2011-05-15 04:07 <unclouded> does the latest NanoNote kernel still work with MMC cards? If I use the kernel from 2010-12-14 then it boots fine but if I use the 2011-02-23 kernel then it says "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
2011-05-15 04:12 <xiangfu> unclouded: 2011-03-23 will try to load '/boot/uImage' in first ext2/3 partition in Memcard.
2011-05-15 04:12 <xiangfu> also load rootfs at first ext2/3 partition
2011-05-15 04:12 <xiangfu> unclouded: let me find the Changlog. 
2011-05-15 04:15 <unclouded> that's exactly what I'm trying.  rootfs in in ext2 in first ( and only) partition on the uSD card.  it boots find when /boot/uImage on the uSD card refer to the 2010-12-14 kernel but produces that error when /boot/uImage on the uSD card is 2011-02-23
2011-05-15 04:16 <unclouded> are the kernel configs for the two version available for comparison?
2011-05-15 04:31 <xiangfu> unclouded: hmm..
2011-05-15 04:32 <xiangfu> unclouded: yes. since you mentions this, we should keep that somewhere. thanks.
2011-05-15 04:33 <unclouded> xiangfu: you're welcome :)  it definitely could come in handy in the future
2011-05-15 04:33 <xiangfu> unclouded: you are using 2011-02-23 kernel boot the 2010-12-14 rootfs?
2011-05-15 04:34 <unclouded> other way around
2011-05-15 04:34 <unclouded> 2011 rootfs with 2010-12-14 kernel
2011-05-15 04:38 <xiangfu> unclouded: that maybe have problem. if gcc or uclibc changed,
2011-05-15 04:38 <xiangfu> the kernel module will not working, since there is a small update in kernel. update to .32.27 in 2011-02-23
2011-05-15 04:40 <unclouded> ok, I might have missed out some detail.  yesterday I did reflash-ben.sh, so NAND has 2011-02-23 u-boot, kernel and rootfs on NAND.  that all works.  today I unpacked the 2011-02-23 rootfs on uSD and put the 2011-02-23 kernel at /boot/uImage on the uSD.  that failed.  then I replaced /boot/uImage with the older kernel and now it boots
2011-05-15 04:42 <unclouded> so I don't think it's something I've stuffed up.  I think the 2011-02-23 kernel has some changes that mean it can't boot from MMC
2011-05-15 04:42 <unclouded> sorry if that's what you understood already and I'm repeating myself
2011-05-15 04:50 <xiangfu> unclouded: can you try this, put the 2011-02-23 kernel to Memcard:/boot/uImage, when poweron HOLD the [F1], see what happen
2011-05-15 04:51 <unclouded> ok, will try that right now
2011-05-15 04:54 <unclouded> looks like it does exactly the same thing
2011-05-15 05:08 <unclouded> i.e. when holding [F1] it tries to boot from MMC but says "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
2011-05-15 05:11 <xiangfu> unclouded: I will try that in my nanonote. see if I can reproduce the issue.
2011-05-15 05:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: mlt/wpan-ipv4/: demo setup and editing process for the wpan-ipv4 video http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/5ae2c46
2011-05-15 06:33 <Fusin> Qiots of the world, unite! :D
2011-05-15 06:34 <Fusin> wb xiangfu ;)
2011-05-15 06:53 <vladkorotnev> hello everyone :)
2011-05-15 07:01 <kyak> xiangfu: seems that ks7010 driver has to be adapted to work with the latest kernel -\
2011-05-15 07:01 <xiangfu> oh
2011-05-15 07:14 <Fusin> *blub*
2011-05-15 08:21 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8cfd90c
2011-05-15 08:21 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: ks7010: support kernel > 2.6.35 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/822e1e0
2011-05-15 08:34 <Fusin> bot is working on sundays??? isn't that forbiden?? 8)
2011-05-15 08:46 <kyak> Fusin: it depends on what religion qi-bot is professing :)
2011-05-15 09:09 <kyak> wpwrak: awesome video :)
2011-05-15 09:10 <kyak> with cool music, too!
2011-05-15 09:22 <wpwrak> kyak: thanks ;-)
2011-05-15 09:24 <wpwrak> kyak: what i like best about it is that all the video editing is done by a shell script. no more poking around in unstable gui programs. (well, melt is also quite fragile, but at least you don't care much if it segfaults on you ;-)
2011-05-15 09:32 <kyak> wpwrak: is it this one: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/?
2011-05-15 09:48 <unclouded> could future release images please have CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_STRINGS switched off?  it prevents binutils from being installed without having to hack /usr/lib/opkg/info/busybox.list
2011-05-15 09:51 <dvdk> unclouded: maybe you should send a note to the mailinglist or file an entry with the issue tracker, so that your complaint isn't lost
2011-05-15 09:51 <unclouded> dvdk: ok, thx will do
2011-05-15 09:52 <dvdk> unclouded: maybe mailinglist will suffice, haven't seen much activity in the issue tracker (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/issues/)
2011-05-15 09:53 <unclouded> dvdk: the mailing list looks healthy.  I'll post there
2011-05-15 10:20 <kyak> unclouded: btw, you can use --force-overwrite to opkg to install strings from binutils
2011-05-15 10:20 <unclouded> kyak: didn't know that, thanks!
2011-05-15 10:23 <kyak> it's a little bit of a question how we should do.. maybe disable CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_STRINGS and include binutils in image?
2011-05-15 10:24 <dvdk> kyak: binutils is pretty small, isn't it?  
2011-05-15 10:24 <dvdk> kyak: alternatively install to /bin vs. /usr/bin or something to resolve the conflict
2011-05-15 10:25 <kyak> dvdk: yeah, i'm looking at it, it's just Installed-Size: 780336
2011-05-15 10:25 <dvdk> kyak: looks good, doesn't it?  plus having a mips assembler available in the default install is kinda cool :)
2011-05-15 10:25 <kyak> then let's do it :)
2011-05-15 10:29 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: disable busybox's strings, enable binutils and http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4d609cd
2011-05-15 10:33 <lunavorax_mini> Hi everyone !
2011-05-15 10:36 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: emacs: make programming language comments colored by default http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/32e4ab8
2011-05-15 10:36 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: disable busybox's strings, enable binutils and http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/05e9503
2011-05-15 12:54 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: ca:fe !!, nice video :-)
2011-05-15 12:55 <kristianpaul> indeed, kyak  nice music 
2011-05-15 12:57 <xMff> maybe you should split binutils
2011-05-15 12:57 <xMff> in binutils-as, binutils-strings, binutils-nm etc.
2011-05-15 13:01 <wpwrak> kyak: (mltframework) yes
2011-05-15 13:05 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: glad you like it :-) did you also see the other mac address, be:e2 ?
2011-05-15 13:07 <wpwrak> binutils indeed seems a bit wasteful, considering that gcc isn't installed by default.
2011-05-15 13:08 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: be:e2, yup 
2011-05-15 13:08 <xMff> the coreutils package is a good example on how it can be organized, menuconfig and makefile wise
2011-05-15 13:30 <kyak> wpwrak: i thought the second mac would be fe:ca :)
2011-05-15 13:30 <kyak> xMff: it could be done, and it is a good idea, but i doubt that it is worth it
2011-05-15 13:31 <kyak> after all, it's not a 4 Mb rootfs we are talking about :)
2011-05-15 13:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi, what video?
2011-05-15 13:37 <kristianpaul> GNUtoo|laptop: are you suscribed to qi-hw mail list?
2011-05-15 13:37 <kristianpaul> hi
2011-05-15 13:37 <kristianpaul> GNUtoo|laptop: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-May/008027.html
2011-05-15 13:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> no, I am not
2011-05-15 13:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
2011-05-15 13:38 <kristianpaul> if not, you may want to follow a bit more :-)
2011-05-15 13:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I know that there is a vga bitbanged adaptor
2011-05-15 13:38 <kristianpaul> werner, give us susrprises all the time 
2011-05-15 13:39 <kristianpaul> yup, that  more than bitbanged as it implement dma for the sdio controller now
2011-05-15 13:39 <kristianpaul> but yes, is other great project from wpwrak 
2011-05-15 13:39 <kyak> i think werner is hiding a dozen of engineers in his basement
2011-05-15 13:40 <kyak> and makes them work for food
2011-05-15 13:40 <xMff> kyak: size is one consideration, conflicts the other if there are multiple providers of something
2011-05-15 13:41 <kristianpaul> kyak: thats a good deal :-)
2011-05-15 13:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
2011-05-15 13:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> the video is very well made
2011-05-15 13:44 <kristianpaul> yeah
2011-05-15 13:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> loves the command explanations
2011-05-15 13:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> *commands
2011-05-15 13:49 <kristianpaul> I wonder to know how he sync the subtitles
2011-05-15 14:24 <wpwrak> kyak: naw, no food. they work for not getting flogged ;-)
2011-05-15 14:26 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (subtitles) easy. first, i did the cuts. the original video has sequences that are too long, where i got the zoom wrong, or where i tried to re-focus. (focus is a problem - my camera doesn't get it right at this kind of distances)
2011-05-15 14:27 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: then i previewed the video and looked where i would put which text. melt, the command-line video editing utility, shows the frame number and lets you step back and forth.
2011-05-15 14:28 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: so all i had to do was find the right frames and then add the frame number to the corresponding subtitle.
2011-05-15 14:29 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: then i could watch it again to see if the timing looked right
2011-05-15 14:29 <kyak> wpwrak: i'm looking at melt right now, i don't find it any easy or obvious to use -\
2011-05-15 14:30 <kyak> besides, the version packaged in my distro seems buggy - it hangs when capturing from web camera
2011-05-15 14:31 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: the hardest part was figuring out how to make melt do what i want. there's very little documentation, much of the examples don't work, the syntax is fragile, errors are usually silently ignored, and the underlying concepts aren't trivial. the best examples i found in the mlt sources, directory demo/
2011-05-15 14:32 <wpwrak> kyak: (easy to use) oh, only took me a bit more than a day of trying and googling before i got it to show subtitles in the right spot. afterwards, it was pretty easy ;-)
2011-05-15 14:33 <kyak> the whole concept of command-line video editor is a bit awkward :)
2011-05-15 14:34 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: you cutted the video using?
2011-05-15 14:34 <wpwrak> kyak: preparing the demo, setting, light, and shooting the video took maybe 4-5 hours (i did a few tries until i had something that looked usable)
2011-05-15 14:35 <kyak> wpwrak: btw, where is the music from?
2011-05-15 14:35 <wpwrak> kyak: editing the video, once i had a way for doing it, took maybe the same amount of time. a lot of experimenting with how to best place the various texts, how long to show what, etc.
2011-05-15 14:36 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: melt, from mlf (http://www.mltframework.org/)
2011-05-15 14:36 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: this is the script that controls the editing http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/wernermisc/source/tree/master/mlt/wpan-ipv4/edit
2011-05-15 14:37 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: all the raw material (video and soundtrack) is available, so you can make your own cut ;-)
2011-05-15 14:38 <wpwrak> kyak: the music was the easiest part. i made it with my kaossilator. it has a few cheat modes where it does nearly all the work itself ;-)
2011-05-15 14:39 <wpwrak> kyak: (melt) it's very non-obvious ;-) but what i like is that i can control precisely what it does (well, once i've figured out how express wishes in a what that will be understood)
2011-05-15 14:41 <kyak> wpwrak: kaossilator - never even heard of such thing before
2011-05-15 14:41 <wpwrak> kyak: with gui-based tool, there's always that element of fuzziness, where you, say, have to place something by dragging. and the next item that should go in the same spot won't line up. or you have to go to the first, find the coordinates (if they are shown), write them down, then go to the second place, and align according to them.
2011-05-15 14:42 <wpwrak> kyak: and if you decide that all this should, say, be shifted a little, or maybe you want to tweak the color, you have to edit every single one again.
2011-05-15 14:42 <kyak> wpwrak: i'm almost sure gui video editors support scripting
2011-05-15 14:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: data: files: add opkg.conf http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/edcfe1e
2011-05-15 14:44 <wpwrak> kyak: (kaossilator) it's a kind of synthesizer. very simple, suitable for the musically inept, like me ;-) there are some youtube videos that show what it can do
2011-05-15 14:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:   base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/882885f
2011-05-15 14:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1d6c83b
2011-05-15 14:45 <kyak> wpwrak: eah, i've seen some pictures of this thing :)
2011-05-15 14:46 <wpwrak> kyak: (scripting) perhaps. but then, the only useful thing the gui editor would do is give me the general framework (that is, if it can save to a script) and with trying out new features. just putting elements on a screen and such takes only minutes anyway. so the gui would only help with tasks that are also simple in a script.
2011-05-15 14:47 <xiangfu> the 'opkg' using 'wget',  'wget' depends on 'libidn_1.18', 
2011-05-15 14:47 <xiangfu> just test "http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-05132011-1900/"
2011-05-15 14:47 <xiangfu> found the latest 'opkg' package have some depends problem 
2011-05-15 14:49 <kyak> xiangfu: btw, i noticed that you use "rm -f files && ln -s feeds/qipackages/nanonote-files/data/qi_lb60/files/" in your build script on buildhost; but "nanonote-data-files" package already provides it, right?
2011-05-15 14:49 <xiangfu> the boot time is about ~17 secs.
2011-05-15 14:51 <xiangfu> kyak: sorry, what you mean?
2011-05-15 14:51 <xiangfu> kyak: seems only needs setup the 'files' once. 
2011-05-15 14:52 <xMff> xiangfu: opkg issues?
2011-05-15 14:53 <xMff> xiangfu: autofail crap?
2011-05-15 14:53 <xMff> xiangfu: can you paste the relevant part? slow line here
2011-05-15 14:53 <xiangfu> xMff: compile fine. there are some error when running. :
2011-05-15 14:54 <xiangfu> root@BenNanoNote:~# opkg update
2011-05-15 14:54 <xiangfu> Downloading http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/Packages.gz.
2011-05-15 14:54 <xiangfu> wget: can't load library 'libidn.so.11'
2011-05-15 14:54 <xiangfu> Collected errors:
2011-05-15 14:54 <xiangfu> xMff: ^
2011-05-15 14:55 <xMff> xiangfu: thats the full wget, right?
2011-05-15 14:55 <xiangfu> xMff: yes. 
2011-05-15 14:55 <xMff> in this case the wget package is broken
2011-05-15 14:55 <xiangfu> then it's 'wget' problem right?
2011-05-15 14:55 <xMff> opkg just does exec()
2011-05-15 14:55 <xMff> it does not care about the wget implementation at all
2011-05-15 14:55 <xMff> libidn is probably for those funny unicode domains
2011-05-15 14:59 <xiangfu> xMff: (unicode domains) ok. 
2011-05-15 15:02 <xiangfu> we don't have this error before :(, so we have add the libidn to the 'wget' DEPENDS right?
2011-05-15 15:02 <xiangfu> I will keep testing "http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-05132011-1900/"
2011-05-15 15:02 <xiangfu> try to release a new openwrt images soon. :)
2011-05-15 15:06 <xMff> yes
2011-05-15 15:06 <xMff> hm I don't know
2011-05-15 15:07 <xMff> maybe the buildorder changes so libidn is now compiled before wget, which makes autofail pick it up so now the binary depends on it
2011-05-15 15:07 <xMff> the correction is either a --disable-idn flag for configure or a depends line in wget
2011-05-15 16:34 <kristianpaul> phew. any recomendation for a portable GSM atenna?
2011-05-15 17:10 <vladkorotnev> anybody here?
2011-05-15 17:14 <kristianpaul> hi
2011-05-15 17:15 <vladkorotnev> does the ben nanonote have the usb host?http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:AVT2_usb_host.jpg or is it a dev version of it?
2011-05-15 17:16 <kristianpaul> no usb host
2011-05-15 17:17 <kristianpaul> yup thats dev version
2011-05-15 17:17 <vladkorotnev> and then what's better: Jlime or the original openWRT?
2011-05-15 17:18 <vladkorotnev> I don't want to build my own image, I can't wait for 6hrs for the build to finish D:
2011-05-15 17:19 <kyak> you don't need to build your own image in either case
2011-05-15 17:22 <vladkorotnev> kyak: I meant if I want some pachages that are not in wrt but in jlime or vice versa
2011-05-15 17:22 <kristianpaul> vladkorotnev: both jlime an owrt have interesting features, some people like something from here or there..
2011-05-15 17:22 <kristianpaul> so hard to tell, you should find it your self
2011-05-15 17:23 <vladkorotnev> kristianpaul: what comes preinstalled on the NN, is it in the image or uploaded by Qi employees by hand?
2011-05-15 17:24 <kristianpaul> openwrt 
2011-05-15 17:24 <kristianpaul> by hand = from a micro-sd-like card
2011-05-15 17:25 <kristianpaul> wich is other method of flashing
2011-05-15 17:25 <vladkorotnev> kristianpaul: I mean gmu, gmenu2x, all the stuff. Will I be able just to use USB or uSD to reflash the NN and have it with all the same apps like just-out-of-the-box?
2011-05-15 17:26 <kristianpaul> there is a script for that too, you can check the wiki for more info about flashing alternatives
2011-05-15 17:27 <vladkorotnev> kristianpaul: reflash_ben.sh?
2011-05-15 17:27 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-05-15 18:59 <akusoy> Question: When i turn my computer on my Monitor stays on STAND-BY, multiple times it just turned on after 10-30min. What could  be wrong?
2011-05-15 19:00 <kristianpaul> humm... dunno, but i think people at #hardware channel could be more helpfull than us :-)
2011-05-15 21:41 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: we should change the channel topic to "the unhelpful hardware channel" ;-)
2011-05-15 21:41 <Jay7> no hardware help here :)
2011-05-15 21:43 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: ;-)
2011-05-15 22:34 <kristianpaul> rejon_: hey !
2011-05-15 22:34 <kristianpaul> Are you good editing wikipedia, or know somebody ?
2011-05-15 22:39 <kristianpaul> anyway, i started the wikipedia article about the nanonote
2011-05-15 22:39 <kristianpaul> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ben_Nanonote
2011-05-15 22:40 <kristianpaul> So if ANY here is free and wellcome to edit and fix ALL the erros i made.
2011-05-15 22:40 <kristianpaul> I'm not native english speark, also i dont know all the polite and cute words for articles..
2011-05-15 22:40 <kristianpaul> so help is wellcome, and hopefully will not be deleted again..
2011-05-15 22:42 <kristianpaul> also i think it should be more neutral..
2011-05-15 23:04 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: we should change the channel topic to "the unhelpful hardware channel" ;-)
2011-05-15 23:06 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: are you aware, that same message was from u was written at 16:40 ?
2011-05-15 23:06 <kristianpaul> arghas
2011-05-15 23:06 <kristianpaul> sorry
2011-05-15 23:07 <kristianpaul> i need walk
2011-05-15 23:10 <wpwrak> hm, what message ?
2011-05-15 23:11 <kristianpaul> 16:40 < wpwrak> kristianpaul: we should change the channel topic to "the unhelpful hardware channel" ;-)
2011-05-15 23:12 <kristianpaul> then again 
2011-05-15 23:12 <kristianpaul> 18:03 < wpwrak> kristianpaul: we should change the channel topic to "the unhelpful hardware channel" ;-)
2011-05-15 23:12 <kristianpaul> anyway
2011-05-15 23:12 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: please check wikipedia article abut nanonote as it have your name there !
2011-05-15 23:13 <unclouded> did you get the wikipedia article restored?  I thought it had been deleted?
2011-05-15 23:13 <wpwrak> oh. must have been up+enter. i do that a lot in windows near the xchat window
2011-05-15 23:14 <kristianpaul> unclouded: not restored i wrote it my self from scratch and cheating a bit reading the qi-hw wiki
2011-05-15 23:14 <kristianpaul> dunno how to restore articles..
2011-05-15 23:15 <kristianpaul> may be it can be merged with old one?
2011-05-15 23:17 <unclouded> kristianpaul: nice one!  I hope wikipedia leaves it alone this time
2011-05-15 23:19 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: fixed a few typos :)
2011-05-15 23:21 <kristianpaul> wpwrak:  thanks thanks !
2011-05-15 23:22 <wpwrak> the tech specs are a little inconsistent. SDHC vs. microSDHC vs. SD
2011-05-15 23:22 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-05-15 23:22 <kristianpaul> i'm aware of that
2011-05-15 23:23 <kristianpaul> what should i keep, i think SDHC is the right one
2011-05-15 23:31 <wpwrak> hmm, not sure if SDHC includes microSD. in a way, SDHC is just a protocol extension. tricky.
2011-05-15 23:31 <kristianpaul> :S
2011-05-15 23:31 <kristianpaul> i'll let like that
2011-05-15 23:32 <wpwrak> you;ll need wolfgang for the history section. here are many details i don't know exactly.
2011-05-15 23:34 <kristianpaul> yup
2011-05-15 23:34 <kristianpaul> me either
2011-05-15 23:34 <kristianpaul> sure, is just a start up