2011-01-13 01:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: offrss and some depends pakcages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1c605fe
2011-01-13 01:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: timidity, MIDI files player http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/49ec918
2011-01-13 02:37 <kyak> does anyone know if Ben has a backup battery (or capacity?) for HW clock?
2011-01-13 02:37 <kyak> i noticed it is reset to start of epoch when Ben is _fully_ discharged
2011-01-13 02:48 <xiangfu_> kyak: no backup battery for HW clock.
2011-01-13 02:51 <kyak> xiangfu_: ok, thanks
2011-01-13 02:52 <kyak> though Ben can usually live throught the night without external power supply, i sometimes forget to connect it to laptop in the morning :)
2011-01-13 02:53 <kyak> then i find it blacked out
2011-01-13 02:53 <kyak> maybe i can make it produce sound signals via cron when the battery level is low
2011-01-13 02:53 <wpwrak> roh: (sanded) good. i was already getting a little scared by the powers of your laser cutter :)
2011-01-13 02:54 <kyak> this would be cool
2011-01-13 04:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: fixed section display not correct in ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/91d3fea
2011-01-13 04:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x: update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f07d355
2011-01-13 04:46 <wpwrak> interesting. this is a complete ben: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110112/
2011-01-13 04:46 <wpwrak> and this is just the PCB: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110113/
2011-01-13 04:47 <wpwrak> still need to get rid of the "mountain", but it seems that lcm may also play a role in making things a little messy
2011-01-13 05:09 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: I introduced the cmdline patch on the kicad list, and someone replied. so that's a start...
2011-01-13 05:09 <wolfspraul> what I need to do now is to move to the latest kicad version first.
2011-01-13 05:09 <wolfspraul> do you mind if I just pick the latest and see whether it builds? (forward-port the patches)
2011-01-13 05:10 <wolfspraul> hmmm. thinking about this maybe we should decouple the use of KiCad at Qi, and trying to upstream the cmdline patch.
2011-01-13 05:11 <wolfspraul> I could make a subdirectory in kicad-patches, like kicad-patches/upstream
2011-01-13 05:11 <wolfspraul> then work there to bring the patches into an upstreamable format
2011-01-13 05:11 <wolfspraul> yeah I think that makes more sense than trying to sync this task with our own use of KiCad
2011-01-13 05:11 <wolfspraul> let me know if you disagree...
2011-01-13 06:11 <wpwrak> going to the latest sounds good to me. always better to stay close than to try to delay the inevitable for too long
2011-01-13 06:11 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: yes but I think I need to decouple the upstream patches from the ones we are using.
2011-01-13 06:11 <wolfspraul> there will be feedback, and I have to rearrange patches etc.
2011-01-13 06:12 <wpwrak> if the latest version looks good with our designs, then we should update the version we generally use as well
2011-01-13 06:12 <wolfspraul> and I may need to uptick very frequently
2011-01-13 06:12 <wpwrak> anything else is just confusion ;-)
2011-01-13 06:12 <wolfspraul> that will be a mess if it's the same base we are building our 'daily use' KiCad from
2011-01-13 06:12 <wpwrak> sure, doesn't make sense to update every five minutes while merging
2011-01-13 06:12 <wolfspraul> I got another quite encouraging reply on the list, so now I guess I'm obliged to actually do something :-)
2011-01-13 06:13 <wolfspraul> at least it seems the KiCad community is functioning, that's good
2011-01-13 06:13 <wpwrak> (checking the list) haven't caught of for weeks ...
2011-01-13 06:13 <wolfspraul> sure, I will just try to get this upstream, then unsubscribe
2011-01-13 06:13 <wolfspraul> unfortunately it's quite a bit of work, oh well
2011-01-13 06:13 <wolfspraul> hacking codes is far easier than communicating, understanding, and reaching consensus
2011-01-13 06:17 <wpwrak> well, the reactions are good so far. communication seems to be working ;-)
2011-01-13 06:25 <wpwrak> hmm, so much about using a "clean" clock :-( http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110113/
2011-01-13 06:27 <wolfspraul> oh wow, that's a lot worse than before :-)
2011-01-13 06:30 <wpwrak> it does show that the chip seems to prefer a sinusoid clock, though. that's useful information.
2011-01-13 06:30 <wpwrak> i kinda wonder why going from a complete ben to just the main pcb improved things so much, though. for comparison, here are yesterday's results (full ben): http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110113/
2011-01-13 06:31 <wpwrak> (i had to go to the bare pcb because the board wouldn't fit into the 8:10 slot in the case anymore)
2011-01-13 08:35 <buggus> hmm
2011-01-13 08:36 <zrafa> Mauro_R: wpwrak : technology : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJeHHGqSSw
2011-01-13 08:36 <Mauro_R> let me see ...
2011-01-13 08:40 <Mauro_R> jaja :-) it's the last technology ... ecologic ....
2011-01-13 08:40 <Mauro_R> you must keep safe of don't burn your parts ;-p
2011-01-13 08:41 <lekernel> burning wood isn't that ecologic... and btw steam explosions are dangerous
2011-01-13 08:42 <lekernel> afaik they were the main problem that prevented the development of the steam engine at the beginning
2011-01-13 08:45 <Mauro_R> lekernel: I'm sure that it's more ecologic than the batteries ...
2011-01-13 10:12 <wpwrak> zrafa: (bike) cool ! ;-)
2011-01-13 10:17 <lekernel> maybe, maybe not. I haven't done the math, so I won't jump into saying which is more ecologic. it's not an easy question
2011-01-13 10:18 <lekernel> but it sure is more dangerous than batteries
2011-01-13 10:18 <wolfspraul> lekernel: I mentioned our emi tests to Adam, he was very happy to hear that such a complex board passed on most tests right away.
2011-01-13 10:19 <wolfspraul> when I described the one failed esd/field test to him, he asked in which area the sink was, but I told him we were too lazy to track that down, going for the whole metal sheet instead
2011-01-13 10:19 <lekernel> except that maybe DIY batteries might done the same way as this steam engine, i.e. with open acid and nasty chemicals just waiting to spill on you when you fall :)
2011-01-13 10:19 <wolfspraul> we suspect it may be the dram area, right?
2011-01-13 10:19 <lekernel> wolfspraul: yeah, probably
2011-01-13 10:19 <wolfspraul> I don't want to do random layout changes in rc3 though, that sounds riskier to me than just going with the metal sheet for now
2011-01-13 10:20 <lekernel> laziness is good. gets things done fast
2011-01-13 10:20 <wolfspraul> one day if someone has time and energy, that person can track down the sink more precisely...
2011-01-13 10:20 <lekernel> and attaching a metal shield to the DRAM alone can also be more expensive and complicated than the whole sheet
2011-01-13 10:20 <wolfspraul> sure I'm not complaining. the metal sheet is the right approach now, not risky layout changes.
2011-01-13 10:20 <wolfspraul> well we could try to make changes in the layout
2011-01-13 10:21 <lekernel> metal sheet is only a few tens of cents, and simple assembly...
2011-01-13 10:21 <wolfspraul> but it will be hard to make the right changes there that actually fix the issue, and be without regressions too
2011-01-13 10:21 <wolfspraul> yes yes :-)
2011-01-13 10:21 <wolfspraul> we are on the same page
2011-01-13 10:21 <wolfspraul> I am just telling you about bringing Adam into this.
2011-01-13 10:21 <wolfspraul> no layout changes in rc3 to try to fix this potential dram esd/field sink issue
2011-01-13 10:22 <lekernel> no, sure not
2011-01-13 10:22 <wolfspraul> you could add extra copper to the pcb
2011-01-13 10:22 <lekernel> but we may want to fix the boot problem as early as rc3
2011-01-13 10:22 <wolfspraul> it would not be too unusual in adam's experience. just fyi. we will not do it, no worries :-)
2011-01-13 10:22 <lekernel> the pcb is already full of copper
2011-01-13 10:22 <wolfspraul> yes, agreed
2011-01-13 10:23 <wolfspraul> we are on the same page
2011-01-13 10:25 <wolfspraul> at some point I need to decide the size of rc3
2011-01-13 10:25 <wolfspraul> I'm thinking 50-100
2011-01-13 10:25 <wolfspraul> tough decision again
2011-01-13 10:25 <wolfspraul> I think we have to be brave and believe in the product :-)
2011-01-13 10:26 <wolfspraul> I will start sourcing a few things already, anything with lead time > 4 weeks.
2011-01-13 10:26 <wolfspraul> just fyi
2011-01-13 10:26 <Mauro_R> lekernel: acid, nasty chemicals ... also, solid batteries are less eco than burn wood or coal ...
2011-01-13 10:27 <Mauro_R> lekernel: but I understand your point, burn wood isn´t good enough ...
2011-01-13 10:30 <LunohoD> re
2011-01-13 11:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x: add a new theme http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9186e37
2011-01-13 11:29 <lekernel> wpwrak: are the openmoko gerber files available somewhere?
2011-01-13 11:29 <lekernel> I can't find them
2011-01-13 11:30 <wolfspraul> not available
2011-01-13 11:30 <lekernel> really?!
2011-01-13 11:30 <lekernel> wow...
2011-01-13 11:30 <wolfspraul> yeah sounds like dark age from our perspective nowadays :-)
2011-01-13 11:31 <wolfspraul> as some of my last official function at Openmoko, I released netlist, board outline and a few other small things under a cc license, to help jumpstart gta02-core.
2011-01-13 11:31 <wolfspraul> but the full GERBER files, or PADS Layout files, were never published
2011-01-13 11:34 <lekernel> amazing that project still got so popular
2011-01-13 11:34 <kristianpaul> indeed
2011-01-13 11:35 <lekernel> no features, lots of bugs, little openness...
2011-01-13 11:35 <wpwrak> lekernel: only partoally available - the outside layers
2011-01-13 11:35 <wpwrak> lekernel: it was still the most open at its time ...
2011-01-13 11:36 <lekernel> probably has to do with the average hacker's interest for communication networks :)
2011-01-13 11:36 <wpwrak> that too :)
2011-01-13 11:37 <kristianpaul> the case was finally open isnt?
2011-01-13 11:38 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: the CAD files have been published, yes
2011-01-13 11:38 <kristianpaul> wonder how usable those are
2011-01-13 11:38 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: me too ;-)
2011-01-13 11:41 <wolfspraul> lekernel: it was popular for 2 reasons imho
2011-01-13 11:41 <wolfspraul> one was the time of the announcement
2011-01-13 11:41 <wolfspraul> the Symbian dark age
2011-01-13 11:42 <wolfspraul> don't forget, this was _before_ the iPhone, before Android
2011-01-13 11:42 <wolfspraul> I would have killed someone to get out of this Symbian hell.
2011-01-13 11:42 <wolfspraul> I was working in the smartphone industry, and had been tortured by Symbian suits for years.
2011-01-13 11:42 <wolfspraul> there was a lot of anger built up there, and Palm Treo was only partially able to benefit from that
2011-01-13 11:42 <wolfspraul> so the promise of an 'open' platform was wildly welcomed
2011-01-13 11:43 <wolfspraul> nowadays the iphone and android platforms are considered the 'open' ones, with 100k+ apps etc.
2011-01-13 11:43 <wolfspraul> so that was the first reason
2011-01-13 11:43 <wolfspraul> announcing an open phone platform in late 2006 was just perfect
2011-01-13 11:44 <wolfspraul> second reason was gross brutal over-promising
2011-01-13 11:44 <Jay7> bad that no one software stack was succeeded
2011-01-13 11:44 <wolfspraul> back then I was clueless so I couldn't tell how bad it was
2011-01-13 11:44 <wolfspraul> but today I know :-)
2011-01-13 11:44 <Jay7> LiMo seems failed
2011-01-13 11:44 <Jay7> MeeGo is half-life
2011-01-13 11:44 <wolfspraul> it's like I make an announcement today that Sharism Ltd. will ship a competitor to the Airbus A380 in May this year.
2011-01-13 11:45 <wolfspraul> so OM had a history of again and again and again over-promising
2011-01-13 11:45 <wolfspraul> against all reason, almost insane
2011-01-13 11:45 <wolfspraul> over-promising will always give you some popularity first :-)
2011-01-13 11:45 <wolfspraul> those were the 2 reasons for me 1) timing 2) over-primising
2011-01-13 11:47 <qbject> I had no idea, when I acquired an ebook of Gibson's Zero History to read on my BNN, that it would feature a Neo so heavily.
2011-01-13 11:47 <qbject> (Just started reading it.)
2011-01-13 11:48 <wolfspraul> Neo in fiction, maybe that's where its actual natural habitat was from the beginning...
2011-01-13 11:55 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: well, sharism vs. a380 is exaggerating a little :) with a better hw team and a more realistic approach for the software, i think things could have turned out much better
2011-01-13 11:55 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: and of course, management that is a lot less fond of u-turns :)
2011-01-13 11:57 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: I stand behind sharism vs. a380
2011-01-13 11:57 <wolfspraul> it was just gross, really.
2011-01-13 11:57 <wolfspraul> there is a difference between what you want to do, and what you can do
2011-01-13 11:58 <wolfspraul> but it was also the reason for the popularity, of course
2011-01-13 11:58 <wolfspraul> popularity = delayed frustration
2011-01-13 11:59 <wolfspraul> so that's exactly what happened later
2011-01-13 11:59 <wolfspraul> anyway we are learning, and still around. :-)
2011-01-13 11:59 <wolfspraul> I'm quite optimistic actually...
2011-01-13 12:00 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: the dynamics of competition among the companies openmoko was compared with are very tough. so with those comparisons, it never had a chance, from day 1.
2011-01-13 12:00 <wolfspraul> Palm tried the same thing with the Pre, they invested ca. 400 million USD, and even that was not enough.
2011-01-13 12:01 <wolfspraul> to get into that league, you need multi-billion USD investments, and most importantly you need very strong partners
2011-01-13 12:02 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: yeah, i was thinking more of the technical side - make a device that works properly, hw and sw. i think that would have been feasible.
2011-01-13 12:02 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: maybe the competition would then have trampled openmoko anyway
2011-01-13 12:02 <wolfspraul> you need scale, rock solid partnerships
2011-01-13 12:04 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: yeha, no idea how/if it could have scaled
2011-01-13 12:05 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: of course, had openmoko been successful in making the first usable open phone, maybe the partners would have come on their own
2011-01-13 12:06 <qbject> I'm not using one any more, but my partner is certainly suffering through waves of scalability problems from Peek, Inc.
2011-01-13 12:08 <qbject> Every time their marketing is successful, their infrastructure shudders.
2011-01-13 12:16 <wpwrak> the "mountain" is rather persistent
2011-01-13 12:16 <wpwrak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110113/
2011-01-13 12:17 <wpwrak> now i tried it with an external antenna. not much of a change. then with a cable straight to the usrp (having a bit of trouble keeping the power down without changing the gain)
2011-01-13 12:20 <wpwrak> hm, looks better with lower gain. here it is.
2011-01-13 12:21 <wolfspraul> yeah just wanted to say - even with external antenna looks similar
2011-01-13 12:22 <wpwrak> yup. so it's not over-the-air self-interference
2011-01-13 12:23 <wpwrak> still don't entirely trust the clock. maybe i'll try a board with a crystal.
2011-01-13 12:23 <wpwrak> but first a bit more power bypassing
2011-01-13 12:25 <wpwrak> there's also an interesting change between the complete ben (with lcm) and just the main pcb. the latter has a lot less noise. it could be just some field distortion caused by the extra metal objects, of course.
2011-01-13 12:46 <wpwrak> alright. some more unlikely causes ruled out.
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> I would suggest the following:
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> -1 =>  00
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> -0 =>  01
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> +0 => 10
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> +1 => 11
2011-01-13 13:01 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: ^^^^
2011-01-13 13:01 <wpwrak> aha !
2011-01-13 13:02 <kristianpaul> hum.... I am not entirely sure -0=+0. I would say that +0>-0. Remember
2011-01-13 13:02 <kristianpaul> that the point is to use as much info as you can
2011-01-13 13:02 <kristianpaul> from fabrizio
2011-01-13 13:02 <wpwrak> maybe it's time to ask sige ?
2011-01-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> hmm i want have something working with satellites at least before ask
2011-01-13 13:04 <kristianpaul> or ask for 6-8 bits ADC... ;)
2011-01-13 13:04 <wpwrak> well, you can pick one interpretation and just work with that. it shouldn't fail too badly if you're wrong
2011-01-13 13:05 <kristianpaul> sure
2011-01-13 13:06 <kristianpaul> my trouble now is converting imaginary data to real..
2011-01-13 13:06 <kristianpaul> i need read more
2011-01-13 13:08 <wpwrak> ah, entering the joyful part of signal processing ;-)
2011-01-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> :D
2011-01-13 13:51 <wpwrak> this looks like a step in the right direction. last two entries on http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/rework-20110113/
2011-01-13 13:57 <wolfspraul> indeed, slowly though. interesting stuff.
2011-01-13 13:58 <wpwrak> intersting ... as soon as i connect the scope - on either side of the DC-blocking cap (!), the clock collapses :-(
2011-01-13 13:59 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (slowly) yeah, every single decibel puts up a fight :)
2011-01-13 17:04 <qi-bot> [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: added cad/Makefile to automate svg2pdf and dxf2png http://qi-hw.com/p/m1/72c2bda
2011-01-13 19:29 <kristianpaul> new gmenux theme is nice, but... some apps icon tell more than you can expect from a command line/ncurse interface.. talking from eye candy perspective
2011-01-13 19:53 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: you mean they look too good?
2011-01-13 19:53 <wolfspraul> which ones in particular do you have in mind?
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> yes too good
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> mutt
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> sdvc may be
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> no more
2011-01-13 19:53 <wolfspraul> hah, with mutt you picked the wrong one.
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> why?
2011-01-13 19:53 <wolfspraul> I think it's the best email client in the world, the icon cannot possibly look too good :-)
2011-01-13 19:53 <wolfspraul> (just kidding)
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> i use mutt
2011-01-13 19:53 <kristianpaul> ah ok
2011-01-13 19:54 <wolfspraul> if the icons are misleading, that's not good. I didn't look at them one by one yet, but I like that things look better now.
2011-01-13 19:54 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: couldn't agree more :-)
2011-01-13 19:54 <kristianpaul> sure looks good
2011-01-13 19:54 <wolfspraul> looks 'too good' is a tough argument to make
2011-01-13 19:54 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (regarding the best email client)
2011-01-13 19:54 <wolfspraul> but I will keep your feedback in mind and pay attention when I test the next image...
2011-01-13 19:55 <wolfspraul> maybe all console/ncurses apps should have a common theme or 'hint' that they are console based?
2011-01-13 19:55 <kristianpaul> yeap !
2011-01-13 19:55 <kristianpaul> snownews is tricky i think is console app but  the icon make you think other thing
2011-01-13 19:56 <kristianpaul> ah yes, thats newsbeuter style
2011-01-13 19:59 <kristianpaul> mutt logo is actually a dog btw
2011-01-13 20:00 <kristianpaul> snownews have right logo
2011-01-13 20:00 <kristianpaul> interesting
2011-01-13 20:02 <kristianpaul> or at least webpage favicon
2011-01-13 20:02 <kristianpaul> any way, just saying :-)
2011-01-13 20:03 <kristianpaul> he i love this logo http://wiki.mutt.org/mutt.gif
2011-01-13 20:08 <kristianpaul> Int'l shipment release !!
2011-01-13 20:08 <kristianpaul> i hope thats good, sounds good in spanish
2011-01-13 20:09 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: are you aware of fedex procedures?
2011-01-13 20:09 <kristianpaul> "El envío internacional fue liberado" means it passed customs isnt?
2011-01-13 20:11 <wolfspraul> yes normally that means it's released from customs
2011-01-13 20:11 <wolfspraul> very good :-)
2011-01-13 20:11 <wolfspraul> although I have to say I never once had a customs problem in Colombia
2011-01-13 20:15 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: passed customs. next, it should go to the local distribution center, and very soon thereafter (typically within an hour), on the delivery car
2011-01-13 20:20 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: sure, i already pay customs ;)
2011-01-13 20:23 <wpwrak> oh, how did you do that ? normally, fedex pay and you then pay them
2011-01-13 20:23 <kristianpaul> hehe
2011-01-13 20:23 <kristianpaul> i call
2011-01-13 20:24 <kristianpaul> fedex webpage is slow
2011-01-13 20:25 <kristianpaul> i pay them
2011-01-13 20:27 <kristianpaul> (fedex)
2011-01-13 20:28 <wpwrak> maybe their payment procedure differs from country to country
2011-01-13 20:29 <kristianpaul> sure
2011-01-13 20:29 <kristianpaul> if dont pay they dont move a finger
2011-01-13 20:29 <kristianpaul> so this time i call soon and pay first to avoid delays..
2011-01-13 20:30 <kristianpaul> this people is so lazy..
2011-01-13 20:30 <wpwrak> and what will you be getting ?
2011-01-13 20:31 <kristianpaul> MM1+, Nannote (for a friend) microSD -> 100mil header breakout cable,  Scope meter !!!
2011-01-13 20:32 <kristianpaul> i hope pick it tomorrow if the package deliver to Cali (i worh there) but deliver is set to Buga, and they SLOW DOWN all up to 2 days because they dont cover intermediated cities...
2011-01-13 20:32 <kristianpaul> s/worh/work
2011-01-13 20:33 <kristianpaul> DHL do cover intermediate cities but i guess is expensive
2011-01-13 20:34 <wpwrak> (lots of stuff) wow ! btw, i think the device you'll get is called just "scope", not a "scope meter"
2011-01-13 20:34 <kristianpaul> ah ok
2011-01-13 20:34 <wpwrak> (complicated delivery) hmm, seems quite limited indeed
2011-01-13 20:35 <wpwrak> DHL and fedex should have about the same prices. but i don't know if they charge extra for remote locations
2011-01-13 20:36 <kristianpaul> DHL is cool, they deliver the wikireader to my mother at her office with their OWN
2011-01-13 20:37 <wpwrak> i had some bad experiences with DHL. stuff getting stuck at customs and dhl being very unhelpful about it.
2011-01-13 20:38 <kristianpaul> fedex uses a third party to deliver to city where i live, i dont like that
2011-01-13 20:38 <kristianpaul> hmm
2011-01-13 20:38 <kristianpaul> well UPS is the other choice
2011-01-13 20:38 <kristianpaul> but thats luxury here
2011-01-13 20:42 <kristianpaul> ah, scopemeter is a hand oscilloscope?
2011-01-13 20:42 <wpwrak> yup
2011-01-13 20:42 <wpwrak> the one you're getting is a little bigger :)
2011-01-13 20:42 <kristianpaul> oh, of course i have a multimeter !
2011-01-13 20:42 <kristianpaul> *meter > hand then?
2011-01-13 20:42 <kristianpaul> ;)
2011-01-13 20:42 <kristianpaul> hmm snownews looks promising, i'll keep an eye on it
2011-01-13 20:46 <kristianpaul> Hilbert Transform C implementation...