2011-03-12 08:12 hm.. it seems that none of the USB gadgets work except for Ethernet 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben/Makefile: added generation of some fab files (in progress) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/74ed5d8 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben/README-PCB: added manufacturing specification/instructions (in progress) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/021ccde 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile: clean up handing of boot loader base address http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/edfb8a9 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile (prog): corrected boot loader size in hfuse http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e29046d 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile: added auxiliary Flash programming target (for development) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f87bdce 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/flash.c: implemented flash_can_write and flash_read (were stubs) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/553c981 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/flash.c: simplified logic of flash_write and corrected several small bugs http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2978afe 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw: introduced function flash_end_write to properly finish flashing http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c265151 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/usb/atu2.c (handle_ep): cancel RX/TX if we receive a SETUP http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e5571a2 2011-03-12 08:28 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw: implemented USB bus reset (to host) and polling of reset from host http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d233c04 2011-03-12 09:02 wpwrak: need the files, I have no f&7ing idea on how to generate them, I never see any cad/cam software apart of autocad14 in tech drawing practice at school ... 15years ago. 2011-03-12 09:05 wpwrak: send me an email I will be not online all weekend 2011-03-12 10:07 kyak: I want to try to get keyboard and mouse usb gadgets to work, so the ben can act as a controller for milkymist one 2011-03-12 10:07 but I think they don't even exist in kernel.org yet :-) 2011-03-12 10:28 wolfspraul: yeah, there is only limited number of usb gadget drivers, at least what i see in 2.6.32 2011-03-12 10:29 wolfspraul: there is usb audio gadget, which (theoretically) could "forward" Ben's ALSA outpust via USB to a host PC. So Ben would act like USB audio card 2011-03-12 10:29 i don't know the use case, but sounds fun :) 2011-03-12 10:31 Well, better than buying a USB sound card 2011-03-12 10:31 I guess it could be useful for people who do mixes and need two different outputs 2011-03-12 10:31 :D 2011-03-12 11:07 wpwrak:( make gerber) I cant be much thankful and happy, i hope tuxbrain_away too :-) 2011-03-12 11:07 wpwrak: : well, i need apply wolfspraul patches, but thats a worth task for sure 2011-03-12 11:14 wolfspraul: nanonote and milkymist (hid way), it sounds good but is not a bit ironic when you miss the the LCM part ;-), well i think 2011-03-12 11:14 I agree is a valida accesory 2011-03-12 11:14 valid* 2011-03-12 11:14 I'm embarassingly behind on those. first the new bugs/features from werner, then my proposal for upstreaming which I never followed up on. argh. 2011-03-12 11:15 kristianpaul: maybe this is helpful http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup#KiCad 2011-03-12 11:15 the wolfspraul patches are merged with the wpwrak patches, so it's only 1 patchset actually 2011-03-12 11:16 kyak: (semn audio) there is person working asking and working on that path, and asked here several times, i hope he read the backlog :-) 2011-03-12 11:16 ah, are/were two patches... ok, i'll check wiki page you pointed 2011-03-12 11:29 wolfspraul I was organizing the buy group last week, after around 10 person a i mailed wich we're interested or tell me i want one, just 2 confirmed :/ what a shame... but thats how it works 2011-03-12 11:29 I dont give up, but rely on people to buy stuff is really hard.. 2011-03-12 11:30 I imagige if just mail then saying. hey i have this pocketcomputer, you want to buy it? what the response will be in this case.. 2011-03-12 11:48 kristianpaul: you mean NanoNote group buy? 2011-03-12 11:49 wolfspraul: yeah 2011-03-12 11:49 Feels bad when two or three people said, hey sell me one... and response. oh well. we need arrange buy group.. 2011-03-12 11:49 Anyway... 2011-03-12 11:49 I still trying 2011-03-12 12:04 you cannot force things beyond a certain point. Just advertise yourself as the copyleft hw guy in Colombia, slowly some truly good contacts will emerge. 2011-03-12 12:05 yeah sure 2011-03-12 12:10 wolfspraul: actually we have guy contact here, woakas ! 2011-03-12 12:10 HeÂ Â is interested on buy a nanonote, that i cant sell, i wonder he already managed to get it in other way?.. 2011-03-12 12:35 some comparisos about xbusrt sie and ARM iMX233 from freescale http://groups.google.com/group/linuxencaja/browse_thread/thread/bf6d9751d6824d30 2011-03-12 12:35 saving some readings 2011-03-12 12:35 ddr is cheap 2011-03-12 12:35 boot from SD also instead of nand chips 2011-03-12 12:35 usb host.. 2011-03-12 12:36 dunno if he included also documentation comparison, will be nice to know :-) 2011-03-12 12:48 kristianpaul: we can already boot from "8:10" 2011-03-12 12:51 bartbes: sure :-) 2011-03-12 12:51 but that port is really used in other tasks.. 2011-03-12 12:51 also you still need cpu boots 2011-03-12 12:51 like equipment only 3 people have 2011-03-12 12:51 :P 2011-03-12 12:52 and thats is only posible from nand and usb 2011-03-12 12:52 no more.. 2011-03-12 12:52 oh you mean getting the bootloader from sd? 2011-03-12 12:53 yeap 2011-03-12 13:29 hmm dma is like using pointers.. Â¿? 2011-03-12 13:53 kristianpaul: iirc, alike 2011-03-12 13:53 you instruct device where to get data from RAM 2011-03-12 13:54 ah. 2011-03-12 13:59 Jay7: but the device can tell me alsoÂ Â where it is storing the data in RAM? 2011-03-12 13:59 kristianpaul: may be.. imho, it depends on device.. but better to ask some HW guy :) 2011-03-12 14:00 ;-) 2011-03-12 14:00 yes i depends... oh . 2011-03-12 14:02 kristianpaul: (fab files) i have a semi-finished process for making a tarball/zip for atben. need to do it for atusb, too. 2011-03-12 14:03 kristianpaul: (semi-finished) what's missing are the files for SMT, and of course suppressing the edges 2011-03-12 14:14 roh: hmm, is mail.openmoko.org down again ? 2011-03-12 15:51 dunno. some atomic powerplant exploded.. world's going down 2011-03-12 15:54 seems down. 2011-03-12 15:59 http://gramercyimages.com/blog1/2011/03/12/flea-powder-may-be-saving-lives-in-japan/ 2011-03-12 16:03 roh: i remenber a saw an old movie once about a big nuclear cloud wich spread around globe.. and x-| 2011-03-12 16:03 last country to staya live was autralia 2011-03-12 16:03 panic ! ;-) 2011-03-12 16:19 this world is coming to EOL 2011-03-12 16:20 another world would be created and this would be destroyed :) 2011-03-12 16:20 we are under garbage collector ;) 2011-03-12 16:21 lol 2011-03-12 16:21 nice article lekernel 2011-03-12 16:22 otoh I read another source that says Japan declined the coolant shipment offer from the US 2011-03-12 16:22 kristianpaul: that was a lovely movie 2011-03-12 16:22 lekernel: the whole thing is bogus. 2011-03-12 16:23 the 'cooling shipment' thing. its cooling with water.. wtf. 2011-03-12 16:23 that's what the link I posted says: they might want to add boron (which would be shipped from the US) to stop the reaction faster 2011-03-12 16:24 they should already have bor-acid on site before 2011-03-12 16:24 but its too late now. 2011-03-12 16:24 who knows, maybe they had a leak or something 2011-03-12 16:24 roh: apparently, they have the acid available 2011-03-12 16:24 since they had sinking coolant levels i would say they for sure have a leak 2011-03-12 16:25 the only one constantly lying seems to be the japan goverment. 'soviet style information management' 2011-03-12 16:25 roh: (water) depends a bit on what you're cooling. if it's the outside of the primary containments, it think the more the merrier 2011-03-12 16:26 if you ask me, it sounds much more like tschernobyl than like 3mile island. especially since the explosion destroying good parts of the external containment 2011-03-12 16:28 seems they really have leak 2011-03-12 16:28 is looking to news sites 2011-03-12 16:29 they are leaking long before the explosion. i mean.. missing cooling water needs to go somewhere. also they were measuring cesium inÂ Â the atmosphere before i went to bed... like 10 hours ago 2011-03-12 16:29 they evacuating people from 30km zone around 2011-03-12 16:35 roh: i wonder what the cesium meant. was it just that they vented stuff from the primary system into the secondary ? or an uncontrolled escapement from the primary ? 2011-03-12 16:36 roh: at least, the confusion and lack of information in the news sure does look like chernobyl 2011-03-12 16:36 roh: ah, and any chance imap.openmoko.org may survive the apocalypse ? 2011-03-12 16:36 we don't even know what exactly exploded... is it such a difficult thing to find out? 2011-03-12 16:37 lekernel: i think that is to be expected to some degree 2011-03-12 16:37 lekernel: i think the people who have the most accurate picture have other things to do at the moment than to give explanations to the global press ;) 2011-03-12 16:39 wpwrak: no information yet. cannot reach the host atm 2011-03-12 16:40 roh: oh, sounds suckish 2011-03-12 16:40 could be hw.. dunno yet. 2011-03-12 16:41 its saturday. so.. i wouldn bet on it before monday 2011-03-12 16:41 roh: :-( 2011-03-12 20:36 http://apps.open-pandora.org/apps/main.shtml 2011-03-12 20:36 nice aprouch 2011-03-12 22:41 kristianpaul: once upon a time I have startedÂ Â an "openmoko showrom" web site that read directly on opkg repos , http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show, due openmoko start dying an I have received no support I park that project but if there is enough interest I can reconvert it to Nanonote showroom, and it can show both jlime and openwrt apps... 2011-03-12 22:44 si 2011-03-12 22:55 kristianpaul: si , que? 2011-03-12 22:56 se me cruzo el canal. perdon :-) 2011-03-12 23:18 tuxbrain_away: isn't that a bit like yi's list of applications ? 2011-03-12 23:19 wpwrak: yes i think 2011-03-12 23:22 yes, and that's why I haven't said nothing until today... the only advantage I see over the wiki , is that the source of app is the opkg repo, so you have the description and link to the ipk file on a db, you only have to add the pic and maybe add more descritpion, new apps show up to the admins of the page... but well, as you can see I have not said nothing until today , I can stay silent again on it :) , in fact I have not much motivation to re 2011-03-12 23:22 t that project. 2011-03-12 23:23 is reading about slave spi on Atmega chips... 2011-03-12 23:24 oh.. be aware of tuxbrain_away new ideas ! ;-) 2011-03-12 23:24 very few information most of people trying has go to I2C 2011-03-12 23:24 And finally stops looking at uart :-) 2011-03-12 23:25 tuxbrain_away: yeah, i2c is well known 2011-03-12 23:26 well we should find a way to atmega(uart->slave spi) ->nn(master SPI ->/dev/watevertty) 2011-03-12 23:29 also would be cool 2011-03-12 23:29 (ethernet->slave spi)->NN(master SPI->/dev/ethX) 2011-03-12 23:29 btw, you think UBB can be used also as I2C interface? 2011-03-12 23:30 sure. bitbanging. 2011-03-12 23:30 in gpio mode 2011-03-12 23:31 so just as we achived the SPI master 2011-03-12 23:32 making wpwrak coding it :P 2011-03-12 23:33 wpwrak: still waiting for the files for atben/atusb 2011-03-12 23:34 no rush just want to make you notice in case of you have try to send somthing , I have no recive anithing yet 2011-03-12 23:34 tuxbrain_away: for the smt files, i'll actually need input from adam. but maybe you don't require all the details for a quote. 2011-03-12 23:35 tuxbrain_away: no haven't sent something. hmm, with the imap.openmoko.org troubles, that could become an issue, too. well, sending ought to be fine, just not receiving any bounces or such. 2011-03-12 23:36 tuxbrain_away: (spi, i2c, ...) in fact, there are drivers for this in the kernel already ;-) 2011-03-12 23:37 tuxbrain_away: (no rush) in fact, i figured that it wouldn't be overly useful for you before monday morning, so i get one more day to slack :) 2011-03-12 23:41 wpwrak: (kernel) oh i2c too, nice :-) 2011-03-12 23:43 wpwrak: (kernel) well this is like telling to me that driver are in a cave in uganda.... I will arrive there but it will take me some time 2011-03-12 23:44 tuxbrain_away: so better start the journey fast ;-) 2011-03-12 23:44 yep the hard part is to convice my wife this is usefull for something :P 2011-03-12 23:46 she is still waiting for the freaks knoking at my door for the Ardunote initative 2011-03-12 23:46 nok nok 2011-03-12 23:46 xD 2011-03-12 23:47 common kristianpaul you are already sitting in my sofa drinking beer for a while :) I mean new and huge amount of freaks :P 2011-03-12 23:48 tuxbrain_away: (ardunote) any reactions so far ? 2011-03-12 23:49 jajaja 2011-03-12 23:50 tuxbrain_away: i'm kinda curious what else will crawl out of ubb, we's still a few things short to make it truly accessible, but then, maybe others can help there, too 2011-03-12 23:50 wpwrak: few less than expected I must say but well ... the more encouraging and discouraging at same time is one guy of the Arduino spanish comunity telling me : "Hey well done!, when will be a GUI ready?" (sight) 2011-03-12 23:51 thats expected 2011-03-12 23:51 gui and arduino are a team 2011-03-12 23:52 kristianpaul: yeah I know is on my roadmap , but there a tons of thing to be done before reach that point 2011-03-12 23:52 you explain the avrdude part and is like saying there are programinn in asm 2011-03-12 23:52 memory one if then.. 2011-03-12 23:52 ;-) 2011-03-12 23:53 or a lot of swap... 2011-03-12 23:53 or write the editor with sdl and then call avrdude 2011-03-12 23:53 :-) 2011-03-12 23:56 tuxbrain_away: (ardunote) needs a bit more pushing, i guess. also the use case may not be obvious 2011-03-12 23:56 of course runing the actual arduino soft is totally out of scope, I have to write or adapt an already done editor and make it looks like the arduino front end and as you said call avrdude, the idea is to make the gui generate the make file and runt make and avrdude in the backstage :) 2011-03-12 23:57 tuxbrain_away: also, the use of your ardunote goes beyond just the arduino 2011-03-12 23:57 wpwrak: well I'm working with some 3D printers guys and maybe we will have the first use case as 3d printer frontend :) 2011-03-12 23:57 wpwrak: yeah it about all avr chips :) 2011-03-12 23:57 why not just advertise: This guy program arduino without a PC 2011-03-12 23:58 tuxbrain_away: (3d printer) wow 2011-03-12 23:58 kristianpaul: by his mind power! :) 2011-03-12 23:58 tuxbrain_away: 3d print? wich printer? 2011-03-12 23:58 Jay7: :) 2011-03-12 23:58 kristianpaul: you will see, actually I'm under NDA yet 2011-03-12 23:59 NDA? no way thats extratasys? ;-) 2011-03-12 23:59 sure is a makerbot as hackable devices sell it too 2011-03-12 23:59 Jay7: well Obi-Wan Kenobi was known as Ben Kenobi. this should give us a hint :)