2011-05-03 02:30 <rjeffries> wpwrak lookinh ay your latest UBB/VGA results indicates Wolfspraul should start a program to copyleft (is that a verb??) the XEN-1510T monitor. Maybe bundle a monitor with each UBB VGA adapter?
2011-05-03 02:30 <rjeffries> <smile>
2011-05-03 02:38 <kristianpaul> rjeffries: you could help testing, you have UBB, i guess some time also to reproduce werner work at home and try with your monitor too.
2011-05-03 02:39 <rjeffries> kristianpaul I donated my UBB to the friend who temporarily loaned his Ben to me
2011-05-03 02:40 <kristianpaul> oh, nice :_)
2011-05-03 02:40 <kristianpaul> so, you're are missing that ben currently i hope ;-)
2011-05-03 03:05 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: hey there. What kind of GPS antenna are you using right now?
2011-05-03 03:05 <wolfspraul> I'm wondering if we wanted to make an integrated product, what kind of difficulties we would be facing with a much smaller pcb antenna, or other integrated antenna...
2011-05-03 03:06 <kristianpaul> hmm thats an unexplored field for me
2011-05-03 03:06 <kristianpaul> my current working antenna is a GPS Active one, RANG001312G
2011-05-03 03:07 <kristianpaul> also considering sige chip is just 2 bit resolution is to say that indoor surelly will be a problem
2011-05-03 03:07 <kristianpaul> also i dint explore yet the internal LNA in the sie chip, wich may allow us to use a PCB like atenna i think
2011-05-03 03:07 <kristianpaul> s/sie/sige
2011-05-03 03:07 <wolfspraul> ok that's some starting information, thanks!
2011-05-03 03:08 <wolfspraul> we'll get to those things :-)
2011-05-03 04:29 <kristianpaul> hey, nice news pointed from Korotnev Vladislav :-)
2011-05-03 08:31 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: more ore less
2011-05-03 08:47 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: libtheora: add our own version of libtheora, better tuned for NanoNote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b27e018
2011-05-03 15:22 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: what the input/output trougput you can achieve using DMA in the 8:10 port?
2011-05-03 15:24 <LunaVorax_mini> Hi everyone !
2011-05-03 15:24 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: 56*4 bits/s = 28 MB/s
2011-05-03 15:25 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: if i try to go faster the MMC controller stops working :)
2011-05-03 15:25 <kristianpaul> :o
2011-05-03 15:25 <kristianpaul> thats in both directions right?
2011-05-03 15:26 <wpwrak> well, in xor out
2011-05-03 15:26 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-05-03 15:26 <kristianpaul> well i guess input will be at least that half of fast
2011-05-03 15:32 <LunaVorax_mini> Is it a good idea to make a post on the forum about the idea I had for a "Ben Nanonote fork" to see what people are thinking ?
2011-05-03 15:33 <LunaVorax_mini> I'm a bit scared that people will take it bad if I only throw in ideas and no "concrete" stuffs (like schematics and such)
2011-05-03 15:52 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga: try to clock MSC faster than the MMC bus; new video mode "640x480/61" http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/5817669
2011-05-03 15:52 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga/README: first 640x480 success with the 206NW; housekeeping http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/72235b9
2011-05-03 15:52 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga.c (delay): try to compensate for APB jitter (experimental) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/01d33e2
2011-05-03 15:52 <wpwrak> LunaVorax_mini: what fork ?
2011-05-03 15:53 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: input is the same speed as output. it's synchronous, with the host providing the clock.
2011-05-03 16:01 <LunaVorax_mini> wpwrak, I suggested manytime that a "devboard" like thing (exactly like the beagleboard and such) based on the Ben Nanonote should be made
2011-05-03 16:02 <LunaVorax_mini> Not better than the Ben but only with extra connectivity like VGA, Ethernet and such
2011-05-03 16:02 <LunaVorax_mini> I think I suggested it a lot of times... or mayde I though hard about it during a long period of time...
2011-05-03 16:02 <LunaVorax_mini> Anyway
2011-05-03 16:02 <kristianpaul> you can hack the ben to achieve those items, well vga already is
2011-05-03 16:03 <kristianpaul> suguestions are good, but it alos need to be sellable :-)
2011-05-03 16:03 <LunaVorax_mini> Of course. That's why I was wondering about making a post to see how good the idea would be.
2011-05-03 16:06 <kristianpaul> even if you dont have time or skills for pcb making there are some boards with spi/ethernet ready 10/100Mbits bte
2011-05-03 16:06 <kristianpaul> just matter of buy one, plug and hack the linux driver for that chip (microchip one)
2011-05-03 16:07 <kristianpaul> of coruse making it willbe fun !
2011-05-03 16:07 <kristianpaul> coruse/course
2011-05-03 16:41 <wpwrak> LunaVorax_mini: (devboard) that was more or less of concept of the SIE. also, there probably are prototyping boards for this cpu around.
2011-05-03 16:45 <kristianpaul> around even in magazines ;)
2011-05-03 16:46 <kristianpaul> s/in/fitted in
2011-05-03 16:46 <wpwrak> ah, that vogue thing ?
2011-05-03 16:47 <kristianpaul> yeah
2011-05-03 16:51 <kristianpaul> i wonder in wich mobile phones..
2011-05-03 17:04 <LunaVorax_mini> wpwrak, of course I could stick with an hawkboard, but since the Ben Nanonote is meant to have open schematics to be reused in other projects it may be "funnier" ;)
2011-05-03 17:04 <LunaVorax_mini> Anyway the word "devboard" may be inapropriate for what I'm thinking.
2011-05-03 17:05 <LunaVorax_mini> I was more thinking about a (forgive me for saying that) an Apple TV clone.
2011-05-03 17:05 <LunaVorax_mini> Small board with power input + video out + audio out + usb host + ethernet and voilà.
2011-05-03 17:06 <wpwrak> LunaVorax_mini: what quantity would you expect to produce ?
2011-05-03 17:06 <wpwrak> LunaVorax_mini: and would it be just a bare board or would it also have a case ?
2011-05-03 17:06 <LunaVorax_mini> wpwrak, I really have no idea, this is more of a concept rather than a serious thing.
2011-05-03 17:06 <LunaVorax_mini> Hum
2011-05-03 17:07 <LunaVorax_mini> Ok I'll tell you the long story about my idea :P
2011-05-03 17:08 <LunaVorax_mini> At first it I had the idea of a device for a game console that would be dedicated to indie video games. SD card slot for storage, video and audio for the TV and ethernet to download games via a Gmenu2X menu like.
2011-05-03 17:10 <wpwrak> = pandora ?
2011-05-03 17:10 <LunaVorax_mini> But then I realized that such a Linux powered device could have way more potential. Of course the Ben really is hackable, you guys proved it to me in many ways, but for software focused only people like me, it may be confusing or even dangerous to go down and solder things on the board to add a VGA connector or something.
2011-05-03 17:11 <wpwrak> LunaVorax_mini: (dangerous) ubb is fairly safe :) even if you short things, nothing breaks. things can be hacked without incurring excessive risk; don't listen to rjeffries ;-)
2011-05-03 17:11 <LunaVorax_mini> The pandora is the pandora, it's an handled device. I was thinking about a small device for the home and for a lot of purpose (gaming console, jukebox playing files over the networks, etc)
2011-05-03 17:11 <LunaVorax_mini> Haha ok
2011-05-03 17:11 <LunaVorax_mini> But in anyway, it can get confusing for some people when it comes to soldering or see the naked board (yikes)
2011-05-03 17:12 <wpwrak> you get used to those worrying sights :)
2011-05-03 17:12 <LunaVorax_mini> Maybe I'm too annoying with all of that, I don't know.
2011-05-03 17:13 <LunaVorax_mini> Best thing would be for me to get my hand on a hawkboard (which looks closely to what I would want as a Ben Nanonote board), play with it and come back saying "Hey I made this with the hawkboard, why wouldn't make it with the Ben ?".
2011-05-03 17:14 <LunaVorax_mini> But again, that's my idea and fantasy so I need to know what you are thinking about it.
2011-05-03 17:16 <LunaVorax_mini> In the other hand the Milkymist is cool but it may be too advanced for such a little project, also it's using an FPGA and not the Ingenic chip.
2011-05-03 17:17 <LunaVorax_mini> (and it's way more expensive than the Ben, because of the FPGA I suppose)
2011-05-03 17:17 <rjeffries> LunaVorax Milkymist is super, but in a completely differnt class than Ben on multiple dimensions
2011-05-03 17:17 <LunaVorax_mini> Yes rjeffries that's what I tried to say.
2011-05-03 17:17 <rjeffries> yes about $500 now while Ben is nominally $100 + shipping
2011-05-03 17:19 <rjeffries> there are several pretty cool alternatives around. In addition to Hawkboard (a clone of Beagleboard as I recall) there is the newer Panda board that TI is backing
2011-05-03 17:19 <LunaVorax_mini> Indeed, that's also why I suggested a naked board for that Nanonote thing. It would make it more flexible (imo) and remove the cost ot the case, battery, screen and keyboard.
2011-05-03 17:20 <rjeffries> the project that has faded that was in that direction was swiss army knife board later called SIE
2011-05-03 17:21 <rjeffries> it had Ingenic SOC + FPGA and has a lot more capable i/o than Ben
2011-05-03 17:21 <rjeffries> it eliminated the keyboard, but maintained a connector so the Ben LCD module could be attached
2011-05-03 17:21 <LunaVorax_mini> I know rjeffries but I consider the Pandaboard being too sophisticated as it have DVI + HDMI while Composite and/or VGA is more than enough (and everyone doesn't necessarily have DVI/HDMI compatible devices)
2011-05-03 17:22 <rjeffries> well, that is an interesting point of view in that it is getting hard to find displays that support VGA
2011-05-03 17:22 <LunaVorax_mini> Ingenic SOC + FPGA ? I never was thinking about a more powerfull device, only a more connectable one.
2011-05-03 17:23 <rjeffries> I could see a nice small market for a next gen Ingenic device similar to what you need, but with newer4760 SOC and more i/o
2011-05-03 17:23 <LunaVorax_mini> Hum, I don't know, I may have a bad point of view but still it's easier for me to find analog devices. But I really don't know about other people in fact.
2011-05-03 17:23 <LunaVorax_mini> Mkay :)
2011-05-03 17:24 <rjeffries> LunaVorax where do you live if I might ask
2011-05-03 17:24 <LunaVorax_mini> France, south
2011-05-03 17:24 <rjeffries> nice place !
2011-05-03 17:24 <LunaVorax_mini> I really insist on the fact that I'm not asking for more power, the Ben really is capable !
2011-05-03 17:24 <LunaVorax_mini> Haha thanks
2011-05-03 17:25 <LunaVorax_mini> Btw, my fellows
2011-05-03 17:25 <LunaVorax_mini> oop
2011-05-03 17:25 <LunaVorax_mini> My fellow comp-sci students at college are impressed by the Ben ;)
2011-05-03 17:25 <rjeffries> Ben's lack of host mode USB is a sever constratint
2011-05-03 17:25 <rjeffries> as well they should be ;)
2011-05-03 17:25 <LunaVorax_mini> I agree rjeffries !
2011-05-03 17:26 <rjeffries> s/sever/severe/
2011-05-03 17:26 <LunaVorax_mini> Haha yes "But it really is a computer ?"
2011-05-03 17:26 <LunaVorax_mini> I even heard "Can I go on Facebook with that" haha
2011-05-03 17:26 <rjeffries> well getting on the Internet is not a crazy desire. ;)
2011-05-03 17:27 <LunaVorax_mini> Network makes the device even more exciting to use indeed.
2011-05-03 17:27 <LunaVorax_mini> I'm not trolling, but it's way more magical than an iPad for me.
2011-05-03 17:27 <LunaVorax_mini> Maybe I'm too old school.
2011-05-03 17:28 <rjeffries> Ben is a minimalist Linux system that is impressive in those terms
2011-05-03 17:30 <LunaVorax_mini> Indeed, I couldn't say it better. Could have been great for Python/C coding on the go but the keyboard it a little too... capricious ? ;)
2011-05-03 17:31 <rjeffries> donning fireproof gear: the Ben keyboard sucks. period.
2011-05-03 17:31 <LunaVorax_mini> Hahahahaha
2011-05-03 17:35 <LunaVorax_mini> Hum in the other hand, I'm very amused when I read the suggestion for the Ya Nanonote
2011-05-03 17:35 <LunaVorax_mini> GPS ! Touchscreen !
2011-05-03 17:35 <LunaVorax_mini> ;P
2011-05-03 17:35 <LunaVorax_mini> May be a little too much too early ?
2011-05-03 17:36 <LunaVorax_mini> In fact I'm a bit scared about touchscreen, except for the iDevices I rarely saw a good working touchscreen devices... or a non laggy one.
2011-05-03 17:37 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (next dev) yeah, it's easier to sneak such a "devboard" in while making a new device.
2011-05-03 18:10 <wpwrak> sorry, busy day. gptta run. i'll catch up with the discussion ina few hours
2011-05-03 20:23 <Jay7> hehe
2011-05-03 20:23 <Jay7> will try to find Vogue magazine tomorrow
2011-05-03 20:24 <Jay7> ah.. Moscow only :(
2011-05-03 20:34 <LunohoD> anything interesting inside?
2011-05-03 20:40 <Jay7> LunohoD: yeah, qvga screen + board
2011-05-03 20:41 <Jay7> kind of advertizing module
2011-05-03 20:41 <Jay7> look for links in ML
2011-05-03 20:44 <LunohoD> Jay7: cannot find the link
2011-05-03 20:46 <Jay7> LunohoD: can you read russian?
2011-05-03 20:46 <LunohoD> sure ;)
2011-05-03 20:46 <Jay7> http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/hardware/108921/
2011-05-03 20:46 <LunohoD> thanks
2011-05-03 20:47 <LunohoD> i've seen that before
2011-05-03 20:47 <LunohoD> does the current vogue contain the same thing?
2011-05-03 20:47 <Jay7> I've just not seen that before
2011-05-03 20:48 <Jay7> strange.. can't find that letter in ML archive too
2011-05-03 20:52 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: for tuxbrain, we'll soon need exponential notation: "... was last seen quitting #qi-hardware 1 << 4 days ago"
2011-05-03 21:03 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: r u finally going to FISL?
2011-05-03 21:04 <kristianpaul> i'll write some mails to introduce Jon to some people i know from brazil, so i think i proper cc you too in case of going
2011-05-03 21:04 <kristianpaul> s/i/is
2011-05-03 21:18 <kristianpaul> okay mail sent !!
2011-05-03 21:18 <kristianpaul> ah, jon is gone.. anyway :-)
2011-05-03 21:19 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: (tuxbrain) naw, i think he will join from time to time, to avoid the idle count to go up ;)
2011-05-03 21:32 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (fisl) don't have a confirmation yet
2011-05-03 22:31 <lekernel> http://lekernel.net/blog/?p=1391
2011-05-03 22:35 <lekernel> twitterwall on milkymist
2011-05-03 22:36 <wpwrak> lekernel: cute. now you have an excuse for never turning off milkymist and tv ;-)
2011-05-03 22:49 <rjeffries> clever stuff, lekernel