2011-03-25 00:23 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb.brd: updated USB-A-PLUG-SMT footprint (fped put the layers wrong) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/74706cf
2011-03-25 00:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prettygerbv: instead of changing the background, change the drill color http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/ccd8301
2011-03-25 00:40 <wpwrak> xiangfu: good morning ! yet another fped bug has died :)
2011-03-25 00:41 <xiangfu> wpwrak: I will update the fped package :)
2011-03-25 00:42 <wpwrak> xiangfu: thanks !
2011-03-25 00:44 <xiangfu> wpwrak: small question about "YAFFS/YAFFS2 " for using the yaffs system. we don't need to format the flash. like format ubi? right?
2011-03-25 00:45 <xiangfu> wpwrak: we can just using "mount -t yaffs /dev/mtdblock3 /mnt" then copy file to it. then everything is ok. right?
2011-03-25 00:47 <qi-bot> [commit] werner: fped: mechanical holes had incorrect layers http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/78e4ba0
2011-03-25 00:47 <wpwrak> xiangfu: hmm, my memory is hazy on that one, but i think you're right. you would just erase the flash parition and then yaffs should figure out the rest.
2011-03-25 00:47 <wpwrak> xiangfu: i know for sure that jffs2 works like this
2011-03-25 00:47 <xiangfu> wpwrak: thanks
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] werner: fped: mechanical holes had incorrect layers http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/78e4ba0
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian package stuff http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b6807a7
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: clean up the Build-Depends. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e394af8
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: use the new version rules. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b17ed1a
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian/fped.manpages  for install manpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b9a6369
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5982, enable dh_auto_test http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/17dc8ff
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: use usual name for orig tarball top-level directory http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/069e82f
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update take svn rev: 5983 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/a6d21bb
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the Build-Depends ttf-liberation http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/21f2ae2
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5986 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5fa6038
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: override dh_auto_clean, use make spotless instread http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5ac0cb5
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add ghostscript to Build-Depends http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/ced96bb
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update the homepage to help webpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/4a68274
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r5997 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/ceaa519
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: debian package update to 5999 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/a49bbd2
2011-03-25 00:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r6005 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/acccaee
2011-03-25 00:54 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r6006 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6396ca8
2011-03-25 00:58 <xiangfu> wpwrak: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/fped/downloads/  done :)
2011-03-25 01:19 <wpwrak> xiangfu: great. thanks !
2011-03-25 02:15 <xiangfu> wpwrak: is there a way to write file to yaffs2 partition without boot to Linux?
2011-03-25 02:15 <xiangfu> wpwrak: just like the 'usbboot' flash ubi file to nand flash?
2011-03-25 02:15 <xiangfu> s/?/.
2011-03-25 02:55 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: hi
2011-03-25 02:55 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: i dunno, but can urjtag help you on that?
2011-03-25 03:01 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: wellcome back?
2011-03-25 03:01 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: :)
2011-03-25 03:01 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: tha yaffs2 question is related to mm1?
2011-03-25 03:02 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: yes.
2011-03-25 03:02 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I just think we should ship with a lot of patches. and some wallpapers :)
2011-03-25 03:03 <kristianpaul> indeed
2011-03-25 03:03 <xiangfu> kristianpaul:  I am not sure if the fjmem can take care /dev/flash5.
2011-03-25 03:03 <kristianpaul> i wonder
2011-03-25 03:03 <xiangfu> fjmem.bit
2011-03-25 03:03 <kristianpaul> had you tried just dump yaffs2 partition and write it again?
2011-03-25 03:04 <kristianpaul> just curios and i wonder if it will work..
2011-03-25 03:04 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I try dd in rtems. it's not like linux version dd.
2011-03-25 03:04 <kristianpaul> oh no
2011-03-25 03:06 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: fiy
2011-03-25 03:06 <kristianpaul> 20938:10:57 < mwalle> lekernel: do you have a mkyaffsimage tool?
2011-03-25 03:06 <kristianpaul> 20941:10:59 < lekernel> there's no mkyaffsimage that works with in-band tags (used with nor flash)
2011-03-25 03:06 <kristianpaul> 20943:11:00 < lekernel> the response from the yaffs developer was "put the files on a test device, then dump its flash to get the image" ...
2011-03-25 03:06 <kristianpaul> loves his logs
2011-03-25 03:07 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: so you see the point about dump data now ;-)
2011-03-25 03:09 <wolfspraul> so that means one needs an m1 to build an image that is installable on another m1
2011-03-25 03:09 <wolfspraul> true?
2011-03-25 03:10 <kristianpaul> yeah
2011-03-25 03:10 <wolfspraul> or we don't build an image at all, and let a running rtems on the m1 write to nor?
2011-03-25 03:10 <wolfspraul> rather than trying to get support for in-band tags into mkyaffsimage (upstream or not)
2011-03-25 03:10 <kristianpaul> rtems is different from yaffs data partition
2011-03-25 03:10 <wolfspraul> maybe easier to forget about mkyaffsimage and use the yaffs code in rtems for the same purpose?
2011-03-25 03:11 <kristianpaul> well you can also use rtems for that
2011-03-25 03:11 <wolfspraul> yes sure, but I am thinking how we get the files to the m1
2011-03-25 03:11 <wolfspraul> if via mkyaffsimage, sounds like it will be difficult :-)
2011-03-25 03:11 <kristianpaul> yes :/
2011-03-25 03:11 <wolfspraul> no buildhost, unless you attach a physical m1 to the buildhost (just kidding)
2011-03-25 03:11 <wolfspraul> but we can go via rtems
2011-03-25 03:11 <kristianpaul> but
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> rtems need pull data from somwhere...
2011-03-25 03:12 <wolfspraul> sure
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> ethernet !
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> buggy ;)
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> i think fix memory card bugs will help
2011-03-25 03:12 <wolfspraul> well. we fix them one by one.
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> sure
2011-03-25 03:12 <wolfspraul> memory card is fiddly (for installation)
2011-03-25 03:12 <kristianpaul> just wich one first? :-)
2011-03-25 03:12 <wolfspraul> of course memory card bugs also need to be fixed
2011-03-25 03:13 <wolfspraul> in the end installation/flashing/updating should work in many different ways
2011-03-25 03:13 <wolfspraul> but I think xiangfu is just thinking about the first way now, the one that works right away
2011-03-25 03:13 <kristianpaul> dump!
2011-03-25 03:13 <wolfspraul> I guess it involves an m1 to be used to create a nor-compatible image :-)
2011-03-25 03:13 <wolfspraul> yep
2011-03-25 03:13 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: there will be some manual steps in your process :-)
2011-03-25 03:14 <xiangfu> yes.
2011-03-25 03:15 <wolfspraul> and we know some more bug areas now: mkyaffsimage cannot create nor images. rtems cannot pull data via ethernet (buggy) or memory card (buggy)
2011-03-25 03:15 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: can you point me some document how to dump the /dev/flash5 in rtems?
2011-03-25 03:16 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: what is the bug of pull data from memory card?
2011-03-25 03:16 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: now I put all those patches files in memory card. so far never meet a bug.
2011-03-25 03:16 <xiangfu> 512MB sd card.
2011-03-25 03:16 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: you mean you memory card is working??
2011-03-25 03:16 <kristianpaul> damm, mine not..
2011-03-25 03:17 <kristianpaul> how do you format it?
2011-03-25 03:17 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: work just fine. 512MB sd card
2011-03-25 03:17 <kristianpaul> can you try with 1Gb?
2011-03-25 03:17 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: in linux using mkfs.vfat.
2011-03-25 03:17 <kristianpaul> same here
2011-03-25 03:17 <kristianpaul> is odd, i think i tried also 32Mb and 512MB using the adapter wolfspraul gave me and no luck..
2011-03-25 03:17 <kristianpaul> damm
2011-03-25 03:18 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: yes. but it's need some time. tonight maybe. I don't have 1GB card now.
2011-03-25 03:18 <wolfspraul> what is your problem exactly?
2011-03-25 03:18 <kristianpaul> not even get recogniced..
2011-03-25 03:18 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I will try all the sd card I have. 8GB and 16GB etc..
2011-03-25 03:20 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: (urjtag dump)  readmem
2011-03-25 03:20 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: ah rtems..
2011-03-25 03:21 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: hmm, dunno
2011-03-25 03:21 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: just write to memory?
2011-03-25 03:23 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: can you share a  mm1 boot log with your 512mb card inserted?
2011-03-25 03:23 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: sure.
2011-03-25 03:23 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: wait one moment.
2011-03-25 03:25 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: that fat partition is like /dev/sdc1 not just /dev/sdc right?
2011-03-25 03:25 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: yes.
2011-03-25 03:26 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: have you run 'fdisk' before 'mkfs.vfat'
2011-03-25 03:26 <kristianpaul> any special recomendation with fdisk?
2011-03-25 03:27 <xiangfu> I just delete all partition in memory card. then create one new partition. that's all.
2011-03-25 03:27 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: the boot log: http://pastebin.com/GEtR1gfD
2011-03-25 03:28 <kristianpaul> #
2011-03-25 03:29 <kristianpaul> E: No FAT partition was found ?
2011-03-25 03:29 <kristianpaul> how do you used rtems to write memory card, you did already isnt?
2011-03-25 03:30 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: for now I just using 'mkdir'
2011-03-25 03:30 <kristianpaul> frokm wich dir?
2011-03-25 03:30 <kristianpaul> from*
2011-03-25 03:30 <xiangfu> ping
2011-03-25 03:31 <kristianpaul> pong
2011-03-25 03:32 <xiangfu> /memcard
2011-03-25 03:33 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-03-25 03:33 <kristianpaul> and you verified and in your pc tha data on the memory appear isnt?
2011-03-25 03:33 <xiangfu> wait one memont
2011-03-25 03:33 <xiangfu> I can not write. only read.
2011-03-25 03:34 <kristianpaul> sorry for ask all this i just want sure
2011-03-25 03:34 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-03-25 03:34 <kristianpaul> well may be re-mount
2011-03-25 03:34 <xiangfu> sorry. I test mkdir in //flash
2011-03-25 03:34 <xiangfu> ok. start now.
2011-03-25 03:37 <xiangfu> [/] # mount /dev/memcard1 /memcard -t dosfs
2011-03-25 03:37 <xiangfu> mounted /dev/memcard1 -> /memcard
2011-03-25 03:37 <xiangfu> [/] # cd /memcard
2011-03-25 03:37 <xiangfu> [/memcard] # mkdir a
2011-03-25 03:37 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: http://pastebin.com/pqeNg6JL
2011-03-25 03:37 <kristianpaul> my boot log btw http://paste.debian.net/111923/
2011-03-25 03:38 <kristianpaul> oh good!
2011-03-25 03:38 <xiangfu> the first 'ls' show the 'a' but then it  disappear.
2011-03-25 03:38 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-03-25 03:39 <xiangfu> you have the "E: Unable to initialize memory card driver"
2011-03-25 03:40 <xiangfu> I don't have that error in my boot log
2011-03-25 03:40 <kristianpaul> thats a nokia 1Gb memory card
2011-03-25 03:40 <kristianpaul> i found a 512Mb
2011-03-25 03:40 <kristianpaul> i'll try
2011-03-25 03:43 <kristianpaul> aw: i feel a bit loose the memory card on the mm1 8:10 card holder
2011-03-25 03:43 <kristianpaul> i guess is okay..
2011-03-25 03:44 <aw> you means J19?
2011-03-25 03:44 <kristianpaul> same issue with the 512Mb.. xiangfu
2011-03-25 03:44 <kristianpaul> Yes Sr !
2011-03-25 03:45 <aw> we apology that for that J19. a normal process the J19 should not be loosen.
2011-03-25 03:45 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: so you are the lucky man also probably boot rtems from the memory card
2011-03-25 03:45 <kristianpaul> is not SO loos but once locket it can touch the card and it loose/move a bit..
2011-03-25 03:46 <kristianpaul> s/loos/loose
2011-03-25 03:46 <kristianpaul> s/it/i
2011-03-25 03:47 <aw> but during rc2, there's a rework on replaced R147, R150, R149 area, so operator used air soldering method, so a heated air goes to blow J19.
2011-03-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-03-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> aw: you understand my point is about the mechanical part that holds memory on the J19?
2011-03-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> (just to confirm)
2011-03-25 03:48 <aw> so there's some mechanical weaken could be there.
2011-03-25 03:48 <kristianpaul> :(
2011-03-25 03:48 <kristianpaul> okay i'll ad a little paper and see if improves
2011-03-25 03:49 <kristianpaul> but that rework you mentioned is very interesting to know, of course i dont find it related with my issue yet..
2011-03-25 03:50 <aw> today I just rescued one board 0x1e which has never passed rc2. guess what caused? I don't know exactly
2011-03-25 03:51 <kristianpaul> aw: do you have at hand the link for the bitstream for making production tests?
2011-03-25 03:51 <aw> the one is always got high current around 0.65A without porting any s/w.
2011-03-25 03:51 <aw> you means 'bit stream' file ?
2011-03-25 03:51 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-03-25 03:52 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: (jtag readmem): http://pastebin.com/94DpzesN
2011-03-25 03:52 <kristianpaul> i want run that factory test before go sleep :-)
2011-03-25 03:52 <aw> um... i have it but that one is built by lekernel
2011-03-25 03:53 <aw> you want to run factory test or bitstream?
2011-03-25 03:53 <kristianpaul> okay i'll buit  here
2011-03-25 03:53 <kristianpaul> test
2011-03-25 03:53 <kristianpaul> s/buit/build
2011-03-25 03:53 <aw> http://www.milkymist.org/test_tool/
2011-03-25 03:53 <aw> this is auto test program.
2011-03-25 03:54 <kristianpaul> yes that one !
2011-03-25 03:54 <kristianpaul> tks
2011-03-25 03:54 <aw> do you know how to use it?
2011-03-25 03:55 <kristianpaul> yeah, i hope so, i read the pdf once and i'm aware flterm need to be used
2011-03-25 03:55 <aw> press middle button after typing "flterm ........."
2011-03-25 03:55 <kristianpaul> you mean "power-on-lik"  button?
2011-03-25 03:55 <aw> then serial condole have outputs then immediately type 'ESC" key
2011-03-25 03:56 <aw> press SW2
2011-03-25 03:56 <kristianpaul> serialboot from bios, yes
2011-03-25 03:56 <aw> then type 'serialboot' under bios, yes
2011-03-25 04:01 <kristianpaul> aw: figure 1 should look like in pdf?..
2011-03-25 04:01 <kristianpaul> cause the right/bottom figure is not the same.
2011-03-25 04:02 <kristianpaul> jaa!!!!
2011-03-25 04:02 <kristianpaul> *** Running tests in category: Memory card
2011-03-25 04:02 <kristianpaul> Card initialization:                                                     [  FAILED  ]
2011-03-25 04:02 <kristianpaul> Block read:                                                              [  FAILED  ]
2011-03-25 04:03 <kristianpaul> :'(
2011-03-25 04:03 <kristianpaul> okay i have _a_ problem here
2011-03-25 04:06 <kristianpaul> aw: can you point me the TP fot the memory card?
2011-03-25 04:07 <aw> Test points for memory card?
2011-03-25 04:07 <kristianpaul> if there are..
2011-03-25 04:08 <aw> TP16-DAT2, TP17-DAT3/CD, TP18-CMD, TP19-CLK, TP20-DAT0, TP21-DAT1
2011-03-25 04:09 <aw> http://www.milkymist.org/mmone/rc2_schematics.pdf
2011-03-25 04:09 <kristianpaul> ;))
2011-03-25 04:10 <aw> before you got fail, have you done for somethings about memory card?
2011-03-25 04:11 <kristianpaul> well. not, i just put a memory card there
2011-03-25 04:12 <kristianpaul> also used the usd-like to sd-like adapter
2011-03-25 04:12 <kristianpaul> but same problem..
2011-03-25 04:16 <kristianpaul> well i'll try tomorrow with the scope and see what could be wrong..
2011-03-25 04:16 <kristianpaul> thanks aw
2011-03-25 04:17 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: are you sure of those values?
2011-03-25 04:17 <aw> kristianpaul, you're welcome, bbl
2011-03-25 04:18 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: eadmem 0 0x02920000 memory1_dump
2011-03-25 04:18 <kristianpaul> is a full dump
2011-03-25 04:18 <kristianpaul> not your case but..
2011-03-25 04:18 <kristianpaul> gn8 !
2011-03-25 05:13 <wpwrak> xiangfu: (write to yaff2) hmm, if you just have a partition image, the same mechanisms should work. doesn't really matter what kind of file system you have inside.
2011-03-25 05:14 <wpwrak> ah, i see the issue has already ben discussed
2011-03-25 06:50 <kyak> xiangfu: hi
2011-03-25 06:51 <kyak> xiangfu: do you have an idea why there is xfce related stuff in config.full_system?
2011-03-25 06:53 <kyak> specifically, libxfconf and libxfce4util
2011-03-25 06:53 <kyak> which pull some other xfce related stuff
2011-03-25 06:53 <kyak> some of which, in turn, fails to compile
2011-03-25 06:53 <kyak> but most importantly, this doesn't work on Ben
2011-03-25 07:06 <kyak> xiangfu: in fact, i would disable xfce (and efl) feeds for good
2011-03-25 07:06 <kyak> they all require X support
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> kyak: don't know. yes. that is what I thinkg. just disable xfce.
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> I think those four feeds:
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> src-svn phone svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/phone
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> src-svn efl svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/efl
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> src-svn desktop svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/desktop
2011-03-25 07:16 <xiangfu> src-svn xfce svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/xfce
2011-03-25 07:17 <kyak> hm, are yo usure about desktop?
2011-03-25 07:17 <xiangfu> not sure. maybe <5 packages.
2011-03-25 07:17 <xiangfu> I mean those four feeds are for the openwrt freerunner image.
2011-03-25 07:19 <kyak> not sure about libglade
2011-03-25 07:19 <kyak> which is in desktop
2011-03-25 07:21 <kyak> i'll try building without these four
2011-03-25 07:22 <kyak> let'ss see how it works
2011-03-25 07:22 <xiangfu> the 'tangogps' is under the 'desktop'
2011-03-25 07:22 <kyak> is it working?
2011-03-25 07:23 <xiangfu> kyak: report error since there is no GPS in nanonote.
2011-03-25 07:23 <xiangfu> ~17 package in desktop. 4 apps. : http://pastebin.com/akhwXAPB
2011-03-25 07:24 <xiangfu> tangogps needs the gpsd: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/packages/gpsd_2.94-2_xburst.ipk
2011-03-25 07:24 <xiangfu> gpsd needs get GPS from /dev/ttyS0.
2011-03-25 07:24 <kyak> ok.. perhaps we could leave the desktop feed
2011-03-25 07:25 <kyak> but xfce, efl and phoen are just useless and space consuming
2011-03-25 07:34 <xiangfu> kyak: I just send out some patches email to openwrt. and CC to you :)
2011-03-25 07:35 <xiangfu> kyak: all small fixed.
2011-03-25 07:35 <xiangfu> for trunk.
2011-03-25 07:35 <kyak> cool, i can see :)
2011-03-25 07:40 <kyak> xiangfu: i hope it won't be a problem for them to accept these and following patches, because all of them are in xburst/
2011-03-25 07:40 <xiangfu> kyak: yes.
2011-03-25 08:38 <tuxbrain> xiangfu: I have succesfully set up a qt-creator build enviroment (finally) but I have to copy the following libs copy(link) the folloing libs  libdl.so.0 librt.so.0 and ld-uClibc.so.0 from
2011-03-25 08:38 <tuxbrain> $basepath/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/root-xburst/usr/lib/gcc/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/4.3.3/
2011-03-25 08:38 <tuxbrain>  to
2011-03-25 08:38 <tuxbrain>  $basepathr/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib
2011-03-25 08:38 <tuxbrain> To make ld find them, I wanna make a tutorial to on how to setup qt-creator to develops apps for NN but this is a ugly hack, do you know how can be fixed in the origin?
2011-03-25 08:39 <tuxbrain> I'm using the SDK
2011-03-25 08:39 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: oh. the SDK have on issue.
2011-03-25 08:40 <xiangfu> some script will using the buildhost path. so you should make a symlink "/openwrt-xburst.full_system" to your SDK folder.
2011-03-25 08:41 <tuxbrain> ?
2011-03-25 08:41 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: see the "http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Porting_programs" the "2."
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: sorry. "/home/xiangfu/
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> <tuxbrain> I'm using the SDK
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> <xiangfu> tuxbrain: oh. the SDK have on issue.
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> <xiangfu> some script will using the buildhost path. so you should make a symlink "/openwrt-xburst.full_system" to your SDK folder.
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> <tuxbrain> ?
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> sorry.
2011-03-25 08:42 <xiangfu> (whey you select it in xchat. by default it copy them)
2011-03-25 08:43 <xiangfu> the symlinks should be at : "/home/xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system"
2011-03-25 08:43 <xiangfu> since I using this folder in buildhost for compile SDK.
2011-03-25 08:43 <tuxbrain> ok, but I'm not using the SDK building scripts now, I'm using qt-creator directly
2011-03-25 08:44 <tuxbrain> but I take note of this when I try to build a proper package
2011-03-25 08:45 <tuxbrain> xianfu:when did you plan to make a new SDK release?
2011-03-25 08:45 <tuxbrain> xianfu-> xiangfu
2011-03-25 08:45 <kyak> when i adapted some qt apps for Ben screen (like qstardict) or created new (like Tile) i used qt-creator only to test it locally. Then i copied the source files to build environment and used the regular openwrt Makefile to build it for Ben
2011-03-25 08:48 <tuxbrain> kyak yes but I'm also setting up an automatic upload&run on NN script to launch from qt-creator so with one click you see the app pop up in NN :)
2011-03-25 08:48 <kyak> tuxbrain: this sounds cool :)
2011-03-25 08:49 <tuxbrain> put on this some electric guitar soundtrack and another cool video to upload :P
2011-03-25 08:49 <kyak> indeed~!
2011-03-25 08:50 <tuxbrain> but I want to make the related tutorial as clean as posible, and that ugly cp libs arrangement is annoying me
2011-03-25 08:51 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: those libs should be at : staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib/ of openwrt.
2011-03-25 08:53 <xiangfu> tuxbrain, kyak: I never using qt-creator before. can we configure qt-creator search this folder?
2011-03-25 08:54 <kyak> i believe this path can be added to .pro file
2011-03-25 08:54 <kyak> i don't know if it's ugly :)
2011-03-25 08:54 <tuxbrain> can be added to the qmake.conf?
2011-03-25 08:55 <tuxbrain> how to put two dirs on a -rpath-link
2011-03-25 08:55 <tuxbrain> ?
2011-03-25 08:55 <tuxbrain> I have tried an I fail
2011-03-25 08:56 <tuxbrain> this is my LD conf now, how I modified it?
2011-03-25 08:56 <tuxbrain> QMAKE_LFLAGS = -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib
2011-03-25 08:57 <kyak> tuxbrain: separate by colons
2011-03-25 08:57 <kyak> (-rpath-link)
2011-03-25 08:58 <tuxbrain> that's what I tried
2011-03-25 08:58 <tuxbrain> -rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib,/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib/
2011-03-25 08:58 <tuxbrain> and doesn't work
2011-03-25 08:58 <tuxbrain> let me try again...
2011-03-25 08:59 <tuxbrain> sorry without final "/"
2011-03-25 09:01 <kyak> comma is not a colon :)
2011-03-25 09:02 <tuxbrain> what is a colon?
2011-03-25 09:03 <xiangfu> ;
2011-03-25 09:03 <xiangfu> :
2011-03-25 09:04 <tuxbrain> ; or :
2011-03-25 09:04 <tuxbrain> ?
2011-03-25 09:06 <xiangfu> colon is ":"  or you can add another -Wl,-rpath-link (I am not tried. should work form document)
2011-03-25 09:08 <xiangfu> -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib
2011-03-25 09:08 <xiangfu> -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib:/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib
2011-03-25 09:09 <tuxbrain> heeheheh my irc client replace :/ with it's emoticon :P
2011-03-25 09:11 <tuxbrain> yeah it works :)
2011-03-25 09:22 <kyak> i tried emoticons in IRC once (before i completely switched to irssi) and found them controversal to IRC spirit :)
2011-03-25 09:23 <tuxbrain> why ?
2011-03-25 09:23 <kyak> nowadays some clients support avatars, i believe it's the same unecessary shit :)
2011-03-25 09:23 <kyak> cause IRC is cool as it is, all text
2011-03-25 09:24 <kyak> actually, i even switched to text emoticons in my IM clients
2011-03-25 09:25 <kyak> add typing notification to IRC, video support, and then throw it away in trash together with other fancy IM protocols :)
2011-03-25 09:26 <tuxbrain> who kicked me? :P
2011-03-25 09:27 <kyak> it's your client, it doesn't want you to hear th truth :)
2011-03-25 09:29 <tuxbrain> well I must go to dentist ... (sigh), see ya later guys
2011-03-25 09:29 <xiangfu> see you
2011-03-25 09:31 <kyak> bb
2011-03-25 12:53 <kristianpaul> oh sh1t :| https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/iranian-hackers-obtain-fraudulent-https
2011-03-25 12:56 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: I think most browsers have a root certificate of the china whatever network organization as a 'trusted' certifier.
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> indeed that's a big concern
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> and it's nothing new
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> that's in my top concerns of unfixed security problemns
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> other include:
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> ldd on GNU/Linux
2011-03-25 12:56 <wolfspraul> that borders on insanity, as I can guarantee you 100% that the Chinese governtment posesses the practical capability, and uses it in practical reality, to eavesdrop on sessions with certificates generated on the fly
2011-03-25 12:56 <GNUtoo> and gnome's .desktop stuff
2011-03-25 12:57 <wolfspraul> if you think that is not happening, you are more than naive
2011-03-25 12:57 <GNUtoo> indeed that's happening
2011-03-25 12:57 <GNUtoo> ldd is a script that can be abused to get arbitrary code execution with a crafted binary, nothing was done
2011-03-25 12:59 <kyak> GNUtoo: bash script can be written to execute the arbitrary code, too. Or did I misunderstand you?
2011-03-25 13:00 <GNUtoo> you mnissunderstood
2011-03-25 13:00 <GNUtoo> someone gives you a crafted binary
2011-03-25 13:00 <GNUtoo> let's call it binary
2011-03-25 13:00 <GNUtoo> you do
2011-03-25 13:00 <GNUtoo> ldd ./binary
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> and it execute some code in binary
2011-03-25 13:01 <kyak> ah ok
2011-03-25 13:01 <kyak> not good at all
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> the .desktop are also problematic
2011-03-25 13:01 <kyak> what's up with .desktop?
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> basically let's say someone get user access to your computer
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> not root
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> but user
2011-03-25 13:01 <kyak> GNUtoo: is there a bug report/activity for ldd issue?
2011-03-25 13:01 <GNUtoo> then he replace some menu
2011-03-25 13:02 <GNUtoo> you can imagine the issue
2011-03-25 13:02 <GNUtoo> because he could replace administrative stuff within the gnome menus
2011-03-25 13:02 <GNUtoo> instead of calling the normal program
2011-03-25 13:02 <GNUtoo> it calls a different one
2011-03-25 13:03 <GNUtoo> you run it
2011-03-25 13:03 <GNUtoo> you see no difference
2011-03-25 13:03 <GNUtoo> you put your password
2011-03-25 13:03 <GNUtoo> and boom he has your password and can become root
2011-03-25 13:03 <kyak> hm you are right.. But this is the only way for the user to overwrite systems menu himself?
2011-03-25 13:04 <kyak> his ~/.local menu has more priority than system-wide
2011-03-25 13:07 <kristianpaul> gnome have many security issues, i discover the network manager cant detect changes between two access-point with same name (dunno if there is a bug for this)
2011-03-25 13:07 <kyak> you shouldn't keep it to yourself :)
2011-03-25 13:08 <kristianpaul> :p
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> I know something even worse
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> and that could do huge damage
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> the most dangerous command ever
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> is this channel logged?
2011-03-25 13:09 <kristianpaul> ye
2011-03-25 13:09 <kristianpaul> s
2011-03-25 13:09 <kyak> yes it are
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> ok better not telling
2011-03-25 13:09 <GNUtoo> basically you tell that command to a newbie ubuntu user
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> he will run it
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> for rm -rf /* he won't
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> but for this one he will
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> even experienced people didn't know what the command did
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> *really did
2011-03-25 13:10 <kyak> there are numerous ways to obfuscate that rm -rf / :)
2011-03-25 13:10 <GNUtoo> that one is worse
2011-03-25 13:11 <GNUtoo> if you really want to know PM me
2011-03-25 13:11 <kyak> can you pm it?
2011-03-25 13:11 <wpwrak> rm -rf /  ... why ? just tried it and got no error
2011-03-25 13:11 <GNUtoo> yes
2011-03-25 13:11 <kristianpaul> okay ,lets kick out here qi-bot ;)
2011-03-25 13:13 <wpwrak> there are countless commands you can use to cause nasty damage. it's often sufficient to add some syntax error to config file to cripple a system for a newbie
2011-03-25 13:18 <GNUtoo> I told to kyak and kristianpaul
2011-03-25 13:19 <kyak> now we have the Sacred Knowledge ;)
2011-03-25 13:19 <kristianpaul> :p
2011-03-25 13:19 <GNUtoo> Scary too
2011-03-25 13:19 <GNUtoo> they can tell that the command is very dangerous....
2011-03-25 13:19 <kyak> anyone reading the log should now go and hide
2011-03-25 13:21 <kristianpaul> kyak: hahah ;)
2011-03-25 13:22 <GNUtoo> note that I found the command myself
2011-03-25 13:22 <GNUtoo> I wasn't told by someone
2011-03-25 13:23 <kristianpaul> You should file a bug or told doms distros to get a workaround i think
2011-03-25 13:23 <kristianpaul> at least to prevent
2011-03-25 13:23 <GNUtoo> hmmm
2011-03-25 13:24 <kristianpaul> :-)
2011-03-25 13:24 <GNUtoo> how could that be prevented?
2011-03-25 13:24 <GNUtoo> removing the command is not an option since it's needed
2011-03-25 13:24 <kristianpaul> a warning about what it should really do
2011-03-25 13:24 <kristianpaul> so user can regret before is late
2011-03-25 13:24 <kristianpaul> anyway :-)
2011-03-25 13:24 <GNUtoo> it was not used in the wild
2011-03-25 13:25 <GNUtoo> and I only told 4 people until now
2011-03-25 13:25 <kristianpaul> ok
2011-03-25 13:25 <GNUtoo> a university friend that is trusted, Cotulla kristianpaul  and kyak
2011-03-25 13:26 <GNUtoo> no one of theses people really knew what the command did
2011-03-25 13:26 <lars_> what does the command do?
2011-03-25 13:26 <GNUtoo> it's an equivalent of rm -rf /* under another name
2011-03-25 13:27 <GNUtoo> and it's name has no indices on the fact that it rm -rf /*
2011-03-25 13:27 <wpwrak> date >/dev/root? :)
2011-03-25 13:27 <GNUtoo> worse
2011-03-25 13:28 <wpwrak> or, better: yes >/dev/root
2011-03-25 13:28 <kyak> i guess it's time we form the masonic lodge :)
2011-03-25 13:28 <kyak> only 4 people!
2011-03-25 13:28 <GNUtoo> lol
2011-03-25 13:28 <kristianpaul> xD
2011-03-25 13:29 <GNUtoo> indeed it start to become out of control
2011-03-25 13:29 <GNUtoo> maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it
2011-03-25 13:29 <GNUtoo> because everyone wants to know now
2011-03-25 13:29 <kristianpaul> yeap, but you DID ! :)
2011-03-25 13:29 <kristianpaul> run way !
2011-03-25 13:29 <kristianpaul> :)
2011-03-25 13:29 <GNUtoo> lol
2011-03-25 13:29 <GNUtoo> sorry
2011-03-25 16:36 <wpwrak> now .. where's that bloody mkimage ... yet another great thing about getting rid if u-boot will be the elimination of that beast
2011-03-25 16:40 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: any news about the data sheets ?
2011-03-25 16:48 <wpwrak> lars_: what's the best way for working on the wpan extensions for the nanonote kernel ? make a branch on git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git ? or keep it somewhere else ?
2011-03-25 16:49 <wpwrak> lars_: i haven't worked with a public qit branch yet, so i don't know how high the risk of unintended consequences is :)
2011-03-25 16:51 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: you can clone it and make a wpwrak-branch later lars_ can safelly merge it..
2011-03-25 16:53 <lars_> wpwrak: since I can always reupload my local copy of the git tree in case you seriously messed something up, using a branch in qi-kernel.git should be fine
2011-03-25 16:54 <wpwrak> excellent. let's keep all things in one place then. branch name ben-wpan ?
2011-03-25 16:56 <kristianpaul> just give a small nock to his scope and the screen go on-line again
2011-03-25 16:57 <lars_> wpwrak: sounds good
2011-03-25 17:10 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: it's nice to see what you're doing, isn't it ? :)
2011-03-25 17:16 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: :)
2011-03-25 17:16 <kristianpaul> i'm debuggin right now the memory card
2011-03-25 17:16 <kristianpaul> xiangfu's 512Mb card works
2011-03-25 17:16 <kristianpaul> mine not :/
2011-03-25 19:26 <tuxbrain> is gmenu2x killable? I try but it comes to live again and again
2011-03-25 19:26 <xMff> you have to nuke it from /etc/inittab
2011-03-25 19:54 <kristianpaul> yeap :-)
2011-03-25 21:47 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: no data sheets or at least a part number from the smt fab ?
2011-03-25 21:48 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: and how did the visit to the master of torture go ? :)
2011-03-25 21:48 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: nothing dude :(, we must wait to the quote to see which refs they propose
2011-03-25 21:50 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: (MoT) nah he is a good artisan and I was listen good metal meanwhile , I was near to get asleep a lot of times :)
2011-03-25 21:53 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (torturer) so he gave you the good drugs :)
2011-03-25 21:54 <tuxbrain> here in spain is not usual the dentist use drugs :) maybe some local anestesia, but no this time, just fix some little caries :)
2011-03-25 21:54 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (smt) grmbl. their response times suck a bit. well, maybe they didn't actually have the connector yet but just think they can find one that's 100% smt, and are searching now. that would explain why they didn't send the spec along right away.
2011-03-25 21:55 <tuxbrain> two weeks ago he extract a teeth, and there yes he uses a loooot of local anestesia
2011-03-25 21:55 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (dentist without drugs) that's what you get for searching planes coming from south america :)
2011-03-25 21:56 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (i suppose the little incident with the medical plane from argentina caused some waves over there as well ?)
2011-03-25 21:56 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: (time suck) totally agree
2011-03-25 21:56 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: medical plane? what was that? any link?
2011-03-25 21:59 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1341741-preguntas-y-respuestas
2011-03-25 22:02 <kristianpaul> puf 944gk :S
2011-03-25 22:02 <tuxbrain> hohohoho, well whatever this type of drug will be not very conveniet to apply to dentist patient... you better need one that relax , and this one is totally the opposite :)
2011-03-25 22:04 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: yeah, seems that the ship with the opium made it through fine :)
2011-03-25 22:07 <tuxbrain> sure that meanwhile police was keeping the eye to that plane, a cargo ship was happilly discharging in the other side of the map let's say Galicia ... police happy due he catch some bad guys, narcos happy due his plan goes fine
2011-03-25 22:07 <tuxbrain> people at ibiza happy due the party will not stop
2011-03-25 22:08 <kristianpaul> :-|
2011-03-25 22:09 <tuxbrain> mothers of the dead boy by overdoze crying...
2011-03-25 22:09 <tuxbrain> and on and on and on
2011-03-25 22:10 <tuxbrain> let's change topic I'm starting to distract from coding with sad thoughs
2011-03-25 22:10 <kristianpaul> so qt is taking fast developing on your side?
2011-03-25 22:14 <Jay7> hehe.. come here, my father is dentist :)
2011-03-25 22:14 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: hmm, let's see if this is a happier topics: did you sell any of those ubb-arduino cable kits ?
2011-03-25 22:16 <wpwrak> Jay7: i suppose the anesthetic of choice would be vokda in this case ? should also help with keeping things properly disinfected :)
2011-03-25 22:16 <Jay7> wpwrak: hammer :)
2011-03-25 22:16 <Jay7> better than vodka even ;)
2011-03-25 22:18 <tuxbrain> not a killer sell but some about 20  in individual units and a pair of 10x bags , but we gain a lot of visibility, I will try to keep things hot that's why I'm developing Nanokoder, but I thing I will return to the original idea of doing a more specific arduino oriented thing than a general editor
2011-03-25 22:18 <tuxbrain> maybe I rename it
2011-03-25 22:19 <kristianpaul> ah, no more editor?
2011-03-25 22:21 <kristianpaul> or you mean arduino IDE :-)
2011-03-25 22:23 <kristianpaul> http://www.dynamics.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18&sid=9bd88414764ecbe69fa560ef5adcffaf
2011-03-25 22:23 <kristianpaul> I dont get it "the change has to be accounted for in software"
2011-03-25 22:24 <kristianpaul> bah, lets just inject some clock and see what happens..
2011-03-25 22:31 <wpwrak> Jay7: (hammer) good old russian pragmatism ;-)
2011-03-25 22:31 <Jay7> wpwrak: yep! :)
2011-03-25 22:32 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: 30 units sounds like a pretty good start for something like this
2011-03-25 22:33 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: and how's UBB doing ? still selling after the first wave ?
2011-03-25 22:34 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: (qt is taking fast devel) well fast is not the word, is my first contact with Qt world, I have spended a lot of time setting up things and understanding, thanks to the Nanomap creator that helps me in the setting up I achieve to have a very good developent enviroment setting up, also his Nanomap code is real clear and understandable to have and idea how things works,also some parts are totally reusable like the fileselector, or the batt
2011-03-25 22:34 <tuxbrain> ery and time layer, so I think next moves will be more productive in development.
2011-03-25 22:50 <wpwrak> rjeffries_: (ITead) ah yes, minimum via hole size. that's what separates the boys from the men ;-)
2011-03-25 22:55 <wpwrak> rjeffries_: a 12 mil drill isn't too bad, though. e.g., i use a 13.5 mil drill. i give my vias a 30 mil copper diameter, so even 15 mil holes would be acceptable. (rule of thumb: via hole:via copper = 1:2 (for FR4 PCB material))
2011-03-25 23:24 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: mknnk, nnui: kernel build scripts http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/3b2b916
2011-03-25 23:44 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: hi, morning
2011-03-25 23:45 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: Are you aware of people related with digital signal processing at the qi list?
2011-03-25 23:45 <kristianpaul> i was thinking drop some questions there about that topic.. :-)
2011-03-25 23:46 <tuxbrain> courious if I launch the qt app trhough ssh as command it' doesn't clean exit, but lauched thoug a console from NN or trhough ssh yes it does....
2011-03-25 23:46 <kristianpaul> he
2011-03-25 23:47 <tuxbrain> if lauched as ssh commant it let beutifull grey screen
2011-03-25 23:47 <tuxbrain> and in fact it's still showing on ps
2011-03-25 23:57 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: no you are the pioneer. There may be someone, or maybe not. Just email and see whether anybody replies.
2011-03-25 23:57 <kristianpaul> okay