2011-03-08 03:12 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: xburst-tools buffered output patch http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/a3a38ca
2011-03-08 04:43 <rjeffries_> wpwrak did you see: http://shop.moderndevice.com/products/bub_ii
2011-03-08 04:44 <rjeffries_> mumble: supporting h/w flow control on nxuart is prolly A Good Thing
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: disable CONFIG_ALL, add Tile and gottet http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4c23f2d
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: add supertux, terminus-font http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4c6dfc5
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: build gcc-mips, make, binutils as modules. Remove http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3916e5f
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: remove "=m" packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f2bfc5a
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: don't include ghostscript and fbgs into rootfs, build as modules http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/38ae85f
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: fix name of gnuplot package (was renamed a long time ago) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c014532
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add zgv, MPlayer, brainless http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/76010c7
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove custum banner, focus on 100% upstream, http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/09a0a62
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: add setterm http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2cb0ceb
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: include GNU tar http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/56c68f9
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [package] ks7010: Remove debug printks http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4cd6a3c
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [xburst] jz_mmc: Drop warning about spares irqs. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0f173bc
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [xburst] Improve mounttime. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1526555
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: have sound modules built in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5db429d
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: reflash_ben.sh, new option b k r, reboot device after reflash http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/40ce746
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add sound options to default config, so that it won't popup http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f3b0c9b
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: add openssh-sftp-server http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/190d239
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update opkg.conf, don't using /tmp keep packages information http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ea1bf4f
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: busybox enhancements http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/495b903
2011-03-08 06:15 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: more busybox options http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b2bc487
2011-03-08 08:06 <wpwrak> xiangfu: btw, not sure if you've seen this: i moved the avrdude patches and also added a new feature: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-March/007481.html
2011-03-08 08:07 <wpwrak> xiangfu: i still have a few more things pending and then i'll see how avrdude upstream likes all this
2011-03-08 08:09 <xiangfu> the email is on my TODO list later tonight :)
2011-03-08 08:10 <xiangfu> wpwrak: I will update the openwrt package.
2011-03-08 08:10 <kyak> xiangfu: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-03072011-1900/BUILD_LOG.03072011-2055.last100 <- i've got the same error :)
2011-03-08 08:10 <wpwrak> xiangfu: (todo) kewl, thanks :)
2011-03-08 08:15 <kyak> wow the crippled configure (after autorecond) from gtkhtml has managed to DoS my host
2011-03-08 08:16 <kyak> *** Notice -- WARNING: Time jumped ~36 seconds ahead!
2011-03-08 08:17 <kyak> heh, the case when configure gets patched rather then .in
2011-03-08 08:26 <kyak> jow_laptop: xMff: please accept the patch: http://dpaste.com/481876/
2011-03-08 08:40 <xMff> kyak: how do you generate your patches btw?
2011-03-08 08:57 <kyak> xMff: svn diff from feeds/packages,desktop etc
2011-03-08 08:58 <xMff> kyak: I mean patches within packages
2011-03-08 08:59 <kyak> hm.. i unpack tarball to tmp, cp -r package_dir package_dir.orig, do changes in package_dir, then diff
2011-03-08 08:59 <xMff> I see, I suggest to read http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/devel/patches
2011-03-08 09:00 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: hah, he lives ! been soldering all weekend ? :)
2011-03-08 09:00 <xMff> as a side effect you get nice clean patch files without timestamps and stuff, so the final deltas have less noise
2011-03-08 09:00 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: nop was carnival here :)
2011-03-08 09:02 <kyak> xMff: nice! i've never used that before! libglade is the next failure, i will try to generate the patch quilt way :)
2011-03-08 09:02 <tuxbrain> was also polishing 500 UBB with a cutter
2011-03-08 09:04 <tuxbrain> yesterday I have sended all UPS ones today I will send using standard national postmail
2011-03-08 09:05 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: (polish 500) heh, i had that picture in my mind. tuxbrain up to the elbows in FR4 dust ;-)
2011-03-08 09:06 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: yep :), but well at least was a task I can do on the sofa
2011-03-08 09:10 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: I think I have asked you already (sure) but don't let me digg in the irc logs,  where is the SPI->8:10 pin correspondence?
2011-03-08 09:13 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: there is no SPI. there is only MMC/SD/SDIO
2011-03-08 09:13 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: the latter is printed on the boards :)
2011-03-08 09:14 <tuxbrain> ok you are a little picky today... where I can find SDIO->Atmega pins correspondence to flash it using your patched avrdude?.... better that way?
2011-03-08 09:16 <wpwrak> aah, avrdude. that would be explained in avrdude.conf
2011-03-08 09:16 <wpwrak> search for "nanonote"
2011-03-08 09:16 <xMff> kyak: ok, committed
2011-03-08 09:16 <wpwrak> the driver does not have a hard-coded assignment of SPI pins. instead, you define what the pins do in avrdude.conf
2011-03-08 09:17 <wpwrak> i.e., atusb-pgm and nxuart have different pin assignments
2011-03-08 09:18 <tuxbrain> but are related to SPI pins, isn't it?
2011-03-08 09:19 <tuxbrain> also there is any place in your code to digg on SPI communication (not flashing)?
2011-03-08 09:19 <kyak> xMff: thanks!
2011-03-08 09:19 <tuxbrain> (mmm the previous question was already done some time ago I guess)
2011-03-08 09:21 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: for spi comm, you could look at ben-wpan/lib/
2011-03-08 09:21 <tuxbrain> ok
2011-03-08 09:21 <wpwrak> err, ben-wpan/tools/lib/
2011-03-08 09:21 <xMff> kyak: stupid question, why gconf-2.0 is left in configure when it is completely patched out with the next patch?
2011-03-08 09:22 <wpwrak> it's not the most simple example, though. if you just want bit-banging, ben-blinkenlights/bbl/ is your friend
2011-03-08 09:26 <tuxbrain> mmm damn when I try to compile with avr-gcc
2011-03-08 09:26 <tuxbrain> /data/avr/bin/../lib/gcc/avr/4.3.4/../../../../avr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc
2011-03-08 09:26 <tuxbrain> is and empty test.c file
2011-03-08 09:27 <xMff> tuxbrain: on-target ?
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> ldd /data/avr/bin/../lib/gcc/avr/4.3.4/../../../
2011-03-08 09:27 <xMff> tuxbrain: or crosscompile?
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> ../avr/bin/ld
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> ldd: can't open cache '/etc/ld.so.cache'
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x2aabe000)
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> libc.so.0 => /lib/libc.so.0 (0x2aade000)
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x2aaa8000)
2011-03-08 09:27 <tuxbrain> on the NN
2011-03-08 09:27 <kyak> xMff: good question. And i don't really understand why gconf-2.0 is patched out.. It should work fine. Might want to have a closer look later
2011-03-08 09:28 <wpwrak> xMff: it's tuxbrain's S&M edition ;-)
2011-03-08 09:28 <xMff> tuxbrain: I think you must copy avr-gcc's libgcc too
2011-03-08 09:28 <xMff> tuxbrain: and put it in /data/avr/lib
2011-03-08 09:33 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, what's the schedule on your (sharism's) side for ben-wpan. fedex say adam should have something to play with by tomorrow evening.
2011-03-08 09:35 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (roh's still seems to be sitting in the post office; richard's is waiting for roh's to leave the country)
2011-03-08 09:52 <wolfspraul> good question
2011-03-08 09:52 <wolfspraul> I think we are ready for the run of 100 each, no?
2011-03-08 09:53 <tuxbrain> wolfspraul: givemegivemegiveme
2011-03-08 09:53 <wolfspraul> the problem is that Adam is in the middle of the m1 rc3 run
2011-03-08 09:54 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: from my side, i think the hw is good to go. adam will have to check manufacturability.
2011-03-08 09:55 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: one open issue is the cover/case. if roh needs any modifications to the pcb for it, then we'd have to wait for his feedback.
2011-03-08 09:55 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: of course, if we just dunk the boards in silicone, the silicone will adapt to any shape ;-)
2011-03-08 09:57 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: the next step would be firmware flashing for atusb. the boot loader isn't ready yet, but that shouldn't take long. the sw and hw for the actual flashing is ready.
2011-03-08 09:58 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: finally, functional testing. this still needs a bit of work. but there's even more time for that :)
2011-03-08 10:00 <wolfspraul> wondering whether we can produce the 8:10 and usb version together in one pcb and smt run
2011-03-08 10:00 <wolfspraul> that would save quite a bit of costs
2011-03-08 10:01 <wpwrak> you could probably pre-panelize them. e.g., 2 atben plus 2 atusb as one "mini-panel"
2011-03-08 10:02 <wpwrak> the L-shaped atben are best placed together. otherwise you'll waste quite a bit of board space
2011-03-08 10:03 <wpwrak> lemme see if i have something in my discard pile ...
2011-03-08 10:03 <tuxbrain> xMff: yeah! that was the issue :), seems than the failing install has also forgot to put the lib .a files , now it at least compiles an main(){} :P hope there was nothing more broken
2011-03-08 10:09 <kyak> xMff: please accept the patch for libglade: http://dpaste.com/481917/ (created with quilt, then svn diffed :)
2011-03-08 10:11 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: this is what i meant: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/double-l.jpg
2011-03-08 10:12 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: you could combine this with a pair of atusb. wouldn't give you maximum coverage, but it's probably still better than separate boards.
2011-03-08 10:16 <wolfspraul> he, yes. very clear picture :-)
2011-03-08 10:22 <wpwrak> these were positioned in the post-processing, so i don't have a single kicad or gerber file with multiple boards. not sure how one would make the tabs that connect boards. maybe that's something the fab provides routinely (they did in the case of UBB)
2011-03-08 10:22 <wpwrak> adam would know such things
2011-03-08 10:23 <jow_laptop> kyak: what does it do/fix?
2011-03-08 10:27 <kyak> jow_laptop: the AM_PATH_GTK_2_0, defined in gtk-2.0.m4, cannot be found. It causes an error later during configure. Therefore, I used the check for gtk like in gtkhtml instead
2011-03-08 10:27 <jow_laptop> ok
2011-03-08 10:28 <jow_laptop> allright, will do it within the next half hour
2011-03-08 10:28 <kyak> sure, thanks!
2011-03-08 11:07 <tuxbrain> no make on openwrt?
2011-03-08 11:08 <jow_laptop> tuxbrain: there is but currently restricted to x86
2011-03-08 11:08 <kyak> opkg install make?
2011-03-08 11:08 <jow_laptop> oh, actually not
2011-03-08 11:08 <kyak> Package make (3.81-1) installed in root is up to date.
2011-03-08 11:08 <kyak> :)
2011-03-08 11:09 <tuxbrain> kyak: what image you are using?
2011-03-08 11:09 <kyak> https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=46022#p46022 <- had fun reading the IRC log :)
2011-03-08 11:09 <kyak> tuxbrain: hm.. the one i built yesterday at night :)
2011-03-08 11:14 <kyak> tuxbrain: if you have troubles installing make, make sure it ran "opkg update" first
2011-03-08 11:16 <tuxbrain> a precious Blink.hex has been generated :)
2011-03-08 11:16 <tuxbrain> from arduino examples
2011-03-08 11:16 <tuxbrain> using arduino libraries
2011-03-08 11:17 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: now you just need to flash it :)
2011-03-08 11:17 <tuxbrain> well seems is time to some serious soldering making a UBB->ArduinoSPI :)
2011-03-08 11:17 <tuxbrain> cable
2011-03-08 11:19 <tuxbrain> In theory I don't need the bootloader isn't it? but I can reflash the bootloader anytime (I have them copied on NN )
2011-03-08 11:22 <wpwrak> sure. if you can flash directly, you have almost limitless power
2011-03-08 11:29 <tuxbrain> well time to dress up a little the recording studio (euphemistic way to say I must enter the bulldozzer in the cave to retire tons of garbage) to make a proper howto make the cable video :)
2011-03-08 11:30 <tuxbrain> also a good time to play some Metal and headbanging will doing so
2011-03-08 11:30 <tuxbrain> is happy
2011-03-08 11:34 <wpwrak> ;-)
2011-03-08 12:30 <wolfspraul> Ornotermes: you there? I want to ping your brain with a question about lenses...
2011-03-08 12:32 <Ornotermes> wolfspraul: i'm here
2011-03-08 12:32 <wolfspraul> ah cool
2011-03-08 12:33 <wolfspraul> I try to understand what different types of lenses exist, in general. what categories.
2011-03-08 12:33 <wolfspraul> the easy thing is the focal length and viewing angle
2011-03-08 12:34 <wolfspraul> but then there are special types, like telecentric lenses, or ultraviolet (?)
2011-03-08 12:34 <wolfspraul> is fisheye the same as wide angle?
2011-03-08 12:34 <wolfspraul> there are lenses with and without IR filter
2011-03-08 12:34 <wolfspraul> it's confusing (to me)
2011-03-08 12:34 <Ornotermes> basicly there is all kinds of lenses
2011-03-08 12:35 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-03-08 12:35 <wolfspraul> ok but let's start with the most common ones. they just differ in focal length/field angle.
2011-03-08 12:35 <wolfspraul> correct?
2011-03-08 12:36 <wolfspraul> short focal length = big angle, long focal length = small angle
2011-03-08 12:36 <wolfspraul> what other types do you find interesting, or make sense in certain typical applications?
2011-03-08 12:37 <wolfspraul> nice, just the right netsplit. that was more like a communicationsplit.
2011-03-08 12:43 <wolfspraul> Ornotermes: he, you are back
2011-03-08 12:44 <Ornotermes> yeah, bad case of the splits
2011-03-08 12:44 <wolfspraul> I found things like "uv quartz lenses" http://www.ukaoptics.com/uvquartz.html
2011-03-08 12:45 <wolfspraul> or "germanium assembly lenses" http://www.azurephotonics.com/products/IR%20Lenses/IR%20Lenses.html
2011-03-08 12:45 <wolfspraul> which types of lenses do you find interesting/practical for yourself?
2011-03-08 12:45 <Ornotermes> different kinds of glass block different wavelenghts
2011-03-08 12:47 <wolfspraul> the cmos/ccd sensor will work with any kind of wavelength?
2011-03-08 12:48 <wolfspraul> so it's up to the lense to decide whether the camera takes a IR or UV picture?
2011-03-08 12:48 <Ornotermes> du you have a link to the datasheed för the sensor?
2011-03-08 12:48 <Ornotermes> i think it have built in filters
2011-03-08 12:50 <Ornotermes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet#Natural_sources_of_UV 2nd paragraph - about glass and UV-light
2011-03-08 12:51 <wolfspraul> ok reading
2011-03-08 12:51 <wolfspraul> what types of lenses do you use yourself, or find interesting?
2011-03-08 12:52 <Ornotermes> normal cameras block IR, and most block UV
2011-03-08 12:52 <Ornotermes> so i use regular glass optics
2011-03-08 12:53 <wolfspraul> what blocks it?
2011-03-08 12:53 <wolfspraul> the sensor?
2011-03-08 12:54 <Ornotermes> a color filter on the photo sensor
2011-03-08 12:54 <Ornotermes> usually looks kind of blue-green
2011-03-08 12:54 <wolfspraul> ah yes. I remember Andrey told me he sens sensors to Russia where they remove this filter :-)
2011-03-08 12:54 <wolfspraul> sends
2011-03-08 12:55 <Ornotermes> i've done it on a couple of old pocket cameras, but it scres up the focus
2011-03-08 12:56 <wolfspraul> ok, so using quartz glass for the lense is one thing
2011-03-08 12:56 <wolfspraul> which only makes sense if the sensor doesn't block uv
2011-03-08 12:57 <Ornotermes> it might not make sense for every one uven if it works
2011-03-08 12:57 <Ornotermes> for normal photos you want to block light that the human eye can't see
2011-03-08 12:58 <Ornotermes> but for technical use both IR and UV might be very useful
2011-03-08 12:59 <wolfspraul> germanium lense and quartz lense are two different things?
2011-03-08 12:59 <Ornotermes> i really don't know :P
2011-03-08 13:00 <wolfspraul> 'fisheye' is just a fancy term for wide angle, right?
2011-03-08 13:00 <Ornotermes> bot llok at the properies, thats what interesting
2011-03-08 13:01 <wolfspraul> so a lense like this http://www.azurephotonics.com/products/CCD%20Mini%20Lenses/Board/FIFO-2.1-1B.html
2011-03-08 13:01 <wolfspraul> with 160o field angle, would be considered a fisheye lense?
2011-03-08 13:01 <Ornotermes> as far as i know
2011-03-08 13:02 <wolfspraul> ok cool
2011-03-08 13:02 <wolfspraul> sorry for my brutal newbie questions...
2011-03-08 13:02 <wolfspraul> I think your confidence already spilled over to me, I can read some more now :-)
2011-03-08 13:02 <wolfspraul> thanks!
2011-03-08 13:04 <Ornotermes> i think its pretty wide angle, but i'm not an optics expert
2011-03-08 13:06 <Ornotermes> i haven't used winde angle lenses so i cant relate it to anything
2011-03-08 13:07 <Ornotermes> but keep in mind that the lens have to be made to work with the sensor size you're using
2011-03-08 13:07 <wolfspraul> sure, that I know
2011-03-08 13:08 <wolfspraul> I visited Azure and got a nice full-day tour of everything
2011-03-08 13:08 <wolfspraul> very impressive
2011-03-08 13:08 <wolfspraul> unfortunately I was overwhelmed, would love to go again
2011-03-08 13:09 <Ornotermes> whats the url for the sensor datasheet?
2011-03-08 13:11 <wolfspraul> no sensor in mind
2011-03-08 13:11 <Ornotermes> oh, ok
2011-03-08 13:12 <Ornotermes> then i think one without filters would be best so the end user can select the spectrum
2011-03-08 13:12 <Ornotermes> if possible
2011-03-08 13:15 <wolfspraul> why do the normal sensors have filters then?
2011-03-08 13:15 <Ornotermes> for instance a full spectrum all way up to IR light could be very useful for night surveillence
2011-03-08 13:16 <Ornotermes> bevause (primarly IR) interfere with the "normal" colors
2011-03-08 13:17 <wolfspraul> yes but the lense is still there, so the lense could filter that out?
2011-03-08 13:17 <Ornotermes> in a full spectrum camera green plants look yrllow
2011-03-08 13:18 <Ornotermes> no, a regular lens lets morst IR light pass
2011-03-08 13:18 <wolfspraul> an IR filter on a lense is that redish looking film you can see when looking at the lense from the side, correct?
2011-03-08 13:19 <Ornotermes> yes, the red you see is the lowest part of the light the filter reflect
2011-03-08 13:19 <wolfspraul> ah, interesting
2011-03-08 13:19 <Ornotermes> but i tou look throu the filter it looks kind of blue
2011-03-08 13:20 <wolfspraul> so if you have a full spectrum sensor, and then a lense with such IR filter, then you are back to normal, and green plants are green?
2011-03-08 13:20 <Ornotermes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_cut-off_filter
2011-03-08 13:20 <Ornotermes> yes
2011-03-08 13:20 <wolfspraul> got it
2011-03-08 13:20 <Ornotermes> as long as there is a filter anywhere along the way of light
2011-03-08 13:27 <Ornotermes> or if one use only light without IR :P
2011-03-08 13:38 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: cxxtools: updated to 2.0, fix build issues http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cc7557c
2011-03-08 14:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: jbofihe: fix build http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c04a579
2011-03-08 15:02 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: libgii: fix build http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dcc4ef7
2011-03-08 16:44 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: tntnet: update to 2.0, fix build http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/55b2647
2011-03-08 18:09 <wpwrak> admires taiwan customs: package arrives at 12:25 am and is released at 12:25 am. unlike with argentine customs, this happens on the same day ...
2011-03-08 18:09 <kristianpaul> pass pass pass !
2011-03-08 18:10 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: in colombia takes from 2 hrs up to half day
2011-03-08 18:11 <kristianpaul> may be argentina custom just like hold it in order to create some sign of ..
2011-03-08 18:11 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: here, they often sit on it until the afternoon. sometimes also until the next day. many years ago, they were quicker and most things were cleared and delivered the day of their arrival
2011-03-08 18:12 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: how long you had been in argentina btw?
2011-03-08 18:13 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: sign of ... ? everyone knows that they're lazy, corrupt, and inefficient. you should have seen the comments in a newspaper article (online) when the boss of the customs office at ezeiza (argentina's main airport) was arrested for something a while ago
2011-03-08 18:13 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: i was waiting you to say it :-)
2011-03-08 18:14 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: about 9.1 years by now
2011-03-08 18:14 <kristianpaul> oh, nice :-)
2011-03-08 18:14 <wpwrak> time flies ;-)
2011-03-08 18:15 <kristianpaul> oh yes :(
2011-03-08 18:35 <M_Rojas> Argentina, as a country, is great, except that it's full of Argentines :-)
2011-03-08 18:39 <kristianpaul> M_Rojas: ah you !!
2011-03-08 18:39 <kristianpaul> Thats funny a venezuelan told me the same once :-) about his country
2011-03-08 19:04 <Ornotermes> it would be cool with a nanonote with a clear case
2011-03-08 19:06 <Ornotermes> http://www.applefritter.com/node/3165
2011-03-08 19:06 <wpwrak> hates ubuntu. when trying to "upgrade away" a problem that made multiple virtual desktops almost unusable, i now got two of three screens that stay dark, xpdf still segfaults, and evince either fails with some mysterious dbus error (what the heck does a pdf viewer need dbus for ?) or crashes the x server. xrandr crashes x, too.
2011-03-08 19:17 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: what version and what machine? I had been running an uncrashing ubuntu for years?
2011-03-08 19:18 <tuxbrain> ?->!
2011-03-08 19:18 <kristianpaul> tuxbrain: ubuntu 5.04? :)
2011-03-08 19:19 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: he, I move from LTS to LTS so now 10.04 on main pc and I let the laptop taste the lastest releaases... no problem since 9.04
2011-03-08 19:59 <Pregunton> Hello everyone
2011-03-08 20:00 <Pregunton> I have a problem with my lap
2011-03-08 20:00 <Pregunton> Anyone can help me?
2011-03-08 20:04 <kristianpaul> #hardware
2011-03-08 20:05 <kristianpaul> sorry not here :(
2011-03-08 20:12 <aisa> That was strange.  Pregunton PM'd me asking for help.
2011-03-08 20:17 <tuxbrain> alsa: maybe with audio problems?:P
2011-03-08 20:17 <aisa> tuxbrain: ha!  right.  I think because I show up early alphabetically on the channel.
2011-03-08 20:18 <tuxbrain> your nick is alsa on a whatever-hardware channel , it's no so illogical :P
2011-03-08 20:19 <aisa> I really thought it was a troll; I understand 'lap' to mean 'I have a problem in my pants.'
2011-03-08 20:19 <aisa> though at the end of the very brief conversation I think the person was earnest and in the wrong place.
2011-03-08 20:20 <viric> aisa: yes, it looked like some kind of sex proposal
2011-03-08 21:04 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: 11.04 ... (by accident)
2011-03-08 21:12 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: on SPI, MOSI of one side has to be connected with MOSI in the other?
2011-03-08 21:13 <tuxbrain> same aply to MISO, SCLK, CS, SS?
2011-03-08 21:29 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: yes, no crossing
2011-03-08 22:23 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: I have a dilema, following this pinout http://www.instructables.com/id/Adding-ICSP-header-to-your-ArduinoAVR-board/step3/ICSP-header-pinout/
2011-03-08 22:23 <tuxbrain> seems pretty straight forward with the avrdude how to make a cable but, I have a problem with the VTG, I guess is the where we have to supply 3V3 , so first question what UBB pin match this and second one
2011-03-08 22:23 <tuxbrain> if arduino board is already powered the VTG ping throws 5V, I don't have too much knowledge on electronics but I'm sure this is a bad thing having somthing triying to put 3V3 volts in an already 5V active pin... any idea? I would like to use ISCP header to also communicate with the board once powered , maybe puting a diode will solve this?
2011-03-08 22:28 <wpwrak> trying to put 5 V into the 3.3 V of the ben would actually be worse. not sure how it reacts to this. if you have a ben you don't like, maybe you can try ;-)
2011-03-08 22:29 <tuxbrain> the UBB to ICSP correspondence:
2011-03-08 22:29 <tuxbrain> DAT2->RST
2011-03-08 22:29 <tuxbrain> DAT3->MOSI
2011-03-08 22:29 <tuxbrain> GND->GND
2011-03-08 22:29 <wpwrak> a diode would help, yes. you'd lose a few hundred mV over the diode, but that may still be okay
2011-03-08 22:29 <tuxbrain> DAT0->SCK
2011-03-08 22:30 <tuxbrain> DAT1->MISO
2011-03-08 22:30 <tuxbrain> ?->VTG
2011-03-08 22:30 <wpwrak> VDD -> >| -> VTG    where >| is a diode
2011-03-08 22:31 <wpwrak> for DATAn, you can pick any order. you can also use CMD. they all get assigned in avrdude.conf
2011-03-08 22:32 <wpwrak> and soon you'll even be able to use CLK :) (unless you need CLK to actually provide a clock, but that's not an issue here)
2011-03-08 22:33 <tuxbrain> OK :) I take note to add a diode to the UBB->ISCP, and will see if another combination can maintain the flat cable with less crossings
2011-03-08 22:35 <wpwrak> how does VTG connect to the arduino circuit ? the instructable seems a bit vague on it
2011-03-08 22:39 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-uno-schematic.pdf
2011-03-08 22:41 <wpwrak> curses
2011-03-08 22:41 <wpwrak> tuxbrain: no PDF viewing :-(
2011-03-08 22:43 <tuxbrain> you have mail
2011-03-08 22:46 <wpwrak> thanks :)
2011-03-08 22:46 <tuxbrain> mmm following the schema seems than VTG goes no where just throws 5V....
2011-03-08 22:47 <wpwrak> looks good. it connects to the regulated side
2011-03-08 22:54 <viric> tuxbrain: this is what I call a 'binary format schematic'
2011-03-08 22:55 <viric> lacking it's "source"
2011-03-08 23:22 <tuxbrain> viric: I think eagles files are also aviable
2011-03-08 23:25 <wpwrak> charming ... seems that avrdude can't "jump ahead" when writing a boot loader
2011-03-08 23:28 <wpwrak> ah, unless i tell it explicitly to select that area. very well, we can do that ...
2011-03-08 23:32 <wpwrak> ... which of course only exists for other chips than the one i have. well, that answers the implicit question how it would find out which of the several possible destinations it should select.
2011-03-08 23:45 <tuxbrain> wpwrak: are you working in firmware of what?(atben? atusb?nxuart?)
2011-03-08 23:50 <wpwrak> atusb. atben has none :) and nxuart doesn't need a boot loader