2011-04-04 01:54 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/: new libatrf function atrf_slp_tr to control SLP_TR (for now only atben) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/fe2720e 2011-04-04 01:54 [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-xtal: new utility to measure the crystal frequency http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/28e7f25 2011-04-04 02:26 ah, i see heavy wpan advertizing in this news issue ;-) 2011-04-04 02:29 wpwrak: I'm working on the last section now, phew 2011-04-04 02:29 there is still Jane's kitchen adventure 2011-04-04 02:29 we got: avr, ubb, ben-wpan 2011-04-04 02:30 what about this 'initial 802.15.4 communication' 2011-04-04 02:30 is there a good mail on the list to link to? 2011-04-04 02:31 there's one ... looking it up ... 2011-04-04 02:32 http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-March/007639.html 2011-04-04 02:33 it was actually quite a busy month even if it didn't feel like much :) 2011-04-04 02:33 perfect, thanks 2011-04-04 02:33 yes. I feel like the editor of a small tech magazine. 2011-04-04 02:33 *grin* 2011-04-04 02:34 (ben-wpan production) not sure if tuxbrain already started the process with the SMT fab. he did with the PCB fab. 2011-04-04 02:36 a picture with some of the boards i sent out ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/2boards-20110305.jpg 2011-04-04 02:37 it's not 100% truthful, because only one set of them went out. the other is mine. and the other three sets were already on their way. but it's a good approximation :) 2011-04-04 02:37 the same image, for the high-res junkies: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/2boards-20110305-full.jpg 2011-04-04 02:48 fighting the great chinese firewall ? :) 2011-04-04 02:49 oh it's crazy 2011-04-04 02:49 there is a massive crackdown going on 2011-04-04 02:50 today I will write my own evacuation list, an inventory of things like A) hand-luggage B) send by parcel C) abandon 2011-04-04 02:50 wow. what's happening ? 2011-04-04 02:50 gotta speed up my work here :-) 2011-04-04 02:50 oh already for weeks 2011-04-04 02:51 they take out lawyers, detain, torture, home confinement (total lockdown), etc. etc. 2011-04-04 02:51 I actually just disabled my vpn, what the heck 2011-04-04 02:52 lovely. do they have any special motivation/objective ? or is it just spring cleaning ? 2011-04-04 02:52 the arab thing 2011-04-04 02:52 police everywhere 2011-04-04 02:52 aah ! 2011-04-04 02:53 http://www.care2.com/causes/human-rights/blog/china-detains-artist-ai-wei-wei/ 2011-04-04 02:54 I am actually prepared that they will completely shut down all VPN, even all ssh/ssl 2011-04-04 02:54 they just need to press a button, that's for sure 2011-04-04 02:54 if that happens I have to leave 2011-04-04 02:55 23 people detained doesn't sound too bad. but i guess with a lot of collateral damage ... 2011-04-04 02:56 there are hundreds more 2011-04-04 02:57 plus there are many 'disappearances' 2011-04-04 02:57 anyway. I need my vpn, ssh/ssl. 2011-04-04 02:57 and I will start a proper inventorization :-) 2011-04-04 02:58 (disappearances) oh nice. the return of the death squads ? 2011-04-04 02:58 nah, it's a very fine tuned system 2011-04-04 02:58 they seal you away 2011-04-04 02:58 cut all communication 2011-04-04 02:58 sometimes 100 people assigned to make you disappear 2011-04-04 02:59 of course the screws can also be tightened 2011-04-04 02:59 interesting system 2011-04-04 03:00 I cannot access this link right now, but I think it was a pretty good text on how the system works, as seen from a target :-) 2011-04-04 03:00 http://www.hrichina.org/public/contents/press?revision_id=191948&item_id=191947 2011-04-04 03:01 communication (the ability to communicate or not) is very much at the center of this actually 2011-04-04 03:01 link works here 2011-04-04 03:01 long text, Wernerian :-) 2011-04-04 03:02 they will definitely loose control at some point, if the ability to lock down communication is what they need to stay in power, they will have a problem 2011-04-04 03:02 yeah, i was starting to look for the summary ;-) 2011-04-04 03:02 I think the phones, networks, microblogs etc. will pop up everywhere 2011-04-04 03:02 not sure who can keep up more/faster 2011-04-04 03:02 the system or the individual :-) 2011-04-04 03:03 my bet is on the individual, of course 2011-04-04 03:03 cutting communication inside a country ought to be difficult 2011-04-04 03:03 oh 2011-04-04 03:03 maybe you should live in China for a while :-) 2011-04-04 03:04 just read that article, if you have a few minutes 2011-04-04 03:05 last year they supposedly spent ca. 90 billion USD on 'harmonious society' which is the umbrella for all these shutdown/lockdown activities 2011-04-04 03:05 man we should pump that into copyleft hardware 2011-04-04 03:05 that's almost 250 million USD / day 2011-04-04 03:06 they should invest it in better education system so the culture can survive even with free speech, which it cannot today 2011-04-04 03:18 sounds strangely civilized so far. i've read considerably worse stories from germany about confiscated equipment ... 2011-04-04 03:19 yes! 2011-04-04 03:19 that's the point 2011-04-04 03:19 it's extremely subtle 2011-04-04 03:19 but make no mistake, they are increasing the screws all the way to the most brutally imaginable torture and killing, if need be 2011-04-04 03:37 wpwrak: what do you think? in the future - will the government be able to control your communication, or not? 2011-04-04 03:37 I somehow cannot see how they will be able to fully control it. There are too many people, and the ways to communicate constantly increase. 2011-04-04 03:38 of course they can aggressively use the same technology for themselves, which is what China is doing. But somehow I think the favor is still on the side of the user, if only because there are so many of them, and they have so many ideas, each one individually, how to circumvent whatever roadblocks. 2011-04-04 03:38 when computers are hunting people, people will win, I think 2011-04-04 03:39 computers are just too stupid in the end :-) 2011-04-04 03:40 if i pissed off any government sufficiently, i would assume that they'd just find a reason to arrest me. much easier than subtly constraining all communications 2011-04-04 03:41 if communication is your crime, they need to build prisons for the entire population 2011-04-04 03:42 i guess it's all in the numbers. as long as the number of "enemies of the state" is small, you can just pick them out and neutralize them. 2011-04-04 03:43 yes 2011-04-04 03:43 if everybody is kinda subversive, then there's a problem ... 2011-04-04 03:55 (article) nice and subtle. i wonder how they treat younger dissidents. 2011-04-04 03:59 wolfspraul: regarding Makefile.kicad, there'll be a larger announcement once i've documented it a bit (with a drawing). not sure if you want to have a teaser now and the real thing later, or wait for the diagram. 2011-04-04 03:59 it's written now, I just leave it there 2011-04-04 04:00 I have no doubts about the power of our news, we need to do more to spread the word 2011-04-04 04:00 hehe ;-) 2011-04-04 04:00 high quality by itself will still not go many places 2011-04-04 04:00 I just added Jane's ascii comi 2011-04-04 04:00 comic 2011-04-04 04:00 I think I'm done now 2011-04-04 04:00 what do you think? 2011-04-04 04:00 yes. the world still largely ignores us 2011-04-04 04:00 lemme check ... 2011-04-04 04:01 ah, you missed a few messages 2011-04-04 04:01 | (ben-wpan production) not sure if tuxbrain already started the process with the SMT fab. he did with the PCB fab. 2011-04-04 04:01 | a picture with some of the boards i sent out ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/2boards-20110305.jpg 2011-04-04 04:01 | it's not 100% truthful, because only one set of them went out. the other is mine. and the other three sets were already on their way. but it's a good approximation :) 2011-04-04 04:01 | the same image, for the high-res junkies: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/2boards-20110305-full.jpg 2011-04-04 04:03 (end) 2011-04-04 04:11 wpwrak: very nice, thank you. I added the picture. 2011-04-04 04:11 wolfspraul: maybe reorder the ben-wpan entries such that one related to production is above the PCB images. e.g., first the prototypes, the first communication, tuxbrain taking the lead, and finally Makefile.kicad (which is what produced the images) 2011-04-04 04:12 lots of love this month ;-) 2011-04-04 04:12 too much? let me count 2011-04-04 04:13 3 times, wow 2011-04-04 04:14 I removed one 2011-04-04 04:14 they just 'meet' now 2011-04-04 04:14 reordered 2011-04-04 04:14 what do you think now? 2011-04-04 04:14 yes, it's good now 2011-04-04 04:14 cool! 2011-04-04 04:15 "Tuxbrain will lead ben-wpan production and has started the process with the SMT fab." -> PCB fab ? 2011-04-04 04:15 changed 2011-04-04 04:15 I will let this sink another hour or two, then push it out 2011-04-04 04:16 the attic is a bit odd. it seems to suggest that the project has changed location, but nothing of that nature is indicated. 2011-04-04 04:17 (captions) the ben+atduino was actually the one with the most love ... :) 2011-04-04 04:17 well, i guess people will recognize the cable's shape also without explaining ... 2011-04-04 04:18 yes 2011-04-04 04:18 the attic is first of all a concept 2011-04-04 04:18 I don't like to write a lot of bla bla, so I was happy when I read this at Apache 2011-04-04 04:19 over time we may make it more clear what is in the attic and what not 2011-04-04 04:19 but it's about the definition, for now 2011-04-04 04:19 http://attic.apache.org/ 2011-04-04 04:19 I did not find a link to go with the line that says that Tuxbrain will lead ben-wpan production. 2011-04-04 04:20 if you find something let me know, I'm offline for a bit 2011-04-04 04:20 lemme see ... 2011-04-04 05:00 tuxbrain: do you remember having posted any kind of formal announcement anywhere that you'll make the wpan boards ? wolfgang is looking for a link for the monthly news 2011-04-04 05:00 tuxbrain: all i found was http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2011-03-30.log.html#t14:37 2011-04-04 06:26 wpwrak: just posted http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/we-will-put-wireless-nanonote 2011-04-04 07:29 ( when computers are hunting people, people will win, I think --  computers are just too stupid in the end) I hate it but alas I have to strictly disagree here. While particular individuals are maybe hard to 100% survey, the 99.9% factor is discouragingly effective here. And people in general are becoming more and more idiotic, ignorant, and even take fun in doing their own fulltime surveillance publicly for free 2011-04-04 07:34 somebody minted a nice saying yesterday in TV: all those smartphones PDA etc are all creating ever better databases profiling the user everywhere, and all those databases are at commercial companies and not at some Orwellian totalitarian gvmnt. We won't see big brother, long term we got the problem of the 1000 sisters 2011-04-04 07:40 e.g. seems Nokia would sponsor me to go to SanFran zo the meego-conference. Alas I can't do that as they require me to have and use a AmEx or similar credit card to order the tickets and they'd refund later. I refuse to get any credit card, out of general concerns against 2011-04-04 07:42 in that TV report they oracled that til 2017 smartphones will mnitor all your health relevant data, and you will get problems in several regards if you don't join in on the hype to do that (no health ensurance for you, sorry. No job. No drivers licence... you name it) 2011-04-04 08:23 DocScrutinizer: you missed 2012 year which should cleanup such locks :) 2011-04-04 10:49 finally, the 04/04 news are out 2011-04-04 10:49 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-04-04 2011-04-04 10:49 thanks everybody for helping, and for making it possible in the first place :-) 2011-04-04 11:04 tuxbrain: the commands for programming the AVR breakout are scary :p 2011-04-04 12:10 wolfspraul: (news) yay, and nice they are once more. congratulations ! 2011-04-04 12:13 tuxbrain: btw, i wouldn't count on zigbee. seems that zigbee's importance is fading. e.g., most of the zigbee stack is getting replaced by 6lowpan. besides, they still have licensing terms on their standard that are incompatible with Free software. 2011-04-04 13:30 http://www.avolites.com/jokes/programmers.htm  :) 2011-04-04 13:30 1. "It works on my machine..". 2011-04-04 13:34 so true 2011-04-04 13:34 " 2011-04-04 13:34 "16. It must be a hardware problem." :) 2011-04-04 13:35 i like this joke: 2011-04-04 13:35 Q: How many programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, it's a hardware problem, man! 2011-04-04 13:50 kyak: that's the bad think about projects like qi-hardware where the two are combined - you can't just blame the other side anymore 2011-04-04 14:10 not? 2011-04-04 14:10 larsc: well, we can always just blame lars ;-) 2011-04-04 14:10 ... 2011-04-04 14:10 lol 2011-04-04 14:11 kyak: not hw guy  problem  anymore, you are at qi ;-) 2011-04-04 14:16 yeah, QtMobility polling a proximity sensor sysfs node @ 100Hz. The sensor itself has a max freq of 2.5Hz - plus I thought there's a concept called kevents for that 2011-04-04 14:16 is not hardware or sofware, is the kerneL }:P 2011-04-04 14:16 then everybody starts shouting at EE about power hungry hw 2011-04-04 14:23 senserfw (in meego) exactly same - this time for LIS302 accelerometer. Ignorant fools 2011-04-04 14:23 that's what you get when script kiddies and math profs decide to develop system software 2011-04-04 14:23 http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/plugins/sensors/n900/n900proximitysensor.cpp#line54 2011-04-04 14:23 dunno if that's annoying or just terribly sad 2011-04-04 14:24 "From Buenos Aires with love." sweet 2011-04-04 18:30 DocScrutinizer: 100 Hz for a 1.5 Hz sensor ? this rocks ! 66x Oversampling !! ;-) 2011-04-04 18:32 better be on the safe side when you want to avoid aliasingeffects ;) 2011-04-04 19:03 yeah. For the lis302 it's way more complex to evaluate. Device orientation isn't even changing at such high rates as 2Hz, still you might want to poll at 400Hz (which I think is what they do, or was it 200?) 2011-04-04 19:03 in sensorfw of meego 2011-04-04 19:13 DocScrutinizer: i think you can get much more than 2 Hz in games. also, consider click-like movements 2011-04-04 19:13 yeah, I always wondered what this strange registers like click-threshold and doubleclick-timeout in lis302 are for, to be found somewhere next to IRQ generation § in ds 2011-04-04 19:13 and probably not even the designers of this chip had any idea WTF you need a highpass for in a g-meter 2011-04-04 19:13 DocScrutinizer: maybe they're thinking of making a mouse. you hit it or tilt it (or part of it) onto an obstacle (table or such) to click 2011-04-04 19:13 just added that thing as it sounds good 2011-04-04 19:13 high-pass sounds interesting :) 2011-04-04 19:13 oooh, didn't think it's needed. So here they are: 2011-04-04 19:14 high pass is in fact a DC rejection aka differentiator/'edge-detector' 2011-04-04 19:18 DocScrutinizer: a gravity compensator ? 2011-04-04 19:18 hehe 2011-04-04 19:19 basically yes, alas only in the abstract domain 2011-04-04 19:21 DocScrutinizer: gravity compensator sounds a bit sensational ... but marketing should at least have made this an Ultra-High-Pass Filter 2011-04-04 19:21 mirko: Thanks !, great post  (rfm12b)