2011-04-27 01:18 <wpwrak> rejon: ah, vga line length ... make that 4096 pixels. it's 2048 bytes and the bus is only 4 bits wide. not that i'd really expect to come anywhere near that kind of resolution ;-) (it's not only a question of the ben but also of the monitor. if the monitor accepts an extremely low refresh rate, which a digital monitor could, then the ben could send it truly monstrous images)
2011-04-27 01:19 <rejon> wpwrak cool
2011-04-27 01:19 <rejon> slowfi
2011-04-27 01:23 <wpwrak> rejon: e.g., at the moment (bit-banging), i get about 50 Hz refresh for "single" mode and 30 Hz for "double" mode. those 30 Hz are where the monitor cuts off, either because it thinks the signal makes no sense or because we're at the limit of some internal counter/divider.
2011-04-27 01:24 <wpwrak> slovga/slowga :)
2011-04-27 01:31 <rejon> cool
2011-04-27 01:32 <rejon> slovga
2011-04-27 01:32 <rejon> hahaha
2011-04-27 01:33 <wpwrak> googling ... no porn star pics appear. good :)
2011-04-27 01:33 <kristianpaul> hmm, to much slow*, not !!
2011-04-27 01:44 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: yeah, better to make it faster than to figure out how to market something slow ;-)
2011-04-27 01:45 <kristianpaul> oh, yes i agree
2011-04-27 01:45 <kristianpaul> s/faster/usable/turnkey? :-)
2011-04-27 01:54 <kristianpaul> gustavo_: is your nanonote booting linux finally?
2011-04-27 01:55 <kristianpaul> I wonder if you got hardware usbboot to work..
2011-04-27 02:16 <rozzin> Well, I finally lost one of the little rubber feet on my NanoNote.
2011-04-27 02:21 <wpwrak> grmbl. this msc controller is a pain to trick into submission
2011-04-27 02:32 <gustavo_> kristianpaul, not
2011-04-27 02:34 <gustavo_> not for usbboot without the battery
2011-04-27 02:42 <wpwrak> *hmm* seems that the effect does indeed depend on chip-internal capacitance
2011-04-27 05:08 <dvdk> haha, found some mplayer options to tune:
2011-04-27 05:08 <dvdk> mplayer -novideo : > 20% CPU load
2011-04-27 05:08 <dvdk> mplayer -novideo -quiet : ca 10% CPU load
2011-04-27 05:08 <dvdk> :)
2011-04-27 05:09 <dvdk> mplayer console output taking 10% cpu load? maybe it's doing floating point math?
2011-04-27 05:09 <dvdk> now compiling with --enable-tremor-low to get audio decoding below 10% load
2011-04-27 05:16 <dvdk> ha, with --enable-tremor-low we're now at 7% cpu load
2011-04-27 05:17 <dvdk> nice, it now also properly plays back a 30 FPS ntsc video that it previously couldn't
2011-04-27 05:18 <wpwrak> dvdk: soon, you'll have HDTV with 3D ;-)
2011-04-27 05:19 <dvdk> wpwrak: we're still waiting for your bit-banged DVI port :)
2011-04-27 05:20 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: mplayer: upgrade to newer mplayer/ffmpeg upstream revisions, speedup tremor http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dd54338
2011-04-27 05:23 <wpwrak> dvdk: hmm, if we add a shift register and put the three channels together, we might be able to have monochrome DVI ;-)
2011-04-27 05:24 <dvdk> wpwrak: plus a high-speed clock to shift out the bits?  :)
2011-04-27 05:24 <wpwrak> dvdk: the MSC controller starts to come apart at 59 MHz, which is about half the speed DVI needs. i didn't look at the signals as 59 MHz. they're probably not very pretty ;-)
2011-04-27 05:24 <wpwrak> dvdk: yeah, some clock doubler or quadrupler :)
2011-04-27 05:25 <dvdk> wpwrak: why do we need that high clock anyways?  just make neighboring bits have the same value.  bit clock isn't transmitted anyways?
2011-04-27 05:26 <wpwrak> i thought in dvi it was ... checking ...
2011-04-27 05:26 <dvdk> wpwrak: ahh, ok mixing up dvi and hdmi
2011-04-27 05:26 <wpwrak> yup. clock is sent as well
2011-04-27 05:27 <wpwrak> hdmi should have it too, since it's based on dvi. checking ...
2011-04-27 05:27 <dvdk> wpwrak: well, then just wire up the sdio?  somehow need to fake the 8:10 encoding, though?
2011-04-27 05:27 <wpwrak> aye. they have it too
2011-04-27 05:27 <dvdk> :(
2011-04-27 05:28 <wpwrak> you could pre-compute the encoding
2011-04-27 05:28 <wpwrak> then just shift out the bit pattern
2011-04-27 05:28 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: nanonote-files: .mplayer/config: make mplayer -quiet by default (cpu load) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b4bc2ad
2011-04-27 05:29 <wpwrak> but let's do the vga first ...
2011-04-27 05:29 <dvdk> wpwrak: well, if you're only doing r,g,b in {0,1}, then yes, there's not much to precompute :)
2011-04-27 05:29 <dvdk> wpwrak: don't let yourself get districted by irc :)
2011-04-27 05:29 <dvdk> s/districted/distracted
2011-04-27 05:29 <wpwrak> famous last words ;-)
2011-04-27 05:46 <wpwrak> nice. pixel rise/fall time beyond the capabilities of my scope (it says something around 5 ns, but it only does 400 MSa/s)
2011-04-27 05:46 <dvdk> hmm, nanonote oudio interface cannot play back 48kHz sample rate!?
2011-04-27 05:46 <dvdk> s/oudio/audio
2011-04-27 05:50 <dvdk> Converting via -srate 44100 adds some 12% cpu load.  -af resample=44100:1:1 adds 1-2%
2011-04-27 05:55 <wpwrak> dvdk: tweak the clock ?
2011-04-27 06:12 <dvdk> wpwrak: or just play back  the audio+movie slower :)
2011-04-27 06:13 <dvdk> why does -ao oss eat 6% cpu load, but -ao alsa and -ao sdl eat 0% ??
2011-04-27 06:13 <wpwrak> dvdk: yeah. after a while, people will adapt ;-)
2011-04-27 06:15 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, tuxbrain is still alive but busy. finally got a "pong" from him.
2011-04-27 06:30 <wolfspraul> ah OK, well like last year then :-) not sure this is good or bad, let's just wait a little longer I guess. I'm always optimistic.
2011-04-27 06:31 <roh> :)
2011-04-27 06:34 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: we'll see - he promised to get back to me "late night today" :)
2011-04-27 06:34 <roh> expects the pessimistic stuff, and hopes for the outcome of a optimists view. makes one get positively surprised if stuff works ;)
2011-04-27 06:39 <dvdk> cool, with -ao alsa and increased audio buffer size, cpu load drops by another few percent, now NTSC material plays really well.
2011-04-27 06:40 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: mplayer: Make alsa work (use larger buffer), and use it instead of OSS This http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/030251f
2011-04-27 06:42 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: nanonote-files: .mplayer/config: use low-accuracy, fast sample rate conversion http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dcf2e93
2011-04-27 06:48 <wolfspraul> roh: ah hi. I had another idea for the dmx tx push button problem - we make the entire case 1-2mm higher (the side panels)
2011-04-27 06:48 <wolfspraul> it turns out that the retention spring connector has the following problems:
2011-04-27 06:49 <wolfspraul> 1) it is relatively rare compared to the push button version, so hard to get today, in the future, or for others that want to reuse the design. also it being discontinued is more likely than with the push button one.
2011-04-27 06:49 <wolfspraul> 2) it has a slightly different pcb footprint than the push button one
2011-04-27 06:49 <wolfspraul> 3) the mechanical stability of the retention spring is less than with the push button (I will compare the two myself later this week)
2011-04-27 06:50 <wolfspraul> I don't like making a big cut/notch into the top acrylic - that looks ugly. so maybe we just leave everything as-is.
2011-04-27 06:50 <wolfspraul> or... I was just thinking, we make the case 1-2mm higher.
2011-04-27 06:54 <wolfspraul> the height is 36mm right now
2011-04-27 06:55 <roh> is it the space between the button and the top or the thickness of the sheet?
2011-04-27 06:55 <wolfspraul> I'm seeing roughly 8mm below the DMX connectors, and 5mm above them
2011-04-27 06:55 <roh> thickness 'behind' the button i mean
2011-04-27 06:56 <wolfspraul> the push button is hard to reach because the massive round DMX cable is reaching in there
2011-04-27 06:56 <roh> ah.. at the top
2011-04-27 06:56 <wolfspraul> so your finger has to press between the DMX cable and the top acrylic, and push the button down there
2011-04-27 06:56 <wolfspraul> so we have 8mm below the DMX connectors, but only 5 above
2011-04-27 06:56 <wolfspraul> if the height would add say 2mm, maybe it's easier to press down the push button
2011-04-27 06:56 <wolfspraul> it probably is
2011-04-27 06:56 <roh> i see.. so giving it some 3mm there could already help
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> sure I think so
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> do you have a DMX cable there?
2011-04-27 06:57 <roh> 'centering' of the dmx socket
2011-04-27 06:57 <roh> nope.. but some xlr mike cable
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> if you have one, just plug into the TX connector and try to push the 'push' button
2011-04-27 06:57 <roh> in the end its a xlr 3pin right?
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> you will immediately see the problem
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> yes I think mic is male too, right?
2011-04-27 06:57 <roh> has both ends
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> you can try to connect it
2011-04-27 06:57 <roh> the cable i mean
2011-04-27 06:57 <wolfspraul> great, just try
2011-04-27 06:58 <roh> will do as soon as i got a table ;)
2011-04-27 06:58 <wolfspraul> actually I think you designed the height of the case after the 'push' button
2011-04-27 06:58 <wolfspraul> because it _barely_ fits
2011-04-27 06:58 <wolfspraul> the top side of the push button is basically touching the top acrylic
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> I don't think adding 2 or 3 mm will destroy the overall look of the case, but you never know
2011-04-27 06:59 <roh> i think thats more by accident
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> it certainly adds a lot more air inside, because nobody but the DMX connectors needs this much height
2011-04-27 06:59 <roh> i will see what that involves at the end. will check for availability of spacers
2011-04-27 06:59 <roh> the top spacers would need to be longer
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> ahh
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> good point
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> I forgot that
2011-04-27 06:59 <roh>  ;)
2011-04-27 06:59 <wolfspraul> and they are a nice 30mm right now
2011-04-27 06:59 <roh> exactly
2011-04-27 07:00 <wolfspraul> well I think cutting into the top acrylic above the push button is really ugly
2011-04-27 07:01 <wolfspraul> but who knows, maybe others think that's fine?
2011-04-27 07:02 <wolfspraul> maybe in the end we leave everything as-is :-)
2011-04-27 07:02 <wolfspraul> try with your xlr cable and let me know what you think...
2011-04-27 07:02 <wolfspraul> I will compare retention spring and push button connectors later this week
2011-04-27 07:03 <roh> sure. will take a few days till we are operational here anyhow
2011-04-27 07:03 <roh> just did a quick check.. 35mm seems the next common size for spacers
2011-04-27 07:04 <wolfspraul> too high I think
2011-04-27 07:04 <wolfspraul> let's scratch that idea
2011-04-27 07:04 <wpwrak> given a cable that carries signals "red", "green", and "blue", how would we color-code them ? obviously, red = orange, green = red, blue = medium brown.
2011-04-27 07:05 <wolfspraul> roh: how do you like a 'notch' in the top acrylic, design-wise?
2011-04-27 07:05 <wolfspraul> a curve-shaped cutout above the dmx tx push button...
2011-04-27 07:08 <roh> not that much. would look weird
2011-04-27 07:09 <wolfspraul> hmm. ok. what bugs me the most about the retention spring connector is that it clearly seems rarer than the push button one.
2011-04-27 07:09 <wolfspraul> from a copyleft perspective that's bad.
2011-04-27 07:10 <roh> sure. but in xlr and speakon there is no way to reasonable way beyond neutrik anyhow
2011-04-27 07:10 <wolfspraul> it's still from Neutrik so most likely it will be available for a long time, many years. but still. anyway I will compare the two in terms of mechanical stability first.
2011-04-27 07:10 <wolfspraul> I will compare the connectors, then I know whether I think the retention spring one is just crap mechanically. which I doubt it is.
2011-04-27 07:10 <wolfspraul> at that point we can use it, and done.
2011-04-27 07:10 <wolfspraul> or we leave everything as-is
2011-04-27 07:10 <roh> i used these connectors in many variants and clones before. and there is simply no reason besides trouble to buy from another vendor
2011-04-27 07:10 <wolfspraul> or we add a cutout into the top acrylic
2011-04-27 07:11 <wolfspraul> nobody is talking about another vendor
2011-04-27 07:11 <wolfspraul> neutrik has a retention spring version, without 'push' button
2011-04-27 07:11 <wolfspraul> we can switch to that
2011-04-27 07:11 <roh> just mentioning.. that we are bound to that vendor regardless which product
2011-04-27 07:11 <wolfspraul> that's one option
2011-04-27 07:11 <wolfspraul> yes but the retention spring seems to be rarer
2011-04-27 07:12 <wolfspraul> digikey, mouser, all have the push one in stock, the retention spring either 0 or very low quantities (like ca. 20)
2011-04-27 07:13 <roh> hm. yes. that trouble
2011-04-27 07:16 <wolfspraul> mouser - push button 6259, retention spring 24 (Adam just bought 2 and brought it from 26 to 24 :-))
2011-04-27 07:16 <wolfspraul> that kind of thing
2011-04-27 07:16 <wolfspraul> not good
2011-04-27 07:16 <wolfspraul> factory lead time 10 weeks
2011-04-27 07:18 <wolfspraul> we could rotate just the dx connector left 90 degrees, but that's also ugly, and we cannot roate the RX connector because the push button is on the cable there, needs to be on top to be reachable
2011-04-27 07:18 <wolfspraul> I meant "just the tx connector"
2011-04-27 07:19 <roh> heh. troubles of ME ;)
2011-04-27 07:19 <wolfspraul> farnell - push button 2459, retention spring 0
2011-04-27 07:22 <wolfspraul> maybe a cutout in the top acrylic is a good idea
2011-04-27 07:22 <wolfspraul> it's all about pros and cons
2011-04-27 07:22 <wolfspraul> think about it...
2011-04-27 07:29 <aw> wolfspraul, forgot to mention that being rarer to get retention spring. even later you get samples and feel that, I still don't think that we should change to retention spring one. :-)
2011-04-27 07:30 <aw> i just finished testing on  2A fuse / 2* Zeners. :-)
2011-04-27 07:30 <aw> I'll carefully read the results and send results to list though. :-)
2011-04-27 07:30 <wolfspraul> aw: let me first compare the 2 connectors mechanically
2011-04-27 07:31 <wolfspraul> but yes, it sounds like retention spring is not a good idea, for me primarily because it's rare, and we are really trying hard to build a reusable base for the future
2011-04-27 07:31 <wolfspraul> so that's a big thing for me
2011-04-27 07:32 <wolfspraul> then we are down so some other optios
2011-04-27 07:32 <aw> wolfspraul, hmm..
2011-04-27 07:32 <wolfspraul> 1) leave everything as-is
2011-04-27 07:32 <wolfspraul> 2) turn dmx tx 90 degree to the left, leave dmx rx as-is (sebastien says ugly)
2011-04-27 07:32 <wolfspraul> 3) cutout top acrylic above the push button (roh says ugly)
2011-04-27 07:32 <wolfspraul> we'll contemplate :-)
2011-04-27 07:33 <wolfspraul> let's not get stuck on this one, it's a small thing and if we cannot come up with an improvement, we simply leave everything as-is
2011-04-27 07:36 <wolfspraul> I cannot disconnect DMX TX with my thumb, but with my point finger I can. oh well.
2011-04-27 07:36 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-04-27 07:39 <wolfspraul> I don't think the DMX cables need to be connected and disconnected many times, say like something on USB, VGA, Ethernet, even video-in
2011-04-27 07:39 <aw> me either...hard to disconnect DMX TX cable. .
2011-04-27 07:40 <aw> yup...personal idea that should rarely plug in/out DMX cable. but well I am not the mature DJ, so I quite don't know how often they use them.
2011-04-27 07:55 <wolfspraul> roh: you could even make 2 such cutouts, just like half-moon shaped, above both the DMX TX as well as DMX RX connectors
2011-04-27 07:56 <wolfspraul> that would probably look better, and the DMX RX also has a push button, although it is on the cable so far better to reach than the one on the DMX TX connector
2011-04-27 07:57 <wolfspraul> maybe 2 cutouts would look funny though (=not good), don't know
2011-04-27 08:06 <roh> dunno. also it would thin the already small rim which holds the side panel
2011-04-27 08:08 <wolfspraul> true, above the DMX RX is the rim. oh well :-) like you say, welcome to ME...
2011-04-27 08:09 <wolfspraul> that was just for symmetry, it's not needed in order to release the DMX RX cable
2011-04-27 10:56 <kristianpaul> argg, spam back...
2011-04-27 15:29 <Fusin> hi 2 all
2011-04-27 15:38 <kristianpaul> hi
2011-04-27 15:38 <Fusin> ;)
2011-04-27 15:46 <Fusin> hmm, i found pages talking bout Ya Nanonote as 'successor' to Ben.
2011-04-27 15:47 <Fusin> Is it planned to stop producing Ben?
2011-04-27 15:48 <Fusin> btw.: just for the interest: how many ben's are sold?
2011-04-27 16:20 <kristianpaul> Fusin: more thatn 1100 units i remenber sold
2011-04-27 16:21 <kristianpaul> and yes it still been produced Fusin
2011-04-27 16:21 <kristianpaul> last 1000 units batch was early this year i remenber
2011-04-27 16:21 <Fusin> i hope it still will in 10 years
2011-04-27 16:21 <kristianpaul> and i think there is one more left, i think...
2011-04-27 16:22 <kristianpaul> well in 10 years we should have a milkymist portable computer at least :D
2011-04-27 16:22 <Fusin> remembers the development on good old c64. The older it was, the better the software ;)
2011-04-27 16:23 <kristianpaul> well i hope my ben will still working, for a long time also, and if some passive component reach the end of life i could easilly replace it :-)
2011-04-27 16:26 <Fusin> I see this Ben as a good base for a PIM/PDA with good possibilities for little games (like those old 8bit-games [boulder-dash/sokoban/tetris/elite/mercenars/etc.pp]
2011-04-27 16:26 <Fusin> also good as ogg-player ;)
2011-04-27 16:27 <Fusin> No need for more. Bigger would be a sub-netbook :D
2011-04-27 16:48 <Fusin> Laptop battery is empty, /me leaves ans waves to all 'Good night guys'
2011-04-27 16:56 <rjeffries> wpwrak fyi only. http://norduino.robomotic.com/category/norduino-hardware/
2011-04-27 16:58 <rjeffries> wolfspraul we have not had an update on Nanonote sales for quite a while. I realize you do not have data on sell-through by your distributors
2011-04-27 17:00 <rjeffries> but could you tell us how many Bens Sharism has shipped? As mentioned before, my gut feeling is that rate of sales is quite slow recently, based on no newbiews showing up on irc or mail list
2011-04-27 17:16 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (nordic) sounds proprietary. that norduino page is also amazingly non-specific about any technical details
2011-04-27 17:19 <rjeffries> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJKhmeUsyhA&NR=1
2011-04-27 17:20 <rjeffries> the radios are all proprietary including ATben/ATusb
2011-04-27 17:20 <rjeffries> I think the rest of his stuff is open a la Jee Labs
2011-04-27 17:20 <wpwrak> rjeffries: wrong. atben/atusb is IEEE 802.15.4-compliant
2011-04-27 17:20 <rjeffries> agree
2011-04-27 17:21 <wpwrak> rjeffries: the nordic stuff doesn't claim compatibility with anything
2011-04-27 17:24 <wpwrak> rjeffries: also, IEEE 802.15.4 defined various PHYs. the most likely to be able to talk to others is the 2450 MHz O-QPSK PHY. (IEEE 802.15.4, 2450 MHz is enough to identify it. there are other 2450 MHz PHYs, but defined in other documents, 803.25.4a and such)
2011-04-27 17:25 <wpwrak> err, 802.15.4a
2011-04-27 17:27 <rjeffries> I have asked them about what license they use and about the Nordic chip
2011-04-27 17:27 <rjeffries> I seem to remember in dim recesses that Nordic is doing their own thing
2011-04-27 17:28 <rjeffries> the beauty of the Nordic chip is very low power
2011-04-27 17:29 <rjeffries> wpwrak have you had any status at all from Tuxbrain re the fisrt manufacturing run? teh silence is deafening
2011-04-27 17:31 <rjeffries> wpwrak what has to happen (once you have eveerything working) to be able to easily install ATusb code on Ubuntu
2011-04-27 17:37 <rjeffries> wpwrak Nordic may use ANT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_(network)
2011-04-27 17:41 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (ant) sounds like a dead end, like so many "vendor standards" that perished when a proper standard came out
2011-04-27 17:43 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (tuxbrain) he says he's very busy. i should have some more news from him soonish, though. (btw, i did mention this on the channel. you should stay logged in / read the logs :)
2011-04-27 17:44 <wpwrak> (ubuntu) ubuntu will be hard, because of their freakish custom kernel. the path of least resistance would be via upstream. so expect a few months until it's there. (or figure out how to build a vanilla kernel that works on ubuntu)
2011-04-27 20:30 <rjeffries> wpwrak I am not promotingAnt protocol. I do wonder how well 6LoWpan will perform as in environment where a node only needs to connect once or twice an hour
2011-04-27 20:31 <rjeffries> wpwrak I do not understand what this statement means, sorry... "the path of least resistance would be via upstream..."
2011-04-27 20:33 <rjeffries> wpwrak putting Ubuntu aside, what distro are you working with for ATusb?
2011-04-27 20:55 <wpwrak> rjeffries: my workstation is running ubuntu. i haven't touched kernel support for atusb yet. (richard has written a skeleton driver, though. no idea what distro he uses.)
2011-04-27 20:58 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (low duty cycle) you may find this document useful: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases/?include_text=1
2011-04-27 21:00 <wpwrak> rjeffries: (path of least resistance) means that building a kernel that works is a bit messy with ubuntu (or at last it was the last time i tried)
2011-04-27 21:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga: avoid diodes; redesign for luminance bit (Y) and MMC controller http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/a794c4b
2011-04-27 21:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga: added driver based on the MMC controller (highly experimental) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/a759723
2011-04-27 21:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-vga2.c: code cleanup and some fine-tuning http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/9a455c5
2011-04-27 21:44 <Jay7> rejon: ping
2011-04-27 21:49 <Jay7> rejon: please provide some info about you to introduce.. I'm not very anknowledged with sharism people :)
2011-04-27 21:49 <rejon> ha
2011-04-27 21:49 <rejon> qi-hardware
2011-04-27 21:49 <rejon> sharism.cc same
2011-04-27 21:50 <Jay7> better to provide some template for me :)
2011-04-27 21:51 <rejon> ok sure
2011-04-27 21:51 <rejon> redirection nonstop
2011-04-27 21:52 <Jay7> i.e. who you are, what you doing, etc :)
2011-04-27 21:57 <Jay7> rejon: I'm going to bed now so I'll introduce you tomorrow then
2011-04-27 21:58 <Jay7> rejon: please send me some info about you by email :)
2011-04-27 21:58 <rejon> i will Jay7 chers
2011-04-27 21:58 <rejon> cheers
2011-04-27 21:58 <rejon> http://rejon.org/bio
2011-04-27 22:00 <Jay7> rejon: wow.. respectable bio :)
2011-04-27 22:01 <Jay7> well, I'll do right now then
2011-04-27 22:01 <Jay7> I'll use 4 sentence bio :)
2011-04-27 22:03 <rejon> thanks Jay7
2011-04-27 22:10 <Jay7> rejon: sent
2011-04-27 22:10 <Jay7> I hope I was right when said that you are one of people behind NanoNote :)
2011-04-27 22:12 <rejon> i try to help best i can
2011-04-27 22:12 <rejon> ;)