2011-05-14 00:00 <xMff> very likely
2011-05-14 00:00 <kristianpaul> dint compile opnewrt zburst since last year
2011-05-14 00:00 <mth> I have alsa-lib enabled in buildroot and it builds fine with both uClibc-0.9.30 and uClibc-0.9.31
2011-05-14 00:00 <mth> so probably there is some other factor that also matters
2011-05-14 00:01 <xMff> yes
2011-05-14 00:01 <xMff> new alsa-lib + old uclibc -> error
2011-05-14 00:01 <mth> ah, and buildroot is pointing to an older alsa-lib?
2011-05-14 00:01 <unclouded> sorry, didn't make it clear: I -am- building from the Qi repository
2011-05-14 00:02 <xMff> the qi repo has a wrokaround
2011-05-14 00:02 <xMff> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/67a7082245d4f6131a6075513b679211e556dcaa/alsa-lib/patches/002-versionsort.patch
2011-05-14 00:03 <xMff> mth: yeah
2011-05-14 00:07 <unclouded> So if I get: neil@builder:~/openwrt-xburst$ ls feeds/qipackages/alsa-lib/patches/
2011-05-14 00:07 <unclouded> 001-link_fix.patch  002-versionsort.patch  003-mips-atomic-static-inline.patch
2011-05-14 00:07 <unclouded> ..then the patch should already be applied during build?
2011-05-14 00:09 <xMff> yes
2011-05-14 00:11 <unclouded> Weird.  I'm definitely getting that build error even though the patch is there
2011-05-14 00:11 <kristianpaul> right branch?
2011-05-14 00:12 <xMff> or its not usign the oner from qi
2011-05-14 00:12 <xMff> but the one from the packages feed
2011-05-14 00:13 <unclouded> sorry, I thought I was on release_2011-02-23 but it says it's not on any branch
2011-05-14 00:14 <unclouded> how do I tell which feed it's getting alsa-lib from?
2011-05-14 00:15 <kristianpaul> doubts if openwrt from qi uses TAGs
2011-05-14 00:26 <unclouded> ok, it's not using the Qi alsa-lib.  after the error it leaves /home/neil/openwrt-xburst/feeds/packages/libs/alsa-lib
2011-05-14 00:27 <unclouded> this is after make package/symlinks and make V=99 package/alsa-lib/{clean,compile}
2011-05-14 00:27 <unclouded> how can I make it use the Qi alsa-lib?
2011-05-14 00:29 <xMff> thats why one shouldn't use package/symlinks
2011-05-14 00:29 <xMff> ./scripts/feeds uninstall alsa-lib
2011-05-14 00:29 <xMff> ./scripts/feeds install alsa-lib -p qi-packages
2011-05-14 00:30 <xMff> however, https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/26888
2011-05-14 00:30 <xMff> should fix it once and for all
2011-05-14 00:37 <wpwrak> btw, does anyone here know where the MLT (mltframework) folks hang out ? seems to be a great tool, but documentation-wise, shrouded in mystery
2011-05-14 00:46 <unclouded> My cheesy "cp feeds/qipackages/alsa-lib/patches/002-versionsort.patch feeds/packages/libs/alsa-lib/patches/" fixed it but I'll try the uninstall and install like you say
2011-05-14 00:47 <unclouded> Is "make package/symlinks" bad?  http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image suggests it
2011-05-14 01:01 <unclouded> ./scripts/feeds install alsa-lib -p qi-packages didn't work for me ( I think it thought "-p" was a package) but alsa-lib builds for me anyway now.  many thanks for the help
2011-05-14 01:53 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: did you read the yahoo patent thing I posted?
2011-05-14 02:03 <wpwrak> hmm no. where ?
2011-05-14 02:15 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/NY/News/ViewNews.aspx?id=15928
2011-05-14 02:15 <wolfspraul> so much fun to read. you will appreciate the subtleties, I'm sure...
2011-05-14 02:56 <wpwrak> ah well. yet another case. it's nice that someone is willing in that particular cesspit, but besides that, for me, the - in this area pretty much globalized - legal system has lost all credibility when it comes to patents with the RIM vs. NTP case.
2011-05-14 02:57 <wpwrak> s/willing/winning/
2011-05-14 03:03 <wolfspraul> I thought you would appreciate the sportive part of it.
2011-05-14 03:03 <wolfspraul> like the lawyers sitting in round A, learning for round B
2011-05-14 03:04 <wolfspraul> some caving in (Amazon), some betting it all
2011-05-14 03:04 <wpwrak> only yahoo betting it all, it seems
2011-05-14 03:04 <wolfspraul> I like the learning aspect, the more you get the other side the talk the more angles for attack you have.
2011-05-14 03:04 <wpwrak> and yes, the tactics are good
2011-05-14 03:04 <wolfspraul> and then the complete unpredictability of a laymen jury
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> lots of drama, acting
2011-05-14 03:05 <wpwrak> only, you can't count on such luck. so the system is still flawed
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> oh sure, of course
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> I didn't like it because Yahoo won, but because of the tactics in play.
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> it's just another form of casino
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> "google saved half a billion usd'
2011-05-14 03:05 <wolfspraul> yo sure. :-)
2011-05-14 03:06 <wpwrak> yes, the jury system sort of has the charm of cavemen trying to repair a cray-1 ...
2011-05-14 03:06 <wolfspraul> it's mostly about who has better actors, better scripting, a bit of luck too
2011-05-14 03:06 <wolfspraul> I wouldn't be surprised if all those lawyers are high-fiving each other at the end of a long day, getting a drink...
2011-05-14 03:06 <wolfspraul> after all they are all in the same industry (ahem)
2011-05-14 03:07 <wpwrak> ;-)
2011-05-14 03:07 <wpwrak> someone should slip them a bit of poison into their drinks. kill the birds on both sides with one stone ;)
2011-05-14 03:08 <wpwrak> well, i don't know if they really think like that. i know some lawyers who seem to be pretty decent persons.
2011-05-14 03:08 <wolfspraul> the part with 'learning in round A' is very interesting, even for us
2011-05-14 03:08 <wolfspraul> it shows the extreme importance for the troll to start with the biggest players first!
2011-05-14 03:08 <wolfspraul> they have a lot to loose
2011-05-14 03:09 <wolfspraul> and it gives us a HUUUUGE protection actually, in real life, not theoretically
2011-05-14 03:09 <wolfspraul> they would be crazy to pull out any small fish first, and make all sorts of legally binding statements that later victims can use against the troll
2011-05-14 03:09 <wpwrak> it also works the other way: if they start with the weak target, the weak target can remind the next in line that that should put up as strong a defense as they can.
2011-05-14 03:09 <wolfspraul> we could in fact try to find a larger one to help us
2011-05-14 03:10 <wolfspraul> because via our defense lawyer, the larger guy can already extract potentially damaging statements from the other side
2011-05-14 03:10 <wpwrak> better for google to pay you 10 M for legal fees than them losing and having to pay several 100 M
2011-05-14 03:10 <wpwrak> yes, exactly
2011-05-14 03:10 <wolfspraul> and as the article said, there was a whole bunch of lawyers siting in round A diligently, taking notes :-)
2011-05-14 03:11 <wolfspraul> no but this whole thing illustrates how important it is for them to start at the top
2011-05-14 03:11 <wolfspraul> and 20 years is not that long
2011-05-14 03:11 <wolfspraul> it typically takes about 10 years until even the case against the top is starting to roll
2011-05-14 03:11 <wolfspraul> then we just have to be under the radar for another 10 years, which passes fast in legal time
2011-05-14 03:12 <wolfspraul> so the 'patent troll' risk is really very very small for us
2011-05-14 03:12 <wpwrak> (start at the top) i don't know how the appeals process works in the us. a big player would have the resources to go through many costly iterations, while a small player may fold more quickly.
2011-05-14 03:12 <wolfspraul> only leaving cases such as sivel where we are almost in the net by accident
2011-05-14 03:12 <wpwrak> so their bet is whether you're a) small enough to fold, and b) can't get anyone to support you
2011-05-14 03:12 <wolfspraul> the small player may get indirect help from a larger one
2011-05-14 03:13 <wolfspraul> no they need to start at the top
2011-05-14 03:13 <wolfspraul> absolutely
2011-05-14 03:13 <wpwrak> i guess in the case of sisvel, the excellent pr openmoko had kinda backfired :)
2011-05-14 03:13 <wolfspraul> that's a must in their business model (the patent troll)
2011-05-14 03:13 <wolfspraul> no from all I heard it's just a side-effect, because they have this 'mp3' dragnet at customs
2011-05-14 03:13 <wolfspraul> and there was something about mp3 on the headset label or so
2011-05-14 03:14 <wolfspraul> I am 100% sure, if sisvel could, they would rather never have found om
2011-05-14 03:14 <wolfspraul> it's like when you are fishing you get all these fish that are not profitable -> you have to throw them out into the water again
2011-05-14 03:14 <wolfspraul> being small is a very effective protection against patent trolls
2011-05-14 03:14 <wolfspraul> the only way they can make money is from the large guys
2011-05-14 03:15 <wpwrak> (a must) i wouldn't count on it. it's good for us if they do, i but i think it's dangerous to rely on that. you also have to consider that the us system has the concept of precedence - future cases have to consider previous ruling (unless overruled at a higher instance). so it still makes sense to go for a weak target first.
2011-05-14 03:15 <wolfspraul> that's where the speed of the system and the potential payouts match to make a living for lawyers who could easily make 200k usd/year or more elsewhere
2011-05-14 03:15 <wolfspraul> nah they are cold blooded. they want to make money, not fix every 'injustice' in the world
2011-05-14 03:16 <wpwrak> (mp3 dragnet) funny. i wonder how this works. can you make customs officials to scan for your keywords and alert you ? kinda like google ads but for free ?
2011-05-14 03:16 <wolfspraul> if I would be attacked from a troll, I would make a quick round email letter to large corps who may be potentially the next target
2011-05-14 03:16 <wolfspraul> but I doubt this will ever happen because the troll made a big mistake in going after the small fish first
2011-05-14 03:16 <wolfspraul> yes, definitely
2011-05-14 03:17 <wolfspraul> customs has databases etc.
2011-05-14 03:17 <wolfspraul> how else could it work?
2011-05-14 03:17 <wolfspraul> so they have databases of brands and official importers
2011-05-14 03:17 <wpwrak> nice service :)
2011-05-14 03:17 <wolfspraul> and for patents I would think they get lists from sisvel too as to which brands are OK
2011-05-14 03:18 <wolfspraul> german customs office has 34,000 employees
2011-05-14 03:18 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-05-14 03:20 <wolfspraul> but it's not enough to keep every 'customs gate' at Frankfurt airport staffed
2011-05-14 03:20 <wolfspraul> but no worries, actual professional smugglers would never use modern communication networks to find such tiny holes as the gate at Germany's largest airport only having a phone (!) to call a customs officer if you need one
2011-05-14 03:21 <wolfspraul> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Kontrollstelle_FRA-Zoll_Telefon.jpg&filetimestamp=20100724231657
2011-05-14 03:21 <wolfspraul> the absurdity of those structures is a topic in and of itself, I guess
2011-05-14 03:21 <wpwrak> oh, i'm sure profession smugglers are in good shape in that arms race. it's the amateurs who get caught.
2011-05-14 03:21 <wolfspraul> but as long as the monthly paychecks keep coming, we don't need to worry about those 34k people anymore...
2011-05-14 03:22 <wolfspraul> I saw those empty gates myself
2011-05-14 03:22 <wolfspraul> at smaller airports you already have working hours mo-fr 9-5pm or so
2011-05-14 03:22 <wpwrak> (empty gates) with people passing ? or just closed ?
2011-05-14 03:22 <wolfspraul> and if your airplane lands outside of those, say a chartered airplane from, let's say south america, then a nice poster reminds you to call a number if you need a customs agent
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> nah
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> with a phone!
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> this is what they do officially Werner
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> you don't know how crazy reality is already
2011-05-14 03:23 <wolfspraul> they are 'appealing to the honesty of travelers' with this innovation
2011-05-14 03:23 <wpwrak> international travel isn't entirely unknown to me ;-)
2011-05-14 03:24 <wpwrak> at most places, they have random controls
2011-05-14 03:24 <wpwrak> at some places, they control everyone
2011-05-14 03:24 <wolfspraul> in Germany they have a phone and a nice poster explaining to you what you should do
2011-05-14 03:24 <wpwrak> haven't been to any airport where they wouldn't at least have the possibility of checking international passengers
2011-05-14 03:24 <wolfspraul> not everywhere, but at some gates in Frankfurt - very funny I think
2011-05-14 03:25 <wpwrak> (although this is quite often some sort of racial profiling)
2011-05-14 03:25 <wolfspraul> "Die Bundeszollverwaltung reagiert aufgrund anhaltenden Personalmangels mit der Einrichtung von Telefonen an den unbesetzten Kontrollstellen. Reisende können nun telefonisch einen Zollbeamten bestellen, der nach einiger Wartezeit an der Kontrollstelle erscheint und eine Kontrolle bzw. Abfertigung durchführt. Diese Vorgehensweise sorgte im Juli 2010 für heftige Kritik. Der Zoll erklärte dazu in einer Stellungnahme, man appelliere mit diesem Konz
2011-05-14 03:25 <wolfspraul> hilarious
2011-05-14 03:25 <wpwrak> heh ;-)
2011-05-14 03:26 <wpwrak> sounds like "dienst nach vorschrift" :)
2011-05-14 03:26 <wpwrak> but maybe that's for some eu-internal traffic
2011-05-14 03:26 <wolfspraul> nah
2011-05-14 03:26 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-05-14 03:26 <wpwrak> well, no, it's outbound traffic. it's before the security check
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> keep dreaming :-)
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> I'm not against that anyway
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> hey I live in China :-)
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> the whole culture here is like that
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> there's a front door with a lot of bells and whistles
2011-05-14 03:27 <wpwrak> sure. that's for people who are leaving and are carrying something they don't want to have troubles bringing back home.
2011-05-14 03:27 <wolfspraul> and there's a back door
2011-05-14 03:28 <wolfspraul> the ones inbound are equally unstaffed, some of them ("personalmangel")
2011-05-14 03:28 <wolfspraul> and I guess now this has already spread from smaller airports to Frankfurt
2011-05-14 03:28 <wolfspraul> niec
2011-05-14 03:28 <wolfspraul> at smaller airports they have these absurd posters already for many years
2011-05-14 03:29 <wolfspraul> so if you have a whole chartered airplane full of drugs, you just need to make sure you land on a saturday or sunday...
2011-05-14 03:29 <wolfspraul> and you have to make sure nobody tips you off, that part is still working
2011-05-14 03:29 <wpwrak> at most places, customs mainly seem to play a role in catching enough of the really bad stuff. they do, from time to time. maybe enough to keep the threat credible.
2011-05-14 03:30 <wolfspraul> my favorite in frankfurt was that there was a wide line of carousels for arriving luggage. and at the front over a distance of maybe 100m there were 2 customs exits.
2011-05-14 03:30 <wpwrak> i get to meet the bad cases when something trips up at customs here. like people bringing a suitcase full of luxury watches and such.
2011-05-14 03:30 <wolfspraul> on one side it was staffed, on the other side (50m to the left) it was unstaffed (just walk through)
2011-05-14 03:31 <wolfspraul> I found out by accident because I had to walk over to the lost luggage office, and then I just left via the unstaffed one
2011-05-14 03:31 <wolfspraul> but most people on that plane from china were dutifully searched just 50m to the side
2011-05-14 03:31 <wolfspraul> insanity...
2011-05-14 03:31 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-05-14 03:31 <wpwrak> naw, customs rarely search
2011-05-14 03:32 <wolfspraul> no no. Germany is learning some China culture.
2011-05-14 03:32 <wolfspraul> so on the official line, the 'bad things from China' travelers, they are being searched very thoroughly
2011-05-14 03:32 <wolfspraul> but taht doesn't mean that some german culture would be there still ("personalmangel"), meaning that you need to walk a bit to the side for the unstaffed gate, if you want to
2011-05-14 03:32 <wpwrak> still, you have to calculate risk of detection times cost of detection minus value of smuggling. as long as this is positive, or at least you think it is, customs win.
2011-05-14 03:32 <wolfspraul> that's where Germany and China meet...
2011-05-14 03:34 <wpwrak> funny that they'd look for bad stuff from china, with all the severe drug laws and such. that's usually the main concern.
2011-05-14 03:34 <wpwrak> well, a fierce bark to control the sheep
2011-05-14 03:36 <wolfspraul> they look for pirated movies
2011-05-14 03:37 <wolfspraul> pirated pharmaceuticals
2011-05-14 03:37 <wolfspraul> you can make a lot of money importing antibiotics from China to Germany
2011-05-14 03:37 <wolfspraul> for example
2011-05-14 03:37 <wolfspraul> and there seems to be a growing market to sell them for cash in Germany too
2011-05-14 03:38 <wolfspraul> I've seen a whole suitcase full of pharmaceuticals - they were arguing whether it's for personal use or not :-)
2011-05-14 03:38 <wolfspraul> and since you can buy movies on the street for 50 cents here, some people bring their whole collection with them, that's a field day for customs
2011-05-14 03:39 <wpwrak> (suitcase full of pills) nice ;)
2011-05-14 03:40 <wpwrak> so it's all about drugs and IPR. maybe we the legal system should just take the hint and make both illegal ;-)
2011-05-14 03:44 <wpwrak> s/we //
2011-05-14 04:13 <unclouded> is it possible to reflash just u-boot and the kernel?  I did so thinking it would use the old root fs but when I boot the NanoNote it says "e to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" is this related to the fact I've not yet re-flashed mtd2 or is it a separate problem?
2011-05-14 04:14 <unclouded> the latest u-boot and kernel from http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/latest/ that is
2011-05-14 07:41 <fusin> hi qiots ;)
2011-05-14 07:41 <wolfspraul> hi
2011-05-14 07:43 <fusin> Sunny day, but have to do some 'homework' :(
2011-05-14 07:54 <kyak> unclouded: what is your rootfs size?
2011-05-14 07:55 <kyak> your "old" rootfs, that is
2011-05-14 07:55 <unclouded> kyak: 256MB.  I don't know what was wrong but when I left reflash-ben.sh do its thing it all just worked
2011-05-14 07:55 <unclouded> s/left/let/
2011-05-14 07:55 <kyak> unclouded: so that's the problem.. in latest kernels rootfs size had changed to 512 Mb
2011-05-14 07:56 <kyak> now that you reflashed rootfs, too, you are good to update just bootloader and kernel any time you wish
2011-05-14 07:56 <kyak> (see the options of reflash-ben.sh)
2011-05-14 07:57 <kyak> unclouded: updating rootfs is a good idea anyway, your's seemed to be a little bit outdated :)
2011-05-14 07:57 <unclouded> I forgot that reflash-ben.sh changes the sizes of the devices as well.  you're right: it's 512MB now
2011-05-14 07:58 <unclouded> kyak: very out of date.  I've not touched the Ben in a while now
2011-05-14 08:00 <kyak> unclouded: yep, it's been a while now :) but i'm still very much enjoying your work with setfont2 and nightsky :)
2011-05-14 08:01 <unclouded> kyak: thank you for saying so.  setfont2 is a love-hate thing it seems since it doesn't support colour
2011-05-14 08:03 <kyak> you are right; i accepted that setfont2 can't be used just everywhere.. sometimes color is must have
2011-05-14 08:04 <kyak> unclouded: regarding your problem with alsa-lib
2011-05-14 08:04 <kyak> there is a patch http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/alsa-lib/patches/002-versionsort.patch
2011-05-14 08:04 <kyak> so you shouldn't have this problem actually.. make sure you are using the latest openwrt-packages git (master)
2011-05-14 08:06 <kyak> this patch can't go upstream openwrt because versionsort() is available in uClibc 0.9.32.. So we had to override alsa-lib package from our feed
2011-05-14 08:06 <unclouded> kyak: thanks for the suggestion.  the problem ended up being that alsa-lib from the "packages" feed was being preferred over the "qipackages" feed, so when I copied the 002 patch to the alsa-lib from OpenWRT then it worked for me
2011-05-14 08:06 <kyak> also make sure that openwrt-packages repo is the first line in feeds.conf
2011-05-14 08:06 <kyak> oh yes, what you said is also an option
2011-05-14 08:07 <unclouded> really?  I thought they did some magic upstream so that it now works with older or newer uClibc
2011-05-14 08:07 <kyak> in general, putting qipackages feed on top of feeds.conf is preferred :)
2011-05-14 08:07 <kyak> cause we have some other packages to override...
2011-05-14 08:08 <xiangfu> kyak: do you have the "MPlayer-r33341.tar.gz" in your local.
2011-05-14 08:08 <kyak> unclouded: hm.. i'm not aware of any upstream regarding alsa-lib :)
2011-05-14 08:08 <unclouded> kyak: I tried putting qipackages at the top and it picked up the OpenWRT one anyway.  weird
2011-05-14 08:08 <unclouded> kyak: xMff referred to https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/26888
2011-05-14 08:08 <xiangfu> kyak: I got an error about create "MPlayer-r33341.tar.gz" in buildhost. so I would like ask if you already have that in your local :)
2011-05-14 08:09 <kyak> unclouded: you might need to rm the feeds/ dir and recreate it from scratch (make package/symlinks)
2011-05-14 08:10 <kyak> unclouded: ah, yes, that would work well! but i guess we haven't picked that commit in our repo
2011-05-14 08:10 <kyak> xiangfu: regarding the buildhost, you should check the overlapping cronjobs :)
2011-05-14 08:11 <kyak> xiangfu: i noticed that the "trunk" full build from 12 May got interrupted by 13 May build
2011-05-14 08:11 <xiangfu> kyak: yes. changed it to */3 :)
2011-05-14 08:12 <kyak> xiangfu: but your problem with MPlayer is because you didn't pick the latest commit during build
2011-05-14 08:12 <kyak> the ffmpeg git revision been fixed again..
2011-05-14 08:12 <kyak> some time after your build had started
2011-05-14 08:13 <xiangfu> kyak: ok. thanks for the info. then it's should works fine this time,
2011-05-14 08:13 <kyak> xiangfu: yup, should work fine
2011-05-14 08:13 <xiangfu> this one: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-05132011-1900/
2011-05-14 08:13 <xiangfu> kyak: ok. thanks for the info.
2011-05-14 08:19 <kyak> well, since the patch in the ticket https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/9047 is finally accepted, we can just remove alsa-lib from openwrt-package next time we catch up with upstream backfire
2011-05-14 08:22 <xiangfu> great.
2011-05-14 08:24 <unclouded> hey xiangfu, how is the netsurf port coming along?
2011-05-14 08:25 <xiangfu> unclouded: I think it's wolfgang found the 
2011-05-14 08:25 <xiangfu> netsurf
2011-05-14 08:26 <kyak> i don't find netsurf usable, not without keymouse package
2011-05-14 08:26 <xiangfu> then we just port it to nanonote. it's can run 'script' , so it's maybe a nice client for web develop 
2011-05-14 08:27 <kyak> its sdl interface has just few keybindings (only up/down arrows, i think).. everything else is mouse
2011-05-14 08:28 <kyak> i wonder if "links -g" supports javascript..
2011-05-14 08:30 <kyak> with "keymouse" it's much better.. at least you can look around and follow links
2011-05-14 08:39 <unclouded> kyak: does keymouse work in userspace or does it need a kernel patch?
2011-05-14 08:40 <kyak> unclouded: it works in userspace but needs some kernel options enabled (they are already enabled)
2011-05-14 08:41 <kyak> you can just "opkg update && opkg install keymouse && /etc/init.d/keymouse start" (it doesn't start automatically)
2011-05-14 08:42 <unclouded> kyak: already packaged? sweet
2011-05-14 08:42 <kyak> yeah :)
2011-05-14 09:51 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/221ff09
2011-05-14 10:00 <lunavorax_mini> Hi all !
2011-05-14 10:57 <qwebirc32769> Hi all, Where can I find better libraries, better kernel, better tools for my nanonote?
2011-05-14 11:11 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux-kernel (master): add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y for cleaner DMA support http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4cb562b
2011-05-14 11:18 <dvdk> just compiled 'master' branch with config.mininimal and updated my kernel.  Just wondering, why doesn't openwrt-xburst.git in the 'master' branch build a kernel module .ipk?  now i have the new kernel, but still old modules
2011-05-14 11:20 <dvdk> or is this now part of base-files?
2011-05-14 11:23 <kyak> kernel modules are packaged as kmod-*.ipk
2011-05-14 11:23 <kyak> if you are referring to sound modules, they are built-in kernel
2011-05-14 11:24 <kyak> they can't be kmod and monolythic and the same time :)
2011-05-14 11:58 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5974e6b
2011-05-14 12:00 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/38ada8f
2011-05-14 12:00 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: keymouse: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/3c53b09
2011-05-14 12:07 <dvdk> kyak: but there is no kmod-*.ipk in my bin/xburst/packages/ after 'make' finished :/
2011-05-14 12:07 <dvdk> kyak: does it need a setting in .config to be generated?
2011-05-14 12:07 <dvdk> btw just created a Freshmeat-Entry for the Nanonote Firmware
2011-05-14 12:08 <dvdk> http://freshmeat.net/projects/nanonote-firmware
2011-05-14 12:08 <dvdk> it's still awaiting approval, so many information (links etc.) that i submitted are still missing
2011-05-14 12:09 <dvdk> as software releases submitted to freashmeat are also shortly visible on slashdot, I hope that's going to help us get a little more publicity :)
2011-05-14 12:11 <kyak> dvdk: if there are no ipks, then yo udon't have any kernel modules selected to build (which is obvious since you are buildin miniaml)
2011-05-14 13:13 <dvdk> kyak: you mean I'd have to select kernel modules manually?  hmm.  ok now i feel enlightned :)
2011-05-14 13:13 <dvdk> gotta go for now
2011-05-14 13:13 <dvdk> cu
2011-05-14 13:14 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5a29baa
2011-05-14 13:16 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: fix typo from the previous commit -\ http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d476d08
2011-05-14 13:21 <kristianpaul> http://adrianbowyer.blogspot.com/2011/05/opennetwork.html text is not verygood at all, but i like the pic ;-)
2011-05-14 13:32 <wpwrak> she looks very innocent, bordering on naive
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] cshore: This patch provides an image suitable for the alix2*, alix3, and alix6 headless (non-VGA equipped) SBC's. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/33f2d48
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] cshore: Add missed files from previous commit: This patch provides an image suitable for the alix2*, alix3, and alix6 headless (non-VGA equipped) SBC's. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0118ba5
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] cshore: [x86] Removed Alix.mk profile which was accidently left as an empty file applying the patch during r26879 and r26880. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/806e48f
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] hcg: [omap35xx] Squash uids http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6680382
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] hcg: [omap35xx]: Add new defconfig and profile for es variant http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b72f880
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] hcg: Correct libc path http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c7cd315
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a2935f2
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f446b1b
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8a0023b
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/84cccdf
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2faacbc
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e5c7eb5
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a359f18
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7f543fb
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/35dc6c4
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/95c91ff
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5f2d546
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cb40b21
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a85f9e8
2011-05-14 13:35 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: fix typo from the previous commit -\ http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/19c8cd7
2011-05-14 18:53 <vladkorotnev> anybody here? :p
2011-05-14 18:54 <vladkorotnev> may I use a debian VM to reflash the Ben NanoNote?
2011-05-14 19:08 <kristianpaul> not, should not
2011-05-14 19:08 <vladkorotnev> kristianpaul: why?
2011-05-14 19:14 <urandom__> vladkorotnev: it might not work
2011-05-14 19:15 <urandom__> reflashing from linux or sd-card is an better idea
2011-05-14 19:15 <vladkorotnev> urandom__: Yi told me that she uses a Ubuntu VM on a Mac to reflash NNs
2011-05-14 19:17 <urandom__> well if it works thats great but it is said that using a VM can cause problems
2011-05-14 19:18 <vladkorotnev> This page http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash had a notice about VMs, but when I asked Wolfgang via email, he said that it'll work and removed the notice
2011-05-14 19:20 <urandom__> ok good to know, so just go ahead
2011-05-14 19:20 <vladkorotnev> well I'm waiting for my NN, if tracking is correct it should arrive very soon
2011-05-14 19:21 <vladkorotnev> but the VM is now set up with XBurst tools and so on