2011-02-18 00:02 tuxbrain_away: alright :) 2011-02-18 00:11 tuxbrain_away they will run 1,000 all at same time. after you oredr the first 500 they'll sell the second 500 at a lower price. 2011-02-18 00:11 you may be better off ordering the 1,000 have they quoted prices at quantity 1,000 ? 2011-02-18 00:13 I am almost (not quite) ready to get a US quote, whuch muht be interesting. I would assume my qupute and yours should be similar price plus or minus 5 percent 2011-02-18 00:15 need keyboard manufacturer :) 2011-02-18 00:15 I definitely need hybrid of MS NEK 4000 with IBM trackpoint instead of Zoom in middle 2011-02-18 00:16 and with better mechanic.. even for $100 per unit.. 2011-02-18 00:16 or may be $200 even.. 2011-02-18 01:46 xiangfu, any news about 02-14 release? 2011-02-18 01:47 panda|x201: xiangfu ran into a bug with the sound module due to 2.6.32.27 kernel upgrade 2011-02-18 01:47 wolfspra1l, ah, long time no see, wolfgang 2011-02-18 01:48 really? i'm here all the time 2011-02-18 01:50 Jay7: have you gotten kernel+kexecboot(initramfs) on kernel partition in nn? 2011-02-18 01:51 zrafa: not yet, coming soon :) 2011-02-18 01:51 Jay7: what is the status? 2011-02-18 01:51 this is next item in todo list :) 2011-02-18 01:53 I should merge linux-jlime-nanonote into linux-kexecboot recipe in OE 2011-02-18 01:53 to be able to build kexecboot kernel + initramfs 2011-02-18 02:01 -> sleep 2011-02-18 02:09 panda|x201: wolfspra1l just fixed.  needs enable some option in kernel_menuconfig 2011-02-18 02:16 ah that was easy :-) 2011-02-18 02:21 wolfspra1l: wpwrak http://www.nokiaplanm.com/ 2011-02-18 02:21 check below after the spec , there are pics of the new product 2011-02-18 02:23 if you need more, here the index of the alternatives plans of nokia : http://nokiaplans.com/ 2011-02-18 02:24 zrafa: planm? I read about planb the other day, the engineer's revenge 2011-02-18 02:24 www.nokiaplanb.com 2011-02-18 02:24 that one for sure has no chance for success, let's see planm now... 2011-02-18 02:25 planm looks good ;-)))) 2011-02-18 02:26 wpwrak: wolfspra1l :) .. plana would be stable I guess 2011-02-18 02:33 the text is lame, but the pic pretty cool! 2011-02-18 02:34 that's how the first Qi smartphone will look like 2011-02-18 02:36 well those plans are fun at leat 2011-02-18 02:36 least 2011-02-18 02:40 yeah 2011-02-18 02:47 with all the unhappiness, i wonder how long until people act on it. tunesia, egypt, nokia ? :) 2011-02-18 02:49 Openmokia.. hehe 2011-02-18 02:51 ;-))) 2011-02-18 02:52 steve|m: the domains still seem to be available (-:C 2011-02-18 02:56 hmm, seems that i have a sourcing crisis at my hands :-( adhesive tape is running low ... let's see if i can make it through the night with what's left ... 2011-02-18 02:57 uh oh, I smell bad supply chain management.. just-in-time sourcing :P 2011-02-18 02:58 Is there anyone know where's OM wikireader's schematic? 2011-02-18 02:58 yeah. i actually noticed something like 2-3 days ago, but keep on forgetting to buy new one 2011-02-18 03:00 or it have never been publicly at all? 2011-02-18 03:01 adamw_: i don't remember seeing it published 2011-02-18 03:02 wpwrak, me either. I just want to know & find it. 2011-02-18 03:27 adamw_: btw, why on earth ? can't you design something better over lunch ? :) 2011-02-18 03:32 dammit, i dont know what happen i just get home and my home router/swich was off... by 8 hrs. 2011-02-18 03:34 wpwrak, man! forget it. 2011-02-18 03:39 hi guys 2011-02-18 03:41 hey rejon 2011-02-18 04:27 rjeffries: i think you underestimate the extra value you pay for when producing things at home (as opposed to the far east) ;-) 2011-02-18 04:30 rjeffries: but i'm kinda curious where this will lead. may learn a thing or two :) 2011-02-18 04:36 wpwrak not sure why you think this UBB fab would go offshore. I expect in these small qty it will be local. However, if specs are solid and venodr quality is known to my middleman, then risk of China fab seems ok. 2011-02-18 04:37 wha made you think it will go to China? 2011-02-18 04:39 rjeffries: no, what i mean is that you can expect the pcb fab to communicate any small problem to you. they will factor some communication overhead into their process. 2011-02-18 04:40 ok 2011-02-18 04:40 rjeffries: so you don't need to plan for an "open loop" process. that would be needed if you went to china (well, unless you know the place you're dealing with well and have established good communication) 2011-02-18 04:41 the guy I plan to go through (as my interface to fab) has done multiple fabs for a good friend, those are far more complex than UBB 2011-02-18 04:42 also we worked with him when I was at the company I worked at for 8 years. he is a known quantity amd reliable 2011-02-18 04:42 rjeffries: yeah, almost everything is more complex than UBB ;-) just be careful about the cutting of the board. that's the hairy bit. 2011-02-18 04:43 yup that worries me. I wonder if the physical dimension spec is stated as clearly as it must be 2011-02-18 04:43 Icertainly understand that standard v-scorinbg is a non starter 2011-02-18 04:44 [askshimself, why the hell did I even THINK about doing this???] 2011-02-18 04:45 you have about 100-200 um of tolerance before things get really bad. but yes, i don't see a way for v-scoring to meet this without trouble. a mill can do it, but needs some mechanical support. preferably better than the double-sided tape on FR2 i use ;-) 2011-02-18 04:47 i think a laser cutter would be ideal. but i don't know how common they are at pcb fabs. in any case, they have *something* that can cut boards precisely. the thinness of the board should already eliminate places with medieval technology 2011-02-18 04:50 if the pcb fab is attentive and uses a cnc mill, they should complain about the concave corners, because a mill can't make such corners :) but it can approximate them in several ways. 2011-02-18 04:50 if they have a laser cutter with a fine enough beam, they won't care, because it'll all be within the tolerances 2011-02-18 04:53 also, if they just do it with a reasonably fine "standard mill", it'll be alright (i use a 35 mil bit, which is sufficient. if they use something larger, then the board may need some manual trimming to lock nicely. it will insert/remove no matter how big the bit is, because there are only convex corners involved there, and you can mill those "perfectly") 2011-02-18 05:53 xiangfu: hi! 2011-02-18 05:54 xiangfu: i wasn't able to build pango.. so no config_full -\ 2011-02-18 05:55 xiangfu: however, i don't experience any sound issues though i've been using 2.6.32.27 for a while now... 2011-02-18 05:56 kyak: the option CONFIG_I2C not enable in kernel config. by enable CONFIG_I2C, sound works fine. 2011-02-18 05:56 I have test all the apps in gmenu2x. all works fine. 2011-02-18 05:56 ok, that's great news 2011-02-18 05:57 rjeffries:(fab qty) nop, they will run a 528 run,not 1000, but on second batch a lot of initial cost will not have to be payed again so first batch is expensive than all the rest. 2011-02-18 05:57 # CONFIG_I2C is not set 2011-02-18 05:57 hm.. why i don't see ths issues? 2011-02-18 05:58 kyak: the 'dmesg' not report any error? 2011-02-18 05:58 i reflashed couple of days ago.. maybe it's a really new bug 2011-02-18 05:58 xiangfu: i didn't have a look in dmesg.. just the sound is working 2011-02-18 05:59 kyak: ok. anyway. let'us start with those images :) : http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-02182011-0648/ 2011-02-18 05:59 I will download and do fast test again . then send email to list. 2011-02-18 05:59 this time is real release ;-) 2011-02-18 05:59 xiangfu: ok. going to try that at home 2011-02-18 05:59 kyak: when you build your sound modules did you had add openwrt packages selected? 2011-02-18 05:59 will update to 512 Mb rootfs :) 2011-02-18 06:00 larsc: which modules exactly? 2011-02-18 06:00 well the ones used for sound 2011-02-18 06:01 i'm not sure, i never thought about it. What should i look for in config? 2011-02-18 06:02 If I2C was enabled during build, it is also a runtime requirement for the asoc-core. 2011-02-18 06:02 If it was not it is not 2011-02-18 06:02 so if you build your sound modules while the i2c modules were selected, you have to load the i2c modules before you can load the sound modules 2011-02-18 06:04 well, since i don't have i2c enabled, i don't have to load it.. 2011-02-18 06:04 sound modules just load 2011-02-18 06:05 yep 2011-02-18 06:05 larsc: there was a question about using monolythic kernel on malining lists. .What do you think about it? 2011-02-18 06:05 then why the default build about sound module have i2c enable? 2011-02-18 06:07 I think we should just add the spi and i2c modules as a dependcy to sound-soc-core, that should avoid any further problems 2011-02-18 06:07 kyak: when? 2011-02-18 06:07 xiangfu: maybe your full build has something like i2c-tools enabled, that makes the i2c avaialble in your build environment, but then there is no i2c on target due to lack of CONFIG_I2C? 2011-02-18 06:08 interesting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-bans-free-software-from-Windows-Phone-Marketplace-1191524.html 2011-02-18 06:08 larsc: one sec, it was an em-ail from xiangfu 2011-02-18 06:08 so gpl software seems to be excluded from iphone/ipad, as well as wp7. 2011-02-18 06:10 wolfspra1l: we can just lean back and let them do the marketing for us ;-) 2011-02-18 06:12 larsc: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-January/006836.html 2011-02-18 06:13 :) 2011-02-18 06:14 kyak: i know i had very good reasons to them into modules, but i actually can't remeber what these reasons were. 2011-02-18 06:14 hehe :) 2011-02-18 06:14 maybe we could just make it into the kernel and the reasons why? 2011-02-18 06:14 *find the reasons 2011-02-18 06:16 sure 2011-02-18 06:16 xiangfu: btw. my wife beat the supertux, and there is a nasty segfault during credits on the last (26th) level :) 2011-02-18 06:16 maybe it's intended, like a victory prize :) 2011-02-18 06:32 [commit] kyak: w3m: fix build with config.full_system http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/880c971 2011-02-18 07:08 atben: now 54 vias. atusb: 64 vias. grmbl. 2011-02-18 07:11 sseago: reading the backlog - you are a new Ben owner - welcome! happy to see you here. 2011-02-18 07:30 kyak: oh. I even not pass the level 1 :) 2011-02-18 07:31 xiangfu: :) 2011-02-18 07:32 kyak: the reflash_ben.sh progress show not correct when flash bootloader: http://pastebin.com/UX8TEHu8 2011-02-18 07:33 the bootloader always show 1/2 . in fact it's finished. 2011-02-18 07:33 kyak: thanks for fix w3m. :) 2011-02-18 07:34 xiangfu: guess it could be due to those u-boot errors you mentioned yesterday.. i'll have a look.. basically these # 2011-02-18 07:35 number - Done:  1/2 - are taken from usbboot output 2011-02-18 07:35 it reports 2 blocks to be flashed, but only flashes one? 2011-02-18 07:36 no. it's indeed flashes two. 2011-02-18 07:38 xiangfu: ok. can you upload the log somewhere? 2011-02-18 07:40 kyak: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/tmp/log.txt 2011-02-18 07:41 xiangfu: ok. i'll have a look 2011-02-18 07:41 thanks. 2011-02-18 07:41 xiangfu: btw, i made the latest NanoMap from git compile. But the amount of overrides in Makefile is enourmous 2011-02-18 07:41 kyak: thanks for fix w3m , will try to build it today evening 2011-02-18 07:42 this needs to be sorted our with mirko somehow.. i don't know why i always have to override variables when porting qt4 apps 2011-02-18 07:42 xiangfu: np! 2011-02-18 07:42 [commit] kyak: NanoMap: update to the latest git http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3588d8 2011-02-18 07:43 mirko: xiangfu -^^ 2011-02-18 07:44 and this has to be done in all *.pro files, as you can see 2011-02-18 07:59 xiangfu: reflash_ben.sh. Got the problem: 2011-02-18 07:59 if [[ "$ILINE" =~ Checking\ [[:digit:]]+\ bytes\.\.\.\ Comparing\ [[:digit:]]+\ bytes\ -\ SUCCESS$ || "$ILINE" =~ Checking\ [[:digit:]]+\ bytes\.\.\.\ no\ check\!\ End\ at\ Page\:\ [[:digit:]]+ ]]; then 2011-02-18 08:00 this is the condition to increment the number of Done blocks 2011-02-18 08:00 however, in your case, you had Checking 524288 bytes... Comparing 524288 bytes - FAIL at off 2048, wrote 0x0, read 0xff 2011-02-18 08:00 therefor, only 1/2 blocks got flashed with SUCCESS 2011-02-18 08:01 xiangfu: do you think the number of Done blocks should also increase when the block has FAILed to write? 2011-02-18 08:02 this can be done easily, but maybe it is better to leave it like it is, so that people can see how many blocks FAILed? 2011-02-18 08:03 yes. let's leave it. we are not hiding problem. we need prompt problem. and document it well :) 2011-02-18 08:04 good :) 2011-02-18 08:04 you've also detected an undocumented feature of reflash_ben.sh ;) 2011-02-18 08:25 kyak: the 'freedroid' only works with '-q' 2011-02-18 08:28 'emacs' can not start in gmenu2x. but works find in terminal. 2011-02-18 08:36 xiangfu: freedroid - right, we discussed that already.. must have swap enabled for the sound to work 2011-02-18 08:36 this is the reason you decided to remove it from gmenu2x 2011-02-18 08:36 (maybe re-add it with params=-q?) 2011-02-18 08:37 yes. I would like to just make it work by adding "params=-q" 2011-02-18 08:37 it's a cool game actually 2011-02-18 08:38 a little bit too heavy for Ben, but ok 2011-02-18 08:41 [commit] kyak: NanoMap: install monav libs http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/193f1d3 2011-02-18 08:42 xiangfu: if i'm not mistaken, nielsle is the developer of NanoMap? 2011-02-18 08:42 kyak: yes, correct [niels] 2011-02-18 08:43 i found some undocumented features in NanoMap, including this monav support.. Would be great to have it explained a little bit :) 2011-02-18 08:43 if you press "L" you can add various layers.. include time and battery 2011-02-18 08:43 I'm a super big fan of NanoMap, but I'm not sure how much the (limited) Ben is still Niels focus. some of his latest stuff looks like he is developing on a notebook or so. 2011-02-18 08:43 looks very good, but not documented 2011-02-18 08:44 maybe we can poke niels sometime :) 2011-02-18 08:44 for me it needs an index, so I can search for street names, subway lines, etc. 2011-02-18 08:44 then there needs to be a way to quickly load a map of some city onto the device 2011-02-18 08:44 kyak: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/testing/2011-02-16/ 2011-02-18 08:45 finally I got a version. two known issue. 1. emacs not start in gmenu2x, 2. freedroid needs '-q' 2011-02-18 08:45 xiangfu: ok. Will give it a try as soon as i can 2011-02-18 08:46 wolfspraul: btw, i used NanoMap on my laptop to pre-download necessary data (iamge tiles). I then uploaded it to Ben 2011-02-18 08:46 i found it faster/more convenient 2011-02-18 08:50 "Play as Tux in a quest to save the world from the murderous rebel bots who know no mercy" - haha, interesting :) 2011-02-18 08:50 http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/ and http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/ also update. 2011-02-18 08:51 xiangfu: good. so opkg update && opkg install package_name should work? 2011-02-18 08:51 kyak: sure. 2011-02-18 08:51 of cause ;-) 2011-02-18 08:52 xiangfu: were there any packages that failed to build? like, php? 2011-02-18 08:54 no, php is there :) 2011-02-18 08:54 kyak: all the package in config.full_system (but w3m, plplot) are compile fine. 2011-02-18 08:55 there are some package not compile. next time I will record them to a file. 2011-02-18 08:55 i still don't understand how you managed to build pango.. might wanna have a look at logs 2011-02-18 08:55 when run "make" without V=99. there are a list of package which not compile 2011-02-18 08:56 xiangfu: oh, maybe we can copy w3m to packages once it's built :) 2011-02-18 08:57 so people can install it even if it's not in rootfs 2011-02-18 08:57 ah, that would require updating of Packages.gz... nevermind 2011-02-18 08:58 yes. it needs update Package.gz. 2011-02-18 09:05 actually, it would be a one step forward to "rolling releases" if we do that 2011-02-18 09:06 if we always keep the packages/NanoNote/ 2011-02-18 09:06 Ben/latest up to date 2011-02-18 09:06 then people can just update continously 2011-02-18 09:17 yes. there are two issue for now. 2011-02-18 09:17 1. those file that overwrite openwrt files  openwrt-xburst.git/files/etc/* 2011-02-18 09:18 2. linux can not reflash the bootloader. 2011-02-18 09:18 for 1). when can create a package, that include those file. then add small script file at /etc/uci-defaults for fix that. 2011-02-18 09:19 2) I still not find a solution. don't have time to write a software ecc in linux. 2011-02-18 09:23 flashing the bootloader can be done manually in a usual manner once in a while 2011-02-18 09:23 as i see it, uboot and kernel are pretty stable, right? 2011-02-18 09:26 for now it's pretty stable 2011-02-18 09:29 wpwrak: have you contact avr-dude developers to include the patch? Did you mind If I fill a ticket in his tracking system to the patch be included in main avrdude, maybe this way we can create a ipk without forking the actual avrdude 2011-02-18 09:29 xiangfu: you can throw w3m into bin/..../packages and run "make package/index" 2011-02-18 09:30 when you approach rolling releases you should be sure to flag essential packages as hold 2011-02-18 09:30 so that opkg does not upgrade them, e.g. when there's a new kernel with new kmods 2011-02-18 09:30 jow_laptop: thanks for the info. 2011-02-18 09:32 jow_laptop: nice hint! what's the flag name, how to do this? 2011-02-18 09:32 PKG_FLAGS:=hold 2011-02-18 09:32 see for example package/kernel/Makefile 2011-02-18 09:33 ok, i see 2011-02-18 09:33 another interesting flag is "essential", opkg will refuse to uninstall such packages unless forced to 2011-02-18 09:33 I added that to libc and others 2011-02-18 09:33 are there more flags? 2011-02-18 09:34 yes there are but none that make sense within the build environment 2011-02-18 09:36 the kernel partition size on the current NN images is fixed, right? 2011-02-18 09:37 yeah.. hasn't changed 2011-02-18 09:37 and its an mtd partition without filesystem? 2011-02-18 09:38 no filesystem there as far as i udnerstand 2011-02-18 09:38 in this case you could even implement kernel upgrades, by doing an mtd write from within a preinstall script 2011-02-18 09:39 xiangfu: -^^ 2011-02-18 09:39 and as far as I understood the NN can boot without any kmods? 2011-02-18 09:39 this would make it more robust in case opkg failed to upgrade them 2011-02-18 09:39 hm yes, i think only sound is build as kmods 2011-02-18 09:40 in 2011-02-16, there is one small command. 'mtd.nn'  , for flash kernel. "mtd.nn flash kernel openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-uImage.bin" 2011-02-18 09:40 jow_laptop: btw, do you have a workaround for that pango compilation issue (bug 8813) before a real fix is backported? 2011-02-18 09:49 kyak: you can try replacing PKG_FIXUP:=libtool with PKG_FIXUP:=autoreconf 2011-02-18 09:52 needs go. see you 2011-02-18 09:52 jow_laptop: btw - thanks a lot for your suggestions, they are very appreciated! 2011-02-18 09:55 thanks jow_laptop again. ;-) 2011-02-18 10:05 jow_laptop: i did it last time when you suggested, but it didn't help -\ 2011-02-18 10:07 kyak: I see. 2011-02-18 10:07 kyak: whats broken with autoreconf? missing macros? 2011-02-18 10:09 oh I see 2011-02-18 10:09 its one of those braindead projects that ship libtool in their aclocal.m4 2011-02-18 10:09 jow_laptop: and it's pretty strange that it is working fine for xiangfu! 2011-02-18 10:09 braindead :) 2011-02-18 10:10 I bet xiangfu has a suitable libtool on his host system 2011-02-18 10:10 i.e. matching versions? 2011-02-18 10:10 correct 2011-02-18 10:10 ok... 2011-02-18 10:10 so the issue is hidden 2011-02-18 10:10 let me check something 2011-02-18 10:10 sure 2011-02-18 10:11 hi package mantainers , I need your help 2011-02-18 10:12 kyak: ah yes, with PKG_FIXUP:=autoreconf do also specify  PKG_REMOVE_FILES:=aclocal.m4 2011-02-18 10:12 kyak: see if that changes anything 2011-02-18 10:12 bbl... smoking break 2011-02-18 10:13 I'm reviewing what is needed to make Nanonote and AVR/Arduino companion, first step UBB is done, now in the software part we need avr-gcc, avr-lib ...stuff to compile and  avrdude to flash 2011-02-18 10:14 jow_laptop: trying it now. Thanks! (i always wondered where all these nice things are documented, like PKG_REMOVE_FILES or PKG_FLAGS)? 2011-02-18 10:14 I have was investigating and the avr toolchain seems "not too hard" to achive, there is a script from AVRfreaks with steeps needed to build the toolchain from sources (includind needed patches) 2011-02-18 10:16 tuxbrain_away: it's a bit tricky. Your host is mipsel, your build is x86, and your target is avr :) This is going to be crazy!@ 2011-02-18 10:17 link to the Avr freaks script http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=42631 2011-02-18 10:18 do you thing thrasforming this script (download source, aply patch, build) on a openwrt Makfile would be complicated? 2011-02-18 10:21 I have not right now an uptodate building openwrt building system , an no idea on how to manage the buildhost, but looking at the script seems quite straight forward... 2011-02-18 10:21 kyak: include/autotools.mk 2011-02-18 10:22 kyak: however autofail is such an incoherent mess that you often only understand the workarounds after poking around in it a few times 2011-02-18 10:22 imo 2011-02-18 10:23 afaik there is no doc on the internet that says you have to remove aclocal.m4 if it bundles a libtool which you don't want 2011-02-18 10:23 in theory you can to aclocal --force or something but that will fail if someone embedded libtool.m4 in acinclude.m4 2011-02-18 10:26 btw 2011-02-18 10:26 can someone port kexecboot to openwrt? 2011-02-18 10:27 kyak: oh btw, did you try without any PKG_FIXUP at all? with a bit of luck the shipped libtool is sane enough 2011-02-18 10:27 and does not try to relink /usr/lib 2011-02-18 10:30 Jay7: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/package/kexec-tools 2011-02-18 10:32 kexec-tools is required but isn't enough :) 2011-02-18 10:32 kexecboot itself should be ported 2011-02-18 10:32 it seems to include kexec something boot 2011-02-18 10:33 ok 2011-02-18 10:33 I mean kexecboot.org 2011-02-18 10:34 I see 2011-02-18 10:34 you can open a feature request ticket at dev.openwrt.org/newticket 2011-02-18 10:34 so it is not forgotten 2011-02-18 10:35 provide a pointer to the package and a short description what it is needed for exactly 2011-02-18 10:35 bbl... meeting 2011-02-18 10:37 ok, thanks for info 2011-02-18 10:45 jow_laptop: do you think obtaining  the avr packages can be done also opening a tiquet to openwrt? 2011-02-18 12:20 tuxbrain_away: (avrdude) no, i didn't try to push to upstream yet. the patch isn't finished yet - i also want to add the clock provision logic for UART and such. 2011-02-18 12:21 ok, I don't know what you are saying but seems important :) 2011-02-18 12:26 so meanwhile you pach can't be summited upstream maybe we can do a avrdude_8_10 ipk on qi repos? 2011-02-18 12:36 jow_laptop: (autofail) i see we have another member for the autocrap fan club ? ;-) 2011-02-18 12:38 tuxbrain_away: (what's missing) the idea is that the UART board will run from the host (ben) clock. so i need to change the CLKSEL (sp?) fuses to the external clock. 2011-02-18 12:39 tuxbrain_away: after this, the chip will only work if there's an external clock. afaik, this includes programming. 2011-02-18 12:40 tuxbrain_away: so the nanonote driver in avrdude will have to set up the clock output, plus provide a means for selecting the clock speed, etc. i haven't implemented this yet. 2011-02-18 12:41 tuxbrain_away: i think it'll be nice to send the whole bundle of avrdude patches in one go, that's why i'm waiting until the thing is done too. 2011-02-18 12:42 tuxbrain_away: if you're in a hurry to make packages available, you can either make a temporary package or just compile the binaries and make them, plus avrdude.conf available somewhere 2011-02-18 12:43 tuxbrain_away: well, or wait for me to do it (within about a week), because i'll need that too for the recipients of ben-wpan samples :) 2011-02-18 12:44 not real hurry, just personal anxiousity  :) a week is far more than ok :) 2011-02-18 12:44 tuxbrain_away: (do it) i mean to upload the precompiled binaries. the easy way ;-) 2011-02-18 12:44 lemme check if i have all the avrdude/toolchain build information in git already ... 2011-02-18 12:49 the avrdude stuff is there, with README (haven't tried cross-building for openwrt yet, just for jlime): http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-blinkenlights/source/tree/master/uart/avrdude 2011-02-18 12:50 now the toolchain ... 2011-02-18 12:53 that one's not in git yet ... it's basically the script you found, but simplified (e.g., don't build C++ :) 2011-02-18 12:56 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atben.brd: layout cleanup; removed de facto contacts between ground zones http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f7f8eb2 2011-02-18 12:56 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw3/README: build instructions for firmware and prerequisites http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c3ac7d9 2011-02-18 12:57 now let's see how long until it shows up on projects ... 2011-02-18 12:57 interesting delay :) 2011-02-18 13:00 tuxbrain_away: (ubb group sales) you should have put a higher margin ;-)) 2011-02-18 13:00 common don't screw poor nanonoters :) 2011-02-18 13:01 tuxbrain_away: i mentioned to ron that i'd be surprised if you could eat more than one meal on what you'll make from all the UBB stuff :) 2011-02-18 13:02 avr-gcc and friends build instructions: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/source/tree/master/atusb/fw3/README 2011-02-18 13:10 hmm, ben-openwrt kernel is still at 2.6.32.27 ? :-( that way, the bit-bang library will have difficulties 2011-02-18 13:14 btw, has anyone else but xiangfu done a full ben-openwrt build recently ? his 30 hours seem oddly long. does it really take so much time ? 2011-02-18 13:14 wpwrak: maybe his machine is oddly slow 2011-02-18 13:15 roh: that's what i wonder about, yes 2011-02-18 13:15 wpwrak: the machine is a single-core athlon 2011-02-18 13:15 uhm. 2011-02-18 13:16 it was at 8-9 hours before, so indeed there seems to be some slowing down 2011-02-18 13:16 wolfspraul: hmm, sounds old-ish and slow-ish then 2011-02-18 13:16 get him some fresh i7 box 2011-02-18 13:16 or maybe that's the time to build all 2200+ packages? 2011-02-18 13:16 maybe he's running low on memory 2011-02-18 13:17 roh: yeah, someone who does major builds on such a regular basis should have decent hardware 2011-02-18 13:17 I gladly welcome the news of hardware sponsors. wonderful. 2011-02-18 13:17 wolfspraul: hehe ;-) 2011-02-18 13:18 it may be the time for all 2200 packages 2011-02-18 13:18 why don't we find that our first? ;-) 2011-02-18 13:19 before hitting the 'let's buy bigger gear' button 2011-02-18 13:20 seems that even if it's "just" the 2200 packages, that would still need the bigger gear ? 2011-02-18 13:24 wpwrak: to bring is from 30 hours to? 20? and those 10 hours improve what? 2011-02-18 13:24 I am not against faster machines in general. there is always a sweet spot and every year the next faster generation drops 30% or more in price. 2011-02-18 13:25 but I am far past the years where I thought building a 'icore7' or whatever it is machine right now will solve my problems for good 2011-02-18 13:25 I just pick a cheap one, and upgrade regularly. 2011-02-18 13:25 meanwhile, if someone wants to donate something high-end (today), go ahead 2011-02-18 13:25 wolfspraul: naw, i would expect a much more substantial speedup. e.g., when i built openwrt ~half a year ago, i don't think it took more than about 2 hours. 2011-02-18 13:26 again - we are building 2200 packages probably 2011-02-18 13:26 you can build a minimal rootfs in < 1hr 2011-02-18 13:26 what do you mean with 'build openwrt'? 2011-02-18 13:26 wolfspraul: (cutting edge hw) yeah, avoid that. but there's nice yesteryear's hw that's usually not very expensive 2011-02-18 13:26 exactly. and we have that. 2011-02-18 13:27 I will upgrade when the next generation is replaced by the uber-next generation. 2011-02-18 13:27 hehe :) 2011-02-18 13:29 wpwrak: you built the full_system 6 months ago in 2 hours? 2011-02-18 13:30 that's possible, it has grown a lot since then. 2011-02-18 13:30 on the buildhost, it was 8-9 hours last time I checked, but of course keeps growing as we add more and more packages. 2011-02-18 13:30 and now xiangfu is building all packages I believe, that may explain the jump to 30 hours. 2011-02-18 13:30 your machine is probably faster than the buildhost, so maybe back then the buildhost was at 4-5 hours, and your machine at 2 2011-02-18 13:31 in a few years it will be back down to 10 minutes, unless by then it has grown back up to 20 hours :-) 2011-02-18 13:32 it's funny how people adapt to their environments. give them more power, and they will find a (very reasonably explained) way to use it. 2011-02-18 13:32 if machines could do 20 Ghz today, it would still take a few hours to build a decent openwrt rootfs :-) 2011-02-18 13:33 simply because all other openwrt developers would have those 20ghz machines as well and everything would slowly 'bloat' to make full use of all available power... 2011-02-18 13:33 as you can see I'm pretty relaxed about all this. it'll come down again, one way or the other. 2011-02-18 13:34 I fire up my builds on buildhost at night, and in the morning it's there. 2011-02-18 13:34 isn't it possible to store prebuild packages? and then genereate a rootfs by installing those packages? 2011-02-18 13:34 yes, we are working on that too 2011-02-18 13:35 so I think it's great that xiangfu is now always building all 2200+ packages 2011-02-18 13:35 maybe we can create a huge ImageBuilder from which one could then create rootfses without compilation much faster 2011-02-18 13:35 need to try 2011-02-18 13:36 imho the important thing is that multiple options and entry paths are open, to serve different peoples needs or preferences/experience 2011-02-18 13:37 some like to start with a bare minimal rootfs, some like to compile from source, some like to install packages, etc. 2011-02-18 13:37 some like to start with a full distro like Jlime or Debian in the first place 2011-02-18 13:38 wolfspraul: if the whole build of the full_system is just needed from time to time then it is not a very big problem the 30h 2011-02-18 13:38 wolfspraul: but if somebody wants to try something new and he needs to wait that time to try then maybe he would like a faster machine :P 2011-02-18 13:41 oh sure. 2011-02-18 13:41 but who needs to build 2200 packages from source to try something new? 2011-02-18 13:41 I wouldn't know what that 'new thing' could be 2011-02-18 13:42 at the very least one could only build stuff that can even fit onto a Ben NanoNote at the same time :-) 2011-02-18 13:42 let's gather some more hard data first, for example whether the 30h is for all packages, or just the ones that fit into the 512mb rootfs 2011-02-18 13:43 I think people are reading too much into the 30h - interesting though. the power of large numbers :-) 2011-02-18 13:43 you just say 'something is 100h', and then a big discussion starts 2011-02-18 13:43 oh 2011-02-18 13:43 100h!? 2011-02-18 13:43 really? 2011-02-18 13:43 that much? 2011-02-18 13:43 wow, we should... 2011-02-18 13:43 :-) 2011-02-18 13:44 calling it a day, n8 everybody 2011-02-18 13:45 ;-) 2011-02-18 13:45 (30h just sounds _wrong_ ;-) 2011-02-18 13:47 phew. still undefeated, even though wolfspraul's been catching up :) 2011-02-18 13:48 hey I'm top ten! 2011-02-18 13:48 rjeffries has been quite silent lately. i take this as a good sign. maybe he's busy playing with his "new" ben :) 2011-02-18 13:49 hopefully kicking himself that he didn't get one sooner ;-) 2011-02-18 14:14 wpwrak: since when is that top10? 2011-02-18 14:15 OMG I need yo write More, listen LEXX 2011-02-18 14:15 s/lexx/less 2011-02-18 14:16 zrafa: (top10) you mean since when do we have this feature in qi-bot ? kyak added it a few days ago 2011-02-18 14:18 wpwrak: no.. when top10 starst to collect data 2011-02-18 14:18 for example.. I know that I am not the top10 if it is collecting data since two months ago 2011-02-18 14:20 zrafa: should be around 2011-02-09 2011-02-18 14:20 *since 2011-02-18 14:21 jow_laptop: hm.. i tried removing PKG_FIXUP at all, tried setting PKG_FIXUP:=autoreconf and PKG_REMOVE_FILES:=aclocal.m4, adding include $(INCLUDE_DIR)/autotools.mk.. none of these helped 2011-02-18 14:21 zrafa:I will also annoy you and jlime/OE crowd, I want avr toolchain in Jlime ! 2011-02-18 14:22 is not yet in OE so a recipt is needed 2011-02-18 14:26 tuxbrain_away: you mean an avr toolchain which runs on mipsel? 2011-02-18 14:32 zrafa: why not? 2011-02-18 14:32 tuxbrain_away: i annoyed the openwrt guys before.. i think most stuff is already there 2011-02-18 14:33 roh: no sure, is not is more comfortable to cross compile on PC' 2011-02-18 14:33 ? 2011-02-18 14:33 is not it* 2011-02-18 14:33 zrafa: linux is linux. why not run the avr-gcc on a mipsel? 2011-02-18 14:34 roh: yeah.. and why no run openoffice on nn?.. it is linux 2011-02-18 14:34 i mean.. your code is usually not very big. even the arduino stuff works (well.. not the java-ui but all the rest) 2011-02-18 14:34 roh: I am asking if it is not more comfortable to encourge the people to cross compile things on PC? I am okey with toolchains for every archs 2011-02-18 14:34 openoffice needs hundreds of mbytes of ram and disk. avr gcc doesnt. 2011-02-18 14:35 comfort is very in the eye of the observer. if i got only a nn around id hate to need a pc only to flash an avr or compile code for it. 2011-02-18 14:35 I am sure that every nn owner has a pc 2011-02-18 14:35 near 2011-02-18 14:36 <20mts 2011-02-18 14:36 I have not seen buyers with shipping address from chile desert yet 2011-02-18 14:36 nn buyes 2011-02-18 14:37 zrafa: actually, chances are that if someone there buys one, they'd be very well-equipped. after all, that's where a huge space observatory complex is located :) 2011-02-18 14:37 and again. I am okey with toolchains for every arch. I am asking if working with toolchains is not more comfortable on PC than nn, and encourge people to use PC for that 2011-02-18 14:39 if i got a pc around, i dont need a nn for anything. 2011-02-18 14:39 sorry.. but thats how it is. 2011-02-18 14:42 roh: i use the ben to talk to my circuits - that's something my pc can't do easily :) 2011-02-18 14:43 wpwrak: i use a stk500 for that 2011-02-18 14:43 roh: (that is how it is) that is your pov, no for everyone. no sense 2011-02-18 14:44 roh: beeeh, non-open hardware ! heretic ! 2011-02-18 14:45 how is it not open? you get a schematic with it 2011-02-18 14:45 on the tuxbrain_away case it would be useful I guess. He works with nn and arduino or things like that.. so having all the stuff in nn is something cool surely 2011-02-18 14:48 ah, with schem. darn. well, how about ... burn the evil capitalist exploiters and hang their minions ! there must be *something*  :) 2011-02-18 15:03 Hello there, I'm having some problems getting my Radeon HD 6950 recognised. Win7 only recognises the "standard VGA" any suggestions? 2011-02-18 15:03 yes, install linux 2011-02-18 15:03 appreciated, but no thx ^^ 2011-02-18 15:04 is radeon hd 6950 a copyleft hardware? 2011-02-18 15:05 excuse my ignorance but what is "copyleft hardware"? It's a prahpics card manufactured by AMD 2011-02-18 15:06 Malkiot: why don't you call your local microsoft support hotline? 2011-02-18 15:06 or amd, whatever 2011-02-18 15:07 ...never got good support from big companies before... they usually manage to nuke everything selse instead 2011-02-18 15:12 kyak: pong 2011-02-18 15:14 Malkiot: ¿? 2011-02-18 15:15 yes rojas? 2011-02-18 15:15 Malkiot: I think that you are in the wrong place asking that ... 2011-02-18 15:15 ah ok... know any place where I can ask? 2011-02-18 15:15 soz about that... 2011-02-18 15:16 no, I don't ... maybe ... search in google ... ;-) 2011-02-18 15:17 I did and found this, bye ^^ 2011-02-18 15:17 bye, good luck! 2011-02-18 15:17 the room it clean ... :-D 2011-02-18 15:25 start updating to 02-18 2011-02-18 16:09 M_Rojas: we should check why google bring M$ people with hardware problem . I have seen several different guys getting in to ask about some graphic card which does not work 2011-02-18 16:09 and many of them use win 2011-02-18 16:09 No idea how they find this channel like a channel for support of graphics cards + win 2011-02-18 16:23 wpwrak you have mail 2011-02-18 16:26 rjeffries: sounds good. now let's see what you get :) 2011-02-18 16:29 wpwrak I've asked Doug what he would charge to put together bid package 2011-02-18 16:29 but if he is too busy maybe I do it 2011-02-18 16:30 thinking out loud, what if we buy panels of UBB is there a reasonable way to cut the UBB parts 2011-02-18 16:31 I assume "no" bit worth noodling. i actually think that is the hardest part, no? 2011-02-18 16:57 rjeffries: the fab should deliver them pre-cut or nearly pre-cut (i.e, easy to remove from the board) 2011-02-18 17:08 wpwrak I figured as much 2011-02-18 17:09 tuxbrain tuxbrain_away what color will your UBB pcbs be? 2011-02-18 17:10 if I go forward (and who knows?) the two versions should look different, green vs blue or red or whatever 2011-02-18 17:10 smiles 2011-02-18 17:11 mirko: gnop 2011-02-18 17:26 kyak: you highlighted me before :) 2011-02-18 17:26 kyak: was afaik qt related... 2011-02-18 17:32 mirko: yep :) 2011-02-18 17:33 mirko: please have a look here http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/commit/f3588d8deea2f5885dc9523ce1b44e8696e9aad1/ 2011-02-18 17:33 i updated NanoMap to the latest git version, but it took hell of a lot overrides 2011-02-18 17:33 maybe it's time we fix this problem :) 2011-02-18 17:34 usually there is only one *.pro file, but in this case there are 5 of them 2011-02-18 17:34 and all need these overrides 2011-02-18 17:52 kyak: this wasn't needed before - why now? 2011-02-18 17:53 mirko: dunno. As far as i remember, it was always needed, since i ported a first qt4 app 2011-02-18 17:54 kyak: well, the versions of NanoMap i maintained didn't need them at all 2011-02-18 17:54 yeah, i know 2011-02-18 17:54 then you see that message in NanoMap git: 2011-02-18 17:54 first try to fix building with OpenWRT toolchain that does not include QtCor 2011-02-18 17:54 e and QtGui in the include path 2011-02-18 17:54 so there is a problem 2011-02-18 17:55 kyak: maybe it just uses wrong include-paths? 2011-02-18 17:55 it should include this way: "#include " 2011-02-18 17:55 no, it uses the right paths 2011-02-18 17:55 you should build without these overrides and have a look at Makefiles 2011-02-18 17:55 they are not correct at all 2011-02-18 17:56 e.g. the compiler is missing 2011-02-18 17:56 the paths are wrong, too 2011-02-18 17:56 i'll take a look 2011-02-18 17:56 ok, thanks! 2011-02-18 18:31 btw, since the IB was discussed recently, here's a proof of concept how a web image builder could work like: http://imagebuilder.augsburg.freifunk.net/cgi-bin/newkit/ 2011-02-18 18:36 hehe, pretty awesome 2011-02-18 18:38 its written in bash :) code is here https://www.wgaugsburg.de/svn/kamikaze/contrib/imagebuilder/trunk/ 2011-02-18 18:38 xMff: btw.. i wasn't able to build pango, no matter how i did it 2011-02-18 18:38 ok 2011-02-18 19:31 so ehm, I guess all packages have been updated in the new testing release? 2011-02-18 19:36 that's right 2011-02-18 19:37 I guess I should go flash then 2011-02-18 19:37 i just did it 2011-02-18 19:37 cool, new nlove in image then 2011-02-18 19:37 or at least in repo 2011-02-18 19:38 just in time, by coincidence :P 2011-02-18 19:38 yup, you got it in time :) 2011-02-18 19:38 then there's no reason left not to update :P 2011-02-18 20:03 "present files are identical to the ones on the server - do not download them again" <-- uh oh 2011-02-18 20:05 huh? 2011-02-18 20:06 that's what reflash_ben.sh said 2011-02-18 20:06 I'd hate it if I am now flashing the old image again.. 2011-02-18 20:07 first of all, make sure you've got the latest version of reflash_ben.sh. Then, set VERSION="testing/2011-02-16" 2011-02-18 20:07 so it would download http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/testing/2011-02-16 2011-02-18 20:07 from here 2011-02-18 20:08 still that message 2011-02-18 20:09 ah 2011-02-18 20:09 it's -d, not VERSION 2011-02-18 20:10 hm, i'm running reflash_ben.sh with no arguments 2011-02-18 20:14 sure, -d testing/2011-02-16 should still do it 2011-02-18 21:18 wpwrak: are you here? 2011-02-18 21:24 yup 2011-02-18 21:25 wpwrak: trying to build qpkg for Jlime here 2011-02-18 21:25 cloned your git, running make jlime 2011-02-18 21:26 (got the jlime-mipsel-toolchain) 2011-02-18 21:27 it says that stdlib.h is not found. Ok, i add -I/path/to/jlime-mipsel-toolchain/usr/include to CFLAGS 2011-02-18 21:27 hmm, gcc should do this automatically 2011-02-18 21:27 then there is a strange error usr/include/bits/types.h:129:3: error: #error 2011-02-18 21:27 wpwrak: yup, both "make" and "make openwrt" run fine 2011-02-18 21:28 i don't know, maybe the toolchain is broken 2011-02-18 21:28 or it has some paths hardcoded 2011-02-18 21:28 for jlime, you could  . /usr/local/jlime-2010.1/mipsel/environment-setup 2011-02-18 21:28 that sets up a lot of things 2011-02-18 21:29 hmm ok 2011-02-18 21:29 if you didn't install is in /usr/local/jlime-2010.1, that would explain problems 2011-02-18 21:30 first of all, there is no environment-setup 2011-02-18 21:30 got the toolchain from here: http://jlime.com/downloads/development/crosscompilers/jlime-mipsel-toolchain.tar.gz 2011-02-18 21:30 is it correct? 2011-02-18 21:30 btw, qpkg isn't a replacement for opkg yet. for now, it can just tell you what packages should be installed. so you still need opkg to do the actual work. (and to put them in the right order) 2011-02-18 21:30 oh! that's not good 2011-02-18 21:30 because i ran into troubles running opkg install links-x11 2011-02-18 21:31 out of memory (though i have swap) 2011-02-18 21:31 kyak: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/JlimeToolchain ? 2011-02-18 21:31 so i was hoping that qpkg would help it 2011-02-18 21:31 i'm using the one made for qi-hw, http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/toolchains/jlime-2010.1-2010.1-mipsel-linux-toolchain.tar.bz2 2011-02-18 21:31 kristianpaul: hm, ok.. a little bit confusing. Two sites, diferent toolchains :) 2011-02-18 21:32 kyak: r u aware of jlime-pkg ? 2011-02-18 21:32 no 2011-02-18 21:32 Oh ! 2011-02-18 21:32 jlime-pkg would be the most immediate solution 2011-02-18 21:32 running it now 2011-02-18 21:32 it's slow but memory-efficient 2011-02-18 21:32 maybe i don't need the toolchain after all 2011-02-18 21:33 no no ! qpkg !! 2011-02-18 21:33 :-) 2011-02-18 21:33 the idea for qpkg is basically to do what jlime-pkg does, just faster (and with more complete coverage of dependencies - jlime-pkg doesn't handle all the possible cases) 2011-02-18 21:34 but it's not quite finished yet. priorities ... :) 2011-02-18 21:34 ok, i'm already running links-x11 :) good! 2011-02-18 21:34 in jlime? 2011-02-18 21:35 yes 2011-02-18 21:35 neat 2011-02-18 21:35 i was going to explore jlime repo a bit 2011-02-18 21:35 what does it offer, and what's actually usable/usefull 2011-02-18 21:35 :D 2011-02-18 21:35 i like tangogps :-) 2011-02-18 21:36 kristianpaul: i guess we won't hear from him for a while then :) 2011-02-18 21:36 wpwrak: :-) 2011-02-18 21:38 what was it ... ~15k packages ? or ~20k ? even at one package per minute, and only 25% applications (and not libs or such) that would be 60-80 hours. well, that's about one week ;-) 2011-02-18 21:44 kyak: http://fz.hobby-site.org/hp660lx/nn/listado_de_archivos.txt.bz2 2011-02-18 21:44 oops 2011-02-18 21:44 zrafa: what happened with that file??? 2011-02-18 21:45 np i have it 2011-02-18 21:47 wpwrak: i have you a feeling that you strongly overestimating the number of packages. There are 20 (twenty) centerim-* packages - each package for different locale, devel, debug, doc. DOes that count? 2011-02-18 21:47 kyak: http://kristianpaul.org/~paul/tmp/list_of_file.txt.tar.gz 2011-02-18 21:48 kyak: alright, maybe you'll be done in half a week :) 2011-02-18 21:48 kyak: thats a list of all files from jlime repo, i think may help you 2011-02-18 21:48 kyak: files per package 2011-02-18 21:49 hm.. ok, thnkas. Though i'm not sure how it would help :) 2011-02-18 21:49 you can grep for keywords at least 2011-02-18 21:49 or wel.. 2011-02-18 21:49 the list of packages is enough, luckily opkg list does the job 2011-02-18 21:49 without running out of memory 2011-02-18 21:49 ;-))) 2011-02-18 21:51 wpwrak: don't tempt me into counting the *real* number of packages in OE. I.e. excluding devel, debug, docs, locales, broken/not applicable for Ben etc. and comparing it with openwrt :) 2011-02-18 21:54 wonders how long a malicious idea, one having taken root, takes to worm its way through the barriers of social conditioning 2011-02-18 21:54 s/one/once/ 2011-02-18 21:57 kristianpaul: you have it? great ;) 2011-02-18 21:58 hm... irssi-0.8.13? 2011-02-18 21:59 and no irssi with ssl support?... 2011-02-18 21:59 kyak: you should download the jlime toolchain from qi 2011-02-18 21:59 server 2011-02-18 21:59 kyak: that is the proper one 2011-02-18 21:59 yup, got it 2011-02-18 22:00 installs gtkperf 2011-02-18 22:01 kyak: btw, bc and top runs on jlime 2011-02-18 22:01 :) 2011-02-18 22:01 hm, where is gtkperf? 2011-02-18 22:02 what is that? 2011-02-18 22:02 gtk performance tool 2011-02-18 22:02 is that something gtk2? 2011-02-18 22:02 yeah, i think so 2011-02-18 22:03 don't see gtk2 at all 2011-02-18 22:03 you do not need then gtkperf: we can tell you the output ;) slow slow.. wait... slow.. a gtk2 button appears.. wait.. slow.. 2011-02-18 22:04 kyak: which jlime version you use? the one on qi server? 2011-02-18 22:04 it's pretty strange, cause it's working not so bad in openwrt (like in stardict) 2011-02-18 22:05 no, the one from jlime.org 2011-02-18 22:05 muffinman? 2011-02-18 22:05 it seems that gtk2 is not ported to OE. Could it be? 2011-02-18 22:05 well, abiword works on jlime. But I do not see it comfortable. ANd iirc stardict takes a while before it runs 2011-02-18 22:05 muffinman, yes 2011-02-18 22:06 i'm wondering, why are packages so old? 2011-02-18 22:06 i'm looking at OE git 2011-02-18 22:06 kyak: you should try the one at qi I would say. THe current jlime at jlime.com (no jlime.org) has a repo broken. Some packages are okey. others no 2011-02-18 22:06 oh, ok 2011-02-18 22:07 kyak: the repo has one year old. Which packages are so old? which features you miss? 2011-02-18 22:07 kyak: and gkt2 is at OE since it was born I guess 2011-02-18 22:08 zrafa: irssi is 0.8.13 and no ssl support 2011-02-18 22:08 centerim is 4.22.5 2011-02-18 22:08 i'm mostly looking at packages i'm intersted in 2011-02-18 22:09 kyak: you can fill a but at bugtracker of jlime.com and the packages you want eventually will appear like magic on repo 2011-02-18 22:10 but=bug 2011-02-18 22:11 ok, i was just expecting that the repo is more or less frequently updated 2011-02-18 22:11 yeah, once a year surely 2011-02-18 22:12 so far, in one year, just few guys asked for newer packages. In fact < 10. And at least two of them were interested to see packages form jlime to port to openwrt 2011-02-18 22:12 so the repo updates frequency is okey I would say 2011-02-18 22:14 kyak: maybe if you are one of them you could try some angstron distribution, no for nn, for any other platform with a lot more users and devs. There you will find surely OE repos very often updated with a lot more of applications and a lot more saner. 2011-02-18 22:16 zrafa: i don't really understand. http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes whos repo is that? 2011-02-18 22:17 how does it work between jlime/OE and angstron/OE? 2011-02-18 22:23 zrafa: is jlime-pkg avaialble in bootstrap image?