2011-05-18 00:00 ok, then youÂ Â need a *really* experienced fab, which knows their business to get it right without much fiddling and try&error 2011-05-18 00:01 maybe even offers some guaranteed yield 2011-05-18 00:01 (which they achieve by manual repair where needed) 2011-05-18 00:01 I.E: a fab specialized on ultralow qty 2011-05-18 00:02 i think that's what they do, yes (small quantities) 2011-05-18 00:02 you *might* be even better off with manual assembly 2011-05-18 00:02 they're in spain, not china ;) 2011-05-18 00:03 hmm, then no manual asly 2011-05-18 00:03 ;-) 2011-05-18 00:03 maybe in a few years, after the european south's economy has been bombed back to medieval standards, ... 2011-05-18 00:03 the Spanish are too expensive and not as myopic as the Chinese 2011-05-18 00:04 duh, almost exactly my wording of a few hours ago 2011-05-18 00:05 I actually said "Greece getting economy-bombed back into ~1920" 2011-05-18 00:06 [2011-05-17 16:04:25] not all of a joke, when you look at Greece getting economy-bombed back to ~1920 2011-05-18 00:07 they'll still miss that special chinese affinity to microscopic things 2011-05-18 00:09 Spanish mentality is more like the russian "let's build everything like it was a tank" 2011-05-18 00:10 oh, the myopia will develop naturally - helps with finding food :) 2011-05-18 00:10 the russian approach isn't too bad, all things considered 2011-05-18 00:10 sure, but incompatible to SMT 2011-05-18 00:12 nanotanks ;-) 2011-05-18 00:12 LOL 2011-05-18 00:14 me counters with "Ecranoplan" 2011-05-18 00:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekranoplan ? cool stuff 2011-05-18 00:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan 2011-05-18 00:20 yeah, nice little vehicle ;-) 2011-05-18 00:39 "The Ecranoplane combines the two most dangerous phases of aviation, i.e takeoff and landing, into one continuous event, dispensing with the safe altitude phase completely." 2011-05-18 03:10 hey xiangfu, could I please have a new project on projects.qi-hardware.com? 2011-05-18 03:11 as long as it's about copyleft hardware. :) 2011-05-18 03:12 of course! :) 2011-05-18 03:12 what name you want? 2011-05-18 03:12 man-tiny, please 2011-05-18 03:12 shot name 2011-05-18 03:12 ok 2011-05-18 03:17 unclouded: what is your username in projects.qi-hardware.com? 2011-05-18 03:17 oh it's 'unclouded' found it 2011-05-18 03:18 that's right.Â Â only just found it myself 2011-05-18 03:18 unclouded: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/man-tiny/ 2011-05-18 03:18 great stuff.Â Â thanks very much 2011-05-18 03:18 "... he was a tiny man, the girls said ..." ;-) 2011-05-18 03:20 ;-) 2011-05-18 03:21 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc: some initial test process documentation (still very incomplete) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d0ab9d9 2011-05-18 03:21 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb: separated flashing from testing; added enumeration and ID test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/32744af 2011-05-18 03:21 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/Common (expect, expect_re): allow multiple arguments (for options) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c2163a6 2011-05-18 03:21 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/flow.fig: draw feedback (information vs. physical items) dashed http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b9a3054 2011-05-18 03:21 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/atnet.c (atnet_set_clkm): corrected return code (1 means success here) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b24a189 2011-05-18 04:26 [commit] Neil Stockbridge: There is now a ( very simple) man page viewer that supports MANPATH http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e15a705 2011-05-18 04:26 [commit] Neil Stockbridge: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5d8d83a 2011-05-18 04:30 I was having trouble with the busybox man, so that man-tiny package is a simple man page viewer that finds the man page ( supporting a MANPATH with many entries unlike the busybox one) and then hands off the rendering to mandoc ( already part of the release image) and less ( not more) 2011-05-18 04:44 can we drop new .ipk files in to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/ at any time or should they really be part of the latest release? 2011-05-18 04:48 unclouded: we can not just 'drop' it to that folder, there are a package list under that URL 2011-05-18 04:48 Packages.gz. 2011-05-18 04:48 http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/Packages.gz 2011-05-18 04:49 we need update this Packages.gz. then opkg can found the new packages. 2011-05-18 04:49 ah ok.Â Â I forgot about that.Â Â That's what opkg uses to decide which packages are available 2011-05-18 04:50 presumably we'd rather not edit Packages.gz by hand for fear of making a mistake that renders the whole thing unusable? 2011-05-18 04:50 better using "make package/index" 2011-05-18 04:51 and also the packages better release with the images. then it will have same uClibc, Gcc etc. for less problem :) 2011-05-18 04:52 that makes sense 2011-05-18 04:54 unclouded: for your problem with ../man3 you could use "UNPACK_CMD" in Makefile 2011-05-18 04:54 grep it in existing Makefiles, for exmaple 2011-05-18 04:55 PKG_UNPACK seems to work, too 2011-05-18 04:55 kyak: I saw your message about cronjob. will working on that after ~1 hours. I have to go offline for awhile, see you later. 2011-05-18 04:55 xiangfu: thanks :) 2011-05-18 04:55 kyak: thanks for feedback as always, (also the email) see you . 2011-05-18 04:56 xiangfu: always welcome! 2011-05-18 05:57 kyak: thanks for the tip.Â Â I'll have a go at fixing the package later on 2011-05-18 07:17 [commit] Neil Stockbridge: The libsdl-doc-man Makefile is now more elegant http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/62d7bcd 2011-05-18 07:32 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9b8498d 2011-05-18 07:32 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: stardict enalbe man page search http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c911cb2 2011-05-18 07:32 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cd2b5dc 2011-05-18 07:38 kyak: Hi what is the better way for 'jobs in sequence'? 2011-05-18 07:39 put while() in one script file ? 2011-05-18 07:40 xiangfu: something like that, yes :) 2011-05-18 07:40 kyak: buildhost get error on libxfce4util, I just disable. we don't need xfce in nanonote. 2011-05-18 07:40 yep, this xfce is in xfce feed, that should be disabled 2011-05-18 07:41 only leave qipackages, packages and desktop 2011-05-18 07:44 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2a5cc31 2011-05-18 07:45 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a4a100c 2011-05-18 07:51 kyak: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/bin/compile-openwrt.sh 2011-05-18 07:52 kyak: after the current full_system build finish, I will start this "compile-openwrt.sh" :) 2011-05-18 07:54 xiangfu: yeah, i think it's simple but effective :) 2011-05-18 07:54 then you need to run this cronjob only once.. 2011-05-18 07:55 kyak: then I would like start it manually :) 2011-05-18 07:56 would it run well detached from terminal? 2011-05-18 07:56 also, you need to remember to run it after reboot :) 2011-05-18 07:57 i think a cron job on boot would be better 2011-05-18 07:58 oh. that make sense. 2011-05-18 08:00 can I get some space on http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/ to host some .ipk files before they make it in to the release? 2011-05-18 08:01 kyak: about "files/ directory in build script" 2011-05-18 08:01 kyak: I only can make sure. the the "files/" is at very last. 2011-05-18 08:02 kyak: the "define Package/nanonote-data-files/postinst" is for install new nanonte-data-files. for example. it can overwrite the files we want. 2011-05-18 08:02 xiangfu: i see.. i just don't have this files/ symlink in my build dir and didn't run into any issues yet 2011-05-18 08:03 kyak: but for the build progress. I don't understand what is the order ofÂ Â packages compile. so I just keep the 'files/' in openwrt root folder 2011-05-18 08:03 yo uare symlinking the same files you are copying later with nanonote-data-files 2011-05-18 08:03 kyak: oh. yes. 2011-05-18 08:04 seems all packages un 'qipackages' compiled at very last. 2011-05-18 08:04 also not many package overwrite '/etc/profile' ... :) 2011-05-18 08:04 s/un/under 2011-05-18 08:04 hm... 2011-05-18 08:05 kyak: one thing. I found 'opkg.conf' under target/xburst/base-files/ is overwrite by 'opkg' package. so I move it to 'files/' 2011-05-18 08:05 ok, so this is just the way for you to be double sure :) 2011-05-18 08:05 kyak: it's works fine before. 2011-05-18 08:06 ok, then i'll set up this symlink as well 2011-05-18 08:09 ping 2011-05-18 08:10 xiangfu: you are there :-) 2011-05-18 08:11 kyak: yes. for double sure. 2011-05-18 08:12 fidelio seems to play ping timeout on xiangfu all the time :) 2011-05-18 08:15 kyak: I will test your wiki code after buildhost finish the 'trunk' images.Â Â thanks again. 2011-05-18 08:16 np - hope it works for you :) 2011-05-18 08:16 i already gave up and waiting for ben-wpan release 2011-05-18 09:45 kyak: what have you given up on ? 2011-05-18 09:47 wpwrak: he mean given up on SDW-823 wifi card. 2011-05-18 10:13 wpwrak: yeah, that one 2011-05-18 10:13 not working for me, whatever i try 2011-05-18 10:21 kyak: yeah, i've been following that story here on IRC. tragic, tragic ... 2011-05-18 11:42 if it isn't tuxbrain himself! 2011-05-18 11:42 tuxbrain: hi :) 2011-05-18 11:42 hi :) 2011-05-18 11:44 tuxbrain: can i order atben/usb soon? :) 2011-05-18 11:47 yes :) no definitive date yet, I claiming for it 2011-05-18 11:47 have you decided the price already? 2011-05-18 11:57 kyak I'm still calculating I will annouce once I make sure on the final date and costs 2011-05-18 11:58 ok, sure :) 2011-05-18 12:00 I'm still pending to do the test with wpwrak's prototypes ... I have the feeling I arriving late to everywhere... 2011-05-18 12:40 quite possibly the better alternative to c-ts sometimes: http://www.youtube.com/viralsilabs#p/u/0/QvrB8cufv80 2011-05-18 12:42 silabs has some cute chips 2011-05-18 18:54 can anyone who knows linux kernel internals point me to a best way of solving the task: wait for irq and then memcpy a lot of data 2011-05-18 18:54 I'm thinking about tasklets, but not sure if it's the right tool 2011-05-18 18:56 wait for an irq is to be done in an interupt handler 2011-05-18 18:56 the interupt handler has to be devided in 2 part 2011-05-18 18:56 bottom half and top half 2011-05-18 18:56 you can learn about that here: 2011-05-18 18:57 http://free-electrons.com/doc/training/linux-kernel/slides.pdf 2011-05-18 18:58 if I remember well the top half has to complete quickely 2011-05-18 18:58 to ack the interrupt 2011-05-18 18:58 GNUtoo|laptop: thanks for the link, I'll read it 2011-05-18 18:58 and to schedule for a later run a task 2011-05-18 18:58 that will memcpy your lot of data 2011-05-18 19:06 copy where? 2011-05-18 19:06 s/where/to 2011-05-18 19:08 kristianpaul: from memory to memory, there is a memory-mapped device which appears as RAM block 2011-05-18 19:09 hmm interesting 2011-05-18 19:09 i never used memcpy before, but looks usefull 2011-05-18 19:09 ramblock, oh 2011-05-18 19:09 that sound familiar 2011-05-18 19:09 whitequark: what platformit is? 2011-05-18 19:09 platform* 2011-05-18 19:10 kristianpaul: that's a HDTV webcam on AT91SAM9G, a russian opensource project 2011-05-18 19:12 cool 2011-05-18 19:15 hi heberth :-) 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: more fault analysis, mainly clock frequency http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e86997e 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/: new helper function for daemonification http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/43f179d 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-proxy/atrf-proxy.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1bfe86a 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: added section separators; expanded setup section http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f5b1693 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/dirtpan/dirtpan.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/81a8e13 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: split into one file per topic http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e11d7b1 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: adjusted heading level and section separators of topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3d2bed5 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: added up/prev/next links to topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/430a296 2011-05-18 19:50 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-xmit/atrf-xmit.c (xfer_one, usage, main): new option -v (verbose) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/558017e 2011-05-18 21:25 whitequark: hm... where can I read about that "russian opensource project"? :)