2011-04-06 02:32 <zrafa> kristianpaul: finally, after serveral days without internet at home I was able to read the logs for the tuxbrain[ answer
2011-04-06 02:33 <zrafa> so yes.. I read the log if I asked something :)
2011-04-06 02:35 <zrafa> kristianpaul: about sie vs milkymist.. I see that you love milkymist a lot and you have named it several times like better than sie. But I just want to know which is really a good toy for uni. And sie is for professor okey, better than nn (for the fpga and free gpios, without lcd, etc). And I like the idea to help. But I do not see milkymist like better than sie for the uni. It does not run Linux and it is expensive. The idea at uni is for linux embedded sy
2011-04-06 02:35 <zrafa> ?
2011-04-06 02:36 <zrafa> courseS
2011-04-06 02:40 <xiangfu> zrafa: milkymist can run Linux :)
2011-04-06 02:42 <zrafa> xiangfu: great! I did not know. which distribution is okey for it? .. is linux vanilla okey then?
2011-04-06 02:42 <zrafa> xiangfu: so it is just expensier now that linux is official on milkymist
2011-04-06 02:42 <xiangfu> zrafa: not linux vanilla.
2011-04-06 02:42 <zrafa> xiangfu: some distribution linux kernel?
2011-04-06 02:44 <xiangfu> zrafa: https://github.com/tmatsuya/linux-2.6
2011-04-06 02:45 <xiangfu> zrafa: I nenver try linux on m1. when I have time. will try run linux on m1.
2011-04-06 02:45 <xiangfu> zrafa: fyi: git://github.com/psycho-nico/milkymist-openwrt.git
2011-04-06 02:47 <zrafa> xiangfu: nice.. thanks for the links!.. I am saving them.. no good internet these days
2011-04-06 02:52 <panda|x201> xiangfu, ping!
2011-04-06 02:52 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, ping
2011-04-06 02:52 <xiangfu> panda|x201: pong
2011-04-06 02:54 <whitequa1k> xiangfu: have you tried jzboot with ben?
2011-04-06 02:54 <xiangfu> whitequa1k: not yet
2011-04-06 02:56 <whitequark> xiangfu: btw, what's your timezone?
2011-04-06 02:57 <panda|x201> whitequark, his timezone is UTC+8
2011-04-06 06:32 <Jay7> have another HW idea
2011-04-06 06:33 <Jay7> pci-e board which looks like ethernet card from computer side
2011-04-06 06:34 <Jay7> but this is real computer itself :)
2011-04-06 06:34 <Jay7> with ethernet and some usb on rear side
2011-04-06 06:34 <Jay7> i.e. router-on-an-pci-e-card :)
2011-04-06 06:37 <rjeffries> this is a clever and cheap ($6 uSD) little radio 2.4 Ghz subsystem
2011-04-06 06:39 <kyak> Jay7: what is the use case? :)
2011-04-06 06:39 <Jay7> kyak: router :)
2011-04-06 06:39 <kyak> for router, you buy a router. A big noisy PC with a router inside is not a router :)
2011-04-06 06:40 <Jay7> I have always running bit noisy PC and always running router :)
2011-04-06 06:40 <kyak> btw, how is it different from pci-e ethernet card?
2011-04-06 06:40 <Jay7> well, not very noisy but
2011-04-06 06:41 <Jay7> kyak: much more cables around :)
2011-04-06 06:42 <kyak> yo ustill have usb on the rear side
2011-04-06 06:43 <kyak> anyway, it's a strange idea, but somehow appealing.. A single board PC liviing inside the other PC :)
2011-04-06 06:43 <Jay7> at other side.. I need just pass ethernet card to virtual machine which will act as router..
2011-04-06 06:45 <Jay7> kyak: idea isn't new. there was sun-pci :)
2011-04-06 06:45 <Jay7> x86 computer on pci board for sun HW
2011-04-06 06:46 <kyak> ha! they can't live without x86, can they? :)
2011-04-06 06:56 <Jay7> someone even have installed windows xp on that board :)
2011-04-06 06:57 <kyak> that were dark times, when computers were not capable of running virtual machines without significant loss of performance :)
2011-04-06 07:01 <Jay7> yeah :)
2011-04-06 07:45 <Jay7> is looking at Aewan
2011-04-06 07:45 <Jay7> seems it should be easy to create recipe
2011-04-06 07:47 <kyak> looking at openwrt port, very easy - doesn't even need patches :)
2011-04-06 07:48 <Jay7> trying :)
2011-04-06 07:50 <Jay7> is looking for something similar from deps side to just copy recipe from
2011-04-06 07:52 <kyak> is it really not ported yet?
2011-04-06 07:52 <kyak> (i'm asking same question about w3m port - which is not in OE)
2011-04-06 07:52 <Jay7> I haven't find OE recipe for aewan
2011-04-06 07:55 <Jay7> well, trying to build :)
2011-04-06 07:59 <Jay7> I'll push it to OE on success
2011-04-06 07:59 <Jay7> so jlime people may create package for Jane :)
2011-04-06 07:59 <whitequark> Jay7: there are some FPGAs, on the high-end side, which are done exactly that way
2011-04-06 07:59 <whitequark> some Virtex's IIRC
2011-04-06 08:00 <kyak> ah, crafty plans to entice Jane to Jlime!
2011-04-06 08:00 <whitequark> you can make a router inside easily. just add a MIPS IP core and some Gigabit Ethernet ones :)
2011-04-06 08:09 <Jay7> kyak: hehe ;)
2011-04-06 08:09 <Jay7> whitequark: 'just add' it's not about me ;)
2011-04-06 08:09 <Jay7> is not HW guy at all :)
2011-04-06 08:10 <Jay7> I can solder cable or something simple by ready scheme but can't develop HW :)
2011-04-06 08:10 <Jay7> B_Lizzard: I have recipe for aewan
2011-04-06 08:11 <B_Lizzard> uh huh
2011-04-06 08:12 <Jay7> well.. it's even built ok for armv7
2011-04-06 08:12 <Jay7> someone should test it on target though
2011-04-06 08:13 <Jay7> B_Lizzard: http://pastebin.com/faMB9egb
2011-04-06 08:13 <Jay7> can you build it and place to feed for Jane? :)
2011-04-06 08:14 <B_Lizzard> Sute
2011-04-06 08:14 <B_Lizzard> usahfpodshfadsofidsf
2011-04-06 08:14 <B_Lizzard> Sure
2011-04-06 08:15 <B_Lizzard> That will be 10$
2011-04-06 08:15 <Jay7> send your invoice to Jane ;)
2011-04-06 08:15 <B_Lizzard> OK D:
2011-04-06 08:16 <B_Lizzard> what aewan version?
2011-04-06 08:16 <B_Lizzard> aewan-????.bb
2011-04-06 08:17 <Jay7> mom
2011-04-06 08:17 <Jay7> aewan_1.0.01.bb
2011-04-06 08:57 <xiangfu> found one link: http://www.debwrt.net/
2011-04-06 08:57 <xiangfu> not look into detail. just one URL.
2011-04-06 12:02 <whitequark> can anyone check jzboot with ben?
2011-04-06 12:19 <kyak> whitequark: is there a manual/config for that?
2011-04-06 13:10 <whitequark> kyak: just build xburst-tools, plug ben in usb-boot mode and launch ./jzboot -i 0
2011-04-06 13:10 <whitequark> ah yes, also -d4
2011-04-06 13:10 <whitequark> it will spit out some debug info then
2011-04-06 13:15 <kyak> ah, so it's merged into xburst-tools, right?
2011-04-06 13:16 <kyak> just -i 0? how would i supply images names? Addresses?
2011-04-06 13:29 <whitequark> kyak: it'll go to interactive shell mode then
2011-04-06 13:30 <whitequark> jzboot has entirely different concept than xbboot/uxbboot
2011-04-06 13:30 <whitequark> it's much closer to uboot
2011-04-06 13:31 <whitequark> the flashing itself is done via scripts, or you may provide instructions on commandline (think of 'bash -c')
2011-04-06 13:34 <kyak> 5@D5MK HML DK;HB?1 @IF 5I 04DK@, )
2011-04-06 13:34 <kyak> damn.
2011-04-06 13:34 <kyak> that's what i'm asking, how to flash?
2011-04-06 13:34 <kyak> is there some help/manual/whatsoever?
2011-04-06 13:35 <kyak> so i go to interactive mode, then what? :)
2011-04-06 13:35 <whitequark> try typing 'help' :)
2011-04-06 13:35 <whitequark> also you may take a look at subdirs config/ and script/
2011-04-06 13:36 <kyak> ok, i'll have a look when i'm back home
2011-04-06 13:36 <whitequark> e.g. my board is flashed by running config/boot.cfg and then script/flash_xz0032_linux.scr
2011-04-06 13:36 <whitequark> the important part now is (for me) to get the debug output for ben
2011-04-06 13:37 <whitequark> it's unlikely, while possible, that everything will work as-is
2011-04-06 13:37 <whitequark> and sadly I don't have ben to test
2011-04-06 13:37 <kyak> ok, it will burn me ben :)
2011-04-06 13:38 <whitequark> yeah, that's my evil plan
2011-04-06 13:38 <kyak> i have a backup ben coming in anyway :)
2011-04-06 13:38 <kyak> i hope it's coming..
2011-04-06 13:38 <whitequark> then you have a chance to observe two different explosions
2011-04-06 13:39 <whitequark> maybe the second one will have green flame or such
2011-04-06 13:40 <kyak> i only wish it wouldn't explode at customs house :)
2011-04-06 13:41 <whitequark> actually that may be very good. $100 per customs house isn't a lot if we won't see them in future
2011-04-06 13:42 <kyak> ha-ha, nicely said
2011-04-06 13:43 <kyak> (it's not logged this way ;)
2011-04-06 14:55 <kyak> whitequark: xburst-tools/jzboot is just an empty directory
2011-04-06 14:55 <kyak> are you sure it's already merged into xburst-tools?
2011-04-06 14:56 <xiangfu> kyak: it's a 'submodules' in git. try 'cd jzboot && git pull' it's just like a independence git , (which is submodules of xburst-tools git)
2011-04-06 14:56 <xiangfu> kyak: learn from whitequark  :)
2011-04-06 14:57 <kyak> ah!
2011-04-06 14:57 <kyak> cool :)
2011-04-06 14:58 <kyak> nope
2011-04-06 14:58 <kyak> still nothing
2011-04-06 14:58 <kyak> i have a feelign i have to add a remote
2011-04-06 14:58 <xiangfu> git modules update
2011-04-06 14:58 <xiangfu> git submodules update
2011-04-06 14:59 <kyak> ok
2011-04-06 14:59 <kyak> still nothing :)
2011-04-06 15:08 <xiangfu_> ping
2011-04-06 15:08 <xiangfu_> kyak: git submodule init && git submodule update
2011-04-06 15:09 <xiangfu_> kyak: after that. you can "cd jzboot && git checkout master" then it's just like a normal git
2011-04-06 15:10 <kyak> ok
2011-04-06 15:10 <kyak> it is working now
2011-04-06 15:11 <kyak> should i build from the top level dir or from within jzboot?
2011-04-06 15:11 <xiangfu_> top level.
2011-04-06 15:11 <xiangfu_> whitequark: have finished connect jzboot to xburst-tools make system.
2011-04-06 15:12 <kyak> xiangfu_: do i need to do something special?
2011-04-06 15:13 <kyak> it won't build jzboot
2011-04-06 15:13 <kyak> should i re-configure?
2011-04-06 15:15 <xiangfu_> kyak: just "./autogen.sh && configure...."
2011-04-06 15:18 <xiangfu_> kyak: ./autogen.sh  && ./configure  --disable-firmware --with-readline && make
2011-04-06 15:18 <xiangfu_> then you can got the 'jzboot' under 'jzboot/src/'
2011-04-06 15:18 <kyak> yeah, already on it
2011-04-06 15:20 <kyak> it didn't detect my libusb1.0-devel
2011-04-06 15:20 <kyak> complains for missing libusb.h
2011-04-06 15:21 <xiangfu_> hmm...
2011-04-06 15:21 <xiangfu_> do you got those:
2011-04-06 15:21 <xiangfu_> checking for main in -lusb... yes
2011-04-06 15:21 <xiangfu_> checking for main in -lusb-1.0... yes
2011-04-06 15:21 <xiangfu_> checking for main in -lreadline... yes
2011-04-06 15:22 <xiangfu_> the libusb. have 0.1 version adn 1.0 verison. usbboot and xbboot --> 0.1 , jzboot --> 1.0
2011-04-06 15:22 <xiangfu_> it's under "ls /usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h" in my system
2011-04-06 15:23 <xiangfu_> kyak: I have to sleep. will check the irc log. :)  good night.
2011-04-06 15:26 <kyak> checking for main in -lusb... yes
2011-04-06 15:26 <kyak> checking for main in -lusb-1.0... yes
2011-04-06 15:26 <kyak> checking for main in -lreadline... yes
2011-04-06 15:26 <kyak> i have both libusb1.0-devel and libusb-compat0.1-devel
2011-04-06 18:28 <whitequark> kyak: grhm. I was sleeping. Does it build for you now?
2011-04-06 20:12 <whitequark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1qsGvRjG2Y
2011-04-06 20:12 <whitequark> awesome
2011-04-06 21:03 <GNUtoo> hi kristianpaul
2011-04-06 21:52 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: victor has pick up the atben and atusb to make cool hi res pics on the prototypes , he has better equipment and skills to do so, I will have access to this Osciloscope http://www.syscompdesign.com/CGR101.html
2011-04-06 21:52 <tuxbrain> is enough
2011-04-06 21:58 <tuxbrain> ?
2011-04-06 22:20 <roh> tuxbrain: for what?
2011-04-06 22:20 <tuxbrain> roh, to debug the reset USB problem on atusb
2011-04-06 22:22 <roh> ah
2011-04-06 22:22 <roh> thats only on flashing, right?
2011-04-06 22:31 <tuxbrain> one unit gives problems on connect to pc, entering on an endles connect disconnect loop or something... don't know, I'm still pending on reflashing it with lastest firmware and see if it behaves the same way, but in case that yes, werner askme to plug it to an osciloscope to see what happens, and I ask it the specifications of this one http://www.syscompdesign.com/CGR101.html are enough to that task or not. roh the real thing is I have no Idea on whe
2011-04-06 22:31 <tuxbrain> re to connect what and what to lock at but well I hope in the guiadance of master, I will be their hands and his eyes, he will have to guide them.
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> its a 20mhz dso
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> could be fast enough
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> eh.. nah.., its 2mhz
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> 20msamples
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> could be. dunno.
2011-04-06 22:37 <roh> not sure
2011-04-06 22:50 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (scope) yeah, ought to do .. barely :)
2011-04-06 22:51 <wpwrak> wow .. USD 189 ! that's awfully expensive
2011-04-06 22:54 <wpwrak> a rigol DS1052E would have a "street" price of USD 399. and that's a real scope, going up to 50 MHz (1 GSa/s), and with up to 1 MS memory.
2011-04-06 22:55 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: so yes, if you have one lying around, why not. but if you're thinking of buying it, better get something decent
2011-04-06 22:56 <tuxbrain> yes I already have it (well victor have it)
2011-04-06 22:58 <wpwrak> alright. it'll be sufficient for this task. it's even 25% better than the absolute theoretical minimum that can show the clock ;-)
2011-04-06 23:03 <tuxbrain> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/rigol-ds1052e-5-6-tft-lcd-50mhz-2-channel-digital-color-storage-oscilloscope-30573 mmm tempting
2011-04-06 23:03 <wpwrak> wonder if the designers of that 2 MHz scope confused 2011 with 1911, and thought they're a few years ahead of the curve ;-)
2011-04-06 23:07 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: the rigols are good devices. not perfect but good value.
2011-04-06 23:08 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (i have one .. well, the DS1102CD)
2011-04-06 23:15 <methril_> tuxbrain, i use the dual channel model everyday
2011-04-06 23:15 <methril_> has a bad gtrigger, but it allows to woakas
2011-04-06 23:16 <methril_> s/ woakas /work
2011-04-06 23:16 <wpwrak> methril_: the rigol or the syscomp ?
2011-04-06 23:16 <methril_> the rigol, at work
2011-04-06 23:18 <wpwrak> methril_: good :) yeah, the trigger is a bit weak. sometimes, you don't even see what it triggered on. so it takes some getting used to.
2011-04-06 23:18 <methril_> wpwrak, yes, it's my daily pain ;)
2011-04-06 23:19 <methril_> we don't have any debugger, because i motivated to use OpenSource tools, so we only have PINs & the USART (i make it working)
2011-04-06 23:20 <wpwrak> methril_: very good ! :-)
2011-04-06 23:37 <tuxbrain> maybe this one http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dso-2090-pc-based-40mhz-2-channel-usb-digital-storage-oscilloscope-37062 with this software http://hantekdso.sourceforge.net/
2011-04-06 23:59 <tuxbrain> I'm online?
2011-04-06 23:59 <tuxbrain> yes it seems so