2011-05-06 02:01 <rozzin> What should I do with patches to stuff under feeds/packages/?
2011-05-06 02:02 <rozzin> Should I just send the (svn) diff to the Qi Hardware mailing-list,
2011-05-06 02:02 <kristianpaul> yeah, send patches to mail-list
2011-05-06 02:02 <rozzin> or should I move whatever package I've changed into qipackages and submit that diff,
2011-05-06 02:03 <rozzin> ?
2011-05-06 02:03 <rozzin> I have changes that I need to the OpenWRT Makefiles for gsl and mpc.
2011-05-06 02:04 <rozzin> ... and then I have some new packages to add on top of that :)
2011-05-06 02:05 <rozzin> Made a bunch of changes to GJay to make it work on OpenWRT/Ben.
2011-05-06 02:16 <rozzin> Hm.
2011-05-06 02:16 <rozzin> It looks like upstream OpenWRT has updated ncmpc already.
2011-05-06 07:35 <LunaVorax_mini> Hi everyone !
2011-05-06 07:35 <LunaVorax_mini> Call me stupid but
2011-05-06 07:35 <LunaVorax_mini> I decided that my Ben will now replace my phone
2011-05-06 07:35 <LunaVorax_mini> As I never use my phone and as it only serve as a clock.
2011-05-06 07:35 <LunaVorax_mini> The Ben is less dangerous (no radio waves) and way more useful.
2011-05-06 09:12 <LunaVorax_mini> I wonder if that would be hard to add a "sleep" function to Gmenu2x
2011-05-06 09:12 <Jay7> should be easy
2011-05-06 09:12 <LunaVorax_mini> To turn the screen off when the Nanonote isn't used in order to save some battery.
2011-05-06 09:12 <LunaVorax_mini> Yeah, I should look at the GMU's code.
2011-05-06 09:13 <LunaVorax_mini> Dunno if the Ben Nanonote's processor also support some sleep function and stuff.
2011-05-06 09:13 <LunaVorax_mini> Like we have on regular x86 laptops
2011-05-06 09:13 <Jay7> echo 'mem' > ......
2011-05-06 09:14 <Jay7> (can't remember path)
2011-05-06 09:14 <LunaVorax_mini> What ?
2011-05-06 09:14 <Jay7> but I'm unsure we support this right now
2011-05-06 09:14 <Jay7> suspend to ram
2011-05-06 09:14 <Jay7> echo mem > /sys/power/state
2011-05-06 09:14 <Jay7> kinda this
2011-05-06 09:15 <Jay7> or call pm-suspend
2011-05-06 09:15 <Jay7> but as I said I'm unsure NN is supporting this
2011-05-06 09:15 <Jay7> well.. I should go
2011-05-06 09:16 <Jay7> afk
2011-05-06 18:14 <lekernel> http://nimk.nl/eng/calendar/pixxxel-milkymist
2011-05-06 18:17 <kristianpaul> curios that i havent  heard about sebastien workshops over this side of the world ;)
2011-05-06 18:19 <kristianpaul> i mean so often :-)
2011-05-06 22:07 <viric> have you seen http://www.raspberrypi.org/ ?
2011-05-06 22:08 <viric> I wonder what camera they use.
2011-05-06 22:08 <wpwrak> viric: have you seen the thread on the mailing list ? ;-)
2011-05-06 22:09 <wpwrak> (camera) a poorly mounted one, it seems :)
2011-05-06 22:12 <wpwrak> ahm i's with a cable. then the position would be determined by the case. okay, so it may be fine in the end.
2011-05-06 22:21 <viric> hm. no. the thread no. I just saw that on regular press
2011-05-06 22:22 <viric> Well. On fascist press in fact, that I was showing to someone for an example.
2011-05-06 22:25 <viric> that small 'pi' thing has openGL ES too.
2011-05-06 22:28 <wpwrak> with an open source driver ? ;-)
2011-05-06 22:28 <viric> I've no idea. They really tell little in their web site.
2011-05-06 22:29 <wpwrak> i think i know the answer already :)
2011-05-06 22:32 <viric> if it is not there, it is not open. Clear. :)
2011-05-06 22:33 <lekernel> viric: next time, bring qi hardware news to the news sites instead of bringing the crap from the news sites into qi hardware
2011-05-06 22:34 <wpwrak> that would indeed be helpful :) it's nice to hear from what's happening in the world around us, but it's a bit irritating if that makes up the majority of the discussions in "our" project ...
2011-05-06 22:34 <viric> I agree.
2011-05-06 22:34 <lekernel> I could do without such crap as this pi thing
2011-05-06 22:35 <viric> I still consider the nanonote far more useful than this pi thing, clear.
2011-05-06 22:35 <lekernel> this is just empty buzz and proprietary stuff
2011-05-06 22:35 <wpwrak> viric: (opengl) we've been hunting for open opengl quite a bit in openmoko and didn't get particularly far. all the usable chips have some proprietary component that quite spoils the fun
2011-05-06 22:35 <viric> well, I was surprised that something like this appeared in a fascist newspaper. :)
2011-05-06 22:35 <viric> wpwrak: really? I thought there were some opengl es things in mesa.
2011-05-06 22:35 <wpwrak> viric: good PR :)
2011-05-06 22:36 <lekernel> wpwrak: you can improve the milkymist tmu and get full opengl es from it
2011-05-06 22:36 <lekernel> it should be doable in a couple of months imo
2011-05-06 22:36 <wpwrak> viric: i mean on small devices (smartphone and such)
2011-05-06 22:36 <wpwrak> lekernel: heh, wish i could commit to this sort of effort
2011-05-06 22:36 <lekernel> except, of course, driver for imbecilic software like X.org
2011-05-06 22:37 <viric> what is there in linux using GL other than X.org?
2011-05-06 22:37 <viric> I've only seen GL used in X.
2011-05-06 22:38 <lekernel> yes and this is one big problem
2011-05-06 22:39 <viric> but there are small devices out there like touchscreens with GPS, running Linux (I don't know how much of GNU), and with 2D GL for sure, no?
2011-05-06 22:39 <viric> I never thought they were running any X.
2011-05-06 22:40 <viric> lekernel: have you written your synthesizer? :)
2011-05-06 22:40 <viric> I remember you wanted to do so.
2011-05-06 22:40 <lekernel> yeah. no, i'm not done with it
2011-05-06 22:41 <lekernel> if you want, you can help me sell thousands of M1s, then i'll get more time to work on that synthesizer :)
2011-05-06 22:41 <viric> I usually appear in the side of 'bad examples', when marketing people talk about me
2011-05-06 22:43 <viric> lekernel: how do you program the fpga in m1?
2011-05-06 22:43 <viric> you have jtag pins in the board?
2011-05-06 22:44 <viric> lekernel: and are the 128MB of RAM available for the linux OS there, or they are for the fpga only?
2011-05-06 22:44 <lekernel> yes, there is JTAG on board, and this is one way (among others) to load the FPGA
2011-05-06 22:44 <viric> hm sorry. I'm mixing things. I thought mikymist was a spartan 6 attached to a nanonote board
2011-05-06 22:45 <viric> (so, with a linux running in something very similar to the nanonote)
2011-05-06 22:45 <viric> but is there a linux running in a cpu in the fpga?
2011-05-06 22:45 <lekernel> there's uclinux yes
2011-05-06 22:45 <lekernel> with 128M RAM
2011-05-06 22:45 <viric> ah uclinux
2011-05-06 22:45 <lekernel> yeah
2011-05-06 22:45 <viric> that's basically linux without mmu?
2011-05-06 22:46 <lekernel> yes. there is an existing effort to add a MMU to milkymist, but i'm not throwing much energy into it
2011-05-06 22:46 <viric> ok
2011-05-06 22:46 <lekernel> it brings zero feature to my application
2011-05-06 22:46 <lekernel> it's just geeky fun
2011-05-06 22:46 <viric> :)
2011-05-06 22:46 <viric> the milkymist soc is in verilog, right?
2011-05-06 22:47 <lekernel> yes
2011-05-06 22:47 <viric> that keeps me a bit out meanwhile.
2011-05-06 22:50 <viric> What can't uclinux do? I mean... I know the effects of no mmu. but I don't know how that maps to syscalls
2011-05-06 22:50 <lekernel> why?
2011-05-06 22:50 <lekernel> if you're good at vhdl it shouldn't be hard to pick up verilog
2011-05-06 22:50 <viric> I also think so
2011-05-06 22:50 <viric> has userland software to be any special to run for uclinux?
2011-05-06 22:51 <lekernel> no fork/mmap, and wild pointers can do a lot of harm
2011-05-06 22:51 <wpwrak> hmm, whay's the antonym of "to tame" ? "feralize" probably isn't in the dictionary ... :)
2011-05-06 22:51 <viric> lekernel: but there should be a fork/mmap syscall anyway
2011-05-06 22:51 <wpwrak> of course, in a way, that just makes it better, hmm ...
2011-05-06 22:51 <viric> lekernel: otherwise it reduces a lot the amount of userland reusable
2011-05-06 22:52 <lekernel> there's some support indeed
2011-05-06 22:52 <lekernel> for a few cases
2011-05-06 22:52 <viric> hm ok·
2011-05-06 22:52 <viric> Sorry for not having looked more at milkymist still
2011-05-06 22:54 <viric> ok, late in CEST. Good night!
2011-05-06 22:55 <lekernel> gn8
2011-05-06 23:07 <wpwrak> grmbl. vga+lcd together doesn't seem to work anymore. sigh. so much about a cool "press photo".
2011-05-06 23:08 <kristianpaul> just stoped working ? or..
2011-05-06 23:09 <wpwrak> one of the changes since i had it working may have broken it. or maybe it just has a low probability of working in the first place. all the timing is very fragile.
2011-05-06 23:10 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: btw, have you build your ubb-vga yet ? :)
2011-05-06 23:10 <wpwrak> kristoffer: and how about yours ? :)
2011-05-06 23:11 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: he, not but is on my todo
2011-05-06 23:11 <kristianpaul> i will
2011-05-06 23:11 <wpwrak> only takes about 1-2 hours to make. most of the time goes into figuring out which vga wire goes where.
2011-05-06 23:12 <kristianpaul> okay i'll source the vga female connector tomorrow
2011-05-06 23:14 <kristianpaul> oh, make brd is working
2011-05-06 23:15 <wpwrak> in ubb-vga ? yes, but it shows you an untested design
2011-05-06 23:15 <kristianpaul> ah np not thiking in making a brd  ;)
2011-05-06 23:15 <wpwrak> that is basically my best idea for a mechanically sound cable so far
2011-05-06 23:16 <wpwrak> i did the layout mainly to check if the idea would work at all, with enough room for things, etc.
2011-05-06 23:16 <wpwrak> the corresponding schematics are also slightly different, "make schp"
2011-05-06 23:17 <wpwrak> note that i switched Y and R, to have better ground connectivity. so the colors would be off with the current driver. fixing that is just a matter of changing two #defines, though
2011-05-06 23:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga.c: moved timer setup and LCD disabling into noirq setup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/f7e8fbb
2011-05-06 23:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga: new option -2 to keep on refreshing the LCD display (experimental) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/ba1d297