2011-04-02 01:06 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: phew. 1st of april news ... shouldn't they really be something like 3rd of april news ? with the 1st being poisoned by april fools jokes and the 2nd still toxic with the ones that came a bit too late, all too easy in the modern globalized world.
2011-04-02 01:21 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: that was exactly my thinking last night when I was frustrated that I had to do the whole cleanup work again :-)
2011-04-02 01:21 <wolfspraul> so yes, let them be april 4 news (Monday)
2011-04-02 01:21 <wolfspraul> i'll work on it today a bit...
2011-04-02 01:23 <wpwrak> excellent ! great minds DO think alike :)
2011-04-02 01:23 <wpwrak> it's been an odd month. lots at or around the beginning, then fairly quiet for the rest
2011-04-02 01:26 <wolfspraul> the problem will be to extract the real news, together with good pics
2011-04-02 01:26 <wolfspraul> as always
2011-04-02 01:26 <wolfspraul> yes there is a lot of activity here and there. but what is the point? what is the bottom line? what matters?
2011-04-02 01:27 <wpwrak> i think the mailing list tends to get most of the long-term-important things
2011-04-02 01:27 <wpwrak> sometimes a bit of noise too, but that's normal
2011-04-02 01:29 <wpwrak> regarding pics, you mentioned that you edit them for size and such. the ones i make are usually sized for efficient online viewing. is that format convenient for you ? i also keep the originals, but i don't advertize them
2011-04-02 01:31 <wolfspraul> hmm
2011-04-02 01:31 <wolfspraul> in general I would upload the highest resolution possible somewhere, just for archival purposes
2011-04-02 01:31 <wolfspraul> mediawiki will scale automatically, that solves the 'online viewing' problem
2011-04-02 01:32 <wpwrak> the editing i do is usually cropping and gamma correction. occasionally also white balance or more complex contrast than just gamma. once or twice actual retouching. (e.g., for one of the antennas plus chair pictures, the contrast was just unbearable and i did some fairly thorough editing. it still looks crappy, but at least prettier crap ;-)
2011-04-02 01:32 <wolfspraul> I don't see any print magazine interested in publishing things right now, that's the only real reason for higher res pictures
2011-04-02 01:32 <wolfspraul> and print magazines would not only be picky about resolution, most likely they would be picky about the actual image quality too (the content)
2011-04-02 01:32 <wolfspraul> and we would have trouble getting to that level
2011-04-02 01:32 <wolfspraul> so high-res matters mostly for archival purposes
2011-04-02 01:32 <wolfspraul> maybe screens in 10 years are 2000 dpi?
2011-04-02 01:33 <wolfspraul> who knows :-)
2011-04-02 01:33 <wpwrak> it hasn't happened in the last 10 years :)
2011-04-02 01:33 <wpwrak> not that i'd complain about a nice 1000 dpi screen, far from it ...
2011-04-02 01:33 <wolfspraul> so I would always upload/archive the highest res I have
2011-04-02 01:33 <wolfspraul> I don't see an immediate print use though
2011-04-02 01:34 <wolfspraul> or even advertisement (say a big poster or so)
2011-04-02 01:34 <wpwrak> (archival) yeah, should put the originals somewhere outside my premises. good point.
2011-04-02 01:35 <wpwrak> for the monthly news, are the scaled imaged sufficient or would you prefer to start over from less edited material ? or perhaps the .xcf, with full undo ?
2011-04-02 01:36 <wolfspraul> xcf?
2011-04-02 01:36 <wolfspraul> which images are you talking about now actually?
2011-04-02 01:36 <wolfspraul> if you have something in mind, please throw a URL into the news draft, or here in irc
2011-04-02 01:36 <wpwrak> one problem is how things look on the screen. i optimize them to look good on my screens, but i don't know how they look elsewhere
2011-04-02 01:36 <wolfspraul> Mediawiki will do scaling
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> so in Mediawiki, you can safely upload the highest resolution
2011-04-02 01:37 <wpwrak> .xcf = gimp's native format, with modification history
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> oh
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> using that app for 10 years, never knew :-)
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> btw - did you see the discussions in KiCad about changed schematics format?
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> scary stuff. of course talking is good, but some of the proposals are scary. I hope the outcome is good.
2011-04-02 01:37 <wolfspraul> wondering whether it will disrupt schhist
2011-04-02 01:38 <wpwrak> (kicad) ah no, haven't looked in a while
2011-04-02 01:39 <wpwrak> argh. seems that i got kicked off kicad-devel when openmoko.org was down :-(
2011-04-02 01:39 <wpwrak> -developers
2011-04-02 01:43 <wpwrak> (mediawiki) still waiting for a batch-able solution :) for now, the best workflow is to just upload to www-data@downloads.qi-hardware.com
2011-04-02 06:53 <tuxbrain> wolfspraul: (news) I think from my part the most important news are UBB are on stock and selling, the ArduNote project, and than Atben/Atusb production has started and will be aviable at mid/end May
2011-04-02 06:54 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: I am just update some news on Community_news_2011-04-04 too :)
2011-04-02 07:06 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: ok, then please help me updating the page a little
2011-04-02 07:06 <wolfspraul> I'll do more too, of course.
2011-04-02 07:07 <wolfspraul> I doubt the news have a big impact, but we need to keep the routine and keep pushing for a wider audience...
2011-04-02 07:07 <wolfspraul> thanks for any help!
2011-04-02 07:26 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: you never know when someone comes looking :)
2011-04-02 07:27 <tuxbrain> Ok I will try to complete the news this night
2011-04-02 07:43 <rm> hey all
2011-04-02 07:43 <rm> which video driver does the nanonote use while in X.org?
2011-04-02 07:43 <rm> is it fbdev or something better
2011-04-02 07:45 <xiangfu> rm:  there is on X in nanonote.
2011-04-02 07:45 <xiangfu> rm: nanonote using framebuffer directly
2011-04-02 07:45 <wpwrak> xiangfu: with jlime, there is :)
2011-04-02 07:45 <xiangfu> rm: wpwrak oh. yes. jlime using X
2011-04-02 07:46 <rm> yep, I saw some videos with X on NN
2011-04-02 07:49 <wpwrak> hmm, xdpyinfo doesn't reveal much about the driver :-(
2011-04-02 07:49 <wpwrak> may just be "dumb" frame buffer
2011-04-02 07:54 <rm> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
2011-04-02 07:54 <rm> I also saw it run Doom/Heretic/Hexen
2011-04-02 07:55 <wpwrak> rm: ls /var/log -> wtmp ;-)
2011-04-02 07:55 <rm> and at pretty impressive speeds
2011-04-02 07:55 <rm> so I wonder can this be with fbdev
2011-04-02 07:55 <rm> wpwrak, xvinfo
2011-04-02 07:55 <wpwrak> the games are usually using sdl
2011-04-02 07:56 <rm> but SDL still relies on accelerated drawing support provided by the xorg driver
2011-04-02 07:57 <wpwrak> i think sdl just uses a dumb frame buffer and asks x to stay out of the way as much as possible
2011-04-02 07:57 <wpwrak> xvinfo: X-Video Extension version 2.2  screen #0  no adaptors present
2011-04-02 07:57 <rm> you mean a canvas
2011-04-02 07:58 <rm> on which it draws by itself
2011-04-02 07:58 <rm> that's almost right, but to draw on that dumb frame buffer / canvas, it still needs accelerated operations from X
2011-04-02 07:59 <rm> not stuff like "draw line", "draw rectangle"
2011-04-02 07:59 <rm> but rather "copy bitmap"
2011-04-02 07:59 <wpwrak> i don't know enough about X to know how close to the hardware SDL can get. maybe it actually gets direct access to the frame buffer.
2011-04-02 07:59 <wpwrak> memcpy ? :)
2011-04-02 07:59 <rm> I don't know much about X either
2011-04-02 08:00 <wpwrak> 320x240x2 bytes isn't all that much to move around
2011-04-02 08:00 <rm> also e.g. if the program wants to draw bitmaps in other format than what you have on screen
2011-04-02 08:01 <wpwrak> yes, that's usually when things suddenly get very very slow :)
2011-04-02 09:00 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: ah, when the pcb fab sends the panelized gerbers, please also ask them for permission to publish them (cc-by-sa or such), so that we can fully document the process
2011-04-02 09:04 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: roger
2011-04-02 09:05 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: have you already given them the "go ahead" ?
2011-04-02 09:10 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: potential entries for the 04-04: 1) the ben-wpan samples http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-March/007457.html
2011-04-02 09:12 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: 2) the decision that tuxbrain will lead the production (and which may potentially have started already)
2011-04-02 09:13 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: 3) that we have a kernel that allows atben to communicate via ieee 802.15.4
2011-04-02 09:14 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: not sure if 3) is newsworthy yet. there are still a few more things missing before it's actually useful
2011-04-02 09:16 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: regarding 2), there's also the integrated process for producing fab files, but i haven't documented it yet. at its core is ben-wpan/makefiles/Makefile.kicad, which is semi-generic
2011-04-02 09:32 <lekernel> "The attic concept may actually come in handy for a few other Qi projects and proposals"
2011-04-02 09:32 <lekernel> lol
2011-04-02 09:44 <wpwrak> lekernel: wolfgang's dungeon
2011-04-02 10:21 <wolfspraul> I shouldn't call the attic a 'concept', it's not that revolutionary. Just the attic, after all :-)
2011-04-02 10:59 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: mplayer_jz47xx: package for experimental mplayer video acceleration driver http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/80a3d2d
2011-04-02 11:57 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: add mplayer_jz47xx to config.full_system http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/3eb5448
2011-04-02 12:44 <zrafa> tuxbrain: is it possible to get or make in some future more sie boards? (sorry if the question is vague :) )
2011-04-02 12:44 <zrafa> btw, hello
2011-04-02 12:44 <zrafa> to all
2011-04-02 12:47 <wolfspraul> hi
2011-04-02 12:47 <zrafa> hey wolfspraul, hello
2011-04-02 12:49 <zrafa> wolfspraul: maybe the question is for you as well :) (sie boards)
2011-04-02 12:49 <wolfspraul> of course it can be made
2011-04-02 12:49 <wolfspraul> it's copyleft :-)
2011-04-02 12:49 <wolfspraul> but I am not planning a run, and many things that should be in motion for a run, imho, are not in motion
2011-04-02 12:50 <wolfspraul> SIE is in the attic :-)
2011-04-02 12:50 <zrafa> wolfspraul: yes, but we would need of you to make that
2011-04-02 12:50 <zrafa> wolfspraul: yes, I know
2011-04-02 12:50 <wolfspraul> of course we can dust it off and get it down from the attic again
2011-04-02 12:50 <wolfspraul> oh no, you definitely don't need 'me'
2011-04-02 12:50 <zrafa> wolfspraul: YES
2011-04-02 12:50 <zrafa> :)
2011-04-02 12:51 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain is proving with his fearless heart that anyone can do manufacturing, especially with high quality copyleft designs and processes
2011-04-02 12:51 <zrafa> tuxbrain: yes, and I like that
2011-04-02 12:51 <wolfspraul> I am focused on milkymist one rc3 now, and want to do that really well
2011-04-02 12:51 <wolfspraul> I even let down Werner on ben-wpan, but tuxbrain jumped in and it's all great right now there
2011-04-02 12:52 <wolfspraul> I don't know yet what I will take on after rc3, rc3 actually has some sub-projects like another 200 jtag-serial boards, etc.
2011-04-02 12:53 <wolfspraul> either rc4, or a mobile minimilky board along the lines of the former Xue, or - don't know yet :-)
2011-04-02 12:53 <zrafa> wolfspraul: I am back at uni working, and of course, I was to check the status of sie projects there and I found some heart lives there working with that and better thinking on some nn or sie courses in the future. So I am helping
2011-04-02 12:54 <wolfspraul> the technology is still there and good and has potential
2011-04-02 12:55 <zrafa> wolfspraul: great that you want to do something well :) .. just kidding .. it is great for the milkymist project. I do not know much about, but I see a really open hardware project behind.
2011-04-02 12:55 <wolfspraul> these things all connect together
2011-04-02 12:55 <wolfspraul> imo
2011-04-02 12:56 <zrafa> wolfspraul: and for the ben-wpan project I hope tuxbrain and werner work until it is there.. At least I will buy and enjoy
2011-04-02 12:57 <zrafa> wolfspraul: we (miriam and me) finally found a new apartment to rent on our new location. So we will rent next week. That gives me a place to have my desk properly set to work again ;)
2011-04-02 12:58 <wolfspraul> nice
2011-04-02 15:27 <rjeffries> regarding another run od SIE aka swiss army knife card , similar to Ben + FPGA, are design changes required after that first runb of n=50 or so>
2011-04-02 15:28 <wpwrak> rjeffries: i think they found numerous small issues that should be corrected in a future run
2011-04-02 15:29 <rjeffries> wpwrak. OK. I was noodling about whether deigning in the 4760 into an SIE V2 might be an interesting approach.
2011-04-02 15:29 <rjeffries> use SIE which does not have a pretty plastic enclosure to test the 4760
2011-04-02 15:30 <rjeffries> or, thinking out loud, is SIE considered to competitive with Milkylist? I don;t think it is, but just wondering
2011-04-02 15:33 <kristianpaul> You dont need SIE after got a milkymist
2011-04-02 16:01 <lars_> well it is an alternative with a lower price
2011-04-02 16:02 <lars_> and it has a real cpu
2011-04-02 16:27 <kristianpaul> lars_: indeed
2011-04-02 16:27 <kristianpaul> lets wait for the xilinx chip with arm/logic blocks :-)
2011-04-02 16:28 <kristianpaul> price lower +1
2011-04-02 22:21 <tuxbrain> wolfspaul: (fearless heart) I love a lot the Killer RPG despcrition about characters like me they call them brave(and/or)stupids :P
2011-04-02 22:23 <tuxbrain> wpwrak:(wpan production) yes the ok was given, but then comes the weekend :), waiting for the specification of way of payment, maybe this time they allow me to do 30 days of grace instead of instant payment :) I'm starting to be a trusted company :P
2011-04-02 22:25 <tuxbrain> zrafa: I will not do sie my own, there is serios production issues last time and I have no notice than any body has resolved them, so for me is a no go right now.
2011-04-02 22:32 <tuxbrain> buff is too late I finally arrive at home too late I'm really tired to start editing the wiki news now .... I know I said I will do but sorry :(, I hope I can do something tomorrow but is very unlikely....:(
2011-04-02 22:35 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: i dont bet wolfspaul or zrafa will read backlogs all the time..~
2011-04-02 22:37 <kristianpaul> a minimmilkymist can beat a SIE board :-)
2011-04-02 22:37 <kristianpaul> minimilkymist*
2011-04-02 22:37 <kristianpaul> minimist*
2011-04-02 22:37 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: pero mi conciencia se ha quedado tranquila (to late to try to translate the previous sentence)
2011-04-02 22:37 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: eso si :-)
2011-04-02 22:37 <tuxbrain> MMM(minimilkimist)
2011-04-02 22:37 <kristianpaul> :D
2011-04-02 22:37 <tuxbrain> NN MM and now MMM
2011-04-02 22:38 <tuxbrain> NNN (nasty NanoNote?)
2011-04-02 22:38 <kristianpaul> next nano note
2011-04-02 22:39 <kristianpaul> xD
2011-04-02 22:39 <tuxbrain> yeah!
2011-04-02 22:39 <tuxbrain> Ya=NNN
2011-04-02 22:40 <Jay7> nanonanonote
2011-04-02 22:40 <kristianpaul> s/NNN/MMM
2011-04-02 22:41 <Jay7> time to have some sleep anyway
2011-04-02 22:41 <kristianpaul> :-)
2011-04-02 22:41 <kristianpaul> is packing its mm1 and other stuff for the LabSurLab
2011-04-02 22:41 <tuxbrain> wolfspraul : If your read the backlogs I thing the more smart move for sharims to produce somthing is the Qi-phone
2011-04-02 22:42 <Jay7> and Qi-reader
2011-04-02 22:42 <kristianpaul> MMM can be a mother board for such us addons (GSM, reader, GPS-RF, Cam, ... )
2011-04-02 22:43 <tuxbrain> mmmm why not Qi-note, Qi-phone, Qi-reader, Qi-VJ. Qi-cam as qi-hardware product names?? I'm doing the Qi-wpan dongles :)
2011-04-02 22:44 <kristianpaul> :-)
2011-04-02 22:44 <kristianpaul> sure
2011-04-02 22:44 <kristianpaul> well.. why not ;-)
2011-04-02 22:45 <Jay7> Qi-bug
2011-04-02 22:45 <tuxbrain> we don't have bugs, we have futures enchancements :P
2011-04-02 22:45 <Jay7> BUG Labs produces some 'lego'
2011-04-02 22:45 <kristianpaul> yeah i think Jay7  mean that product
2011-04-02 22:45 <Jay7> ;)
2011-04-02 22:46 <kristianpaul> "we don't have bugs" sure... ?
2011-04-02 22:46 <kristianpaul> ah, yes
2011-04-02 22:47 <Jay7> well...
2011-04-02 22:47 <Jay7> is sleeping :)
2011-04-02 22:48 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: in my case also are not called bugs once productions started, are called "reasons to kill wpwrak"
2011-04-02 22:48 <tuxbrain> Jay7:  me too, gn8
2011-04-02 22:49 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: (wprak ) hehe :-)
2011-04-02 22:49 <kristianpaul> nite
2011-04-02 23:46 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: i'll check my perimeter defenses ;-)