2011-01-05 03:31 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: configu.full_system: remove IB and Toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e26ce43 2011-01-05 03:31 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: using 'strip' instead of 'sstrip' http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/257e48a 2011-01-05 04:25 how does one get commit access to some openwrt repos? 2011-01-05 04:26 maybe I could keep a fork somewhere in the mean time 2011-01-05 04:26 but still 2011-01-05 04:30 btw, do you guys now a libintl? 2011-01-05 05:10 bartbes: you mean the "packages" of OpenWrt? 2011-01-05 05:11 yes 2011-01-05 05:13 don't know that. need talk to OpenWrt people. 2011-01-05 05:14 the "Stub" libintl, libiconv really not good for nanonote. 2011-01-05 05:16 maybe they should add one option about "Stub" libs. like: "PATENTED" option. 2011-01-05 05:17 sorry, could you rephrase that? 2011-01-05 05:18 do you mean libiconv is the replacement for libintl? 2011-01-05 05:19 bartbes: no. maybe I misunderstand you. let me talk my problem first. 2011-01-05 05:19 there are two libintl packages in openwrt: 2011-01-05 05:19 libintl                  Stub header for the GNU Internationalization library 2011-01-05 05:19 libintl-full             GNU Internationalization library 2011-01-05 05:20 the "Stub" libintl break  other packages compile. which make me can not compile a new openwrt image. 2011-01-05 05:20 right 2011-01-05 05:21 so I need libintl-full 2011-01-05 05:21 interesting 2011-01-05 05:23 yes. then you need change packages "Makefile" 2011-01-05 05:23 because there are something like: "-I$(STAGING_DIR)/usr/lib/libiconv/include" need change to "libiconv-full" 2011-01-05 06:07 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new pakcage: mediatomb, open source  UPnP MediaServer http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/47496a7 2011-01-05 06:10 nice 2011-01-05 06:32 bartbes: http://erikugel.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/mediatomb-on-the-ben-nanonote/ 2011-01-05 07:05 xiangfu: hi! do you have an idea how to override packages from openwrt feeds? it seems that packages from openwrt-packages don't override packages from openwrt feeds. However, they can override packages from base system 2011-01-05 07:05 kyak: rename ;) 2011-01-05 07:05 i think we are stuck at this libiconv/gettext problem. 2011-01-05 07:06 bartbes: rename won't work in this case 2011-01-05 07:06 I know, but that is the solution to prioritize 2011-01-05 07:06 a lot of package depend on libiconv/gettext, not on renamed versions 2011-01-05 07:06 maybe you should talk to one of the owrt devs 2011-01-05 07:06 so they can at least tell you about the behavior of their build system 2011-01-05 07:07 I am ask "" iin #openwrt-devel 2011-01-05 07:07 that's why i asked xiangfu 2011-01-05 07:07 xiangfu: thanks! 2011-01-05 07:07 mm1 jtag pods: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:M1_jtagserialpod_run1_trays_pcba_to_be_tested.JPG 2011-01-05 07:07 oh, is xiangfu an owrt dev as well? 2011-01-05 07:07 nice pic! :) 2011-01-05 07:08 bartbes: me,, nanonote openwrt developer :) 2011-01-05 07:08 well, we have very experienced openwrt persons in here, including xiangfu 2011-01-05 07:09 i think it's not bad asking here before 2011-01-05 07:09 but technically it has nothing to do with the nn 2011-01-05 07:09 lekernel: two errors: 1) that should be MM1s, 2) they should be stacked on the z-axis, too :) 2011-01-05 07:09 lars-c (to prevent hilight :P) helped me before with the build system 2011-01-05 07:10 technically openwrt devs don't care about nn and about supporting of desktop options 2011-01-05 07:10 technically we are on our own 2011-01-05 07:10 wpwrak: well we also have to find people who buy them 2011-01-05 07:10 not quite 2011-01-05 07:10 I thought about the nanonote deployments breifly when ripping out i18n, but as it does not reduce functionality compared to before I just did it 2011-01-05 07:10 this is a problem regarding their build system 2011-01-05 07:11 out for awhile, back in ~30 mins 2011-01-05 07:11 well, fbterm doesn't compile. i don't know about rest 2011-01-05 07:11 and it doesn't compile because libiconv is ripped 2011-01-05 07:11 and it also causes a lot of other problems. 2011-01-05 07:12 every single commit to libiconv for the last two months is "unstubbing the stubbed" 2011-01-05 07:12 so they stubbed it 2011-01-05 07:12 and then started adding some fucntionalities when they see problems with a package 2011-01-05 07:15 adam will send a proper mail, but ahead of that he told me 97 of 100 tested fine 2011-01-05 07:15 ah no, 96 2011-01-05 07:15 but one was just reflashed with the wrong pid 0731, that can be corrected 2011-01-05 07:15 3 with smt issues, he will upload pictures 2011-01-05 07:16 kyak: well, I found one of their own packages that they broke 2011-01-05 07:16 but first I need to get libintl-full to compile 2011-01-05 07:16 all avoidable (theoretically), I think iqc issues again, but I'm blaming WeyJia (smt corp) less than Adam here, because they are under enormous economic pressure. 2011-01-05 07:16 so I think it's fine. 3 bad ones, just toss. 2011-01-05 07:20 ../intl/.libs/libintl.so: undefined reference to `libiconv_set_relocation_prefix' 2011-01-05 07:20 :( 2011-01-05 07:20 bartbes: the problem is, that libintl-full will be compiled AFTER the packages that requires libintl. And this package will most likely not build against ripped off libintl 2011-01-05 07:21 yes, just like this.. 2011-01-05 07:21 oh I modified that 2011-01-05 07:21 I added libintl-full to the dep list 2011-01-05 07:21 yeah, you modified it for 300+ packages that require libintl? 2011-01-05 07:21 you are talking about your app only. 2011-01-05 07:21 no, for the one I'm building 2011-01-05 07:22 but it doesn't even compile 2011-01-05 07:22 and it won't 2011-01-05 07:22 I mean libintl-full 2011-01-05 07:22 because they install it into other directory 2011-01-05 07:23 that I can all change 2011-01-05 07:23 I don't care about reproducing it for the moment 2011-01-05 07:23 ok, you can keep thinking about your app only 2011-01-05 07:23 ... 2011-01-05 07:23 you make me sound bad 2011-01-05 07:23 I just want to get this to work 2011-01-05 07:23 to prove it's possible 2011-01-05 07:24 I know there's a deeper problem 2011-01-05 07:24 ok, i'm sorry 2011-01-05 07:24 I mean, I got the entire EFL already 2011-01-05 07:25 I just want to get me some e17 on my nn 2011-01-05 07:25 speaking about that, do you have X running? 2011-01-05 07:25 the EFL was easy, really, I just needed to change some flags to make it use fb and directfb, and don't use X 2011-01-05 07:25 or e17 is running in fb? 2011-01-05 07:25 i see 2011-01-05 07:26 that's great, hope it works 2011-01-05 07:26 me too 2011-01-05 07:26 it has quite a few backends 2011-01-05 07:26 but I used fb and directfb 2011-01-05 07:32 [commit] David Kühling: gnuplot: fix ggi terminal video mode detection http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/21acf8e 2011-01-05 07:32 [commit] David Kühling: gnuplot: Build and package help files for internal documentation system http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/59ad4ea 2011-01-05 07:32 wolfspraul: 96-97% yield for a first run sounds tolerable :) 2011-01-05 07:33 what are they, btw? 2011-01-05 07:34 sure but we want 100, right? :-) 2011-01-05 07:34 let's wait what the report says, and pics 2011-01-05 07:34 kyak: gettext-full failing to compile doesn't seem to be helping.. 2011-01-05 07:35 Adam was super pissed about some of the mistakes, so there seems to be something he thinks can escalate easily. 2011-01-05 07:35 it's very difficult to focus the limited resources exactly on the right spots. 2011-01-05 07:35 economic resources I mean, time and money 2011-01-05 07:36 along those lines, I saw a pretty interesting post on our planet this morning... http://www.funcubedongle.com/?p=342 2011-01-05 07:36 nasty little things... hard to predict, catch, fix all of this effectively. 2011-01-05 07:39 cracked caps. ugly. 2011-01-05 07:46 [commit] David Kühling: gnuplot-ggi: build without mouse support so we can leave plots via keypress http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8a1f0d4 2011-01-05 09:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: using STDOUT_FILENO, remove tcsetpgrp http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/bfe772b 2011-01-05 09:14 wpwrak: there's some of the pics http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles 2011-01-05 09:14 someone had fun with the cutter :-) 2011-01-05 09:19 "U5 direction wrong" sounds terminal 2011-01-05 09:19 which one would be the cutter ? 2011-01-05 09:20 oh nice, gmenu2x progress 2011-01-05 09:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: tunec: remove @BROKEN, fftw3 fixed in upstream r24169 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/48e266a 2011-01-05 09:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x: update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/134dbbb 2011-01-05 09:31 has anyone made a nice-looking guitar tuner? 2011-01-05 09:31 I only used that small console program, fftw3 based. 2011-01-05 09:45 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:M1_jtagserialpod_run1_cannot_be_detected_by_FTDI_Prog_due_to_V-Cut_backside.png 2011-01-05 09:45 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:M1_jtagserialpod_run1_cannot_be_detected_by_FTDI_Prog_due_to_V-Cut_frontside.png 2011-01-05 09:46 I don't blame them. This is an economic challenge, not a tech challenge. 2011-01-05 09:46 those who don't understand that don't understand manufacturing :-) 2011-01-05 09:47 maybe you could also cut the pcb with a programmed laser cutter? 2011-01-05 09:47 don't know... 2011-01-05 09:47 what is v-cut? 2011-01-05 09:48 oh, i see. these cuts are quite ugly. 2011-01-05 09:48 a laser cutter sounds nice. minimum mechanical stress. 2011-01-05 09:49 ah nice, laser is just starting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depanel#Main_depanel_technologies 2011-01-05 09:49 viric: the v-cut is a groove line in the pcb, between pcbs - basically the separation line 2011-01-05 09:50 ah 2011-01-05 09:50 students of electronic engineering should receive points for reading this channel. 2011-01-05 09:51 :) 2011-01-05 09:51 viric: harsh reality points :) 2011-01-05 09:52 wolfspraul: I'm about to make a release of the rss reader 2011-01-05 09:53 wonderful 2011-01-05 09:53 xiangfu was a little sick, but now he is fully recovered and back at hacking :-) 2011-01-05 09:53 wolfspraul: for protruding connectors, you could pre-cut the board such that it's already completely separated under the connector or maybe even the entire side of the connector (if there's only one). that should make depanelization quite straightforward. 2011-01-05 09:53 :) 2011-01-05 09:53 ah, those new year hangovers ... :) 2011-01-05 09:54 yes, nothing new :) 2011-01-05 09:54 they didn't have (chinese) new year yet 2011-01-05 09:54 that's also 10 times crazier than anything I've ever seen in the rest of the world 2011-01-05 09:54 ah, those week end hangovers ... 2011-01-05 09:55 so we have to give him a week off for that... 2011-01-05 09:55 good thing that hearing loss doesn't matter much in hacking 2011-01-05 09:56 (cny) ah, i thought it was a more sedate, family-oriented event. so it's fun then. good :) 2011-01-05 09:56 viric: if you know electronic engineering students, point them here 2011-01-05 09:56 unfortunately manufacturing is still considered dirty and lowish, big mistake if you look at the billions and billions apple is piling up, for example :-) 2011-01-05 09:56 particularly those with RF skills :) 2011-01-05 09:57 wpwrak: 'sedated'? you must be kidding... 2011-01-05 09:57 wolfspraul: I told 'page' to come in, and he came. We work together; not students anymore :) 2011-01-05 09:57 Well, to be honest, I'm still counted as an EE student I think. I did not finish. hehe 2011-01-05 09:57 wolfspraul: there's a big difference between "sedate" and "sedated" ;-)) 2011-01-05 09:57 both page and me are graduated (mostly) as Electronics and Telecommunications engineers 2011-01-05 09:57 but at least me, I'm ashamed for my lack of practical skills. 2011-01-05 09:58 yeah, I just wanted to say - you don't know what a v-cut is? 2011-01-05 09:58 you can send your profs a big THANK YOU card :-) 2011-01-05 09:58 :) 2011-01-05 09:58 *grin* 2011-01-05 09:58 well, they will say that "if you had come more often, and when you come, less drunk..." 2011-01-05 09:59 but hey, I did not have bad points on exams. 2011-01-05 09:59 viric: hey, that means you can also help with Xue schematics review :-) 2011-01-05 10:00 I can't say no to taking a look. 2011-01-05 10:00 download the sources, use dsv to download the datasheets, and start peeking over the schematics 2011-01-05 10:01 if you don't have kicad, you can just use a pdf viewer 2011-01-05 10:01 I have kicad sure 2011-01-05 10:01 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/xue/pdf_xue-rnc.pdf 2011-01-05 10:01 oh cool! 2011-01-05 10:01 still not quite ready for serious review yet, no ? 2011-01-05 10:02 I don't know. 2011-01-05 10:02 "Design in progress!!!" all over the place 2011-01-05 10:02 Andres worked a bit over the holidays, not sure how much headway he made. 2011-01-05 10:03 maybe he tries to fight off too harsh feedback like that ;-) 2011-01-05 10:03 like the google 'beta' 2011-01-05 10:03 yeah, it has this kind of ring to it :) 2011-01-05 10:04 whee, qualcomm snatches up atheros. now, which of the two is less open ? :) 2011-01-05 10:06 ah that's news, interesting. 2011-01-05 10:06 more consolidation, that's not surprising. 2011-01-05 10:06 there will be lots more. 2011-01-05 10:06 I agree. 2011-01-05 10:07 today I read Samsung will invest 30 billion EUR in 2011! 2011-01-05 10:07 the numbers are getting higher and higher. unbelievable. 2011-01-05 10:07 they have a fantastic business. 2011-01-05 10:07 you should ask them to put a modest 0.1% into qi-hw :) 2011-01-05 10:08 wow. that would be... 30 million EUR! 2011-01-05 10:08 almost nothing 2011-01-05 10:08 Samsung totally understands manufacturing. 2011-01-05 10:08 but unfortunately, unless they see a reason, they won't do the first step towards more open. :-) 2011-01-05 10:09 but that's ok. they are not against it either, definitely not. So when this secrecy nonsense stops, Samsung can just flip the switch and be open. 2011-01-05 10:10 but with those huge numbers it will be hard to convince them to take the risk, and I understand that. 2011-01-05 10:10 I try to find the xue git project 2011-01-05 10:10 projects.qi-hardware.com/p/xue 2011-01-05 10:10 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xue/ ?Ç 2011-01-05 10:10 git clone git://projects.qi-hardware.com:xue.git 2011-01-05 10:11 (hard to convince) yeah, legal risks ... 2011-01-05 10:11 (towards more open) ask raster 2011-01-05 10:14 qualcom atheros merger sounds :-/ to me anyway 2011-01-05 10:15 DocScrutinizer: why? 2011-01-05 10:15 Atheros was small, had to happen. There are many many more lined up. 2011-01-05 10:15 the capital and investment pressure is enormous. 2011-01-05 10:15 reducing vectors to leverage the whole thing 2011-01-05 10:16 I'm sure at 50% of independent IC companies, some managers are working on m&a options, so they can always pull one out if big investments become necessary. 2011-01-05 10:16 what can you do... 2011-01-05 10:17 it's more fun to compete - been written on all pinball machines 2011-01-05 10:17 fun, for whom? 2011-01-05 10:17 if you need 500 million USD to invest, and you don't have them, what's fun about that? 2011-01-05 10:17 in this particular case for us, when they do 2011-01-05 10:19 well, OTOH if you bribed *one* dude at *one* Qual-theros, now you got more for same price :-) 2011-01-05 10:20 and we've really not seen atheros and qualcom competing in regard of openness 2011-01-05 10:20 nobody is competing on openness 2011-01-05 10:20 well, except for the marketing people here and there :-) 2011-01-05 10:20 hmm, intel at least pretends to 2011-01-05 10:21 DocScrutinizer: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Intel-Builds-Sandy-Bridge-With-a-DRM-Tollbooth-71568.html 2011-01-05 10:21 you were one of the DRM fans, weren't you? 2011-01-05 10:22 YEAH - my favourite (for a target in the shooting range) 2011-01-05 10:23 so Intel pretends what? 2011-01-05 10:23 http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/53108-analysis-intel-to-introduce-processor-with-remote-kill-switch 2011-01-05 10:25 "upgradeable hardware" 2011-01-05 10:26 http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/398634.htm 2011-01-05 10:35 DUH, killswitch. Thanks for the link 2011-01-05 10:35 heh. yes. its time for trustable south/northbridges/soc ;) 2011-01-05 10:36 intel consider that, in some areas, a higher than average degree of openness helps them furthering their goals. i think that's an attitude we can agree with. 2011-01-05 10:36 wolfspraul: time to make the MM0.5. then sell the upgrade to MM1 in half a year ;-) 2011-01-05 10:38 wolfspraul: of course, since the MM1 was already announced, that would be "MM1" and "HX+MM3000" 2011-01-05 10:42 today seems to be dedicated to the celebration of the Perfect Immobility of the Holy Coach Potato, at customs. my digi-key stuff is still sitting there, since 1:41 am :-( meanwhile, the bens have entered brazilian airspace 2011-01-05 15:02 hi I was hoping someone could answer some questions about sandy bridge procs? 2011-01-05 16:28 larsc: great (new page) ! 2011-01-05 16:28 http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_NanoNote/Kernel 2011-01-05 16:29 Is nice know how to do this separatelly :-) (at least for me) 2011-01-05 17:18 kristianpaul: good to know that is useful :) 2011-01-05 18:00 (kernel build page) great, thanks ! 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add gpio chager driver http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/77c61e9 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: qi_lb60: Add gpio-charger device http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/49b2a95 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add n516 board support http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/d022d3f 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add n526 board support http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a8cc3ae 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add N516 sound SoC board driver http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8ed0276 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add N526 sound SoC board driver http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/04bfa7b 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: i2c: Add i2c driver for JZ47XX SoCs http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/8f1beb3 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: Fix i2c driver name. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/302b0ba 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: Add id800wt board http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/02f99c3 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MFD: jz4740-adc: Add support for the touchscreen part of the adc unit http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/db0d9c6 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: input: Add touchscreen driver for the JZ4740 SoC http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/dc7f0a5 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Add defconfig http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a7f059a 2011-01-05 19:59 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Framebuffer notifier: Call notifier callbacks prior to blanking the screen http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a7ce781 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: qi_lb60: Don't use 3-wire spi mode for the display for now http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/d39fdfb 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: POWER: jz4740-battery: Protect against concurrent battery readings http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/bb050fc 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: POWER: jz4740-battery: Check if platform_data is supplied http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/c69da02 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MTD: NAND: jz4740: Make 'struct platform_driver jz_nand_driver' static http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/bbc3974 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MTD: NAND: jz4740: Remove custom {read,write}_page handlers http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/1c39092 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: JZ4740: Set nand ecc offsets for the qi_lb60 board http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/1bba17a 2011-01-05 20:00 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: Convert jz4740-adc to new irq_ methods http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b77ba0c 2011-01-05 21:15 [commit] Werner Almesberger: cameo: array steps can now be specifed as item size plus border http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/ee3a3e6 2011-01-05 21:15 [commit] Werner Almesberger: cameo/path.c (path_connect): corrected logic when merging B->A http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/4b717ca 2011-01-05 21:15 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusd.brd: removed short edge segment left under larger segment http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e2c5d42 2011-01-05 21:15 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusd/cam: updated to use cameo http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6ccb252