2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-xtal/atben.c: mention that the AT86RF230 driver can also be disabled http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d184d1d 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/atben.c (atben_open): corrected comment claiming the clock was 316 MHz http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/89bcd3c 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atrf-xtal/atben.c: added missing #include; corrected garbled comment http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/180603e 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile (.PHONY): added development-only phony targets http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c5992bc 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw: fixed USB bus reset handling by software http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/eeb3af6 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile (dfu): pass transfer size to hide DFU non-compliance http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/0db361d 2011-05-10 01:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/README: updated for complete firmware upload process http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1f99435 2011-05-10 01:22 heh, how do we unban the unfortunate DocScrutinizer ? 2011-05-10 01:30 wolfspraul: do you know how to unban someone at qi-bot ? we have DocScrutinizer meekly scratching at the door after he got himself kicked :) 2011-05-10 01:30 wow 2011-05-10 01:31 I knew it a bit with op may be dagerous someday.. 2011-05-10 01:31 s/bit/bot 2011-05-10 01:31 hmm 2011-05-10 01:31 no idea, but this is something new, so it's fun :-) 2011-05-10 01:31 hey qi-bot, don't misbehave, eh? 2011-05-10 01:32 how did DocScrutinizer get kicked? 2011-05-10 01:32 wpwrak: i think kick dont mean ban actually 2011-05-10 01:32 he did a bunch of nick changes 2011-05-10 01:32 wpwrak: http://paste.debian.net/116506/ 2011-05-10 01:33 in gmenu2x, do we have to support 24bpp? the non-padded version, I mean, as opposed to 32bpp of which 8 bits are unused 2011-05-10 01:34 kristianpaul: he was banned and then kicked 2011-05-10 01:34 maybe it will just time out? 2011-05-10 01:34 ah +b 2011-05-10 01:34 wolfspraul: can you do op? 2011-05-10 01:34 mth: draw, then quarter. traditional justice ;-) 2011-05-10 01:35 er schlaegtÂ Â /mode #qi-hardware Â Â vor 2011-05-10 01:35 i think is matter of aply -b flag to his nick.. 2011-05-10 01:35 oopsÂ Â /mode #qi-hardware -q 2011-05-10 01:36 someone needs to become operator first 2011-05-10 01:36 grmbl. LANG didn't survive the context switch, sorry 2011-05-10 01:36 ah.. :-) 2011-05-10 01:36 afaik you ask ChanServ to make you operator 2011-05-10 01:36 lets ask qi-bot ;) 2011-05-10 01:37 kristianpaul: be careful, it you're not super polite it might ban you ;) 2011-05-10 01:37 lol 2011-05-10 01:37 mth: you mean this 24bp is obsolte in the code? 2011-05-10 01:37 well I'm not an op either 2011-05-10 01:38 there is a console somewhere, lemme see... 2011-05-10 01:38 kristianpaul: I'd like to remove it because it would simplify the code, but I don't know if there is still hardware we'd like to support that uses non-padded 24bpp 2011-05-10 01:38 mth: not for now i think :-) 2011-05-10 01:38 afaik the NanoNote uses 32bpp and the Dingoo uses 16bpp 2011-05-10 01:38 hmm 2011-05-10 01:39 that will mean break upstream.. 2011-05-10 01:39 cant it became optional instead? 2011-05-10 01:39 s/cant/can 2011-05-10 01:40 it's quite possible no device supported by gmenu2x uses this format 2011-05-10 01:40 this code is from SFont, which is about 10 years old 2011-05-10 01:41 :/ 2011-05-10 01:41 maybe older when it was first written 2011-05-10 01:41 don't know, this eggdrop thing is too cryptic for me 2011-05-10 01:42 let me just restart qi-bot, maybe that helps... 2011-05-10 01:42 wolfspraul: maybe you can ask chanserv to give you op status ? 2011-05-10 01:43 bah there's so many settings and flags in all this 2011-05-10 01:43 I have no idea... 2011-05-10 01:43 /msg ChanServ op #qi-hardware wolfspraul 2011-05-10 01:43 just try.. 2011-05-10 01:43 you mean I should type that? 2011-05-10 01:43 ok 2011-05-10 01:43 you are not authorized to perform this operation 2011-05-10 01:43 :/ 2011-05-10 01:44 defeated by the bots ;-) 2011-05-10 01:44 sooner or later.. 2011-05-10 01:47 "/msg ChanServ access #qi-hardware list" lists vegyraupe and qi-bot as having special access rights 2011-05-10 01:48 ha wpwrak is the owner 2011-05-10 01:48 wolfspraul* 2011-05-10 01:50 /msg qi-botÂ Â op _password_ 2011-05-10 01:51 you mean I should type that? 2011-05-10 01:51 so that should give you op, so you can do more 2011-05-10 01:51 yes 2011-05-10 01:51 acordinf to http://www.egghelp.org/commands/irc.htm#msg_op 2011-05-10 01:52 nothing happened 2011-05-10 01:53 man vs. machine, 0:3 ;-) 2011-05-10 01:54 wolfspraul: I guess you could ask freenode staff to add you to the access list for gaining op privileges 2011-05-10 01:54 I don't know how they check the validity of such requests though 2011-05-10 01:54 thats not the best option.. 2011-05-10 01:54 no no, that's not needed 2011-05-10 01:54 when vegyraupe left we cleaned this all up 2011-05-10 01:54 well, it is useful to have someone who is regularly on the channel that can become op 2011-05-10 01:54 the channel is registered, and qi-bot is one of the founders etc. 2011-05-10 01:55 so everything is rooted by qi-bot, and qi-bot is 100% under control of the turandot.qi-hardware.com server 2011-05-10 01:55 now... the only problem is how cryptic this all is, with irc messages, freenode ChanServ, eggdrop qi-bot on turandot etc. 2011-05-10 01:55 hmm 2011-05-10 01:55 hundreds of commands, flags, modes, etc. 2011-05-10 01:55 ya 2011-05-10 01:55 ah, so it is possible to become op via qi-bot, but no-one knows how? 2011-05-10 01:55 I have no overview. 2011-05-10 01:56 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup#eggdrop 2011-05-10 01:56 we can kill qi-bot and suplantate it for a moment 2011-05-10 01:56 I tried logging into the server and accessing the eggdrop console, but it asks me for a username/password I don't know 2011-05-10 01:57 who is causing the problem to DocScrutinizer now actually, ChanServ or qi-bot? 2011-05-10 01:57 ChanServ i think 2011-05-10 01:57 qi-bot: just executed.. 2011-05-10 02:11 test 2011-05-10 02:11 phew. at least the rest of us can talk again :) 2011-05-10 02:11 hmm 2011-05-10 02:11 but DocScrutinizer seems to have been kicked again for 'nick flood' 2011-05-10 02:11 now .. how to disable the bot's vengeful memory ? ;-)) 2011-05-10 02:11 damn 2011-05-10 02:12 it seems qi-bot does enforce the ban after all... 2011-05-10 02:12 mth: yeah.. 2011-05-10 02:12 the bot may remember. maybe to prevent someone from slipping through the ban if the corresponding enforcer drops off the channel 2011-05-10 02:16 ban time is 120 2011-05-10 02:18 120 what? 2011-05-10 02:18 120 minutes? 2011-05-10 02:18 dunno 2011-05-10 02:18 i guess 2011-05-10 02:18 interesting - nvidia bought icerasemi.com, makers of baseband chipsets 2011-05-10 02:18 http://www.icerasemi.com/ 2011-05-10 02:18 oh 2011-05-10 02:19 if the bot remembers, I am sure we can cause a little amnesia to the bot. the question is what is faster - just wait or find out on the server where/how the bot remembers? 2011-05-10 02:22 so, no Sarah Connor award for you ? 2011-05-10 02:22 seems that DocScrutinizer went to bed. so i guess the wait-for-timeout won't hurt. well, maybe it'll disturb his dreams 2011-05-10 02:27 ok 2011-05-10 02:28 o.O 2011-05-10 02:28 wow 2011-05-10 02:29 sorry for nickflooding 2011-05-10 02:29 wb 2011-05-10 02:34 whee, the return of DocScrutinizer ! 2011-05-10 02:35 and the Sarah Connor award for wolfspraul ! ;-) 2011-05-10 02:35 the terminator wants to kill him? 2011-05-10 02:42 he boldly resisted the cruel and inhumane rule of the machines 2011-05-10 02:46 you should add some entries to your access list ;-D 2011-05-10 02:47 yeah, e.g., give channel op all those who have root on the server hosting qi-bot. that would be very natural mapping ;-) 2011-05-10 02:50 chanserv role MANAGER seems ok (and also is default for new access list entries afaik) 2011-05-10 02:50 nah, actually chanop is default 2011-05-10 02:51 MANAGER has +f 2011-05-10 02:53 [commit] Werner Almesberger: BOOKSHELF (dfu): added DFU specification http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/487011f 2011-05-10 02:53 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/README: boot loader flashing time was a bit too optimistic (15 -> 30 s) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6179f31 2011-05-10 02:53 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw: implemented ATUSB_RESET http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/42dae8d 2011-05-10 02:53 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/Makefile.common (CFLAGS): added -g http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/27c1c7b 2011-05-10 02:58 another mention of wpwrak 's Most Excllent work: 2011-05-10 02:58 http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=11623 2011-05-10 03:01 kewl. let the masses roll in ! ;-) 2011-05-10 03:03 "hidden channel (doesn't show up in channel list)" - is that intentional? 2011-05-10 03:04 maybe that's why we got fewer "which nVidia card should i buy ?" type of visitors lately 2011-05-10 03:04 the /topic invites this 2011-05-10 03:06 that's not intentional 2011-05-10 03:07 'hidden' in which list? 2011-05-10 03:07 it's not hidden on the qi-hardware.com homepage :-) 2011-05-10 03:23 hidden on freenode's IRQ channel list 2011-05-10 03:24 virtually each client has a way to show these lists 2011-05-10 03:26 but on my list it shows up. 2011-05-10 03:26 maybe because I am a user of this chan 2011-05-10 03:27 or Konversation is wrong on interpreting the channel flags 2011-05-10 03:29 could someone search for a chan tsthid please 2011-05-10 03:29 in his channel list 2011-05-10 03:33 +s (secret channel)Â Â This channel will not appear on channel lists or WHO or WHOIS output unless you are on it. 2011-05-10 03:33 *** Kanalmodi: +cgnprst 2011-05-10 07:45 hi 2011-05-10 07:45 something wrong with the #qi-hardware 2011-05-10 07:46 [15:45] == #qi-hardware Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services 2011-05-10 07:46 aw, cannot join the #qi-hardware 2011-05-10 07:46 same with [http://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=qi-hardware] 2011-05-10 07:47 can not join #qi-hardware. :( 2011-05-10 07:51 xiangfu: someone set the +r mode, only registered nicks can join 2011-05-10 07:52 i'd say, +s is enough to hide this channel from unrelated users :) 2011-05-10 07:54 +s = hide from the channel list 2011-05-10 07:55 well, if it even bothers someone to kick out ocassional users who saw "hardware" in the channels name :) 2011-05-10 07:56 they are usually all right and don't stumle in here very often 2011-05-10 08:02 wolfspraul: we should have regular ops among users here, and preferrably one or two persons taking care of qi-bot :) 2011-05-10 08:03 kyak: feel free to give yourself whatever super power you need 2011-05-10 08:03 wolfspraul: the problem xiangfu sees is coming from "+r" mode, whoever set it for whatever reason 2011-05-10 08:03 yes 2011-05-10 08:03 let's remove it 2011-05-10 08:03 my problem is that there is really a _myriad_ of options in IRC land 2011-05-10 08:04 and then helpful 'bots' whether they are called ChanServ, or qi-bot, or whatever adding even more on top 2011-05-10 08:04 wolfspraul: do you have a password for bot's console or i may as well reset it? 2011-05-10 08:04 wait 2011-05-10 08:05 I am also trying to login qi-bot :) 2011-05-10 08:05 someone this morning said the #qi-hardware channel was 'hidden' 2011-05-10 08:05 well, maybe it was (don't know where), and maybe now it's not, but as a side-effect it's now invite-only? 2011-05-10 08:06 it's not invite only right now, only registered (with nickserv) nicks can join 2011-05-10 08:07 and also it's 'hidden' now 2011-05-10 08:09 so, what do we want to do? 2011-05-10 08:09 change the nick-fllod limit 2011-05-10 08:10 I don't even know what that exactly is/means 2011-05-10 08:11 since DocScrutinizer seems to have accidentally run into it, sure, let's raise it 2011-05-10 08:11 but I don't know what it means :-) 2011-05-10 08:11 xiangfu: was it hidden before? 2011-05-10 08:11 wolfspraul: no 2011-05-10 08:11 that's exactly what DocScrutinizer ran into 2011-05-10 08:11 it never occured to me that the channel was hidden, but now it indeed does look hidden to me as well :-) 2011-05-10 08:11 limit for nick changes/per time 2011-05-10 08:11 kyak: it seems we went to a higher hidden level 2011-05-10 08:11 do you want it to be hidden from channel list? 2011-05-10 08:11 of course not 2011-05-10 08:12 and I don't think it was, but maybe it became somehow? 2011-05-10 08:12 why should it be hidden? 2011-05-10 08:12 sure let's increase the nick flood 2011-05-10 08:14 current limit is 5 changes in 60 seconds? 2011-05-10 08:14 I'm wondering how DocScrutinizer managed to run into that? :-) 2011-05-10 08:14 nick flood threshold changed from 5:60 to 10:60 (10 changes in 60 seconds are allowed ) 2011-05-10 08:14 maybe increase to 10:60 ? 2011-05-10 08:14 perfect! 2011-05-10 08:14 :) 2011-05-10 08:15 we also needs '-r' 2011-05-10 08:15 oh yes 2011-05-10 08:16 +c stands for "no color" 2011-05-10 08:16 do we need it? 2011-05-10 08:17 i'd vote 'kyak' as op, for co-work with qi-bot :) 2011-05-10 08:17 +p is for not seeing the channel in "whois" output 2011-05-10 08:17 also removed it.. 2011-05-10 08:18 no color? 2011-05-10 08:18 no idea, I don't know what it means practically 2011-05-10 08:18 can we remember these things in /home/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf ? 2011-05-10 08:18 4like this 2011-05-10 08:19 oh - red! 2011-05-10 08:19 :-) 2011-05-10 08:19 wolfspraul: not sure if your client can handle color though :) 2011-05-10 08:19 it can - irssi with ratpoison window manager :-) 2011-05-10 08:19 wolfspraul: yeah, this things i'm doing now are remembered in channel file, but can also be inserted inside the config file 2011-05-10 08:19 maybe in the config file is better? 2011-05-10 08:20 put it where it's most sticky... 2011-05-10 08:20 sure, i'll move it to config when we're done :) 2011-05-10 08:32 kyak: so we have to modify those channel add #qi-hardware { 2011-05-10 08:32 Â Â Â Â chanmode "+nt-likm" 2011-05-10 08:32 } 2011-05-10 08:32 then restart the eggdrop , should be ok, right? 2011-05-10 08:33 xiangfu: yep.. and some other.. i'll handle that 2011-05-10 08:33 thanks. 2011-05-10 08:35 kyak: oh, I didn't want to have op rights 2011-05-10 08:35 the reason is that I'm worried I will accidentally turn on some bad big switch 2011-05-10 08:35 so in general I keep all my accounts at the privileges setting that I regularly and actually need 2011-05-10 08:36 so I feel good and relaxed using my accounts, not worried about a rm -rf / mistake 2011-05-10 08:36 wolfspraul:Â Â :) 2011-05-10 08:36 just peace for my mind, means I can still work with a beer or two :-) 2011-05-10 08:36 if I would max out the privileges of my accounts everywhere, just for whatever sake, I'd go nuts 2011-05-10 08:37 kewl, thanks. back to normal happy user :-) 2011-05-10 09:10 wolfspraul: DocScrutinizer ran into the limit because he did something he shouldn't have done in the first place. he keeps a lot of nicks (variations of Doc*), and he iterated through all of them, to "refresh" them with NickServ (an unused nick expires after some 10 weeks). 2011-05-10 09:11 i think he should use "nick groups" (as seen in "/ns help group") for the nicks not to expire 2011-05-10 09:12 wolfspraul: nothing wrong with this per se, but he shouldn't have done this while in a channel (kinda rude to flood all the people with a lot of nick changes) 2011-05-10 09:13 I see. 2011-05-10 09:13 well it seems kyak has gotten everything back under control now :-) 2011-05-10 09:13 order is restored 2011-05-10 09:13 kyak: "Please note that grouped nicks expire separately from accounts" does this really help ? 2011-05-10 09:13 yeah, at least we found that we had a power vacuum and that the evil machines had started to creep into it ;-) 2011-05-10 09:14 wpwrak: hehe :) 2011-05-10 09:21 heh 2011-05-10 09:21 i just realized nf_conntrack_irc won't work for SSL connections 2011-05-10 09:22 i guess i'll assign a range of ports manually for DCC then 2011-05-10 09:38 hey kyak: did you know that you already lost 10 months of fulltime work to nanonote development?Â Â https://www.ohloh.net/p/nanonote-software/contributors/2488364465258550Â Â :) 2011-05-10 09:40 dvdk: wow, impressing! how does it count? 2011-05-10 09:40 kyak: dunno.Â Â 2011-05-10 09:40 is rated at 11 person-months :) 2011-05-10 09:40 kyak: maybe lines of codes in all commits 2011-05-10 09:40 it sounds like 10 calendar months 2011-05-10 09:40 starting from July 2010 2011-05-10 09:40 but somehow it's counted as person :) 2011-05-10 09:40 sloccoung ? 2011-05-10 09:41 sloccount 2011-05-10 09:41 the total cost of the project is (over)estimated here: https://www.ohloh.net/p/nanonote-software/ 2011-05-10 09:41 213 person-years 2011-05-10 09:41 11 million us$ 2011-05-10 09:41 (but counts openwrt upstream, too) 2011-05-10 09:42 is rated more than half his age by sloccount 2011-05-10 09:42 lekernel: better than twice your age :) 2011-05-10 09:42 well, some code that I wrote in the floppy disk era isn't counted 2011-05-10 09:42 dvdk: why are yo udoing it? :) is it just for statistics? 2011-05-10 09:43 should have kept those tapes and floppies ... 2011-05-10 09:43 kyak: just for fun, ohloh.net is like facebook for open-source projects 2011-05-10 09:43 11 million USD! 2011-05-10 09:43 where can we cash them out? 2011-05-10 09:43 kyak: you can see who is contributing where, with timelines etc. 2011-05-10 09:43 can someone email ohloh? 2011-05-10 09:43 kyak: even nicer commit log than on qi-hardware.com 2011-05-10 09:44 wolfspraul: :) 2011-05-10 09:44 may be useful when talking to investors. "here's what we already put into it" 2011-05-10 09:44 --) 2011-05-10 09:44 not sure about that argument. 2011-05-10 09:44 wolfspraul: looking for a nice .png icon for the ohloh, maybe the Qi symbol 2011-05-10 09:44 "look, we already irreversibly converted 11 million USD into electrons, don't you want to add your xxx USD on top as well?" 2011-05-10 09:44 where should i look? 2011-05-10 09:45 we have all sorts of stuff here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Press_and_marketing_material 2011-05-10 09:45 other than that - whereever you see it, just right-click save-as :-) images.google.com etc. 2011-05-10 09:46 wolfspraul: right-click didn't work on the main page.Â Â baad java script? 2011-05-10 09:48 going to use Nanonote.cc-logo-symbol-slide-vignet.svg 2011-05-10 09:48 wolfspraul: "we have a community that has already donated 11M. don't you think this is a great force multiplier for your investment ?" 2011-05-10 09:49 wolfspraul: careful with the numbers, not sure whether ohloh only counts our branch, or includes upstream openwrt, too 2011-05-10 09:52 now with icon https://www.ohloh.net/p/nanonote-software 2011-05-10 09:52 dvdk: are you suggesting our work is worth less than 11M ? ;-) 2011-05-10 09:52 dvdk: it sure includes upstream openwrt with nbd wasting 73 man-months :) 2011-05-10 09:54 https://www.ohloh.net/p/nanonote-software/factoids/5277729 2011-05-10 09:54 that's a bad factoid :) 2011-05-10 09:55 maybe i should convert all the huge files from the 3d scans to a format that looks like source, e.g., xwd, to get them counted as well. that should nicely boost the value ;-) 2011-05-10 09:56 the absence of a ya making itself felt ... 2011-05-10 09:56 it shows on the mailing list and irc activity as well. the project is definitely slowing down. 2011-05-10 10:15 heise just picked up the $25 computer. they're a bit slow. let's see if they have a boring enough day that they'd even scrape the bottom for things like ubb-vga :) 2011-05-10 10:16 simply everyone picks up that junk... 2011-05-10 10:16 I wish the same happened for our stories, but for some reason it's just not the case 2011-05-10 10:16 cause it sounds nice.. "a 25$ computer" 2011-05-10 10:16 who cares about details 2011-05-10 10:16 maybe that's one factor... 2011-05-10 10:17 kyak: yeah, while huge megacorps are struggling for a decade with the $100 computer, some clever hacker does the $25 computer in his basement. it's hard to argue with that ;-) 2011-05-10 10:19 lekernel: (our stories) let's be honest: the whole nanonote branch doesn't produce much in terms of stories these days. there are certainly people out there who never heard of it and would be interested, but you can't just keep on broadcasting the same message over and over until you're sure everyone has heard it. 2011-05-10 10:20 wpwrak: plus, someone mentioned correctly in ML that the article is heavily exploiting the charity issue 2011-05-10 10:20 it's not junk, I think the story is good 2011-05-10 10:20 lekernel: for mm1, there's still the small issue that even we don't seem to have a clear marketing message for it :) 2011-05-10 10:21 maybe we should cry that the semiconductor companies are evil. even if it's a mere lie, if that's the price to pay to get stories picked up ... 2011-05-10 10:21 I don't care at all about that 25 USD usb stick computer announcement, but the story is good imo 2011-05-10 10:21 don't be negative unless you have to 2011-05-10 10:21 kyak: charity is always good :) the nanonote could be a "$100 laptop for SMALL children" ;-) 2011-05-10 10:21 how about flooding Africa with charitable nanonotes? :) 2011-05-10 10:21 lekernel: get yourself sued by apple, then you have your story ;-) 2011-05-10 10:22 the 'm1 shown to lgm audience' story is nice, I'm not sure we get enough juicy details for a release though, and a well written text 2011-05-10 10:22 we know in a few days, last chance to release it is probably Thursday or so, hopefully then with some jaw-dropping details about reaction of the audience 2011-05-10 10:23 "people were stunned" 2011-05-10 10:23 kyak: hmm, wolfgang could donate a few hundred to some charitable project ... 2011-05-10 10:24 and only hope it would pay off 2011-05-10 10:24 "mm1 at lgm" would probably become just "lgm" with a list of things happening there. but i think that's okay. gives a bit fewer visitors, but they may be better quality. 2011-05-10 10:25 kyak: the real cost depends on the estimate of how many of the bens in stock will turn sour there anyway. the current demand seems fairly low. 2011-05-10 10:27 kyak: but of course, you can play that card only 1-2 times. the number of units would have to be "significant", i.e., >> 100, even for a small operation like sharism. 2011-05-10 10:28 wolfspraul: ah, how did things progress on the order front in the end ? you mentioned that a few came in on saturday. how did sunday and monday go ? 2011-05-10 10:30 I think about 6 on the first day, 4 on the second day, then zero for 2 days I think 2011-05-10 10:30 some more with David for sure 2011-05-10 10:30 kyak: a problem with charity is that you can't just airdrop a container of stuff and be done with it. things need someone to make them usable locally. so you need to find them, get them interested, and at least get them to think they can use it. 2011-05-10 10:30 pretty good I think, considering the context and all 2011-05-10 10:31 phew. a lot of work for the marketing department per unit :) 2011-05-10 10:31 oh sure, all investment into the future 2011-05-10 10:31 but yes, the context is weakish. it's more a curiosity notice than a "go and buy now" item 2011-05-10 10:32 kyak: do you have a proposal for the headline of a milkymist story? just anything on your mind... 2011-05-10 10:32 wpwrak: yeah, i already imagine how hard would it be to explain these poor kids how to run "MS Word" on Ben :") 2011-05-10 10:32 (future) yeah, spreading the word. the next time, people will have heard of the project, etc. 2011-05-10 10:33 wolfspraul: i'm not sure.. was there some party at lgm involving mm? 2011-05-10 10:33 :-) 2011-05-10 10:33 kyak: find a place where they're not brainwashed enough yet ;-) maybe some pygmies for whom anything larger would be too big anyway. they'll be genuinely grateful :) 2011-05-10 10:33 yes, but think completely free 2011-05-10 10:34 what always works is "milkymist one on final space shuttle mission" 2011-05-10 10:34 "VJ killed by cargo load of m1 boxes at big music event" 2011-05-10 10:34 :-) 2011-05-10 10:35 "mm1 suspected in shuttle explosion" 2011-05-10 10:35 yeah! 2011-05-10 10:36 "[...] unnamed sources have confirmed prior concerns about the power input protection circuit [...]" 2011-05-10 10:36 you can also do this whole 'leak' nonsense 2011-05-10 10:36 "mm1 effect makes you look like elvis" 2011-05-10 10:36 --) 2011-05-10 10:36 maybe the leak was saying that Intel is secretly investing in the Milkymist SoC 2011-05-10 10:36 nah, I hate this stuff 2011-05-10 10:37 better something with people 2011-05-10 10:37 that's why I like the m1@lgm story 2011-05-10 10:37 people people people 2011-05-10 10:37 "secret annex to 1st testament found in mm1 bitstream" 2011-05-10 10:39 "hardware-accelerated vj syntesizer cracks encryption of secret video of osama assassination" 2011-05-10 10:39 I think we can extract enough stories out of the video synthesizer as a product. what you can do with it, why experimenting with it is cool, etc. 2011-05-10 10:40 "Milkymist: the only One survived the party" 2011-05-10 10:40 post-pc era (although I would avoid that term) 2011-05-10 10:40 it can even be a text about video synthesis that only later gets to the sales point of m1 2011-05-10 10:41 telling the world that you're the harbinger of a new era has always been an effective means to gather people for your cause ;-) 2011-05-10 10:42 yeah. some clever video synthesis hack can work quite nicely. establish the mm1 as the video lab workbench of choice. also works with the ce angle, cf. those PS3 supercomputers 2011-05-10 10:42 well right now I focus on my lgm story. either I can get that complete and interesting and released, or I failed. the devil is in the detail, as usual. 2011-05-10 10:42 yes! [clever video synthesis hack] 2011-05-10 10:43 where have previous lgm conferences been covered ? 2011-05-10 10:43 the hack can be the reason you get the story, m1 just happens to be the tool for the hack 2011-05-10 10:43 yup 2011-05-10 10:43 no idea, I don't know how professional that whole lgm thing is 2011-05-10 10:44 or, "Milkymist One sets the party free" 2011-05-10 10:44 first I need m1 to be used there, I need credible audience reactions, I need a little story (2-3 paragraphs) about how it went there, I need a picture, etc. 2011-05-10 10:44 like the usrp gets traction just because half of all the rf hacks use it somewhere 2011-05-10 10:44 and I'm on the other side of the world, so now I can only wait 2011-05-10 10:44 the draft is done 2011-05-10 10:44 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Press_Release:_Milkymist_One_video_synthesizer_shown_at_6th_Libre_Graphics_Meeting_in_Montreal 2011-05-10 10:44 kyak: "mm1 banned from aircraft" 2011-05-10 10:46 wpwrak: otherwise, pilots are partying all the time :) 2011-05-10 10:46 kyak: "vj activist Sebastien Bourdeauducq arrested for selling supercomputer technology to cuba" 2011-05-10 10:46 :)) 2011-05-10 10:48 grmbl. it's today. there should have been an announcement on the qi-hw list last week. 2011-05-10 10:49 no link to LGM ? 2011-05-10 10:49 the man known as "he, who never sleeps, but only takes cat naps" got his house full of secret agents after triggering a limit of banned words in IRC 2011-05-10 10:49 oh, i forgot to mentioned mm :) 2011-05-10 10:52 wolfspraul: with the may news probably becoming part of the june news, how about pushing out any public events scheduled within the next 4-5 weeks ? e.g., sebastien has two events in the next four days already ! 2011-05-10 10:57 two events? don't know 2011-05-10 10:57 wpwrak: that news is not complete, the date is preliminary 2011-05-10 10:57 one by one 2011-05-10 10:58 wolfspraul: you are aware that a access list entry not automatically enables you to do "bad things" by accident? 2011-05-10 10:59 actually freenode suggests NOT to use +O (auto-op) 2011-05-10 11:00 for a bot it is ok, 2011-05-10 11:00 /msg chanserv help (access) 2011-05-10 11:02 wolfspraul: i mean http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-05-01 2011-05-10 11:02 wolfspraul: there you have two events listed for sebastien: amsterdam on the 12th, paris on the 14th 2011-05-10 11:04 wolfspraul: I'd feel uncomfortable with control over channel is completely depending on a working instance of a bot not related to the chan infra. And I never seen anybody doing a "typo" like /msg chanserve kickban wolfspraul 2011-05-10 11:05 only bots do that ;-P 2011-05-10 11:05 wolfspraul: (news date) yeah. seems that mm1 may get mentioned only on the 13th. maybe it's not too late to post to the list, in case someone is in the area and wants to pop in 2011-05-10 11:06 DocScrutinizer: most people probably just stick needles into their little wolfspraul doll ;-) 2011-05-10 11:07 wpwrak: oh you mean we should pre-announce m1@lgm? that's a good idea! the thing is - I am not there myself. 2011-05-10 11:08 so I don't want to make up all sorts of things, and maybe reality is entirely different 2011-05-10 11:08 I finished my part of the lgm story (the draft), now let's see 2011-05-10 11:08 wpwrak: by "anybody" I meant one of the nicks that can actually do, there are sometimes a lot, e.g /msg chanserv access #maemo list (which has been even longer at times) 2011-05-10 11:08 wolfspraul: we should pre-announce all public events. what's the point of reading a week later that you just missed it ? :-) 2011-05-10 11:09 wolfspraul: just write what rejon has told you he'll do ? 2011-05-10 11:09 wolfspraul: a access list entry is not like being root, it's more like having sudo permission 2011-05-10 11:09 just don't use O 2011-05-10 11:10 grrr +O 2011-05-10 11:10 wolfspraul: i'm not sure if he'll actually talk about the mm1 / include it in a talk. but i think he'll have one to demo it on some occasions, no ? 2011-05-10 11:11 I am not sure what will really happen, and it is just plain impossible/unthinkable for me that I write this 'story' completely like a novel, like how it could be. 2011-05-10 11:11 if we cannot make it complete, we have a draft for next time... 2011-05-10 11:11 I need the text of what actually happened, audience reaction (quote), picture 2011-05-10 11:12 none of which I can provide, no matter how long I stare at my keyboard & screen in Beijing 2011-05-10 11:12 I could write out the text a bit more, talk about m1 availability etc. but that's hard as long as the main meat is missing, because it would follow after that 2011-05-10 11:13 so we see 2011-05-10 11:13