2011-05-08 00:01 http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/07/cost-of-slaves-falls-to-historic-low/ 2011-05-08 00:03 dubious article, though 2011-05-08 00:03 Â£125 still low.. even here 2011-05-08 00:03 i dont have more to say wolfspraul 2011-05-08 00:04 i dunno if you can live with that in china.. 2011-05-08 00:04 sure I just try to understand what (in that list) you find bad 2011-05-08 00:05 I guess in a perfect world, we don't want to build a product where any worker, no matter where in the supply chain, is treated worse than you would treat your own son or daughter. 2011-05-08 00:05 kristianpaul: 125ukp? 90us$ is 55ukp or 63Euro 2011-05-08 00:05 that's going to take a loooong time to get there though. of course we can start :-) 2011-05-08 00:05 ack 2011-05-08 00:05 roh: dont get it 2011-05-08 00:06 the list in the guardian article is not very shocking to me. the guardian is doing really good China reporting actually, so maybe they don't want to publish sensationalist stuff. 2011-05-08 00:06 ha,you'll wonder how i get to that article ;) 2011-05-08 00:07 overtime is the #1 problem, yes. but the kids want it, like crazy. I mean I see Lars being up (hacking?) until about 4 AM or so too. 2011-05-08 00:07 should we stop him? 2011-05-08 00:07 no.. 2011-05-08 00:07 kristianpaul: ah. sorry.. wrong article. now i see where the 125ukp are from 2011-05-08 00:07 142Euro that is. 2011-05-08 00:08 well is free to choose 2011-05-08 00:08 so the overtime is something those kids want. they will leave the factory if the factory won't allow them to work 14 hours a day - if they want to. 2011-05-08 00:08 some times you just cant.. or 2011-05-08 00:08 you could argue that they are under a lot of social or society pressure to make money. 2011-05-08 00:08 but a single factory definitely cannot change that, even Foxconn and Apple cannot. 2011-05-08 00:08 is different being up to late when you lik soemthing.. and when not 2011-05-08 00:09 no trust me, I have been at many factories, I lived in dorms. they enjoy what they do - a lot. 2011-05-08 00:09 kristianpaul: the "confession letter" ... maybe the hairdryer is considered a fire hazard 2011-05-08 00:09 well, good for them ! 2011-05-08 00:09 I am talking specifically about young Chinese workers (16-22) in the electronics industry. 2011-05-08 00:09 happynes is unique :-) 2011-05-08 00:09 also about hygiene 2011-05-08 00:09 Chinese have all sorts of 'strange' hygienic beliefs. 2011-05-08 00:10 fire in your body etc. 2011-05-08 00:10 :S 2011-05-08 00:10 the hairdryer sounds very much like that to me, like blowing something bad into the air, infecting others. 2011-05-08 00:10 yeah i should be aware of that context too 2011-05-08 00:10 also keep in mind that a lot of people sleep together in small rooms, the hygienic rules are very strict 2011-05-08 00:11 wolfspraul: why the enjoy? that part.. there must be somehing clue on all this 2011-05-08 00:11 and rooted in Chinese beliefs of course, they are not doing this since yesterday 2011-05-08 00:11 they make their first own money! 2011-05-08 00:11 they are very proud of that 2011-05-08 00:11 imagine you are a kid in some village somewhere in China 2011-05-08 00:11 that's a bad place! the ngo folks should live there for a month :-) 2011-05-08 00:11 now you get a job at that shiny factory in the shiny megacity 2011-05-08 00:11 and you make your first own money 2011-05-08 00:12 you can go shopping all these shiny things, clothes, fashion accessories, cellphone (well they probably have that already) 2011-05-08 00:12 they try to make as much money as possible in the least time possible 2011-05-08 00:12 how long this "kids" stays on a factory? 2011-05-08 00:13 then back to their village, and think about the next step. which is often marriage (girls), or higher schooling (boys) 2011-05-08 00:13 I have rarely/never seen them there for more than 4 years 2011-05-08 00:13 do they ever realize that money is not all in life?.. 2011-05-08 00:13 or may be it is for them.. 2011-05-08 00:13 sigh 2011-05-08 00:13 they are just excited about these new things they are seeing 2011-05-08 00:13 remember they are very young, 16-22, coming from the countryside 2011-05-08 00:13 sure, that happens :-) 2011-05-08 00:14 and after the 4 year they move to another factory? 2011-05-08 00:14 yes actually, I just realize. those ngo guys should have accompanied a worker back to his hometown. compare with the living conditions there :-) 2011-05-08 00:14 when you usually get marriage in china btw? 2011-05-08 00:14 no the workers are all young 2011-05-08 00:14 yeah, all is relative 2011-05-08 00:15 factories are not really offering a career path 2011-05-08 00:15 workers come and go, they are just human material 2011-05-08 00:15 just a temporary jump of money then 2011-05-08 00:15 so the article is all correct, and definitely westerners should understand and care about that when they buy products 2011-05-08 00:15 interesting 2011-05-08 00:15 so they stay a few years, then they need to think about the next step 2011-05-08 00:16 since they will have saved quite a bit of money, they actually have a lot of options, especially higher level schooling 2011-05-08 00:16 wow, nice (higher level schooling) 2011-05-08 00:16 thats not so bad then :) 2011-05-08 00:17 I'm not going to talk you into this being paradise on earth :-) 2011-05-08 00:17 sure not 2011-05-08 00:17 it's 1000 times better than a North Korean slave labor camp, for sure 2011-05-08 00:18 and probably factory life for them is better than life back at their village 2011-05-08 00:18 I was making the comment considering the context pointed (countryside etc..) 2011-05-08 00:18 all is relative, too many ecosystems 2011-05-08 00:18 if I were them, what would bug me the most is the strong social pressure, first from the family in CHina, and then from society at large 2011-05-08 00:18 but I wouldn't blame my employer for that, that kinda makes no sense 2011-05-08 00:21 I've thought about this and I have a clear goal now. no job you are paying for should be worse than a job you could imagine your own child to do (or yourself of course). 2011-05-08 00:21 that does need to take into consideration that people are different, different age, different money requirements, different health, different social environment, and so on. 2011-05-08 00:22 so there will still be a huge diversity and inequality. but we should not treat someone else worse than we treat our loved ones. 2011-05-08 00:22 unfortunately China doesn't score very high on this idea :-) 2011-05-08 00:23 if one of those kids has to rely on their employer to take care of them, they are indeed screwed 2011-05-08 00:23 but they know that 2011-05-08 00:23 it's just a stupid money source for them 2011-05-08 00:24 loyalty is exactly 0 2011-05-08 00:24 they r smart ;) 2011-05-08 00:24 many factories have something like 80% attrition rate (80% of workers in January are gone in December) 2011-05-08 00:24 they probably enjoy more social liberties at the factory, well away from the family, even if the factory would be considered very rigid by our standards 2011-05-08 00:24 definitely! 2011-05-08 00:28 wolfspraul: (treat your employees as if they were your own kinds) that seems a bit too idealistic to me. well, depending on how stern a father you are ;-) 2011-05-08 00:30 that's just my conclusion after looking at this problem from different angles. if from the perspective of those workers their job is truly good and helpful to them, and if you were their father and you would think that a good thing is happening, why would you want to remove that? 2011-05-08 00:30 it can improve further, but first of all what's good or bad is a subjective thing, and depends on your perspective 2011-05-08 00:31 there are many cases where it's out of the question that a bad thing is happening, from everybody's perspective. so those can be improved first. 2011-05-08 00:33 story from last Ben NanoNote run 2011-05-08 00:33 I stay there until 2-3 AM or so, let's say 'normal' time for a hacker to call it a day, right? 2011-05-08 00:34 at that time the run was still going on, everybody there. anyway, I leave, get some sleep. 2011-05-08 00:34 sure. what's the meaning of the time of day anyway :) 2011-05-08 00:34 get up around 9 AM, go out, nice sunshine, drink a coffee in a small street shop 2011-05-08 00:34 who walks by (on the way to the factory) - the head worker girl I know from the run 2011-05-08 00:34 I say "wow, that's early! You've been there when I left. When did you leave?" 2011-05-08 00:34 (father) well, you may have different ambitions than their parent and so on. 2011-05-08 00:35 answer: 6 AM! 2011-05-08 00:35 she left the factory at 6 AM, and overtook me again sipping my coffee, because she wanted to be there at 9 AM, but was a little late (!) 2011-05-08 00:35 man man 2011-05-08 00:35 I finished my coffee first, showed up around 10 or so :-) 2011-05-08 00:35 i fear for the yield on that day ;-) 2011-05-08 00:36 well that was an extreme day even for their standards 2011-05-08 00:36 good ;) 2011-05-08 00:36 but trust me - she loves her work 2011-05-08 00:36 the money she makes rather 2011-05-08 00:36 and it's a lot! 2011-05-08 00:36 she now also convinced her sister to join the same factory 2011-05-08 00:37 will consider drink coffer more often.. 2011-05-08 00:37 a lot of China reporting mixes two things together - hourly wage, and overtime 2011-05-08 00:37 kristianpaul: to pick up factory girls ? ;-) 2011-05-08 00:37 wpwrak: he :p 2011-05-08 00:38 so they do some math saying "hourly wage is 1.50 USD, monthly wage is 200 USD" 2011-05-08 00:38 then, often in the same article, they say "we saw workers who had 100 overtime hours" 2011-05-08 00:38 so yeah 2011-05-08 00:38 *grin* 2011-05-08 00:38 either or 2011-05-08 00:38 the actual paid-out monthly wage is higher than when you do the math with the normal working hours 2011-05-08 00:39 because nobody works like that 2011-05-08 00:39 does overtime pay more than regular hours ? 2011-05-08 00:39 forgot, this is tricky 2011-05-08 00:39 the government wants to reduce overtime 2011-05-08 00:39 so the factories are forced to pay less for overtime than for regular hours 2011-05-08 00:39 but they find all sorts of tricks to circumvent that 2011-05-08 00:39 :-) 2011-05-08 00:39 ha! 2011-05-08 00:39 i know vacations and weekends do. or at least they cost more. not sure how much of this trickles all the way down to the workers. 2011-05-08 00:40 it's the other way round here 2011-05-08 00:40 the government tries to stop the overtime excesses 2011-05-08 00:40 so they force the factories to pay less (!) during the night etc 2011-05-08 00:40 of course that doesn't work 2011-05-08 00:40 because on paper maybe it's less, but the factory finds some other way to send the money to their workers 2011-05-08 00:40 nice. employers who invent tricks to pay _more_. now there's an example ! :) 2011-05-08 00:41 bottom line that girl makes maybe 400-500 USD per month 2011-05-08 00:42 which given that all regular life articles are dirt cheap allows her for a very comfortable life in China, and build up savings too 2011-05-08 00:42 and in China it's simple - you are a 'good' girl/boy when you save 50% of your salary! 2011-05-08 00:42 at least the number is easy to remember 2011-05-08 00:44 hum.. iÂ Â need do more savings :-) 2011-05-08 00:44 you get the social pressure from me now? :-) 2011-05-08 00:45 that 50% thing is one of the endless kinds of social pressure exerted here. horrible imho 2011-05-08 00:45 kristianpaul: just consider I never told you :-) 2011-05-08 00:45 k 2011-05-08 00:46 btw, is also healthcare dirt cheap? 2011-05-08 00:46 difficult. some very basic healthcare is cheap or even free, yes. 2011-05-08 00:46 on top of that if you want better healthcare you are quickly piling up huge amounts, and worst case you even fall for some scam/fraud. 2011-05-08 00:48 like for example simple antibiotics cost 1-2 USD for one pack 2011-05-08 00:48 in Germany the same thing costs 40 USD, in the US 100 USD 2011-05-08 00:48 :-) 2011-05-08 00:49 in that case a lot of the cost in Germany or US is the whole bloated system. the pill itself could indeed be much cheaper. 2011-05-08 00:49 but then there are other things let's say a difficult surgery, and you need a very clean room, you need very clean and high-precision instruments, etc. etc. 2011-05-08 00:49 and they will cost, no matter where you are. most of the technical equipment in a Chinese hospital is from the US or Europe. GE, Siemens, etc. 2011-05-08 00:50 damm just one 82 ohm resistor :-( 2011-05-08 00:50 probably still a bargain compared to the US. i wonder how much there is simply insurance against malpractice lawsuits 2011-05-08 00:50 what i just dint go to the electronic shop my self... 2011-05-08 00:52 kristianpaul: you can probably also use 1.2k : 560 : 100 instead of 1.0 k : 470 : 82 2011-05-08 00:53 dont have 560 ohm.. 2011-05-08 00:53 or 890 : 390 : 68 2011-05-08 00:53 ha, those are crazy common values 2011-05-08 00:54 may be i can scratch a 100 ohm resistor i have 2011-05-08 00:54 it helps to just go to the shop and buy, say, 100 of each E12 value from 10 Ohm to 1 MOhm :) resistors are so cheap, it's not like spending real money. and you'll never have to worry about not having the right resistor around. 2011-05-08 00:55 you have 1000 and 470 ? 2011-05-08 00:55 yes 2011-05-08 00:55 with 1k : 470 : 100, you get: 0.3 V, 0.58 V, and 0.79 V 2011-05-08 00:55 yeah i need go do that 2011-05-08 00:56 so you'd over-drive the VGA input a bit (it's nominally 0-0.7 V). not sure if this is a problem. 2011-05-08 00:56 humm 2011-05-08 00:57 i just have one analog and lcd monitor.. 2011-05-08 00:57 i can wait monday better :) 2011-05-08 00:58 i doubt it would damage the monitor. but you may get weird colors. 2011-05-08 00:58 ah ok :p 2011-05-08 00:58 ah, and better try it with the lcd monitor. you could damage an analog monitor with weird timings. 2011-05-08 00:58 oh 2011-05-08 01:05 you really get a resolution of 1024x768 with the ubb-vga stuff? 2011-05-08 01:08 urandom__: yup :) there's a bit of jitter, so i wouldn't try to read a small font at 1024x768, but there are that many pixels on the screen 2011-05-08 01:08 awesome! 2011-05-08 01:09 i would not have expected it to get such high resolutions 2011-05-08 01:12 yeah, the mmc controller helped a lot. without it, it would have maxed out at 640x480 2011-05-08 01:12 wpwrak: is posible to read a PDF? 2011-05-08 01:13 you just uncover the dma oscurity, and an open door for new apps 2011-05-08 01:13 kristianpaul: at the moment, you can only display the test image or the lcd content (in 640x480 mode), or a single PPM image (no slide show yet) 2011-05-08 01:13 like doing SDR with a 4bit ADC/DCA.. who know..s 2011-05-08 01:13 ah 2011-05-08 01:13 well i can hardcode a presentation ;) 2011-05-08 01:14 kristianpaul: but you could covert one page of a PDF to PPM and display it. or add a slide show feature and pre-convert multiple pages. 2011-05-08 01:15 okay i need to read more about PPM first :) 2011-05-08 01:19 hello 2011-05-08 01:19 it's a very simple rgb image format. all the usual tools (gimp, imagemagick, and of course pbmplus) can handle it 2011-05-08 01:20 hi slie 2011-05-08 01:21 just wanted to say hello just found this on slashdot thoght it was cool 2011-05-08 01:21 thought * 2011-05-08 01:21 wellcome :) 2011-05-08 01:22 slie: thanks ! :) 2011-05-08 01:22 I don't yet know a lot about this stuff but major is EE. 2011-05-08 01:23 I was wondering does this just mirror a display? 2011-05-08 01:27 it builds an internal frame buffer with the bit pattern it needs to send out, and then transfers pixel data from this internal frame buffer 2011-05-08 01:28 now, the content can come from different sources. at the moment, there are three image generators: the test image, one that takes a content of the ben's little screen (320x240) and puts it in a VGA-sizes frame buffer, and 2011-05-08 01:28 last but not least one that takes a PPM image of the same resolution as the frame buffer and converts it to this internal format 2011-05-08 01:29 at the moment, the displaying keeps the system 100% busy, so you couldn't, say, run an X server on that vga. but i hope that we can still improve that. 2011-05-08 01:30 as an example, i ran the konqueror web browser with the qi-hw home page in a 1024x768 window, dumped the content, converted it to PPM, and displayed it with ubb-vga: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ubb/vga/ubb-dma-web.jpg 2011-05-08 01:31 what should be relatively easy is to do things like slide shows. just precompute all the images and then feed them to the display loop. 2011-05-08 01:31 s/to do/to do it/ 2011-05-08 01:33 gah s/it/is/ 2011-05-08 01:34 someone need more sleep :) 2011-05-08 01:35 this is really cool, I wish I could do some of this stuff really opens my mind! 2011-05-08 01:35 wolfspraul: i think the piwik chart now needs a logarithmic scale :) 2011-05-08 01:36 slie: you have a ben already? 2011-05-08 01:36 ben nanonote* 2011-05-08 01:37 I don't, :) 2011-05-08 01:37 slie: UBB is actually meant as a means for making it easy to do experiments. we have a few other things that use that slot as well, e.g., this wireless card http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/2boards-20110305.jpg 2011-05-08 01:37 slie: so there are also a few software examples that show how to use it 2011-05-08 01:38 what language? 2011-05-08 01:39 slie: C. i think someone also tried to write something (not so timing-critical) in python but i'm not sure how this went. 2011-05-08 01:39 ah, and here's another really simple board. this actually predates UBB: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/blinken/blinken-100831.jpg 2011-05-08 01:40 awsome, im going to go look into this stuff I really like it. 2011-05-08 01:46 slie: great ! the qi-hardware project, despite its name, actually doesn't have a lot of hardware people, so some expertise would also be hotly welcome :) 2011-05-08 01:48 yup :) 2011-05-08 01:48 are you good with dsp btw? ;) 2011-05-08 01:50 kristianpaul: trying to separate noise from signal in some mysterious raw gps data dump ? :) 2011-05-08 01:52 hehe, not yet, actually osgps take care fo that for now 2011-05-08 01:53 kristianpaul: so have you gotten a fix yet ? 2011-05-08 01:53 no 2011-05-08 01:54 need more data for that 2011-05-08 01:54 damn 2011-05-08 01:54 i just have some miliseconds dump 2011-05-08 01:54 that gps takes forever to get a first fix, doesn't it ? :) 2011-05-08 01:54 :-(Â Â no no 2011-05-08 01:54 could you extract time from the dump ? 2011-05-08 01:55 i dont have too much data but for the last dump i got, it seems to cath some satellites 2011-05-08 01:55 not 2011-05-08 01:55 were just few miliseconds... 2011-05-08 01:55 next dump will beÂ Â some seconds at least 30.. 2011-05-08 01:56 i need catch satellites PRN before extract any navigational data wich is the easy part actually 2011-05-08 01:56 s/cath/track/correlate 2011-05-08 01:57 yeah, i had been slow on this, i had to learn lots of things... 2011-05-08 01:58 now just finishing the milkymist core, i hope it works.. at least better than in SIE, now that i fixed some bad habits during acquisition. 2011-05-08 01:58 (dump size) best if you can get 60 seconds. that way, you can be sure that for any satellite you find you will have an entire frame 2011-05-08 01:59 he well, the ideal will be at least 30 mminutes if i want a full almanac i remenber 2011-05-08 02:00 but i can cheat and load some updated almanacs from the web :) 2011-05-08 02:00 i think once you can fully decode the first minute, the rest will be easy :) 2011-05-08 02:01 :) 2011-05-08 02:11 s/noise/pseudo randon noise 2011-05-08 02:13 i remenber DocScrutinizer pointe a nices graphs about that process time ago 2011-05-08 02:14 something like thisÂ Â i think http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/receiv3.gif 2011-05-08 02:18 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html 2011-05-08 02:20 kristianpaul is there a description of your GPS project online? I am not sure if you are doing software defined radio for gps? or some hardware assist 2011-05-08 02:22 i dont do the rf front end and some downconvertion and data serialization, the rest is software for now 2011-05-08 02:22 offline processing, you can check this page http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/receiver_operation.htm 2011-05-08 02:23 give you a good idea i think 2011-05-08 02:25 thx 2011-05-08 02:26 wpwrak: when you said extract time, it was about clock or navigation data? 2011-05-08 02:34 kristianpaul: the data sent by the satellited (in the 1st subframe) 2011-05-08 02:39 like TOW and such? 2011-05-08 02:51 yeah, "time within the week", wikipedia calls it 2011-05-08 03:04 okay now make the testbench 2011-05-08 03:10 yeah the chart at the bottom of the homepage is funny indeed 2011-05-08 03:10 I wish we had 5000 visitors each day 2011-05-08 03:12 wpwrak does 4760 support 2x 8:10 interfaces (I think ans is yes?) 2011-05-08 03:12 rjeffries: even 3x if the manual is to be trusted 2011-05-08 03:13 wolfspraul: have any found their way to the shop yet ? (if it was actually reachable :) 2011-05-08 03:13 wow the one day bump in visits to home page is cool 2011-05-08 03:14 we may get another wave around now - us west coast evening 2011-05-08 03:14 will 4760 have more free gpios or about same as current chip 2011-05-08 03:15 rjeffries: are you interested on 4760 for some particular porpuse? 2011-05-08 03:15 rjeffries: a lot more. the 4720 has 90. the 4760 has 168 2011-05-08 03:16 need a dual cored xburst 2011-05-08 03:16 or milkymist... 2011-05-08 03:16 but that need better bus support :-) 2011-05-08 03:16 isny 4760 dueal core? 2011-05-08 03:16 i think... 2011-05-08 03:16 kristianpaul: i hope he's collecting investors or sponsors for our cause ;-) 2011-05-08 03:17 wpwrak just thinking is all 2011-05-08 03:18 would a design simular to atben that was built0in to a future NN be able to use GPIOs rather than specifically the sfio stuff 2011-05-08 03:19 I wonder what mass produced products there are that use 4760 2011-05-08 03:19 may be 4760 will have built-in wlan rjeffries ;) 2011-05-08 03:19 what atben really wants is spi. sp it should use an spi port. the 4760 has two of them. 2011-05-08 03:19 rjeffries: did you tried asking xbusrt (seriouslly, this questions are good to ask then) 2011-05-08 03:20 i was thinking wich mobile phones are using at xbust chip atm.. 2011-05-08 03:20 I do not know anybody there and do not read/write Chinese 2011-05-08 03:20 s/xburst/Ingenic 2011-05-08 03:21 from what wolfsprau1l has said in past Ingenic is n ot exactlt open to strathgers 2011-05-08 03:21 rjeffries: come on, english is wellcome everywhere ;) 2011-05-08 03:21 wpwrak: oh sure, a nice batch of orders, maybe about 6 or 8 now, and probably some more with David 2011-05-08 03:22 when slashdot covered the launch there were about 100, if I remember correctly 2011-05-08 03:22 (spi on 4760) hmm ... or maybe just one. manual seems inconsistent once more 2011-05-08 03:22 this time maybe 10 in the end :-) 2011-05-08 03:23 wolfspraul: whee ! a warm meal for the whole family ! ;-) 2011-05-08 03:28 heh, 4760pm is great. there are three versions of the number of spi interfaces: the overview drawing and the feature list has two. the section on the spi controller has one. the register map and the end has a whole three of them. 2011-05-08 03:28 heisenberg would be so proud :) 2011-05-08 03:30 gpio map has two. so maybe that's the real truth. alas, it seems that that the multiplexing is such that using both SPI means losing one SD/MMC. 2011-05-08 03:31 I wonder if this tablet is hipping yet? 2011-05-08 03:31 http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/14083-velocity-cruz-tablet-processor-ingenic-jz4760/ 2011-05-08 03:33 looks like Borders book store sells it 2011-05-08 03:34 $249 2011-05-08 03:34 wonder if it has been rooted 2011-05-08 03:36 Best Buy for $170 (Velocity Cruz 7 inch tablet based on 4760) 2011-05-08 03:36 buy one !! 2011-05-08 03:37 not kidding, i dont have the money or i will, but worth to disassemble take pics, and start replacing uboot... 2011-05-08 03:43 actually just saw where it was at one poiny on sale for $99 and yes it has been rooted. now it needs VGA ;) 2011-05-08 03:45 rjeffries: buy one, play with it. when you get bored with it, send it to kristianpaul :) 2011-05-08 03:47 I'll see if I can fine a cheap one 2011-05-08 03:55 Seems to sell fro $120 some places 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ Full color TFT display 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ 7â€ diagonal 800x600 screen 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ Android 2.0 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ 256MB RAM, 256MB internal storage 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ Supports ePub, PDF, TXT, PDB, HTML reader ?les 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ MP3, WMA, AAC, WAV audio support 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ MPEG-4, H.264 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP image support 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ 802.11 b/g wi? 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ Li-Ion battery - up to 10+ hours of life, 24+ standby 2011-05-08 03:56 â€¢ 4GB Bundled SD card 2011-05-08 03:57 evidently no USB but decent amount of RAM and has SD slot 2011-05-08 03:58 reference: http://www.staples.com/Velocity-Micro-Cruz-eReader/product_913150 2011-05-08 05:21 Hey, saw your slashdot story 2011-05-08 05:21 Nick hack! 2011-05-08 05:21 that's all. 2011-05-08 05:24 that was nice! 2011-05-08 07:07 Good mooorninggg vietnaaam 2011-05-08 07:07 or better: Godd morning Qiots ;) 2011-05-08 07:07 s/Godd/good 2011-05-08 07:10 suggestion for http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/index.html: Group the Index by year, then subgrouped by month, would e a nice feat. ;) 2011-05-08 07:10 *be 2011-05-08 08:34 "qiots" heh ;-) 2011-05-08 08:37 Fusin: yeah, structuring the IRC log archive index a bit like the mailing list archive index would probably be nice. the current list of all days in more than a year is kinda intimidating 2011-05-08 08:43 that would involve editing of source code of log2html.py, as it doesn't provide such setting 2011-05-08 08:43 or switching to some other log parser 2011-05-08 08:45 yeah, i thought so (readed somewhere that it was a script building the log) alas i don't know nothing about python, except the real ones are dangerous .... 2011-05-08 09:02 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mgedmin/irclog2html/trunk/view/head:/src/irclog2html/logs2html.py 2011-05-08 09:03 # TODO: split by year/month.Â Â Perhaps split off old logs into separate pages 2011-05-08 09:03 see, we can just wait for developer to do his job :) 2011-05-08 09:03 nice. they'll be happy about your patch :) 2011-05-08 09:03 i fear that the patch would be trivial.. might have a look 2011-05-08 09:04 need to recall some html skillz :) 2011-05-08 09:25 wolfspraul: btw, if you're using any of the ubb-vga pictures from my web page for the monthly news, you can find full resolution versions by just removing the -small or -medium 2011-05-08 09:26 overloaded, but yeah, definitely. thanks! 2011-05-08 09:29 wolfspraul: plan b, skip may and aim for a timely june update ? 2011-05-08 09:29 wolfspraul: with the date drifting, the "leap month" will happen sooner or later anyway 2011-05-08 09:38 roh: that rfid thingy .. you wondered about the "decent antenna". who says it's decent ? :-) over a few cm, almost anything somehow "works"" 2011-05-08 09:39 ? 2011-05-08 09:43 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html 2011-05-08 09:43 (from the slashdot comments .... ) 2011-05-08 14:25 hmm, ok, seems that grouping by year/month in web irclogs is working now 2011-05-08 14:27 at the same time css for milkymist logs were fixed (/mmlogs/irclog.css was not accessible) 2011-05-08 14:28 wow, with foldable menus even 2011-05-08 14:28 yeah, isn't it how you depicted it? :) 2011-05-08 14:28 although a simple table may be more efficient. one row per month, 28-31 columns. 2011-05-08 14:29 wow 2011-05-08 14:29 wpwrak: do you mean, like a calendar? 2011-05-08 14:30 btw, the turandot time is 5 minutes ahead 2011-05-08 14:30 looks cool, though :) the +- is a bit confusing. it's usually + when folded, - when open. 2011-05-08 14:30 i suggest installing ntp server 2011-05-08 14:30 feel free 2011-05-08 14:31 wpwrak: yeah, maybe it's the next step, cause it would require changing some css 2011-05-08 14:31 kyak: (calender) yup. put the day number in the title/header row, and Mon/Tue/Wed/... or M/T/W/... in the per month rows. 2011-05-08 14:33 the next feature would then be an indicator of relative activity, e.g., a small bar in each day/month/year 2011-05-08 14:33 such things can be dangerous time sinks ;-) 2011-05-08 14:34 wpwrak: i know what you mean, but it could be ugly.. see for yourself: http://logs.xtmb.info/eggdrop/ 2011-05-08 14:34 ugly colors :) 2011-05-08 14:34 as for activity statistics, there are powerful irc log analysers, like pisg.. I'm not sure if we really need them :) 2011-05-08 14:36 irc activity seems to more or less track mailing list activity. e.g., last month was eerily quiet both on irc and the list. i actually downloaded all the irc logs and plotted their size 2011-05-08 14:36 also, uncompressed size and compressed size follow each other very closely for relative changes 2011-05-08 14:36 kyak: oh, I just see I get a new eggdrop error, ending in IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/irc/irclog2html/src/irclog2html/listCollapse.js' 2011-05-08 14:37 wolfspraul: lemme check it.. 2011-05-08 14:38 you can see such messages if you subscribe to the mailman site list, basically all admin mails go there 2011-05-08 14:38 http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman 2011-05-08 14:38 you don't need to, you would just load more admin junk on you 2011-05-08 14:38 but that's where such mails go 2011-05-08 14:38 wolfspraul: i think that was a one-time error, i changed the file permissions afterwards 2011-05-08 14:38 should be fine now :) 2011-05-08 14:39 if you want to subscribe to ahead, subscription is moderated though because information in those mails _may_ compromise security (it shouldn't, but you never know, they are error mails...) 2011-05-08 14:39 kyak: (table format) i had something of this kind of style in mind: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/tab.html 2011-05-08 14:39 ok perfect 2011-05-08 14:39 kyak: looks a bit crowded. maybe better with just one letter per day, and maybe colors to highlight the weekends or the sundays 2011-05-08 14:41 wpwrak: looking at it.. are you sure it's more preferable than expandable lists? 2011-05-08 14:42 mm logs (http://en.qi-hardware.com/mmlogs/) are in the same style now, btw 2011-05-08 14:44 maybe this is better ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/tab2.html 2011-05-08 14:44 fields would have to be centered, though 2011-05-08 14:48 i wonder if there are designers on the channel who can advice the best way to represent a bunch of irc logs :) 2011-05-08 14:49 be careful what you ask for ;-) 2011-05-08 14:51 hehe 2011-05-08 15:00 omg - kyak is unleashing the designers... 2011-05-08 15:04 to me the mgedmin stuff is just fine 2011-05-08 15:05 waaaaay better than e.g #openmoko borked useless irclogs 2011-05-08 15:06 greets all Qiots ;) 2011-05-08 15:09 anyway, i agree that Â± is somewhat confusing, and since it can't be changed to +/-, maybe â€™ will be more general.. 2011-05-08 15:09 we'll see in couple of minutes :) 2011-05-08 15:10 Fusin: you started all that!! 2011-05-08 15:10 huh? moi???? 2011-05-08 15:10 what did i do? 2011-05-08 15:11 Fusin: http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/ :) 2011-05-08 15:11 aah ;) 2011-05-08 15:11 nice :D 2011-05-08 15:12 any improvement is good. 2011-05-08 15:13 soon I will ask massive boring questions (maybe) 2011-05-08 15:13 when I'll try to install SDK and start learning C :P 2011-05-08 15:16