2011-02-19 02:24 wpwrak I assume tuxbrainÂ Â tuxbrain_away is asleeo. do you know ih he has pulled triger and made firm UBB order? 2011-02-19 05:40 Hello all, I have a USB drive that when inserted causes a bad_pool_header error. I am running xp, sp3. Is there a way to reformat the USB drive in safe mode or some other way to recover usefulness from the drive again? 2011-02-19 05:41 wrong channel 2011-02-19 09:55 [commit] kyak: MPlayer: add missing dependencies http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8598739 2011-02-19 10:25 dvdk: "BTW that happens automatically if mplayer lists them under DEPENDS." - http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8598739 2011-02-19 10:25 dvdk: though building the kernel might not be a good example, it IS working :) 2011-02-19 10:26 when an application has no external libraries dependencies - it would build. 2011-02-19 10:28 what's include directory is doing there? well, just examine the output of gcc -v in your system and see the paths search order 2011-02-19 10:28 kyak: I found out CartesianCardinalZap fails.. 2011-02-19 10:28 :P 2011-02-19 10:29 it's the fault of the ben's lua build though 2011-02-19 10:29 blaming it on others is a very important part of my job 2011-02-19 10:29 ;) 2011-02-19 10:30 bartbes: yeah, i know.. wanted to mention it to you :) 2011-02-19 10:30 actually, the thing is, lua uses double as number type by default 2011-02-19 10:30 ben's lua is patched (and rightfully so) to also have integers (int32, specifically) 2011-02-19 10:30 bartbes: another thing - when i try to "nlove-run non-existant-game", it still creates the non-existant-game.love file 2011-02-19 10:31 so because setColor is defined to use integers it doesn't accept doubles anymore 2011-02-19 10:31 then i run it for the second time, it would show error screen 2011-02-19 10:31 kyak: with a 404 html page in it, by coincidence? :P 2011-02-19 10:31 i think so :) 2011-02-19 10:31 I should check the return code of wget 2011-02-19 10:32 something to do when I add a list (and preferably updating) 2011-02-19 10:32 good! 2011-02-19 10:33 hopefully I'll have some time later today 2011-02-19 10:35 bartbes: btw, that fly-and-shoot game is awfully noisy. Can it be adjusted? 2011-02-19 10:35 yeah I was wondering the same thing.. 2011-02-19 10:35 is it respecting alsamixer? 2011-02-19 10:36 it should, it's using alsa for output 2011-02-19 10:36 but then again, alsamixer has never done anything for me 2011-02-19 10:36 or well, I could mute, but that's all 2011-02-19 10:40 yeah, alsamixer seems a little strange to me, too. Only has three vloume levels 2011-02-19 10:40 i wonder how gmu is doing that 2011-02-19 10:47 I think it just sets its output volume manually 2011-02-19 10:47 its own output volume, that is 2011-02-19 10:51 kyak: morning. 2011-02-19 10:51 kyak: you're quick.Â Â already had a patch for the Mplayer Makefile, but couldn't commit (merge conflict :) 2011-02-19 10:52 kyak: btw mplayer package name uses uppercase letters.Â Â have to do 'feeds install MPlayer'.Â Â is that normal? 2011-02-19 10:52 it's intentional, cause it's name is MPlayer 2011-02-19 10:52 kyak: hmm, debian package names for example are all lowercased. 2011-02-19 10:53 same lowercase naming for most of the other .ipks!? 2011-02-19 10:53 also directory name != package name is a little starteling at first 2011-02-19 10:54 btw: looks like we have full libc headers with gcc-mips 2011-02-19 10:54 just in the wrong directory. 2011-02-19 10:54 (but found and usable by gcc) 2011-02-19 10:54 maybe cmake/autoconf might not like that, but otherwise that's fine 2011-02-19 10:55 well, feel free to try it and report where it is causing problems :) 2011-02-19 11:01 at least you should've tried building a hello world program before saying that is it not fully working 2011-02-19 11:02 wow playing with the new image and it feels like improvements in every corner - nice! 2011-02-19 11:02 another person is complaining about missing libopcodes.so in previous image. Well, it least he found my bug report 2011-02-19 11:03 and knowing that we didn't achieve this with ugly hacks that will collapse after a few months is even better :-) 2011-02-19 11:06 wolfspraul: why are you so sure :) 2011-02-19 11:08 kyak: sorry about that (not trying gcc).Â Â shouldn't write emails in a hurry. 2011-02-19 11:09 wolfspraul: not quite. for example, this bug https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/8603 has a proposed path attached. But it hasn't got into openwrt feeds. So we use this hack: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/commit/5282f819237de47c92c67fa2759e9144d428b90a/ 2011-02-19 11:12 dvdk: it's ok! hard to keep an eye on the rapidly growing number of packages :) 2011-02-19 11:15 ok, going off to be more productive :)Â Â cu 2011-02-19 13:01 kyak: (dvdk in absence) I knew you guys would point me to ugly hacks :-) 2011-02-19 13:02 but that's exactly why I feel good on that end, our priorities are correct 2011-02-19 13:02 we will find cleaner solutions for those (temporary) hacks, for sure 2011-02-19 14:45 rjeffries: yes, i think he has sent the order. didn't he mention it here ? 2011-02-19 14:51 hmm, does anyone know some non-interactive Gerber editor ? i have a couple of lines in a footprint that i'd really love to get rid of, without changing the footprint 2011-02-19 14:51 (of course, sed would be an option ...) 2011-02-19 15:04 or a little perl script. hmm ... 2011-02-19 15:08 wpwrak David sent me email. irc logs are great. I wish there was a toll to search acroos ,ultiple lohs, e.g. most recent N days. 2011-02-19 15:08 wpwral said sed ,ight be a solution, That's eaht he sed 2011-02-19 15:10 rjeffries: i thought the search did span days ? 2011-02-19 15:10 (sed) :) 2011-02-19 15:15 if one is in a Ben application, is there a key to exit and retuen to launcher? 2011-02-19 15:15 I am in GMU do not know how to exit 2011-02-19 15:16 well powering off then on works 2011-02-19 15:19 rjeffries: alt + enter (exit gmu) 2011-02-19 15:19 rjeffries: you should read this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications 2011-02-19 15:21 kristianpaul okgounf that ESC escapes thedgclock 2011-02-19 15:24 okgounf? 2011-02-19 15:24 found ;) 2011-02-19 15:25 now in settings do not know how to escape\ 2011-02-19 15:25 it's all good I am sure 2011-02-19 15:25 Ben is like dungeons and dragons game: you are in a cave with many twisty passags 2011-02-19 15:26 hehe 2011-02-19 15:27 rjeffries: let's say that the user experience could often take some inspirations from apple ;-) 2011-02-19 15:27 power button is my friend 2011-02-19 15:28 one hidden benefit of having suffered through the windows experience may be under-exaggerated expectations :) 2011-02-19 15:29 I am glad I have a good shop. O need to take a few sips of whisky, and go to grunder and grind down a finger for the cute litt;e Ben keyboard. I hope it is blood-resistant 2011-02-19 15:31 wpwrak I sent email to UBB factory in Spain and told hime I'll order a 10-pack. Maybe I'll become hos USA distibutor, I dunno 2011-02-19 15:35 rjeffries: I guess that there is some way to exit from applications and coming back to menu 2011-02-19 15:37 am in main GMU screen, would like to get to a shell, not clear how to do that 2011-02-19 15:37 rjeffries: (grind down a finger) yeah, the keyboard could use some improving. layout and maybe also on the haptic side. i hope we'll get a chance to do that. 2011-02-19 15:38 rjeffries: (ubb factory) you mean you asked the spanish pcb fab to produce 10 units for you ? or do you mean you ordered ten from tuxbrain-the-company ? 2011-02-19 15:38 wpwrak if there is ever a follow-on to Ben, my opinion is a new larger case will be essential 2011-02-19 15:39 Tuxbrain I was trying to be funny, Davod now controls global UBB market 2011-02-19 15:40 wpwrak even I am not dumb enough to order PCBs from a fab in Europe\ 2011-02-19 15:41 rjeffries: (order from EU) oh, it's not impossible that you'd find competitive prices there. just that specific kind of transaction (10 units from somebody else's order) would be, erm, a little unusual :) 2011-02-19 15:42 smiles sure 2011-02-19 15:42 next week or so maybe I learn what USA UBB might cost to mfg. 2011-02-19 15:43 rjeffries: (larger case) maybe 1 mm more thickness to accommodate a proper USB host receptacle. i really like the current form factor. anything bigger would have to compete in an entirely different class of devices and R&D costs would explode. 2011-02-19 15:44 you make a good point 2011-02-19 15:44 rjeffries: (us cost) that would be great. the more data points we have, the better we're prepared to conduct future pcb orders. 2011-02-19 15:44 I am aware that case is a big hurdle 2011-02-19 15:45 rjeffries: the main problem with the case at present is that we don't have an open process to make it 2011-02-19 15:45 I have a talented mechanical engineer friend who has done a number of plastic designs for production in China 2011-02-19 15:45 I understand totally 2011-02-19 15:46 My thought i sto take scan data you created, as inout into a fresh design, new molds 2011-02-19 15:46 rjeffries: all we can do is ask wolfgang to ask his business contacts in china to fab a bunch more, but we don't have the CAD data, we can't edit/modify it, and even if we could, changing the tooling would be expensive 2011-02-19 15:46 rjeffries: yup. that would be a good start 2011-02-19 15:46 I understand all those issues. honest 2011-02-19 15:47 rjeffries: if you look at my counterweight, that's basically how i designed it. started with the scan data for a first rough design, then optimized with trial and error 2011-02-19 15:47 I assume wolfspraul can have as many shells produced as he needs. or he may have 10K he already bought I dunno 2011-02-19 15:47 rjeffries: (understand all issues) okay, just didn't know if you had followed that part 2011-02-19 15:48 I understand the need to not go head to head with other products but... 2011-02-19 15:48 i think he just buys complete devices. so one shell per device. maybe they could sell him bare shells, though. 2011-02-19 15:48 but speaking ONLY for myself, and not having much time with Ben, it is like a Dancing Elephant 2011-02-19 15:49 it is amazing that it even exists. but it will never do the Tango 2011-02-19 15:49 i think there is still a lot we can do while staying close to the original ben design to make the device more useful 2011-02-19 15:49 wpwrak I do NOT disagree at all 2011-02-19 15:50 e.g., the screen should use more of the available space. that alone would make it quite a bit nicer, without needing a change in overall size 2011-02-19 15:50 but the human interface of Ben is so constrained, it can IN MY OPINION never generate high volume sales 2011-02-19 15:51 the keyboard could be simplified and its haptics improved, again without increasing the size 2011-02-19 15:51 wpwrak you would be stuck with an akwark keyboard. and weak pointing capabilities 2011-02-19 15:51 for an nice keyboard, look at the oqo 01/01+. it's very clean and simple, yet also very small 2011-02-19 15:52 wpwrak I agree 1000 percent and realize that Ben is what it is. no problemo 2011-02-19 15:52 oQo was so sweet. still availabe? 2011-02-19 15:53 on a mainly UNRELATED note 2011-02-19 15:53 ironically, the OQO has a *higher* key density than the ben ;-) 2011-02-19 15:54 a parallel effort might involve a Nanonote derivaative that leverages the electronic design, with tweaks and additions, 2011-02-19 15:54 rjeffries: wpwrak: so finally we go to the past in the future :) NN of 2020 should be like HP Jornada 728 (talking just about keyboard, touchscreen, and dimensions :) ) 2011-02-19 15:54 and is packaged in a new very simple case that is targeted at control applications. 2011-02-19 15:54 (oqo) i think the company went down. yuoi can probably still find them on ebay. dunno if the oqo 02 was any good. i have a 01 and a 01+. the batteries suck, of course, and one of the power supplies died, but the base unit is indestructible ;-) 2011-02-19 15:55 Jornado was another sweet machine as was one of the Japanese devices that was similar\ 2011-02-19 15:55 today one would use a touch screen 2011-02-19 15:55 zrafa: actually, my dream is the HP100LX ;-) a bit smaller than the jornada. clean and simple applications that put a lot of information on the screen. screen size was CGA. 2011-02-19 15:56 back to SONN (son of Nanonote) 2011-02-19 15:56 SONN(tm)Â Â smiles 2011-02-19 15:56 zrafa: (HP100LX) i would steal the keyboard from the oqo, though. the hp keyboard was excellent, but also needs more space 2011-02-19 15:57 no keyboard (use yiou fav USB keybaordm even on eof those roll-up thingies 2011-02-19 15:57 wpwrak: ;-) 2011-02-19 15:57 wpwrak: I ask if hp100lx was sh3 arch 2011-02-19 15:57 I wonder* 2011-02-19 15:58 naw, i think a built-in keyboard is a good thing to have. that way, you can edit anywhere and all the time. not only when you have your gadget bag with you 2011-02-19 15:58 wpwrak: my hp 660lx is sh3 2011-02-19 15:58 is that same soc the Freerunner used?? 2011-02-19 15:58 zrafa: it was some 8088/8086. nec v20 or such. it ran DOS :) 2011-02-19 15:59 rjeffries: the Openmoko phones used Samsung S3C, ARM 2011-02-19 16:00 wpwrak: 8086 nice :) 2011-02-19 16:00 rjeffries: (japanese machines) maybe you mean the Sharp Zaurus 2011-02-19 16:00 zrafa: it even had a PCMCIA slot :) 2011-02-19 16:00 wpwrak did or did not we have a early Ben that Carlos team layed out that included USB host and 64MB ram? I am almost postibe qrty 10 were produced\ 2011-02-19 16:00 Zaurus yes. pretty cool 2011-02-19 16:00 zrafa: you needed that for storage. i had a 5 MB Flash card. bloody expensive back then. 2011-02-19 16:01 rjeffries: AVT2, yes 2011-02-19 16:01 was it Kicad or not? 2011-02-19 16:01 rjeffries: not sure, but i think it wasn't 2011-02-19 16:02 yeah prolly not 2011-02-19 16:02 continuing 2011-02-19 16:03 there could be a viable opportunity for a SONN that leverages a mor recnet Ingenic SOC, has USB Host, adds 2nd 8:10, and is NOT packaged in 2011-02-19 16:03 shiny black injection molded case 2011-02-19 16:05 do we think Ingenic SOC is in some way more open than say any of several ARM based SOCs? 2011-02-19 16:05 rjeffries: (more recent soc) that seems to be difficult. there are some slightly better chips than the 4720, but they're all a sourcing risk 2011-02-19 16:06 WARNING rjeffries as exceeded his quota. shutting down his transmissions 2011-02-19 16:06 rjeffries: and then there's a more advanced new chip but its long-term status is still uncertain and it it said to be very different from the chip we currently have 2011-02-19 16:06 ;) 2011-02-19 16:07 so current chip is a high volume product and as I recall costs under $3 2011-02-19 16:07 rjeffries: (no case) with the right numbers, everything is possible :) 2011-02-19 16:07 rjeffries: (high volume) yes, don't know the cost 2011-02-19 16:07 wolfspraul has said around $3 for ingenic 2011-02-19 16:08 so is AVT2 a viable starting point? 2011-02-19 16:09 or maybe the SAKC but rip off FPGA. (I'd thibnk hard about an AVR to provide a bunch of digital and analog i/o 2011-02-19 16:10 getting rid of built-in keyboard frees several GPIOs 2011-02-19 16:10 i think avt2 could be a starting point, yes 2011-02-19 16:10 (kbd) no, go to the 4740, which is the same chip as the 4720 but in a different package 2011-02-19 16:11 you need to set the gpios aside for the keyboard anyway, even if you use a few boards without keyboard 2011-02-19 16:11 oh yes, Ben uses a package that is a bit difficult 2011-02-19 16:11 one could say that ;-) 2011-02-19 16:12 oh i am headed a differen direction ;) assume external USB connected keyboard\ 2011-02-19 16:12 good huan interface cheap widely availble 2011-02-19 16:13 and unpocketable 2011-02-19 16:14 wheeeaaa !!!, the laser cutter parts arived, now i must go and pickup then to the office :D 2011-02-19 16:14 arrived* 2011-02-19 16:14 kristianpaul: have fun ! :) 2011-02-19 16:21 wpwrak agree re not a pocket device 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben.brd: increased board size by 0.1 mm on each side and relaxed layout http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/640195e 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben: reduced ridiculously long AVDD trace and cleaned up the area http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/771926f 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben: more layout cleanup; improved CLKM test point http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3c51458 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben: further crystal and RF ground cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1a790af 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben.brd: small cosmetic layout corrections http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/21f62a7 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben/Makefile: added targets for generating and reviewing Gerbers http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/208f972 2011-02-19 16:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben.brd: cleanup for visualization http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/394bf3a 2011-02-19 16:34 woah 2011-02-19 16:34 this will be fun to look at once we have brdhost :) 2011-02-19 16:34 s/host/hist/ 2011-02-19 17:00 wpwrak once your atben and atUSB designs are locked down, do you know if/when they will be manufactured? 2011-02-19 17:11 rjeffries: the plan is that sharism will manufacture them, probably as soon as possible 2011-02-19 17:11 rjeffries: of course, whether this will happen or not can only be told in retrospective :) 2011-02-19 17:13 grmbl. one more dead mill enters the graveyard. i wonder what happened. those 35 mil things aren't supposed to break easily. well, it has had quite a long service life ... 2011-02-19 17:14 moved too fast? vibrations? 2011-02-19 17:15 wpwrak: when you got stuff like 12mm endmills breaking... thats the point where one is lucky to have cameras and not to be in the same room as the mill 2011-02-19 17:18 roh: (too fast) i did probably a hundred boards with these parameters. (vibrations) maybe the board got unstuck somehow. or maybe there was some transmission error that made the mill try to do something evil. 2011-02-19 17:18 roh what kind of cns mill do you have 2011-02-19 17:18 cnc 2011-02-19 17:18 roh: (12 mm) whee, weapons-grade shrapnel ;-) 2011-02-19 17:18 rjeffries: we got a chinese 3 axis machine. i think the taper is 'mk2' or so 2011-02-19 17:19 can hold up to 16mm diameter 2011-02-19 17:19 roughly what does such a machine cost 2011-02-19 17:19 roughly 2.5 to 3.5keuro 2011-02-19 17:20 nods not cheap 2011-02-19 17:20 they sell this machine for around 10 kUSD in argentina. bastards. 2011-02-19 17:21 roh: it's the X4, right ? 4th axis ? 2011-02-19 17:21 admitting lack of knowledge: I assume the head moves, the stock is staionery? 2011-02-19 17:21 nope. syil bf20 2011-02-19 17:21 the X4 wouldnt have manual control at all 2011-02-19 17:22 X4 doesnt have handwheels and also no 'manual z axis' 2011-02-19 17:22 ah, don't have prices for the bf20 2011-02-19 17:22 wpwrak: i guess its already too old 2011-02-19 17:24 heavy duty: 2011-02-19 17:24 https://www.tormach.com/document_library/Datasheets/DS31095_PCNC1100.pdf 2011-02-19 17:24 the important part is to have proper spindles and such. controllers, motors.. that can be changed easily. precision isnt gained afterwards 2011-02-19 17:25 rjeffries: we can mill steel and such. up to the size of 2 'bricks' 2011-02-19 17:25 its all in inch. too lazy to redo the math for real-world comparisons 2011-02-19 17:25 roh besides making MM cases what other work does your shop do 2011-02-19 17:25 but it seems bigger than ours 2011-02-19 17:26 rjeffries: not much. its a hackspace, so its mostly hobbyist work 2011-02-19 17:26 rjeffries: m21.hyte.de 2011-02-19 17:27 ok thx 2011-02-19 17:27 decent link here: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/43633-opti_bf_20_cnc_kit.html 2011-02-19 17:29 roh nice site Google should get a Nobel peace price for providing translation service it rocks 2011-02-19 17:30 rjeffries: careful. the bf20 seems to be the chinese copy of a german machine which is several times as expensive ;) 2011-02-19 17:31 works for me 2011-02-19 17:31 rjeffries: https://m21.hyte.de/attachment/wiki/RepStrap/repstrap_total.jpg there is a full picture 2011-02-19 17:34 fiting the sheets 2011-02-19 17:37 dammit is not well aligned.. 2011-02-19 17:38 the 4 holes on PCB with acrylic sheet, after put the side with the VGA output.. 2011-02-19 17:38 kristianpaul: v2 will be better ;-) 2011-02-19 17:39 hmm i'm not going to make a case fab here.. 2011-02-19 17:39 thats why we have roh :-) 2011-02-19 17:39 roh: your competition has just auto-eliminated itself :) 2011-02-19 17:40 i just need a case as i have a mm1 "performance" in two moths 2011-02-19 17:40 kristianpaul: is the misalignment something you can work around ? 2011-02-19 17:41 wpwrak: always good ;) 2011-02-19 17:41 wpwrak: seems is just one axis 2011-02-19 17:41 sure 2011-02-19 17:41 kristianpaul: i checked.. shipping to columbia from here with <=2kg is about 14E 2011-02-19 17:41 i have a milling tool 2011-02-19 17:41 not insured 2011-02-19 17:41 :-( 2011-02-19 17:42 i'll use glue :D 2011-02-19 17:42 wpwrak: i'll comparelater misalignment with cad file, just in case.. 2011-02-19 17:43 compare later** 2011-02-19 17:44 in what way is it misaligned? 2011-02-19 17:46 lets said VGA sideis Y axis and LAN X 2011-02-19 17:46 so if you fit the board with Y 2011-02-19 17:46 the holes are misaligned with respect that axis 2011-02-19 17:47 2-3 mm from it should be 2011-02-19 17:47 uh 2011-02-19 17:47 1-2mm~ 2011-02-19 17:47 :p 2011-02-19 17:48 is the laser uncalibrated? 2011-02-19 17:48 as in total dimension 2011-02-19 17:48 s 2011-02-19 17:49 i dunno i just send the cad, pay, choosed color, and got the parts back today 2011-02-19 17:50 hmm, onceÂ Â you fit the side-plate seems dagerous try remove it.. 2011-02-19 17:51 ahh wait !! 2011-02-19 17:51 it wpu;d be cool to use a camera attached to MM as input, so e.g. movments on dancefloor feed back and affect the graphn display in a VJ context 2011-02-19 17:52 the cover plate is not aligned in all directions.. 2011-02-19 17:52 rjeffries: it is posible, you can attach a composite out from a vide camera 2011-02-19 17:53 what is approx size of MM enclosure I have no idea but think it is rather compact?? 2011-02-19 17:54 like an apple mini i can imagine.. 2011-02-19 17:54 may be a bit bigger than that 2011-02-19 17:55 this is clever: http://reflectionof.me/usb-flash-drives-on-cardboard 2011-02-19 17:56 learn how to proper move the acrylic to fit in once try 2011-02-19 17:59 good, is ready just the mm1 board not inside :p 2011-02-19 18:08 kyak: i think i got the issue with qt4 / nanomap - just ping me if you're around... 2011-02-19 18:19 mirko: how are you rfm12b tests going? 2011-02-19 18:21 roh so you may know Joachim Steiger? ') 2011-02-19 18:23 ? thats me 2011-02-19 18:27 ah, board is suspended... 2011-02-19 18:27 now holes seems to be aligned 2011-02-19 18:32 ok, now i may consider compete with roh ;-) 2011-02-19 18:38 taking pics 2011-02-19 18:51 is this the HopeRF thingie? 10:17 mirko: how are you rfm12b tests going? 2011-02-19 19:01 ran llgal 2011-02-19 19:06 Hey everybody !! http://kristianpaul.org/gallery/mm1%20case/ 2011-02-19 19:07 please blame now ;-) 2011-02-19 19:18 Thats smoke color 2011-02-19 19:18 I was close to choose trapartent acrlic but.. 2011-02-19 19:20 some a prety good pics :), 2011-02-19 19:22 kristianpaul: you did that???!!!! 2011-02-19 19:23 zrafa: no no 2011-02-19 19:23 zrafa: is roh design 2011-02-19 19:23 i just pay to be cutted :-) 2011-02-19 19:24 nice! ;9 2011-02-19 19:24 kristianpaul: ^ 2011-02-19 19:24 ;) 2011-02-19 19:24 how much it cost to you? 2011-02-19 19:26 CHEAPP !!! 2011-02-19 19:27 7usd material + cut 2011-02-19 19:27 4.5usd shipping 2011-02-19 19:27 Thats why i took the risk 2011-02-19 19:27 and in two days i got the thing :-) 2011-02-19 19:27 wow!!! 2011-02-19 19:28 yeah 2011-02-19 19:28 yes you can be a very heavy roh competitor :) 2011-02-19 19:28 i said when i quoute first time 2011-02-19 19:28 hehe 2011-02-19 19:28 kristianpaul: where did they do that? 2011-02-19 19:29 zrafa: a friend in bogota told about a company called dataprint, and then i write then 2011-02-19 19:29 kristianpaul: and dataprint is from botoga? 2011-02-19 19:29 zrafa: yes 2011-02-19 19:29 nice ;) 2011-02-19 19:30 zrafa: http://dataprint.webs.com/ 2011-02-19 19:39 ah, sorry 10usd material + cut 2011-02-19 19:40 also they told i may get two cases from same sheet, but i dint have more money to try.. 2011-02-19 19:40 I got my case, i'm happy :-) 2011-02-19 19:46 roh: i need the buttons !! 2011-02-19 19:46 but damn expesive is bring then.. 2011-02-19 19:47 the buttons are just more acryllic 2011-02-19 19:48 0.5mm and 1.0mm 2011-02-19 19:48 the 1.0mm is a 12mm diameter circle 2011-02-19 19:48 the 0.5 is something like 7.9mm diameter 2011-02-19 19:49 the 1.0mm piece keeps the button from falling out, the 0.5mm one makes it stand out of the front a bit 2011-02-19 19:58 130 UBB already preordered, 270Â¬ , we have past halfway to achiev the 500Â¬ mark to recover invest :) 2011-02-19 19:59 mailing to NN costumer not sended yet, hurry up guys I think there is hungry on NN hacking :) 2011-02-19 19:59 good :-) 2011-02-19 20:00 tuxbrain_away: what are you selling? 2011-02-19 20:00 roh: do you have cad designs for the buttons? 2011-02-19 20:00 May be i can extrude the circle and print it here 2011-02-19 20:01 kristianpaul: not really. just 2 circles 2011-02-19 20:01 mstevens: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/UBB 2011-02-19 20:01 roh: ah, you alreadt toldme the diameter, good :-) 2011-02-19 20:01 kristianpaul: the thickness of the circles needs to be exact. atleast thats what i learnt 2011-02-19 20:02 if its 10% off the buttons will either wobble or jam 2011-02-19 20:02 mstevens: here https://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=1880 2011-02-19 20:02 atleast if the 1mm thick, 12mm diameter one 2011-02-19 20:02 aah I'm more a software person 2011-02-19 20:04 mstevens: well we need also people working in the software stack of 8:10 interacction :) 2011-02-19 20:04 n8 guys. pizza, then bar for me now 2011-02-19 20:07 nite 2011-02-19 20:32 hi 2011-02-19 20:33 rehi 2011-02-19 20:33 hello 2011-02-19 20:33 has a prob with ben 2011-02-19 20:33 prob? 2011-02-19 20:34 probe? 2011-02-19 20:34 yep, buyed one 2011-02-19 20:34 problem 2011-02-19 20:34 connected to pc for loading battery 2011-02-19 20:34 battery seems full 2011-02-19 20:34 but ben doesnt boot :( 2011-02-19 20:35 are they delivered without OS in side? 2011-02-19 20:36 no 2011-02-19 20:37 how long you keep pushed poweron button? 2011-02-19 20:38 nearly 5 sec 2011-02-19 20:38 even screen doesnt flash 2011-02-19 20:38 but heared little noise in earphone 2011-02-19 20:39 so i guess it powered up 2011-02-19 20:39 but no boot 2011-02-19 20:39 ok, can you try same without battery and just power from usb? 2011-02-19 20:39 i'l try 2011-02-19 20:39 you also should try lsusb and share the result with us 2011-02-19 20:40 doesnt boot 2011-02-19 20:40 lsusb? 2011-02-19 20:40 but windows seems to discover the tool 2011-02-19 20:40 no linux at hands atm 2011-02-19 20:40 hmm 2011-02-19 20:41 well you need a linux system or a sd card to flash your ben 2011-02-19 20:41 i guess, i have to install a linux on laptop first, eh? 2011-02-19 20:41 ideally yes.. 2011-02-19 20:42 But dont scare, you Ben should be okay, i cant be bricked easilly 2011-02-19 20:45 kyak: can you confirm the very first created Makefile ($(TOPDIR)/Makefile) is correct bur further ones get wrong pathes, variables,etc.? 2011-02-19 20:45 ...but _only_ further ones... 2011-02-19 20:56 kristianpaul: (mm1 case) very pretty ! 2011-02-19 20:56 tuxbrain_away: (130 UBB) good ! 2011-02-19 21:01 ok, so i will try with an linux laptop again 2011-02-19 21:01 tomorow :D 2011-02-19 21:02 oh, one more question: how long does ben run with one charge of battery? 2011-02-19 21:03 wants to use it as replacement for my stolen zaurus (PDA) 2011-02-19 22:37 Fusin:http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Battery_Monitoring 2011-02-19 22:39 wpwrak: not so prety after a home made hole to let the jtag-serial cable to pass inside the case 2011-02-19 22:41 kristianpaul: the term "hacker" isn't meant to be used quite so literally ;-) 2011-02-19 22:53 Hi all 2011-02-19 22:53 Anyone had success reflashing? 2011-02-19 22:53 sure :-) 2011-02-19 22:53 It still hope ;-) 2011-02-19 22:54 Is usbboot mode success random or is there some method to it? 2011-02-19 22:54 If in your method you use the rubber carbon thing, itÂ Â should improve sucess 2011-02-19 22:55 OK 2011-02-19 22:55 What are you using now? 2011-02-19 22:55 I used to have big troubles with my dell desktop at work 2011-02-19 22:55 nothing would work 2011-02-19 22:55 Foil. 2011-02-19 22:55 with a thinkpad laptop it worked right away 2011-02-19 22:56 I lost the button. 2011-02-19 22:56 so it heavily depends on the usb host hardware / drivers it seems 2011-02-19 22:56 xMff: hmm 2011-02-19 22:56 ormris: i see 2011-02-19 22:57 ormris: how many hands do you have? ;-) 2011-02-19 22:57 Two. 2011-02-19 22:57 But I can type with one. :) 2011-02-19 22:57 could be worse 2011-02-19 22:57 ormris: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode i guess you read this, but i want to make sure first 2011-02-19 22:58 I did. 2011-02-19 22:58