2011-03-18 00:27 <rjeffries> UBB arrived from Germany. damn, it is tiny
2011-03-18 02:26 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: remner i  sent the new captured/blotef file for analisys, i got reply today, no findings..
2011-03-18 02:27 <kristianpaul> s/remner/remenber/
2011-03-18 02:28 <kristianpaul> s/blotef/bloated
2011-03-18 02:30 <kristianpaul> with bloated i mean a 16bit signed format fot the I/Q data
2011-03-18 05:55 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: (viral distribution) mmm a thing to think about
2011-03-18 06:14 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: (solder mask) ok I will make sure wen we send the final archives to start production
2011-03-18 06:30 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (nothing found) hmm yes, that was to be expected. things rarely work on the first try ...
2011-03-18 07:13 <kyak> xiangfu: hi
2011-03-18 09:49 <zedstar> tuxbrain: hi.....re: the wpan stuff.....i think it would be useful for sensor network or robotics type research projects so i guess you could sell to uni's
2011-03-18 09:50 <tuxbrain> zedstar: yeah but we need the software backend ready for this, :)
2011-03-18 09:52 <zedstar> tuxbrain: yeh this assuming some IP stack :)
2011-03-18 09:57 <B_Lizzard_> Ugh, power failure
2011-03-18 11:18 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: ;)
2011-03-18 11:18 <kristianpaul> back to the dma thing
2011-03-18 13:49 <C-Keen> hm, I get errors form usbboot when reading back the written uboot image :/
2011-03-18 13:50 <C-Keen> now I am scared to turn it off
2011-03-18 13:51 <C-Keen> ...Fail off at 0, wrote 0x14, read 0x34...
2011-03-18 13:57 <C-Keen> ah seems I got an old version of the xburst tools
2011-03-18 13:57 <C-Keen> sorry for the noise
2011-03-18 13:57 <C-Keen> I will retry with a recent version
2011-03-18 14:01 <C-Keen> hm, no the problem persists
2011-03-18 14:06 <wolfspraul> can you try from another host USB port, or host computer?
2011-03-18 14:06 <wolfspraul> also (just in case) try to enter usb boot mode with the hardware pin under the battery, as opposed to the 'u' key
2011-03-18 14:06 <C-Keen> will I be able to boot in usbboot mode once I turn off the power?
2011-03-18 14:07 <wolfspraul> with the hardware pin you will always be able to
2011-03-18 14:07 <wolfspraul> and if you somehow overwrote or garbled the u-boot in the first NAND pages, then that's your only way back, yes
2011-03-18 14:08 <wolfspraul> NanoNote should be unbrickable though, I think so far it always was :-)
2011-03-18 14:09 <wolfspraul> from that 'wrote 0x14, read 0x34', I'd say rigth now there definitely is no bootable u-boot at the beginning of your nand
2011-03-18 14:09 <wolfspraul> for whatever reason
2011-03-18 14:10 <wolfspraul> I would try reflashing from another host computer, if you have one available. is this from inside a virtual machine, or Linux is running natively on the host?
2011-03-18 14:11 <C-Keen> natively
2011-03-18 14:11 <wolfspraul> I read something about a usbboot bug introduced recently, maybe kyak mentioned it
2011-03-18 14:11 <wolfspraul> so maybe the very latest usbboot is actually bad? don't know right now
2011-03-18 14:11 <C-Keen> well I took the one from the latest
2011-03-18 14:12 <C-Keen> I will try again with the one before that
2011-03-18 14:14 <C-Keen> hm, now usbboot cannot find the XBurst interface. Do I need to reset somehting else in linux if I change ports?
2011-03-18 14:15 <C-Keen> but the lsusb shows the right device id
2011-03-18 14:17 <wolfspraul> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-March/007539.html
2011-03-18 14:17 <wolfspraul> that looks like the latest usbboot binary is buggy and should be removed right away, or more people will fall into the trap
2011-03-18 14:18 <wolfspraul> hmm. that's interesting. you try new things! You left the NanoNote running, unplugged it from one usb port and into another?
2011-03-18 14:20 <C-Keen> yes
2011-03-18 14:20 <C-Keen> seems like it
2011-03-18 14:20 <C-Keen> now it does not answer anymore
2011-03-18 14:21 <wolfspraul> cannot follow
2011-03-18 14:21 <wolfspraul> did you power cycle the NanoNote now?
2011-03-18 14:21 <wolfspraul> if you do, you need to use the usbboot pins under the battery to get back into usb boot mode
2011-03-18 14:21 <wolfspraul> for that you should use the carbonized rubber button that came with your Ben
2011-03-18 14:25 <C-Keen> here's what I do: w/o battery plug in the usb cable, short pins, press power button for 2 secs, short pins for 2 secs, check lsusb
2011-03-18 14:25 <C-Keen> when I plug in the cable the LED blinks once then remains dark
2011-03-18 14:25 <wpwrak> no. ignore the power button. short pins, keeping them sorted. plug usb. unshort pins. check lsusb.
2011-03-18 14:26 <C-Keen> ah
2011-03-18 14:26 <wpwrak> the led doesn't provide useful information. (it's part of the charging logic, not controlled by the cpu)
2011-03-18 14:27 <wpwrak> there are a lot of little things that don't quite work the way ones it used to :)
2011-03-18 14:27 <wpwrak> s/it/is/
2011-03-18 14:27 <C-Keen> ok I got it again
2011-03-18 14:27 <C-Keen> booted the two stages
2011-03-18 14:27 <C-Keen> erased the nand
2011-03-18 14:27 <wpwrak> ah, and when you power cycle usb, disconnect for at least 15 seconds. if you disconnect only briefly, the machine may shut down but not come up again
2011-03-18 14:28 <C-Keen> ah
2011-03-18 14:28 <wpwrak> but if you get a response from usbboot, it's fine
2011-03-18 14:28 <C-Keen> does erase put the cells into 0x00 of 0xff?
2011-03-18 14:28 <wpwrak> i was asking myself that same question when you mentioned the 0x14 vs. 0x34 :)
2011-03-18 14:29 <C-Keen> heh
2011-03-18 14:29 <C-Keen> now I do nprog 0 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-u-boot.img 0 0 -n
2011-03-18 14:29 <wolfspraul> I wouldn't trust usbboot output 0x14 vs 0x34
2011-03-18 14:30 <wolfspraul> I only see that it has failed, that is reliable.
2011-03-18 14:30 <C-Keen> with the uboot image from 2010-12-14
2011-03-18 14:30 <wolfspraul> usbboot error handling is horrible, very buggy
2011-03-18 14:30 <C-Keen> now I get a different error though
2011-03-18 14:30 <wpwrak> normally, the erased value should be 0xff
2011-03-18 14:31 <wolfspraul> which usbboot are you using?
2011-03-18 14:31 <C-Keen> Error - can't read bulk data from ingenic device:64
2011-03-18 14:31 <wolfspraul> I'm wondering whether the latest usbboot is buggy.
2011-03-18 14:31 <C-Keen> After Finish!
2011-03-18 14:31 <C-Keen> so it seems it cannot read back data
2011-03-18 14:31 <wolfspraul> try this:
2011-03-18 14:31 <wolfspraul> disconnect the Ben, remove battery, wait 15 seconds
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> press 'u', reconnect usb cable
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> see whether it comes up in lsusb
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> if it does, that means the u-boot in nand is now working
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> because when you press 'u', that is actually handled by u-boot
2011-03-18 14:32 <C-Keen> ot does
2011-03-18 14:32 <C-Keen> hah
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> well good
2011-03-18 14:32 <C-Keen> good idea
2011-03-18 14:32 <wolfspraul> try flashing the Linux kernel now
2011-03-18 14:33 <wolfspraul> usbboot is buggy, I don't like it. so when I have to reflash many devices, I always only flash u-boot via usbboot, the rest I do by booting Linux from SD card, then I format/flash everything else in NAND from there
2011-03-18 14:34 <wolfspraul> if it's just my own Ben, ok I run reflash_ben.sh and hope for the best :-)
2011-03-18 14:34 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: ah, yeah I am still waiting for the microSD to arrive :/
2011-03-18 14:36 <wpwrak> wishlist/dream item for ya: a ROM boot loader that can boot from FAT-formatted SD :)
2011-03-18 14:36 <wolfspraul> C-Keen: try flashing just the Linux kernel now, with another nprog
2011-03-18 14:36 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: did so
2011-03-18 14:37 <wolfspraul> let's go step by step
2011-03-18 14:37 <wolfspraul> and?
2011-03-18 14:37 <wolfspraul> any errors in usbboot?
2011-03-18 14:37 <C-Keen> yeah the same when reading back data
2011-03-18 14:37 <C-Keen> not the same content of course but the message is the same
2011-03-18 14:37 <wolfspraul> but flashing the pages itself resulted in SUCCESS messages?
2011-03-18 14:37 <wolfspraul> just try rebooting again
2011-03-18 14:37 <wpwrak> what content does it show ?
2011-03-18 14:38 <wpwrak> maybe put the whole dialog in a pastebin
2011-03-18 14:38 <C-Keen> yes the errors are shown after the Finish! message
2011-03-18 14:38 <wolfspraul> with Linux kernel in NAND, you should see it coming up, and eventually run into an error that it cannot find the rootfs
2011-03-18 14:38 <wpwrak> like http://pastebin.com/
2011-03-18 14:38 <wolfspraul> when rebooting, remember the sequence: complete power cycle (cable off, remove batter), wait 15 seconds, usb cable back on
2011-03-18 14:39 <C-Keen> it comes up saying Bad Data CRC
2011-03-18 14:39 <C-Keen> so I guess the kernel image was not transferred correctly
2011-03-18 14:39 <wpwrak> sounds like a high error rate on USB
2011-03-18 14:39 <wolfspraul> try nerase before nprog
2011-03-18 14:40 <wolfspraul> just need to get the parameters right to keep u-boot safe :-)
2011-03-18 14:42 <C-Keen> nerase 1024 30722 0 0 ?
2011-03-18 14:42 <C-Keen> oops
2011-03-18 14:42 <C-Keen> nerase 1024 3072 0 0 ?
2011-03-18 14:42 <wolfspraul> no
2011-03-18 14:42 <larsc> nprog runs an implicit erase
2011-03-18 14:42 <wolfspraul> nerase counts in eraseblocks I think
2011-03-18 14:42 <C-Keen> ah maybe I did the initial erase wrong too
2011-03-18 14:43 <C-Keen> I have been following the updating ben with usbboot page
2011-03-18 14:43 <wolfspraul> why did you run these commands manually in the first place, and not just reflash_ben.sh ?
2011-03-18 14:44 <wolfspraul> (just curious)
2011-03-18 14:45 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: because reflash_ben.sh aborted with Error: can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:64
2011-03-18 14:45 <wolfspraul> ok
2011-03-18 14:45 <C-Keen> mixed with Error: can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:3008
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> maybe 'nerase 8 8 0 0' could do?
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> just try, your NAND is fair game anyway now...
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-03-18 14:46 <C-Keen> it is
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> try 'boot' then 'nerase 8 8 0 0' then nprog Linux kernel...
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> then reboot
2011-03-18 14:46 <wolfspraul> see whether you still have the CRC error
2011-03-18 14:47 <wolfspraul> if larsc says it's implicit then he probably has a point, but that's what I would still try. I've seen too many surprises with usbboot.
2011-03-18 14:47 <C-Keen> no the nprog's last error message is now can't retrieve XBurst CPU information: -110 Device unboot! Boot it first!
2011-03-18 14:48 <wolfspraul> can't follow you
2011-03-18 14:48 <wolfspraul> start from a complete power-off ben
2011-03-18 14:48 <C-Keen> check
2011-03-18 14:48 <wolfspraul> press 'u' (if you have a working u-boot in nand)
2011-03-18 14:48 <wolfspraul> connect usb cable
2011-03-18 14:48 <wolfspraul> start 'usbboot' on host
2011-03-18 14:49 <larsc> btw. there is a very nice usbboot replacement jzboot http://git.whitequark.org/jzboot.git
2011-03-18 14:49 <wolfspraul> type 'boot', <enter>, 'nerase 8 8 0 0', <enter>
2011-03-18 14:50 <C-Keen> Done so: Finish! Return: 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00
2011-03-18 14:50 <wolfspraul> larsc: wow great, thanks for the link!
2011-03-18 14:50 <wolfspraul> C-Keen: now the Linux kernel nprog, as before
2011-03-18 14:51 <wolfspraul> maybe we can include jzboot in xburst-tools
2011-03-18 14:52 <wpwrak> (nerase 8 8 0 0) with some fonts, this looks almost like "zero zero zero zero", not "eight eight zero zero"
2011-03-18 14:52 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: http://pastebin.com/ZKCjWdR4
2011-03-18 14:55 <C-Keen> uboot version 201103 btw
2011-03-18 14:55 <C-Keen> * usbboot
2011-03-18 14:57 <wolfspraul> C-Keen: can you try to reflash from another host computer?
2011-03-18 14:57 <wpwrak> i wonder if "can't read bulk data from Ingenic" means a usb_read error or a failed data comparison
2011-03-18 14:57 <wolfspraul> I'd say usb read error
2011-03-18 14:57 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: hm, this is my only linux host. Do the xburst tools work on *BSD also?
2011-03-18 14:57 <wolfspraul> doesn't mean much, it's a catch all
2011-03-18 14:58 <wpwrak> (usb read err) then it would be surprising that we don't also see usb write errors
2011-03-18 14:58 <wolfspraul> he, never tried
2011-03-18 14:58 <wolfspraul> since you seem to have a working u-boot in nand, the other option is via sd
2011-03-18 14:59 <wolfspraul> the 'skip bad block' may mean that you have a bad block early in nand, where the Linux kernel sits
2011-03-18 14:59 <wolfspraul> I'm wondering whether the FORCEERASE flag is 1
2011-03-18 14:59 <wolfspraul> how did you install xburst-tools?
2011-03-18 14:59 <C-Keen> via dpkg from http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/
2011-03-18 15:00 <wolfspraul> we should definitely try this jzboot larsc pointed out. It's almost impossible to be worse than usbboot, so it must be better :-)
2011-03-18 15:00 <C-Keen> this is a debian system
2011-03-18 15:00 <C-Keen> 32 bit
2011-03-18 15:00 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: ;-)
2011-03-18 15:01 <wolfspraul> can you try the 2010-12-24 version?
2011-03-18 15:01 <wolfspraul> there was this mail from kyak last saturday that suggested that the latest binary may be buggy/have a regression
2011-03-18 15:01 <wolfspraul> no reply from xiangfu yet
2011-03-18 15:01 <C-Keen> wolfspraul: 2010-12-24 of what?
2011-03-18 15:01 <wolfspraul> C-Keen: xburst-tools
2011-03-18 15:02 <wolfspraul> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/64/
2011-03-18 15:02 <wolfspraul> if that doesn't work my only other ideas would be a different host computer, or boot from SD and then flash nand from there
2011-03-18 15:04 <C-Keen> same errors
2011-03-18 15:06 <wolfspraul> does your current machine have other USB ports?
2011-03-18 15:06 <wolfspraul> you can also try to use a usb hub in between, if you have one
2011-03-18 15:07 <wolfspraul> mostly you will read "no usb hub", but actually sometimes a usb hub can make such problems go away
2011-03-18 15:09 <C-Keen> hm
2011-03-18 15:11 <wpwrak> maybe a different USB cable
2011-03-18 15:11 <C-Keen> or a different machine... :/
2011-03-18 15:11 <C-Keen> I just retried with nothing else connected to the usb host
2011-03-18 15:14 <wolfspraul> I don't think that will make a difference
2011-03-18 15:14 <wolfspraul> if you have an external usb hub, try connecting the Nano behind the usb hub
2011-03-18 15:14 <wolfspraul> but only if you have one flying around somewhere
2011-03-18 15:14 <wolfspraul> better approach would be to try a different host, or to boot from SD
2011-03-18 15:14 <wolfspraul> or to try jzboot
2011-03-18 15:15 <wolfspraul> or xbboot even, not sure whether we have a working zimage+initramfs now
2011-03-18 15:19 <wolfspraul> there is a boot-zImage.sh, did your xburst-tools install that?
2011-03-18 15:21 <wolfspraul> I need to ask xiangfu about the status of it, can't find a zimage for download now...
2011-03-18 15:21 <C-Keen> no
2011-03-18 15:23 <wolfspraul> there is one http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.xbboot-02152011-0100/openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-zImage.bin
2011-03-18 15:24 <wolfspraul> it's a long shot, but try to wget that file, then xbboot -u 0x80600000 /PATH/TO/zImage.bin
2011-03-18 15:24 <wolfspraul> I'm just curious whether that boots, even if it does I don't know how you can then reflash your nand :-)
2011-03-18 15:25 <C-Keen> plays the lab rat
2011-03-18 15:25 <wolfspraul> xbboot reuses the same stage1 as usbboot though, so if there is a low-level usb problem, it will show here as well
2011-03-18 15:29 <C-Keen> hm, I think the usb host is broken
2011-03-18 15:29 <C-Keen> [  662.766052] usb 1-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd xbboot rqt 64 rq 1 len 0 ret -110
2011-03-18 15:29 <C-Keen> form dmesg
2011-03-18 15:30 <C-Keen> I will try booting a live cd on another machine
2011-03-18 15:30 <C-Keen> bbl
2011-03-18 15:32 <wolfspraul> you can try rebooting the host too, of course
2011-03-18 15:32 <wolfspraul> I read the backlog, good luck! we'll get the Ben back up, I'm sure...
2011-03-18 15:33 <wolfspraul> (this -110 thing from xbboot looks like the usbboot bugs btw, and since it reuses the same stage1 that may just mean that the xbboot idea won't help now)
2011-03-18 15:33 <wolfspraul> that leaves: different host computer, boot from sd, jzboot
2011-03-18 15:33 <wolfspraul> n8
2011-03-18 15:39 <wpwrak> -110 is a timeout. really sounds like usb physical layer
2011-03-18 15:45 <larsc> well
2011-03-18 15:45 <larsc> if the device doesn't reponse you'll get a 110
2011-03-18 15:47 <wpwrak> yup. and combined with the communication working (most/all of the time) for a bit of control but never/rarely for bulk, this looks like a high BER
2011-03-18 15:48 <wpwrak> if BER is high enough, bits of nastiness will also slip past the USB CRC, which would explain the verification errors
2011-03-18 15:49 <wpwrak> that's for BER ranges that still don't cause a total breakdown. just an error that gets to user space every so many thousand packets
2011-03-18 15:50 <wpwrak> i had this happen in ben-wpan/cntr when my TVS has too large a capacitance. it's easy to detect if you add some more redundancy and test that as well
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: RTC: Add support for the JZ4760 SoC to the rtc-jz4740 driver http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/afcc6b4
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: JZ47XX: Fix JZ4760 access to vmalloc'ed memory http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/0183861
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: JZ47XX: Add GPIO ports for JZ4760 and some JZ4760 pin defintions http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ae4e7f0
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: JZ47XX: Add PWM support for JZ4760 http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/f399709
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ47XX: Further generalize clock support http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/c1e9dbc
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: FBDEV: JZ4740: Add basic jz4760 support http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/2f1f65e
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MMC: Make the JZ4740 driver availabe on JZ4760 http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/305091d
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4760: Add more platform device defintions http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/f7ff3ac
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: Fix NR_IRQS http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ec99009
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4760: Fix NR_IRQS http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/22e8c09
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4760: lepus: Register more peripherals http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/d85e1af
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4750: xz0032: Fix gpio-charger platform data http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b3f02bb
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MMC: JZ4740: Drop clock_id field from platform data http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/f61158c
2011-03-18 15:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: Fix pwm http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6b01526
2011-03-18 15:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: BOOKSHELF.ingenic: partially resurrected for it's merely in the twilight http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/3d61f78
2011-03-18 16:19 <rejon> lots of commits!
2011-03-18 16:19 <rejon> shit
2011-03-18 16:37 <kyak> got Nook Color :) already tired of scrolling down through "Terms and Conditions" :)
2011-03-18 16:38 <kyak> don't be jealous, this one is for my wife.. though i'm scratching my hands to root it
2011-03-18 16:38 <larsc> there must be a gpl license in there somewhere
2011-03-18 16:39 <kyak> it's Android-based, so yes, somewhere must be something
2011-03-18 17:24 <rjeffries> wpwral possibly useful info re PCB manufacturing http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/03/18/quirks-of-pcb-manufacturing-at-itead/
2011-03-18 17:31 <rjeffries> this will not work for pcbs that plug into 8:10 slot due to thickness. still interestingt IMO
2011-03-18 17:31 <rjeffries> http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_20&products_id=175
2011-03-18 17:32 <wpwrak> rjeffries: yeah, parameters of the lower end of the standard range. that via hole really shouldn't have happened, though. i do that kind of stuff by hand on a particularly clumsy day :)
2011-03-18 17:33 <wpwrak> there's a surprisingly large number of pcb shops that have good prices but can only do 1.6 mm. i wonder why. you need 0.8 mm for more and more things these days.
2011-03-18 17:45 <lekernel> wpwrak: not for arduino hacks
2011-03-18 17:48 <wpwrak> lekernel: true. there, a plank of wood, a bit of wire, and a hammer should do
2011-03-18 17:52 <rjeffries> speaking of arduino ;) wpwrak would it be feasible to interface Ben via SPI to this Arduino that has Ethernet?
2011-03-18 17:52 <rjeffries> wpwrak http://www.freetronics.com/blogs/news/2866922-etherten-production-has-begun-arduino-with-built-in-ethernet
2011-03-18 17:52 <C-Keen> wpwrak: success in flashing kernel on another host. Seems the usb chip has some physical problems on the other machine
2011-03-18 17:54 <wpwrak> C-Keen: congratulations on the success ! yeah, usb can sometimes be odd. hard to tell which side is to blame
2011-03-18 17:55 <C-Keen> wpwrak: I think I will blame this old machine
2011-03-18 17:57 <wpwrak> rjeffries: dunno. if they didn't use both SPI ports (i've seen two in atmegas, one shared with icsp and the other shared with the uart), then yes. otherwise maybe. i don't see the schematics.
2011-03-18 17:59 <C-Keen> smiles at the SUCCESS messages scrolling by
2011-03-18 18:04 <rjeffries> wpwrak I have sent message to @JonOxner asking for EtherTen schematics
2011-03-18 19:17 <rjeffries> david K check your PayPay ypou should have my payment. I sent 2x what you requested. hope that is OK. ;)
2011-03-18 19:19 <kristianpaul> :o :-)
2011-03-18 19:19 <kristianpaul> thats sharims my friend !!
2011-03-18 19:19 <kristianpaul> sharism**
2011-03-18 19:23 <tuxbrain> rjeffries: (spi com) It can take me some time but I'm on it, I think is totally posible, I see various examples on avr spi slave code
2011-03-18 19:30 <rejon> man, i need one of those UBB
2011-03-18 19:30 <rejon> those are cool
2011-03-18 19:30 <rejon> does wolfgang have one?
2011-03-18 19:30 <rejon> spending next 3 weeks in beijing
2011-03-18 19:31 <kristianpaul> rejon: i bet you can get manufactured some UBB at beijing in the meantime there :-)
2011-03-18 19:31 <rejon> ha
2011-03-18 19:34 <kristianpaul> streetjob <- words from wolfgang
2011-03-18 19:35 <tuxbrain> rejon: you will come to EU some time soon?
2011-03-18 19:36 <rejon> sometime
2011-03-18 19:36 <rejon> june
2011-03-18 19:36 <rejon> kristianpaul wolfgang said making UBB Is a streetjob?
2011-03-18 19:36 <rejon> like they will make on the street?
2011-03-18 19:37 <tuxbrain> rejon: some video to make you a little bit more anxious to have one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij6UERBt0qQ
2011-03-18 19:37 <kristianpaul> he said that when he manufacture a UBB early version i remenber
2011-03-18 19:37 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: you have a nice camera !!
2011-03-18 19:38 <kristianpaul> I cant get that zoom with mine :/
2011-03-18 19:38 <tuxbrain> nah! a really cheap one is not zoom is that it is really really close :)
2011-03-18 19:38 <kristianpaul> jaja
2011-03-18 19:39 <kristianpaul> nice trick
2011-03-18 19:39 <rejon> tuxbrain totally
2011-03-18 19:40 <C-Keen> wow
2011-03-18 19:40 <C-Keen> the latest release for qi openwrt has improved a lot since the one my ben nanonote came with
2011-03-18 19:41 <C-Keen> thanks for all the patient support again! I will stick around in case I can help someday as well
2011-03-18 19:41 <tuxbrain> C_Keen yeah!
2011-03-18 19:42 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: yuo are beating all those ISCP programmers out there, you know that !
2011-03-18 19:47 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: or at least making coolest videos than they :)
2011-03-18 19:47 <kristianpaul> hahah ;)
2011-03-18 20:00 <kristianpaul> larsc: how long take to run linux on that color dictionary before havint the ben as is know today?
2011-03-18 20:02 <larsc> kristianpaul: hm, i think i got my hands on it for the first time in late 2009
2011-03-18 20:05 <larsc> actually i think it was mid 2009
2011-03-18 20:06 <larsc> the kernel patches were merged upstream roughly a year after we started development
2011-03-18 20:13 <kristianpaul> okay, i was thiking same  (1 year)
2011-03-18 20:13 <kristianpaul> for a official upstream support of course :-)
2011-03-18 20:14 <larsc> found a blog post by mirco, apperently we started working on it in august
2011-03-18 20:15 <kristianpaul> oh, thats a half
2011-03-18 20:15 <kristianpaul> + year
2011-03-18 20:15 <kristianpaul> ok
2011-03-18 20:19 <larsc> but you have to keep in mind that this was done in my free time
2011-03-18 20:19 <kristianpaul> hmm true
2011-03-18 20:20 <kristianpaul> okay i'll expecify that 1 and half year is not measured in work hours per men ;)
2011-03-18 20:20 <kristianpaul> man*
2011-03-18 20:22 <larsc> fulltime it would probably be 2 months
2011-03-18 20:30 <larsc> btw. anyone needs linux support for some device? me needs a job...
2011-03-18 20:30 <viric> I wish to be in a position to give jobs like that!
2011-03-18 20:39 <kristianpaul> I may need a php developer next month afaik :/
2011-03-18 20:56 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: nice video ! ;-)
2011-03-18 21:00 <wpwrak> larsc: hmm, you may find out that 1 part-time-student-year translates to at least the same amount of time of regular 9-5 cubicle work ;-)
2011-03-18 21:07 <larsc> well it was more like irregular weekends and late night rather then part-time
2011-03-18 21:08 <wpwrak> i.e., all the really productive time :)
2011-03-18 21:16 <larsc> wont say anything against that
2011-03-18 21:18 <larsc> just saying if i had to start from scratch now i would be were we are now less than 2 months. buts thats partly due to that i know the hw and its pitfalls
2011-03-18 21:21 <wpwrak> ah yes, knowing where the traps are helps, too ;-)
2011-03-18 21:43 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: summarizing 40 mins in just 5 was not easy, well not until I found the right music :)
2011-03-18 21:44 <tuxbrain> Is curious how the creative part of mind works...
2011-03-18 21:45 <tuxbrain> btw the ardunote video has reach the thousand barrier :)
2011-03-18 21:45 <wpwrak> when will you get the next batch of UBB made ? ;-)
2011-03-18 21:48 <wpwrak> btw, the message that people want to own more than just 1-2 UBBs seems harder to convey than i thought. maybe you need some simple circuit, make a few variations of it (e.g., change LED colors), and show a bundle of them. so that people see several UBBs in use (soldered, not powered) simultaneously.
2011-03-18 21:50 <wpwrak> of course, the price-splitting "competition" will eventually disappear. e.g., dvdk is probably already sorry to have offered the mailing. he must have spent hours on the logistics.
2011-03-18 21:53 <wpwrak> alas, once the "splitters" vanish, people will come to pester you with requests for 1-2 units
2011-03-18 21:56 <kristianpaul> ( part-time-student-year regular 9-5 cubicle work) oh, yes, i agree
2011-03-18 21:59 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: do you know why many office buildings have a raised floor ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_floor
2011-03-18 22:01 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: no, is not a datacenter thing, thats all? isnt?..
2011-03-18 22:02 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: for me is no problem to serve in 1 or 2 units :) is just one item in the shop already created :), I also have just created an "cable" kit bag https://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1899
2011-03-18 22:02 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: well, the real reason is that, when your productivity in that cubicle farm drops through the floor, it doesn't hit concrete
2011-03-18 22:02 <viric> does anybody understand anything about optical media? cd-rw
2011-03-18 22:03 <kristianpaul> 0_o
2011-03-18 22:03 <viric> I record it, I can mount it later... but once I eject it, it does not work in any computer anymore.
2011-03-18 22:03 <viric> It's like if the room light broke it
2011-03-18 22:03 <tuxbrain> but yes, I agree we must do more example
2011-03-18 22:04 <kristianpaul> (room light broke it) hmm hard to believe..
2011-03-18 22:04 <kristianpaul> may be just scratched disk viric ?
2011-03-18 22:05 <tuxbrain> It can be just of defective  cd-r...
2011-03-18 22:05 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: ah, you removed the quantity discounts
2011-03-18 22:05 <tuxbrain> in the just one unit yes, but the multiple bags still there
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> kristianpaul: but it works perfectly until I eject it
2011-03-18 22:06 <wpwrak> viric: so you bought the cheap transylvanian discs ?
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> it's cdrw, not cdr.
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> wpwrak: seems like so!
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> I'll try closing all room light :D
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> 'switching off'
2011-03-18 22:06 <wpwrak> and hide the garlic !
2011-03-18 22:06 <viric> oh yes
2011-03-18 22:06 <tuxbrain> XD
2011-03-18 22:07 <viric> well, the cdrw are old... two of them (all I tested) have this behaviour
2011-03-18 22:07 <viric> btw, any xorriso-aware person here?
2011-03-18 22:07 <viric> I can't make it write an iso.
2011-03-18 22:08 <kristianpaul> well my cdrw writer failed this year, no reason, and i never used more than twice :/
2011-03-18 22:10 <kristianpaul> viric: may be you need once of those to be sure you dont lost data again http://ur1.ca/3kjjm ;-)
2011-03-18 22:11 <viric> hm I'll read the article
2011-03-18 22:14 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: (floor) the office in wich i work, dont have a raised floor, but is in a second floor, i hope that help a bit ;-)
2011-03-18 22:16 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: hmm. perhaps that's the reason why accounting, legal, etc., and particularly upper management usually occupy the higher floors
2011-03-18 22:41 <tuxbrain> mmm maybe is time to knock the door of a big one :) http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/17/arduino-and-nanonote/
2011-03-18 22:44 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: cheers !!
2011-03-18 22:44 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: i'm amazed how the arduino word can spread over the world so fast
2011-03-18 22:44 <wpwrak> "Prove you are human by reading this resistor" ;-))
2011-03-18 22:44 <kristianpaul> lol
2011-03-18 22:45 <wpwrak> they should remove the sliders. just ask for the value.
2011-03-18 22:46 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: do you remember anyone ever using the acceleration sensor of gta02 to make a "mouse" ?
2011-03-18 22:47 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: i kinda wonder if this sort of thing would be feasible
2011-03-18 22:48 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: because if it is, one could make a nice little mouse for the ben, too
2011-03-18 22:48 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: I remember a touchscreen ->mouse, and there was the mokomaze with very smooth movements , so I think is totally feasible
2011-03-18 22:50 <tuxbrain> but... you think move the whole device to have mouse is ergonomic? (cool there is not doubt) but I should preffer a touchscreen ... really
2011-03-18 22:50 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: i'm thinking of double integration to turn acceleration into position. plus noise filtering for the clicks.
2011-03-18 22:51 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: yes, mouse ergonomics. sure, touch screen would be nicer. but, given the current ben ...
2011-03-18 22:51 <tuxbrain> mmmm , an 8:10 mouse....
2011-03-18 22:51 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: besides, it would be another "cool accessory"
2011-03-18 22:52 <rjeffries> wpwrak schematics for Arduino clone with Ethernet: (see DF reference near bottom) http://www.freetronics.com/products/etherten
2011-03-18 22:52 <kristianpaul> tought about making a UBB a play/stop/forward control for GMU
2011-03-18 22:53 <tuxbrain> rjeffries there is also SPI ethernet modules out there, smaller than a full arduino that can be used for have ethernet conenctivitiy in NN is matter to make the software to make it work
2011-03-18 22:54 <kristianpaul> have ethernet in his plans, but need get sone some ther tasks before start that
2011-03-18 22:54 <tuxbrain> There is any software dude that can helpme on an nanonote Arduino IDE?
2011-03-18 22:54 <rjeffries> tuxbrain VERY nice job on the UBB with instructons and ribbon cable
2011-03-18 22:54 <kristianpaul> so rjeffries feel free !
2011-03-18 22:55 <tuxbrain> thaks rjeffries :)
2011-03-18 22:55 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: why not just run jlime and ran a python ide for arduino?
2011-03-18 22:55 <kristianpaul> i think there are some already
2011-03-18 22:55 <rjeffries> thank kristian[pau;. I can always rely on you and lekernel
2011-03-18 22:55 <kristianpaul> i hope lighter than java i hope
2011-03-18 22:55 <tuxbrain> yeah there is phyton and qt IDE but they are thinked for bigger screens
2011-03-18 22:55 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: mainlly you need an editor
2011-03-18 22:56 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: find it, and hack the other buttons is the easy part i guess
2011-03-18 22:56 <kristianpaul> at leas pinguino projected started like that
2011-03-18 22:56 <kristianpaul> editor/text editor/s
2011-03-18 22:56 <kristianpaul> hey why not nano?
2011-03-18 22:57 <kristianpaul> :-)
2011-03-18 22:57 <tuxbrain> Arduino guys will prefer graphical IDE, they are scared by shell.... (sigh)
2011-03-18 22:58 <kristianpaul> oh welll
2011-03-18 22:58 <kristianpaul> you need a nano SDL port ;-)
2011-03-18 22:58 <kristianpaul> xedit, but that for X
2011-03-18 22:58 <tuxbrain> yes I need to find a text editor able to do code coloring, and add the creation of the make file and run make and avrdude in the backend
2011-03-18 22:58 <kristianpaul> and wait in jlime there is a gtkeditor
2011-03-18 22:58 <tuxbrain> SDL is a pain on text
2011-03-18 22:58 <kristianpaul> X way to go then
2011-03-18 22:59 <kristianpaul> gtkeditor is in jlime already
2011-03-18 22:59 <kristianpaul> but color hmm
2011-03-18 22:59 <kristianpaul> you ask for so much.. ;-)
2011-03-18 22:59 <tuxbrain> they have fixed the gtk problem with open/save file dialogs?
2011-03-18 22:59 <wpwrak> echo "!! your project here" >foo; while vi foo; do sed /!!/d foo >foo.c; make 2>&1 | sed s/^!!/ | cat - foo.c >foo; [ do-the-pipestatus-thing ] && avrdude ...; done
2011-03-18 23:00 <kristianpaul> :D
2011-03-18 23:00 <tuxbrain> hahahaahaahaahaah
2011-03-18 23:01 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: nano have colors support, is just matter of add some files
2011-03-18 23:01 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: you wanna make the arduino guy piss in his pants isn't it?
2011-03-18 23:02 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: you mean because my UI is superior ? ;-)
2011-03-18 23:02 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: i insist add some color even short cuts and nanote can slightly pass as an IDE for then
2011-03-18 23:02 <kristianpaul> s/nanonote/nano
2011-03-18 23:02 <kristianpaul> cheers wpwrak UI
2011-03-18 23:03 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: yeah also joe, but again... if we wanna hit the "arduino" average user, we must go to the hard part and make a grapical IDE...
2011-03-18 23:03 <kristianpaul> grapical = lots of buttons?
2011-03-18 23:03 <kristianpaul> :-)
2011-03-18 23:03 <tuxbrain> to hit the avr crowd (hail!) the nano aproach is more than efficient
2011-03-18 23:04 <tuxbrain> but as you have see , say avr and few will look say Arduino and even your grandma will head up
2011-03-18 23:06 <tuxbrain> I'm thinking even to mimic the Arduino IDE colour schem and icons whatever posible but having in mind the 320x200 limits
2011-03-18 23:06 <tuxbrain> but yes at the end is just an editor with some extra funtions
2011-03-18 23:08 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: you probably want an editor with very smooth handling of lines wider than the screen.
2011-03-18 23:09 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: yeah!
2011-03-18 23:10 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: what if you stick editor to screen and "IDE" buttons to keyboard, i guess you dont mind labeling functions keys with some arduino-ide-like pics?
2011-03-18 23:10 <kristianpaul> even better
2011-03-18 23:11 <kristianpaul> use the space up the function keys
2011-03-18 23:11 <kristianpaul> thre is plenty of space thre for labeling
2011-03-18 23:11 <kristianpaul> just discover a horrible dust in the center of his nanonote screen :-/
2011-03-18 23:12 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: not a bad idea dude!!!!
2011-03-18 23:12 <kristianpaul> he, finally ! :-)
2011-03-18 23:17 <tuxbrain> wich starting point you recomend, leapfrog, or at least with widget set (gtk, qt, tlc, sdl(no way due no text input clean solution))
2011-03-18 23:17 <tuxbrain> that works on frambuffer of course
2011-03-18 23:18 <kristianpaul> you need compare how text visualices there
2011-03-18 23:18 <tuxbrain> realize he is totally dumb in C
2011-03-18 23:19 <tuxbrain> but to make something efficient an quik is the way to go
2011-03-18 23:20 <tuxbrain> If I not remember bad qt renders it pretty good in his demo editor
2011-03-18 23:20 <kristianpaul> there are many way to go, even in C i think
2011-03-18 23:21 <tuxbrain> how is the state on the qt libs in actual distros?
2011-03-18 23:22 <whitequark> tuxbrain: if you mean desktop ones, then very good. it's the framework kde is based on
2011-03-18 23:23 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: nanomap runs, and some other Qt demos, thats much to say i think
2011-03-18 23:23 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: i think also at UNAL where using Qt IDE for making some stuff for SIE i remenber
2011-03-18 23:25 <tuxbrain> whitequark: sorry I'm refering to the Nanonote distros :)
2011-03-18 23:25 <kristianpaul> Qt creator i think..
2011-03-18 23:26 <kristianpaul> also there are instructiosn for cross compile if you look at SIE archives at wiki
2011-03-18 23:26 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: good, then I can start playing with qt-designer
2011-03-18 23:26 <kristianpaul> ya that one
2011-03-18 23:28 <rjeffries> tuxbrain is famous http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=10247
2011-03-18 23:29 <tuxbrain> yeah!
2011-03-18 23:30 <tuxbrain> geek proud is out of bounds
2011-03-18 23:30 <rjeffries> remembers way way back when I suggested Ben to Arduino on the list and recieved very loud SILENCE. ;)
2011-03-18 23:30 <tuxbrain> rjeffries: I'm sorry but I have prior art on this :P
2011-03-18 23:31 <rjeffries> tuxbrain what you and wprwak have accomplished with Ben to Arduino should give wolfgang a nice increment in Ben sales
2011-03-18 23:31 <tuxbrain> I have proposed Arduino/NN stuff before you come in scenne
2011-03-18 23:31 <rjeffries> challenges tucbrain as patent troll. <g>
2011-03-18 23:32 <rjeffries> well I just hope this gets the publicity it deserves
2011-03-18 23:33 <rjeffries> wolfgang consider approaching Adafruit industries to get them to be USA distributor ofr Nanonote
2011-03-18 23:33 <rjeffries> they can sell it as a clever Arduino programmer.
2011-03-18 23:33 <rjeffries> why not?
2011-03-18 23:33 <rjeffries> s/ofr/for
2011-03-18 23:36 <tuxbrain> rjeffries: look at archives for a post "Ya (or Mu suggestions)" on 30/07/09 :)
2011-03-18 23:36 <tuxbrain> rjeffries: wolfspraul wil have a lot more chances to success with even a proto graphical IDE on it.
2011-03-18 23:37 <rjeffries> that is indeed very early Tuxbrain the ink was not yet dry on the qi-hardware site
2011-03-18 23:37 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: hmm, didn't you post the arduino-loves-ben on a site like hackaday ? i forgot the exact place
2011-03-18 23:37 <rjeffries> that was in the Steve Mosher days. he has sadly passed on I guess. may he RIP. ;)
2011-03-18 23:38 <rjeffries> I wish I would have NOT returned the pre-Ben with Chinese keyboard I had in my possesion. a true collector's item
2011-03-18 23:38 <tuxbrain> Sure Steve will at least smile if he saw the Ardunano stuff :)
2011-03-18 23:39 <rjeffries> i'll send him a link on FB
2011-03-18 23:39 <tuxbrain> rjeffries: please let me do so :)
2011-03-18 23:41 <rjeffries> tuxbrain sorry i was already in FB only saw your comment when I returned here.
2011-03-18 23:41 <tuxbrain> you are old but quick dude :P
2011-03-18 23:42 <rjeffries> that is exactly my wife's complaint ;)
2011-03-18 23:42 <tuxbrain> xD
2011-03-18 23:59 <tuxbrain> I have been splitted don't know if you have read this
2011-03-18 23:59 <tuxbrain> wolfspraul: >1000 views, published in http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=10247 and http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/17/arduino-and-nanonote/ , I think time to work in a proto Ardunote IDE to catch even more atention