2011-05-13 04:56 <kyak> Canada was out of luck yesterday
2011-05-13 04:56 <kyak> first USA (read South Park), the Russia (read hockey)
2011-05-13 04:56 <kyak> *then
2011-05-13 04:57 <kyak> :)
2011-05-13 07:57 <wpwrak> kyak: what happened with south park ?
2011-05-13 12:32 <kyak> wpwrak: they made laugh of Canada, once again
2011-05-13 12:41 <wpwrak> kyak: hmm, it may have to come to war after all. only blood can wash away the shame.
2011-05-13 12:56 <kyak> wpwrak: :)
2011-05-13 14:12 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: you will like this http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/NY/News/ViewNews.aspx?id=15928
2011-05-13 14:12 <wolfspraul> some legal reality
2011-05-13 14:13 <wolfspraul> creativity finds its niche in all professions, it seems :-)
2011-05-13 14:13 <wolfspraul> so we should be careful to make too many assumptions sometimes, just my thinking...
2011-05-13 14:16 <wolfspraul> when I read this article, it sounds more like sports than law to me, somehow
2011-05-13 14:31 <wpwrak> grmbl. cd /sbin; mv reboot reboot-ws  # i hate it when i reboot my workstation instead of the ben
2011-05-13 14:36 <kodein> haha
2011-05-13 14:37 <kodein> I can see how that can get annoying
2011-05-13 15:13 <Fusin> good evening Qiots ;)
2011-05-13 15:15 <qwebirc48371> wpwrak this is a clever little device. would be cool accessory fo Ben http://www.elektor.com/news/25-dollar-computer-has-arm11-processor-and-hdmi.1811108.lynkx
2011-05-13 15:16 <qwebirc48371> is rjeffries on  a computer with no smuxi client
2011-05-13 15:16 <Fusin> hi rjeff on computer with no chat-client
2011-05-13 15:17 <Fusin> what good is a computer without chat???? 8)
2011-05-13 15:19 <Fusin> wow @ Raspberry
2011-05-13 15:20 <wpwrak> rjeffries: this deivce has been mentioned about a dozen times here already, besides making pretty much all the major and minor news outlets ;-)
2011-05-13 15:21 <wpwrak> rjeffries: yes it's cute. take a ben, put in ubb-vga, wrap some duct tape around it so that you don't see that it has screen and keyboard, and voila, you have pretty much the same :)
2011-05-13 15:22 <Fusin> right, but the ben version is 4 times more money
2011-05-13 15:29 <wpwrak> Fusin: maybe you can get some rejects with broken display a little cheaper ;-)
2011-05-13 15:30 <wpwrak> Fusin: also, are they mass-producing that USD 25 device already and this is the final cost for the customer ? or could this maybe just be the BOM cost ?
2011-05-13 15:31 <Fusin> yep. also, if they add display, keyboard, battery, it will cost more than 25 bucks
2011-05-13 15:32 <Fusin> time ti food yet, i'll be back (with stomac filled)
2011-05-13 15:32 <roh> i think its vaporvare.
2011-05-13 15:32 <qwebirc48371> wpwrak cute reply, but off base. How would one add a camera module to Ben? Whatever. ;)
2011-05-13 15:33 <roh> my guess is: for 25$ they could get all parts bom besides what they get sponsored(no money), it includes no pcb (or a sponsored one) and no manufacturing(soldering) no case)
2011-05-13 15:33 <qwebirc48371> geeze I am not suggesting an alternative to Ben. but you know that.I specifically asked if this could be an accessory
2011-05-13 15:34 <qwebirc48371> I do not think the $25 is selling price. I think it could be done for $50
2011-05-13 15:34 <qwebirc48371> assuming very very thin margins
2011-05-13 15:34 <roh> qwebirc48371: well.. maybe. in obscene numbers. and no earnings.
2011-05-13 15:35 <roh> currently my estimation is that the pcb and cpu alone cost >20$
2011-05-13 15:35 <qwebirc48371> the goal is not profit they guy wants to provide computing to kids who have no nothinh
2011-05-13 15:35 <roh> qwebirc48371: sure. nice idea. that stuff will not help em.
2011-05-13 15:35 <roh> see olpc. much more realistic.
2011-05-13 15:35 <qwebirc48371> you are high on the cpu roh one can get a nice ARM for ~$5 or les
2011-05-13 15:36 <roh> qwebirc48371: arm is a scalar from 40cent to 12$.
2011-05-13 15:36 <roh> thats not it. the one they use there is quite fast and expensive. also not the issue
2011-05-13 15:36 <qwebirc48371> guys, get a grip. this is not trying to be OLPC (a cool project, yes)
2011-05-13 15:37 <roh> qwebirc48371: what i dont get is: why does this guy not cooperate with olpc or so? to me it looks more like a pr-stunt as anything really altrusistic. i am not convinced of the 'helping kids' intention in that case.
2011-05-13 15:39 <roh> qwebirc48371: oem-ing some ready made hw would also be much cheaper. stuff wit that specs exists already.
2011-05-13 15:39 <roh> problem stays the same: which poor people do you know which have a hdmi-port on a tv but no money for a computer?
2011-05-13 15:41 <qwebirc48371> OLPC is a very nice system. But let's say someone can make a very stripped down minimal system that hooks up to a HDMI TV (most TVs have that interface these days) and use a $3 full size keyboard to learn programming e.g. Lua, Basic, Forth... it's a cool ideea. he will eiether fail, or maybe he makes it happen. good on him 
2011-05-13 15:41 <roh> qwebirc48371: most tvs: bs.
2011-05-13 15:41 <roh> most tvs on this planet are CRT. also in developing nations.
2011-05-13 15:41 <roh> s/also/especially
2011-05-13 15:42 <roh> an none of these has hdmi.
2011-05-13 15:43 <roh> from my pov the assumtion that people have hdmi ports (especially poor ones) is incredibly arrogant.
2011-05-13 15:43 <jlamothe> qwebirc48371: Isn't that the idea behind the raspberry pi?
2011-05-13 15:43 <qwebirc48371> it did cross my mind that wolfspraul & Co. could offer this organization a Ben in large quantity for maybe $50 and THAT could chnage the world. ;)
2011-05-13 15:43 <jlamothe> (perhaps what you were talking about... I haven't been paying attention to this channel)  ;)
2011-05-13 15:44 <qwebirc48371> roh you are out of date about TVs this guy is targeting UK. you can not buy a flat screen that does not have HDMI. ;)
2011-05-13 15:44 <roh> qwebirc48371: i think nobel intentions are good. but first and most of all, the third world doesnt need more of our electric garbage. and no low-end computing.
2011-05-13 15:45 <roh> qwebirc48371: and why doesnt he organize hw-recycling courses then?
2011-05-13 15:45 <roh> you can get hw with that specs easily for free.
2011-05-13 15:45 <roh> in container-volumes.
2011-05-13 15:46 <qwebirc48371> roh would you like him to use Ben's ? just askin'  ;)
2011-05-13 15:46 <roh> qwebirc48371: if it would be ok for his ideas, sure. mostly i think a monitor and a keyboard with it are fine.
2011-05-13 15:47 <roh> on the other hand... second hand N900 are coming down from 200 to 100E value now also ;)
2011-05-13 15:47 <roh> but i am not sure. is it really a problem getting your hands onto a computer in the uk?
2011-05-13 15:49 <roh> uh. need to run. sorry. bbl
2011-05-13 17:24 <DocScrutinizer> roh: (hdmi) exactly my point as of a few days ago
2011-05-13 17:25 <lunavorax_mini> What ?
2011-05-13 17:46 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: it says that it also has composite video. at least they got that right ;-)
2011-05-13 17:46 <DocScrutinizer> oh, ok
2011-05-13 17:47 <DocScrutinizer> just for fun: http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2011_1/linux-world-map-large.png
2011-05-13 17:48 <DocScrutinizer> I found myself loving the noob desert
2011-05-13 17:51 <wpwrak> cute :)
2011-05-13 17:51 <wpwrak> but shouldn't this be "the _forbidding_ land of gentoo" ? :)
2011-05-13 17:54 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
2011-05-13 17:55 <wpwrak> interesting. to play a quicktime video in decent quality, i must not use avformat, libdv, or vorbis (which both somehow know how to decode it), but ppm.melt (mlt) is strange ...
2011-05-13 18:08 <wpwrak> hmm ... http://frei0r.dyne.org/gallery  "Frei0r plugin gallery". when you click on the name of one of those visual effects, it gives you the source code. quite the hardcore "gallery" :)
2011-05-13 18:09 <kristianpaul> stay at the debian republic for now
2011-05-13 18:14 <Jay7> is in Archland near The Great Compile and Chackra Bay :)
2011-05-13 19:59 <Fusin> wtf?
2011-05-13 20:04 <lunavorax_mini> KDE Sea, the swimming pool for dummies
2011-05-13 20:04 <lunavorax_mini> stop trolling
2011-05-13 20:06 <lunavorax_mini> wpwrak, what were you talking about that has composite video ?
2011-05-13 20:10 <Fusin> loves his Mint-Laptop ;)
2011-05-13 20:49 <Fusin> ?
2011-05-13 21:01 <wpwrak> lunavorax_mini: that "$25 pc"
2011-05-13 21:20 <lunavorax_mini> wpwrak, oh ok, the specs changed then ?
2011-05-13 21:25 <wpwrak> lunavorax_mini: no, i think people just keep on overlooking that it also has composite video
2011-05-13 21:25 <lunavorax_mini> wpwrak, Ok I see that
2011-05-13 21:25 <lunavorax_mini> wpwrak, this HDMI output seriously is pathetic
2011-05-13 21:26 <lunavorax_mini> wpwrak, I may be too old-school anyway. Probably bad for a 20yrs old haha
2011-05-13 21:28 <lunavorax_mini> I always though that in order to really learn "computing" (understand programming) you had to use a slow machine, because it was making you understand why you have to write good and efficient code.
2011-05-13 21:28 <lunavorax_mini> So even 700mhz cpu may be a little too high ;P
2011-05-13 23:23 <kristianpaul> Hey, anyone had tried musl? seems smaller that uclib
2011-05-13 23:56 <unclouded> Hi, can someone please help me building OpenWRT? Specifically alsa-lib doesn't build.  it says "error: 'versionsort' undeclared".  This page: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.uclibc.buildroot/29842 says it's because versionsort is not available in uClibc-0.9.30
2011-05-13 23:56 <kristianpaul> had you asked at #openwrt?
2011-05-13 23:58 <unclouded> nope. will do, thx
2011-05-13 23:59 <xMff> unclouded: known issue
2011-05-13 23:59 <kristianpaul> dunno is this is also present in openwrt from qi repo..