2011-04-07 00:05 no! 2011-04-07 00:56 dammit, i will not release my away state until get time to read away log.. 2011-04-07 01:12 tuxbrain: (usb scope) much better than the previous one. still, no comparison with the rigol. also not the very low sample rate. you usually want something like 5-10 times the analog bandwidth.  furthermore, no indication of the buffer size. the rigol has 500-1000 kSamples. that's pretty nice to have if you're hunting for problems in some serial protocol. 2011-04-07 01:18 tuxbrain: also .. how is the linux support ? :) 2011-04-07 03:01 he wolfspraul 2011-04-07 03:06 roh: hi! 2011-04-07 03:09 wolfspraul: how is it going? 2011-04-07 03:09 any news when you will need the next batch of cases? 2011-04-07 03:09 soon 2011-04-07 03:09 I will order 80, transparent light-blue 2011-04-07 03:10 because we will move the agency this month, and the sooner i know the better we can do that 2011-04-07 03:10 oh, nice. where do you move to? 2011-04-07 03:10 to wedding. more space. part of a former public bath 2011-04-07 03:26 I read a few things about this 'sugru' stuff - is this about some enclosure for ben-wpan? 2011-04-07 03:26 I want to have a nicely worded and illustrated news item about it in the next newsletter. 2011-04-07 03:26 wolfspraul: lets do some tests about feasibility first 2011-04-07 03:27 maybe it de-tunes the antenna and its all fnord 2011-04-07 03:29 ah OK, got it 2011-04-07 03:38 wolfspraul: if you know the silicone used for sealing sinks and such, it would be similar to that, only a bit tougher 2011-04-07 03:39 wolfspraul: testing would mean a) find out if it does anything nasty to the RF, and b) find out how much of it you actually need. let's hope one bag is enough, for it's not a cheap material. 2011-04-07 03:41 (of course, not being cheap also has an advantage - it means that you can get it in small portions. the regular silicone usually comes in quantities of 100 g or more, which would be enough to enclose the board plus the ben) 2011-04-07 04:09 zrafa: hi dude 2011-04-07 04:09 zrafa: sie +  fpga and linux is great i agree 2011-04-07 04:10 for your profesor indeed 2011-04-07 04:10 but yes, we lack some reallly nice features like small screen for example 2011-04-07 04:11 expensive indeed (mm1), at least for a university buy 2011-04-07 04:12 just.. well your profesor can learn how the milkymist soc works, and how customize it.. 2011-04-07 04:13 kristianpaul: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Case-video-in-element-hole-2.JPG 2011-04-07 04:13 :D 2011-04-07 04:13 or create custom cores and well.. thats important too 2011-04-07 04:13 kristianpaul: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Case-video-in-element-hole-1.JPG 2011-04-07 04:13 wow nice ! 2011-04-07 04:13 thats a really *proper* hole, know mine looks ugly :/ 2011-04-07 04:13 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Case-video-in-element-hole-6.JPG 2011-04-07 04:14 nice view ;-) 2011-04-07 04:16 kristianpaul: I made a bad decision. screw a big hole oh the top. so stupid (I was thinking it for memcard) 2011-04-07 04:17 hmm 2011-04-07 04:17 you may use it for gpio bus at somepoint 2011-04-07 04:21 oh. yes. then it's not so bad :) 2011-04-07 04:30 xiangfu, ths hole-6 is you drilled? 2011-04-07 04:31 aw_: yes. 2011-04-07 04:31 xiangfu, nice! since i have them but i didn't play them for a while. for selling not my toy. :-) 2011-04-07 04:32 xiangfu, have you tried latest m1 msd? 2011-04-07 04:32 aw_: not yet. 2011-04-07 04:33 xiangfu, hm..i'll try it this afternoon. i may need your helps then. :-o 2011-04-07 04:34 aw_: I also will try it afternoon. then we can do it together. 2011-04-07 04:34 xiangfu, tks. 2011-04-07 05:32 whitequark: nope, it won't build 2011-04-07 07:37 kyak: can you post the buildlog to pastebin? 2011-04-07 07:45 $ (./autogen.sh && ./configure --disable-firmware --with-readline && LC_MESSAGES=C make) 2>&1 | wgetpaste 2011-04-07 07:45 Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/529543/ 2011-04-07 07:45 whitequark: --^ 2011-04-07 09:10 xiangfu: can you check the build system? I think that kyak's error is caused by not adding include path of libusb-0.1 pkgconfig to the global includes 2011-04-07 09:10 I'm not sure how that should be integrated to autoconf 2011-04-07 09:13 whitequark: ok. I will look into it. I meet the same error here. 2011-04-07 09:29 kyak: what distro do you have? 2011-04-07 09:32 Mandriva 2010.2 2011-04-07 09:40 kyak: can you use your package manager (rpm, right?) to print a list of files in libusb-0.1 package? 2011-04-07 09:42 $ rpm -ql libusb-compat0.1-devel-0.1.3-3mdv2010.1 | wgetpaste 2011-04-07 09:42 Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/529571/ 2011-04-07 09:42 whitequark: i have libusb-1.0 devel installed as well 2011-04-07 09:44 hmm 2011-04-07 09:44 can you list that as well? 2011-04-07 09:45 ah no 2011-04-07 09:45 no need 2011-04-07 09:45 it fails in jzboot, which uses libusb-1.0 2011-04-07 09:45 that is the broken lib 2011-04-07 09:45 http://dpaste.com/529572/ 2011-04-07 09:46 ok 2011-04-07 09:46 yes, I've guessed correctly 2011-04-07 09:47 that's definitely missing pkgconfig support 2011-04-07 09:48 are you sure? /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libusb-1.0.pc 2011-04-07 09:59 kyak: not your system, but Makefile.am for jzboot 2011-04-07 10:02 ah 2011-04-07 10:15 [commit] Peter Zotov: Rename config.h to app_config.h, as old name conflicts with autoconf. http://qi-hw.com/p/jzboot/04ed523 2011-04-07 10:16 [commit] Peter Zotov: Use pkg-config to detect libusb-1.0. http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/fdbf94c 2011-04-07 10:17 hehe, so I've managed to tweak autoconf magic without xiangfu 2011-04-07 10:17 you can try to build it again 2011-04-07 10:31 roh: you there? did you see xiangfu's feedback about ST ANDBY, and missing labels for the buttons? 2011-04-07 10:34 whitequark: shell_builtins.c:145: error: cfg_environ undeclared (first use in this function) 2011-04-07 10:34 whitequark: but yeah, it goes futher this time :) 2011-04-07 12:24 kyak: you've forgot git submodule update 2011-04-07 12:25 it is the biggest drawback of submodules 2011-04-07 12:27 whitequark: all right, it build fine now! 2011-04-07 12:32 kyak: good. does it actually work with ben? 2011-04-07 12:33 whitequark: haven't tried it yet, perhaps when i'm at home 2011-04-07 12:33 will it work with the firmware already supplied by usbboot? 2011-04-07 12:42 kyak: yes, it was developed for that firmware 2011-04-07 12:43 all right then 2011-04-07 12:43 we will know in a few hours :) unless someone tries it before 2011-04-07 12:51 hi kristianpaul 2011-04-07 12:55 hi tuxbrain 2011-04-07 13:01 GNUtoo|nexusone2: hello 2011-04-07 13:02 kristianpaul, I built a pic programmer yesterday, not on a breadboard, the connection seem ok 2011-04-07 13:02 I saw that the pinguino project has a new website etc... 2011-04-07 13:03 but the IRC channel seem dead 2011-04-07 13:03 minute 2011-04-07 13:27 GNUtoo: pics... you seem to be masochistic 2011-04-07 13:28 lol 2011-04-07 13:28 I already bought one 2011-04-07 13:28 I know they are hard to program 2011-04-07 13:30 I wonder if they have at least half of an advantage over atmel uCs 2011-04-07 13:30 USB 2011-04-07 13:31 atusbs if you need fast one, and http://obdev.at if you are satisfied with slow, low-speed, but cheap software one 2011-04-07 13:32 particularly, http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html 2011-04-07 13:34 ok 2011-04-07 13:38 pics (at least pic8) are 12V-programmed, have at least 4 cycles per operation (no pipeline, and same peak frequences as on atmels), have INCREDIBLY crappy memory layout with banks, idiotic I/O port registers and incompetent peripherals 2011-04-07 13:38 http://www.yoctoproject.org/ 2011-04-07 13:40 awh not again 2011-04-07 13:40 their whole existence only satisfies perverted wishes of some evil god 2011-04-07 13:49 ok 2011-04-07 14:22 whitequark: and you havent't even mentioned their assembler yet :) 2011-04-07 14:23 whitequark: they do have a low-voltage programming mode, though 2011-04-07 15:02 hehe 2011-04-07 15:02 atmels are awesome 2011-04-07 15:14 wpwrak: I don't quite remember anything awful with their assembler itself (through I won't be surprised if it is); besides of that, their instruction set is something chip designer should be ashamed of 2011-04-07 15:19 whitequark: (asm) the branch instructions are negated. "skip the next instruction, if ...". this is extremely confusing. 2011-04-07 15:21 lol 2011-04-07 16:38 re 2011-04-07 17:28 whitequark: what is the correspondence between nerase in usbboot and jzboot? and nprog/nprogram/nprogram_oob? 2011-04-07 17:28 the number of agruments is different 2011-04-07 17:28 i don't want to get it wrong :) 2011-04-07 17:51 kyak: the first argument is NAND chip ID 2011-04-07 17:52 then goes first block ID and length 2011-04-07 17:52 block is eraseblock for nerase and page for nprogram