2011-02-22 00:04 he also is on freenode 'wpwrak' 2011-02-22 00:04 argh 2011-02-22 00:05 wpwrak: people playing with scpi. i pointed them to ahrt/tmc 2011-02-22 00:05 good ! free advertisement ;-) 2011-02-22 00:06 hehe.. i am happy to help people find each other in the foss community 2011-02-22 00:07 especially if it serves my own (mostly not even evil) interrests ;) (in this case more foss sw for scopes) 2011-02-22 00:09 heh :) yeah, it's surprising how little seems to be around for this 2011-02-22 00:27 now .. let's see what happens when i try to restart X after that ubuntu upgrade ... 2011-02-22 01:28 hmm. after some fighting, the system boots at least. lost one of my screens, though :-( 2011-02-22 01:30 and xpdf still crashes. usrp2_fft works. phew. that's the one i currently need the most. 2011-02-22 01:37 wpwrak: still using xpdf? 2011-02-22 01:38 roh: got anything leaner and quicker ? :) 2011-02-22 01:40 i use evince 2011-02-22 01:41 evice uses a lot of screen real estate 2011-02-22 01:41 press f11 2011-02-22 01:42 haha :) 2011-02-22 01:42 ;) 2011-02-22 02:15 i wonder what happens if i check out an old git revision, git mv the files to a different place, then try to go back up to the present. will git let me do this ? will the moved files have their ancestry unbroken ? will this bring the world to an end even before LHC gets a chance to ? soon, we'll know ... 2011-02-22 02:20 (will git let me do this ?) i think i will 2011-02-22 02:21 s/i/it 2011-02-22 02:21 the history will be semi broken 2011-02-22 02:22 kristianpaul: yeah, it usually assumes you know where your foot is in relation to your projectiles :) 2011-02-22 02:22 but you can always go back 2011-02-22 02:22 phew.. 2011-02-22 02:23 larsc: what i'm trying to do is to produce the same effect as if i had made the git mv in the past. in particular, then tracing the ancestors of the moved files, one should get back to the original ones. (i.e., it would be nice if this didn't detail schhist) 2011-02-22 02:23 s/then/when/ 2011-02-22 02:25 git log on a moved file will usualy not have the history before the move 2011-02-22 02:26 and after? 2011-02-22 02:27 yeah, it's a bit more complicated. i stitch it together from .... (looking) ... 2011-02-22 02:28 larsc: so the history just dissaper? in my current "git time" 2011-02-22 02:28 from  git diff-tree 2011-02-22 02:28 but if i got back some commits before i guess i can see it? 2011-02-22 02:29 kristianpaul: you can still see it, when you display the whole history 2011-02-22 02:29 just not in the history of that one file 2011-02-22 02:29 good 2011-02-22 02:37 hmm. git seems to apply the changes to HEAD even if they've been made to an older revision 2011-02-22 02:38 ah well. i'll just copy then. 2011-02-22 02:41 ah .. maybe not ... confused HEAD and master 2011-02-22 02:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Updates CAM processes of various sub-projects http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/125055b 2011-02-22 02:48 naw, easier to just copy. the other thing doesn't feel right. 2011-02-22 03:03 grmbl. ubuntu introduced yet another little nuisance change: directory completes to directory instead of directory/  luckily, there's complete -r to bin all that junk ... 2011-02-22 03:23 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add zgv, MPlayer, brainless http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f521ceb 2011-02-22 03:27 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb-sil/: moved C8051F326-related material out of atusb/ http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2642b9e 2011-02-22 03:27 [commit] Werner Almesberger: moved atusb/fw3/ to atusb/fw/ http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/78cfc8f 2011-02-22 03:27 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/Makefile (CFLAGS): simplify -I../fw/include to -Iinclude http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/313fb7c 2011-02-22 03:28 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: create pango.modules when system first boot http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a7d0746 2011-02-22 03:31 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update nanonote-files version http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/78ccf86 2011-02-22 04:17 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: touch utmp for byobu, add -b ~/ ~/ to mc params http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/3ab2a4f 2011-02-22 04:42 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove custum banner, focus on 100% upstream, http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0031274 2011-02-22 06:52 mirko is so not here -\ i have these commits, burning my hands! 2011-02-22 06:53 use some cold water 2011-02-22 07:17 xiangfu: why is it only necessary to set g_ether.host_addr via fw_setenv bootargs? what about g_ether.dev_addr? What's the difference between the two? 2011-02-22 08:17 kyak: the usb ether gadget driver will create two device. NANONTOE:/dev/usb0   PC:/dev/usb0 2011-02-22 08:18 the g_ether.host_addr == PC:/dev/usb0   g_ether.dev_addr == NANONOTE:/dev/usb0 2011-02-22 08:18 since we only want PC:/dev/usb0 have static mac address. so only needs setup g_ether.host_addr 2011-02-22 08:19 oh, ok! it's intersting that developers decided to have two mac addresses 2011-02-22 08:19 what could it possibly be used for? 2011-02-22 08:22 did you saw the email from Ruben? if someone using mac system. once mac address changed. mac system think there is another new device. then re-configure that device. all the setting are lost. :) 2011-02-22 08:22 yeah i know 2011-02-22 08:23 same is in linux without appropriate settings, it would name devices usb0/1/2 etc 2011-02-22 08:23 i mean, what's the need of two mac addresses? 2011-02-22 08:23 oh. sorry for mis-understand 2011-02-22 08:24 it is not two mac addresses. there are two NICs. 2011-02-22 08:24 or is it because there is actually networks emualted between g_ether.dev_addr and g_ether.host_addr? 2011-02-22 08:24 therefore they can't have the same mac 2011-02-22 08:25 ok, but if the second NIC is on PC, why it's mac address is set up via Ben? 2011-02-22 08:26 it's pretty confusing. The ether gadget driver on PC has such settings, too 2011-02-22 08:26 what would happen if they contradict? 2011-02-22 08:28 hmm... think about as Ben is a NIC. that is why mac address can setup by Ben. 2011-02-22 08:30 if you plus a NIC to your PC, there is a mac address from NIC. if you plus a Ben to your PC, there is a mac address from usb0 (which is set by Linux inside ben) 2011-02-22 08:31 ok, it's more clear now 2011-02-22 08:31 basically, there are two NICs in Ben :) 2011-02-22 08:32 kyak: yes. 2011-02-22 08:42 I have test setup same mac address on both NICs.  ssh works fine not 'ping' 2011-02-22 08:43 ping will give all packet loss. 2011-02-22 08:43 kyak ^ 2011-02-22 08:43 hm. shouldn't work at all, theoretically :) 2011-02-22 08:43 if it's two same macs on the network 2011-02-22 08:44 xiangfu: try to clear arp cache on both ben and PC 2011-02-22 08:45 ok, this is all just a speculation. I ahve no idea how ether gadget driver works 2011-02-22 08:48 hmm.. the mac address only works in local network. not through gateway, right? 2011-02-22 08:48 right 2011-02-22 08:50 if PC:/dev/usb0 and NN:/dev/usb0 have same mac address. I can understand why 'ping' not working. don't understand why 'ssh' works fine. 2011-02-22 08:51 me too. Have you restarted the ssh connection? Are you sure you are not ssh'ing to localhost? ;) 2011-02-22 08:52 xiangfu: is the internet connection on Ben working fine at the same time? 2011-02-22 08:52 works fine. 2011-02-22 08:53 are you using bridge or NAT? 2011-02-22 08:53 NAT 2011-02-22 08:54 maybe that's the thing? Ben appears to be behind the NAT for you 2011-02-22 08:56 could debug it with tcpdump on Ben's side 2011-02-22 08:57 to see what mac address Ben sees when you try to ping it or when ssh'ing to it 2011-02-22 09:23 kyak: I think there some differents in Ben and PC. in the arp table. it's only record target IP -- MAC. not itself. 2011-02-22 09:24 so the mac address for itself(system) is meaningless. 2011-02-22 09:27 ok, so at least the arp table is correct 2011-02-22 09:27 yes. 2011-02-22 09:27 in bnn:  192.168.254.100 -- e6:ff:a4:c0:4d:0f 2011-02-22 09:28 in  pc: 192.168.254.101 -- e6:ff:a4:c0:4d:0f 2011-02-22 09:28 101 is nanonote ip address.  100 is pc ip address. 2011-02-22 09:30 I think the mac problem happens where there are a 'switcher' . like three nanonotes and one pc connect to switcher, all nanonotes have same mac address. then there is problem. 2011-02-22 09:31 yup, i just started to think about the same 2011-02-22 09:32 duplicate macs is onyl a problem, when more than one _other_ hosts have same mac. Your own mac, which could be the same, doesn't count :) 2011-02-22 09:33 but then, why is ping not working? 2011-02-22 09:34 could be some other problems 2011-02-22 09:36 ping is working. I mis type the ip address. 2011-02-22 09:36 type wrong ip address. 2011-02-22 09:36 all right :) 2011-02-22 09:45 kyak: I build new images today. : http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-02222011-1005/packages/ 2011-02-22 09:47 is it to be released? 2011-02-22 09:48 no. still not fix 'gnuplot' and 'plplot' compile problem. 2011-02-22 09:48 kyak: but maybe you can try 'opkg upgrade' for update 'gmenu2x' and 'nanonote-files' :) 2011-02-22 09:49 needs setup /etc/opkg.conf to http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-02222011-1005/packages/ 2011-02-22 09:49 kyak:  back online later. see you 2011-02-22 09:59 hm. it seems that it's time we start increasing the PKG_RELEASE number, so that opkg upgrade will notice it 2011-02-22 10:23 yes indeed 2011-02-22 11:15 kyak: pong 2011-02-22 11:29 mirko: gnop 2011-02-22 11:31 kyak: "07:49 < kyak> mirko is so not here -\ i have these commits, burning my hands!" 2011-02-22 11:33 mirko: yeah, let me find it in scrollback 2011-02-22 11:34 mirko: i already adapted all qt4 ports to work with TARGET_INCDIRS+=$(STAGING_DIR)/usr/include in qmake.mk :) So if you could review this change and commit it, this would be great! 2011-02-22 11:35 earlier, i said 2011-02-22 11:35 it seems that QMAKE_INCDIR_QT is not designed to hold multiple directories 2011-02-22 11:37 http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21973 2011-02-22 11:37 this is the patch, basically 2011-02-22 11:37 ok, let me take a look... 2011-02-22 11:38 but actually, having the first three directories in TARGET_INCDIRS ($(STAGING_DIR)/include $(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/include $(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/usr/include) is not necessary 2011-02-22 11:38 kyak: was that the reason, why QtCore, QtGui was appeneded to the toolchain-paths, but not to the stagingdir-path? 2011-02-22 11:38 yep 2011-02-22 11:39 it gets appended only to the last directory of TARGET_INCDIRS 2011-02-22 11:39 grrrr 2011-02-22 11:39 thank you! :) 2011-02-22 11:39 kyak: same with LIBDIR - e.g. "-L"-flags? 2011-02-22 11:39 np :") 2011-02-22 11:39 *LIBDIRS 2011-02-22 11:40 yes, should be the same there. But i didn't notice any problem with it. I thought it is because all libs are installed in one palce? 2011-02-22 11:41 i guess it just appends -lQtNetwork etc and it works 2011-02-22 11:42 11 TARGET_INCDIRS+=$(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/include $(STAGING_DIR)/include $(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/usr/include $(STAGING_DIR)/usr/include 2011-02-22 11:42 12 TARGET_LIBDIRS+= $(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/lib $(STAGING_DIR)/lib $(TOOLCHAIN_DIR)/usr/lib $(STAGING_DIR)/usr/lib 2011-02-22 11:42 that way it should work, right? 2011-02-22 11:42 yes, it will work like this 2011-02-22 17:38 [commit] kyak: freedroid: add icon http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b218991 2011-02-22 17:38 [commit] kyak: update apps to profit from the latest changes in qt4 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/598a81d 2011-02-22 17:38 [commit] kyak: kinyin: it builds now http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6ae0610 2011-02-22 17:38 [commit] kyak: w3m: add PKG_RELEASE http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c19e786 2011-02-22 17:55 damn 2011-02-22 17:55 power failure yday, and isp modem malfuction today :-/ 2011-02-22 18:23 Hey all. 2011-02-22 18:51 Hi 2011-02-22 20:33 does anyone know where i could purchase a Spectec SDW-823 for my Ben NanoNote? 2011-02-22 20:36 maybe on pulster.eu still have some. 2011-02-22 20:37 they seem to have some http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html 2011-02-22 20:37 it isnt very cheap though 2011-02-22 20:38 yeah but i can understand why... they seem to be ultra rare 2011-02-22 20:40 they only except wiretransfer, im guessing people have used them before and they 2011-02-22 20:40 legitimate? 2011-02-22 20:42 I have use it, it works but it's still buggy and don't hold your breath for further development 2011-02-22 20:46 roh: hmm, does mail.openmoko.org have a problem with relaying ? i'm getting timeouts trying to send things through it 2011-02-22 20:46 roh: and it may have been unusually slow already more than half a day ago 2011-02-22 21:44 rjeffries: did you already send the missing files to paula ? i tried to reply but it seems my mail relay is malfunctioning 2011-02-22 22:12 Hey qi people 2011-02-22 22:12 Do you know of any mobile phone that can act as walkie-talkie? 2011-02-22 22:12 is that forbidden by law, maybe? 2011-02-22 22:12 rjeffries: well, let me try another relay ... 2011-02-22 22:12 viric: any nokia with Push-to-talk in network which support it 2011-02-22 22:13 viric: i've seen push-to-talk services 2011-02-22 22:13 but they all depend on a network deployed? 2011-02-22 22:13 yes 2011-02-22 22:13 network should have support 2011-02-22 22:13 hm 2011-02-22 22:14 I see no prob with software implementation in 3G network 2011-02-22 22:14 is that broadly deployed? 2011-02-22 22:14 but haven't seen any.. 2011-02-22 22:14 viric: iirc, european networks should have it 2011-02-22 22:14 hm I read it works over GPRS 2011-02-22 22:15 yes 2011-02-22 22:15 voip over gprs 2011-02-22 22:15 it's more for speaking to a big number of listeners 2011-02-22 22:15 but you know that vendor lock-ins :) 2011-02-22 22:15 what I meant was some kind of p2p radio link 2011-02-22 22:15 Jay7: yes yes. 2011-02-22 22:16 good. I'm quite sure 'push-to-talk' is not what I want then :) 2011-02-22 22:16 I meant of some readio link independant of the network. 2011-02-22 22:17 viric: probably easier to get a walkie-talkie and carry two devices :) 2011-02-22 22:17 I see :) 2011-02-22 22:17 mobile phone with walkie-talkie glued together :) 2011-02-22 22:18 I'd like a single device like so. 2011-02-22 22:18 I'm still asking google for a device like that. Do you come up with some words that would keep away PTT? 2011-02-22 22:20 roh: hmm, or is it the hoster ? lists.en.qi-hardware.com also responds very reluctantly. i can reach other sites without trouble, so i don't think the problem is at my end