dump the idea and forget about that. 2011-05-31 10:24 use a spi->usb adapter and a usb wifi stick 2011-05-31 10:25 and gpio-bit-bang the spi bus ;) 2011-05-31 10:25 larsc: that's... beaverly. 2011-05-31 10:54 and power-wasting. usb is really bad when it comes to using energy 2011-05-31 10:57 check out some zydas based chipsets. i've seen some wifi sticks woith 2011-05-31 10:57 with an 'wifi finder' included. the finder was a 8051 connected via serial or spi 2011-05-31 10:57 the chipset can be used via usb, serial and spi 2011-05-31 11:03 whitequark: (atben) it's two layers. but still quite diy-able :) 2011-05-31 11:03 larsc: in java ;-) 2011-05-31 11:15 wpwrak: any vias? 2011-05-31 11:18 roh: I've had a zd1211 dongle, but unfortunately it was fried out by reversed motherboard connector 2011-05-31 11:18 so, are you saying that they have an usable UART interface? 2011-05-31 11:18 (my board does not have SPI and bitbang imho is not an options 2011-05-31 11:18 *option 2011-05-31 11:21 whitequark: 56 vias on atben (the exact number depends on the board geometry/size - most of them are for RF) 2011-05-31 11:22 whitequark: i know they got 3 interfaces and afaik (from my head) it was usb spi and serial. also there were 'some' documents avail. 2011-05-31 11:22 but its not really a 'mobile' chipset, so it still eats lots of power 2011-05-31 11:22 wpwrak: oh... I won't be able to do that manually 2011-05-31 11:23 roh: I don't need it to be mobile. the device is wall-powered 2011-05-31 11:23 atleast compared to 'for mobile phones'-chipsets 2011-05-31 11:23 well, then go for the zydas 2011-05-31 11:23 atleast i would try that. these ready-made wifi embedded solutions are really expensive 2011-05-31 11:24 to be fair... maybe something like a openwrt-compatible wifi router is your solution. available from 25Euros its even comparedably cheap 2011-05-31 11:25 roh: I need it to be quite compact. like a dongle. 2011-05-31 11:25 i see. 2011-05-31 11:25 well, thanks for the idea, I'll investigate it 2011-05-31 11:25 whitequark: (doing it manually) i did. but it's less painful with a cnc drill, agrees :) 2011-05-31 11:25 s/agrees/agreed/ 2011-05-31 11:26 wpwrak: I'm going to make a CNC machine (they are waaaaay too expensive to buy) 2011-05-31 11:26 one guy says he can do all the mechanic parts for ~$300 2011-05-31 11:27 using printers/plotters/whatever 2011-05-31 11:27 hm. our ball-screws were more expensive than that 2011-05-31 11:28 ahem. ball-screws? what's that? 2011-05-31 11:28 yeah, for USD 300 it may be a fragile thing 2011-05-31 11:28 but i also never experienced backlash 2011-05-31 11:28 whitequark: its a way to move the axis, while having no backlash 2011-05-31 11:28 roh: yes, already found on wiki 2011-05-31 11:29 backslash 2011-05-31 11:29 irgh http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelgewindetrieb 2011-05-31 11:30 wpwrak: I won't afford to buy for more than $600 anyway 2011-05-31 11:30 try getting used machines from people who care 2011-05-31 11:31 hq tools like such machines are ok to reuse and refurbish 2011-05-31 11:31 it's hard to find anyone like that in russia 2011-05-31 11:32 sure? especially them should have shitloads of still working equipment around (mostly because it wasnt built to break) 2011-05-31 11:32 well.. our mill iss from china 2011-05-31 11:33 I wasn't been able to find 2011-05-31 11:33 a copycat of a german mill from 15 years ago. 2011-05-31 11:33 how expensive it was? 2011-05-31 11:33 about 3.200E or so? 2011-05-31 11:33 but including cnc electronics, drivers, big steppers etc. 2011-05-31 11:34 uh, that's surely a lot 2011-05-31 11:34 if you dont need to mill steel, something much less sturdy is making more sense. (and is faster) 2011-05-31 11:34 130k roubles... 2011-05-31 11:35 need to run. bbl 2011-05-31 11:36 ok bye 2011-05-31 11:42 whitequark: roh's mill is a bit of a monster. you should be able to find a decent tabletop model that can even do soft metals. for less than USD 2000 2011-05-31 11:44 for reference, my MDX-15 has a list price of USD 3145 2011-05-31 11:51 wpwrak: I'm somewhat like a student. that's still a lot for me 2011-05-31 12:44 re 2011-05-31 15:01 hi, 2011-05-31 15:01 have local changes for openwrt-packages.git.Â Â how do i commit now that everything went to 'trunk'? 2011-05-31 15:01 hello 2011-05-31 15:01 'git checkout origin/trunk' then commit? 2011-05-31 15:01 it seems 2011-05-31 15:01 let's try... 2011-05-31 15:01 just make sure you're update with trunk first :-) 2011-05-31 15:02 seems i need to stash first 2011-05-31 15:02 i hate it: ONFLICT (delete/modify): liballegro/Makefile deleted in Updated upstream and modified in Stashed changes. Version Stashed changes of liballegro/Makefile left in tree 2011-05-31 15:03 maybe i can commit anyway 2011-05-31 15:03 i dont see stahs pratice with good eyes.. 2011-05-31 15:03 but i'm still too ignorant about git land :-) 2011-05-31 15:04 me to 2011-05-31 15:04 s/to/too 2011-05-31 15:04 now i see why patches still rule ;) 2011-05-31 15:06 yeah, when juggling changes, i oftenÂ Â git diff >file; then revert, stash, or such, then re-apply the patch or parts of it 2011-05-31 15:06 hmm, now i cannot push 2011-05-31 15:07 i also cannot pull 2011-05-31 15:07 You are not currently on a branch, so I cannot use any 2011-05-31 15:07 'branch..merge' in your configuration file. 2011-05-31 15:07 git branch says 2011-05-31 15:07 * (no branch) 2011-05-31 15:07 Â Â master 2011-05-31 15:07 hum 2011-05-31 15:07 that's why i asked.Â Â i guess 'git checkout' was the wrong route? 2011-05-31 15:07 git remote? 2011-05-31 15:07 same thing has happened to me before 2011-05-31 15:07 what's git remote? 2011-05-31 15:08 show remote branaches or something remote :) 2011-05-31 15:08 branches* 2011-05-31 15:08 it just will show 2011-05-31 15:08 git remote says 'origin' 2011-05-31 15:09 git branch -a ? 2011-05-31 15:09 yes works 2011-05-31 15:09 so i should do 'get checkout remotes/origin/trunk'? 2011-05-31 15:09 is the remote trunk there? 2011-05-31 15:09 i think 2011-05-31 15:10 git branch still says 'no branch' 2011-05-31 15:10 how do i track the remote stuff in a local branch? is that what's missing? 2011-05-31 15:11 just do git checkout trunk 2011-05-31 15:11 it says 'Branch trunk set up to track remote branch trunk from origin. 2011-05-31 15:11 ' 2011-05-31 15:11 sounds good 2011-05-31 15:12 git pull says 'up to date' 2011-05-31 15:12 git push says 'error: failed to push some refs to 'git@projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages.git' 2011-05-31 15:12 git push origin trunk? 2011-05-31 15:12 it says 'everything up to date' 2011-05-31 15:13 which is a lie i guess 2011-05-31 15:13 ah, maybe i just lost all my local changes? 2011-05-31 15:13 but you made changes in other branch 2011-05-31 15:13 yes lost all my changes 2011-05-31 15:13 or they are stashed sowmehre.. 2011-05-31 15:13 because i wasn't on a branch? 2011-05-31 15:13 no problem, have the file still open in emacs.Â Â let's just save :) 2011-05-31 15:14 but git dont let you change branch until commit or stash i think 2011-05-31 15:14 okay, thats better ! 2011-05-31 15:14 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: liballegro: fix fbdev driver, also package examples http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2e457ea 2011-05-31 15:15 :) 2011-05-31 15:15 kristianpaul: thanks for helping 2011-05-31 15:15 bp 2011-05-31 15:15 np* 2011-05-31 15:16 wpwrak: indeed git diff is a must all time for me 2011-05-31 15:19 when you make chahngesin other branch i think yoj commit then checkout trunk and merge then comiit and psuh 2011-05-31 15:24 http://mimiandeunice.com/2011/05/31/locked-up-technology 2011-05-31 15:48 1he 2i 3just 3discover 4colors 5!! 2011-05-31 15:48