2010-12-19 00:17 [commit] Adam Wang: Updated BOOKSHELF http://qi-hw.com/p/mmone-jtag-serial-cable/f63c971 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: make Emacs' dired work http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/73f3a07 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: Disable Emacs build/startup hacks, rename package emacs-bin to emacs. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5b037ba 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: Fix Emacs bug resetting all environment variables on startup. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f206348 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: renamed loadup patch (now using quilt); minor startup time improvement. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/617083b 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: OpenWrt does not allow us to install to target '/var' directory.  skip it. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0bbedb6 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: comment http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d9d8ede 2010-12-19 05:11 [commit] David Kühling: delate renamed patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8836971 2010-12-19 05:35 wpwrak: I'm wondering what our policies should be with regards to one versus multiple KiCad projects/boards inside one repository 2010-12-19 05:35 in ben-wpan, you have 3 2010-12-19 05:36 but now that we like the idea of schematics references in BOOKSHELF that's not going to work with multiple boards. unless we say that even across boards, references have to be unique. which would be very unusual and hard to maintain. 2010-12-19 05:36 so maybe we move the BOOKSHELF into the folder where the .pro file lives? 2010-12-19 05:37 similar question about boom - in ben-wpan there is a ./bom directory, should it contain the bom for all projects? 2010-12-19 05:37 currently I'm wondering where to put the new camera.pro/camera.sch/camera.brd files in xue (the new daughterboard) 2010-12-19 05:38 into a folder ./camera ? 2010-12-19 05:38 or into a new Indefero project? 2010-12-19 05:39 and while we're at it. how about kicad-libs/modules? maybe we should move some more modules over there? I could start in Xue... 2010-12-19 05:50 my proposal would be that multiple .pro kicad projects per repository are fine, but that BOOKSHELF and bom/ should be in the same folder as the .pro file 2010-12-19 05:50 which actually makes me wonder what if someone wants to source parts for a run, but the run includes multiple boards? 2010-12-19 05:51 well, enough questions for now, see what you think first... 2010-12-19 06:00 [commit] David Kühling: Adapt config.full_system to new emacs package name.  Add emacs japanese http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/edd7c39 2010-12-19 06:00 [commit] David Kühling: fix dependency after emacs-bin package was  renamed http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/04e813c 2010-12-19 06:07 http://www.techspot.com/news/41643-intels-sandy-bridge-processors-have-a-remote-kill-switch.html 2010-12-19 06:09 backdoors and remote kill switches everywhere 2010-12-19 06:10 we need one in Ben ;) 2010-12-19 06:11 it's amazing that Intel marketing even seems to be proud that this works even "without an Internet connection" and "without the computer being turned on" 2010-12-19 06:11 things do seem to have gotten out of control somewhat... 2010-12-19 06:12 or, they have gotten exactly into control! 2010-12-19 06:12 I guess Intel thinks 'they' (?) control anyway whether something is running or not, so marketing can just claim it works even when the computer is 'off' 2010-12-19 06:12 painful 2010-12-19 06:12 without current, I'm sure the great kill switch won't work 2010-12-19 06:12 it assumes that the whole system is controlled by 'them' anyway 2010-12-19 06:12 so even if 'we' think it's off, it's not off 2010-12-19 06:12 is it correct the reflash_ben.sh script downloads with output? 2010-12-19 06:12 nice 2010-12-19 06:12 :-) 2010-12-19 06:13 downloads with output? don't understand. it has a progress bar now. 2010-12-19 06:14 hm, i use reflash_ben.sh on local files, i even forgot it can download :) 2010-12-19 06:14 i guess the output from wget is shown? 2010-12-19 06:14 don't know 2010-12-19 06:15 wolfspraul: (BOOKSHELF) dsv is hierarchical, so you can have one in the sub-project and one at the top. pick what you like ;-) 2010-12-19 06:16 wolfspraul: (sub-projects) i think we already have an inflation of projects ;-) that's why i started to have even things like "cntr" under ben-wpan (well, it probably should go elsewhere some day, wernermisc or *-{tools,utils}) 2010-12-19 06:16 try fetching .ubi.bz2 rootfs... 2010-12-19 06:16 and then.. nothing 2010-12-19 06:16 wolfspraul: one advantage of having things in the same project is that versions are synchronized 2010-12-19 06:18 wolfspraul: (complex sourcing) you can probably just load multiple kicad boms, but i haven't tried it. worst case, you may have to massage the component references with sed 2010-12-19 06:20 ok so if we have a subproject, we have a separate BOOKSHELF and bom/ folder in the subproject's folder? 2010-12-19 06:20 oh hey, it's flashing 2010-12-19 06:20 for xue, that would be: 2010-12-19 06:20 camera/camera.pro 2010-12-19 06:20 camera/BOOKSHELF 2010-12-19 06:20 it's so weird not seeing the screen on 2010-12-19 06:20 camera/bom/camera.sub 2010-12-19 06:20 like that? 2010-12-19 06:24 bartbes: how is nlove doing? any news/progress? 2010-12-19 06:24 not too much progress, been busy irl 2010-12-19 06:25 but it will be merged into love soonish 2010-12-19 06:25 great, no rush 2010-12-19 06:25 I do have high hopes in it though... it could be really nice 2010-12-19 06:27 well, of course it can load games already, there just aren't many games for it 2010-12-19 06:35 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: moved 3 folders in kicad/ one level up http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/54b07e5 2010-12-19 06:35 I have infinite faith in schhist now, let's see... 2010-12-19 06:51 (splitting boom) dunno. the structure isn't mature enough for me to consider this yet. but you can try and see what works :) 2010-12-19 06:52 no problem, so we leave the main xue bom and camera bom in the same folder? 2010-12-19 07:08 ehm, how do I quit mc? 2010-12-19 07:08 because I remember f10 or f12 2010-12-19 07:08 since the ben only goes to f8.. 2010-12-19 07:17 barbers, try to get the menu.. with F2 or something 2010-12-19 07:17 the menu has a quit i would say 2010-12-19 07:17 (no remember where :D ) 2010-12-19 07:18 menu file is missing 2010-12-19 07:18 and you misspelled my name 2010-12-19 07:18 haha 2010-12-19 07:18 sorry.. I just started my day 2010-12-19 07:21 bartbes: then another tip 2010-12-19 07:21 ESC+0  .. works? 2010-12-19 07:21 ah.. 2010-12-19 07:21 of course 2010-12-19 07:21 I should've known.. 2010-12-19 07:21 then please, tell sorry, and buy me beer and food 2010-12-19 07:30 :O 2010-12-19 07:30 I just reflashed 2010-12-19 07:30 and now my comp doesn't seem to recognize the usb network interface anymore 2010-12-19 08:11 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: moved camera and camera_psu schematics pages to new daughterboard project http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/db5dd90 2010-12-19 08:41 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: added footprint_review target http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/a0e0473 2010-12-19 08:41 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: better target name http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/6fc7066 2010-12-19 08:46 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: minor .gitignore improvement, removed risky wildcard from clean target http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/fe25eaf 2010-12-19 09:08 [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: removed camera and camera_psu schematics pages http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/a7a2fab 2010-12-19 09:47 pheew. xmas shopping complete :) 2010-12-19 10:04 zrafa: those sw feature dialogs are nice. someone asks "do we have X ?" someone else answers "it's been added this week to openwrt / i've just added it". then "it is this and that fatal flaw". finally, rafa chimes in "this is how we fixed it in jlime half a year ago". nice to be always a few steps ahead ;-) 2010-12-19 10:05 He enjoy replying that all time :) 2010-12-19 12:02 alright... this is bad 2010-12-19 12:02 so ever since I flashed my ben this morning, I can't get the usb network interface to register on my comp 2010-12-19 12:06 wat said dmesg? 2010-12-19 12:07 oh 2010-12-19 12:07 .. 2010-12-19 12:07 nvm, it was a config error on my part 2010-12-19 12:07 :) 2010-12-19 12:07 the interface was down, apparently 2010-12-19 12:08 (that's a first though) 2010-12-19 12:20 oh wow 2010-12-19 12:20 this is epic: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/programs/mini-spreadsheet.fs 2010-12-19 12:34 so who was the gforth guy? 2010-12-19 12:36 Horsefeathers!  We're probably out of memory! 2010-12-19 12:36 :p 2010-12-19 12:39 What? just 6Mb free :/ 2010-12-19 13:32 everything is bad 2010-12-19 15:09 wpwrak: so, you still crosscompiling for jlime? 2010-12-19 15:09 need swich to crosscompile definitelly 2010-12-19 15:10 ? 2010-12-19 15:11 viric: i was compiling stuff for jlime  in the OS it self 2010-12-19 15:13 ah 2010-12-19 15:13 in the nanonote? 2010-12-19 15:14 sort of yes (SIE board) 2010-12-19 15:15 ah ok 2010-12-19 15:15 no faster than the nanonote then 2010-12-19 15:15 with more ram? 2010-12-19 15:19 yes is fast 2010-12-19 15:20 ah sorry 2010-12-19 15:20 i missread 2010-12-19 15:20 personally i like more the nanonote 2010-12-19 15:20 of course i use SIE just becase the FPGA, no more 2010-12-19 15:24 ok 2010-12-19 15:30 kristianpaul: (crosscompiling for jlime) hmm, what do you mean ? 2010-12-19 15:30 oh, i see 2010-12-19 15:30 naw, don't have the patience to compile on the ben ;-)) 2010-12-19 15:31 but you managed to use a toolchain compatible with jlime isnt? 2010-12-19 15:32 i meant, a toolchain that can be run on your computer, (is not that cross-compiling ?) 2010-12-19 15:44 yes, i used the jlime toolchain. and this is called cross-compiling indeed :) 2010-12-19 15:44 i 2010-12-19 15:44 m surprised that you would compile directly on the ben/sie :) 2010-12-19 15:44 so.. who was david aka gforth guy again? 2010-12-19 15:46 (surprised that you would compile directly on the ben/sie) i just wanted give a try, is my first emdebbed device that have enought ram to run a compiler :) 2010-12-19 15:59 is building ignitors for the 24th 2010-12-19 16:15 oh 2010-12-19 16:15 that wasn't me :) 2010-12-19 16:15 bye ChanServ! 2010-12-19 16:15 :P 2010-12-19 16:15 btw, does this mean we split? 2010-12-19 16:16 ah, freenode... 2010-12-19 16:16 never seen an IRC network with so many netsplits 2010-12-19 16:16 is it run by GCC developers or...? 2010-12-19 16:18 here we go :p 2010-12-19 16:19 was compiled used gcc? ;-) 2010-12-19 16:19 hides 2010-12-19 16:19 s/used/using 2010-12-19 16:22 runs on the Zylin CPU :) 2010-12-19 16:24 wpwrak: :D 2010-12-19 16:24 zpu** 2010-12-19 16:54 beta test complete. takes about 25 seconds to ignite a bit of paper. (~5 cm steel wire, wound into a coil, burning about 10 W) 2010-12-19 16:55 wpwrak: what are you doing? 2010-12-19 16:55 rocket science? 2010-12-19 16:56 wonders if match cord are more or less inflammable than paper tissues 2010-12-19 16:56 for ignitors I recommend a 4.7 ohm 1/4W resistor and a car battery... costs nothing :) 2010-12-19 16:56 kristianpaul: yup :) 2010-12-19 16:56 lekernel: in argentina, we have fireworks on the 24th :) 2010-12-19 16:57 wpwrak: (we) all people can launch rockers? 2010-12-19 16:57 rockets* 2010-12-19 16:57 lekernel: i'm too lazy to carry around the car battery ;-) but i have half a dozen lab supplies :) 2010-12-19 16:57 could work too 2010-12-19 16:58 how long take to ignite the resistor from your experience lekernel ? 2010-12-19 16:58 the steel wire looks quite good. i feed it 6.4 amps, which is what my largest supply can deliver alone. and it's reusable :) 2010-12-19 17:02 resistors are nice :) 2010-12-19 17:03 3 x 12 Ohm burn way better than steel ;-) 2010-12-19 17:09 lekernel: thanks for the idea ! this will be great fun :) 2010-12-19 18:16 played a lot with sodium chlorate herbicide when young 2010-12-19 18:25 grmbl. going to a different screen while kicad is doing some processing causes X strangulation :-( 2010-12-19 18:28 grins 2010-12-19 18:28 i thought you'd like that :) 2010-12-19 18:31 like? hum, not really 2010-12-19 18:33 there are a few things a windowing system shouldn't to. letting one application flood it with requests such that everything else stops is one of them. 2010-12-19 18:34 letting anything but the window manager set the focus is probably another. recently, konqueror (well, something in there - may be flash) is way too happy to steal the focus in all sorts of nonsense situations. 2010-12-19 18:35 (atusb instability) aha. a first clue. when just i connect 5V power to vbus, the weird resets happen too. 2010-12-19 18:37 konqueror (and kde in general) is becoming horrible 2010-12-19 18:37 bugs don't get fixed, and new ones appear all the time 2010-12-19 18:44 hmm. that's bad. konqueror is still my favourite browser. 2010-12-19 18:46 imo kde doesn't really improve anymore since the last 2.x releases... 2010-12-19 18:47 I could count on a single hand the useful features of kde 4.5 that were not in the last 2.x 2010-12-19 18:48 but the bugs... argh 2010-12-19 18:49 maybe I should take those 2.x releases, remove X-Windows and upgrade the HTML rendering system. that could make a nice desktop environment 2010-12-19 18:59 is not that what gnome is doing latelly (html rendering) ¡ 2010-12-19 19:02 s/¡/? 2010-12-19 19:16 lekernel: i actually like the old feature sets :) konqueror pretty much did everything in needed maybe even as much as ten year ago. so all that really had to change was support for any new stuff that was added to HTML. 2010-12-19 19:17 s/in needed/i needed/ 2010-12-19 19:17 now there is konqueror+dolphin, two apps for the same thing... 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb: firmware update for the 2010-12-16 board series http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/ad2c72f 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb.brd: avoid track leaving pad 16 of U2 laterally, for better solderability http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9fa026e 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: usb.sch: explain how the the ID pin works http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3cb3827 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb.brd: several small solderability improvements http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/429e054 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb: more small layout improvements http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/63e1704 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/cam2/mkmk: compensate deflection when cutting the board outline http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/8f2dbf7 2010-12-19 19:19 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb/fw/common/config.h: corrected BOARD_xxx names in #if defined() http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d5f7820 2010-12-19 19:20 oh, more stuff queued up than i thought :) 2010-12-19 19:21 lekernel: hmm, but dolphin isn't a web brower, is it ? i use konqueror only for the web. the concept of a file browser is quite incomprehensible to me. i mean, there is the shell. what else could i possibly want ? 2010-12-19 19:22 ftp/ssh drag n drop? picture galleries? 2010-12-19 19:23 scp local remote: 2010-12-19 19:24 qiv -t *  (watch the sequence - no thumbnails) 2010-12-19 19:24 one thing the newer KDE's got right, though, is the removal of the GNU/Autocrap propaganda tool 2010-12-19 19:25 cmake is much better 2010-12-19 19:26 for some things, i also write scripts. like this one: 2010-12-19 19:26 [commit] Werner Almesberger: bin/qippl: log into www-data@downloads.qi-hardware.com or scp files http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/4952157 2010-12-19 19:26 why not just plain make ? 2010-12-19 19:27 cmake is not like autotools at the end? 2010-12-19 19:29 wpwrak: had you tried feh ? 2010-12-19 19:31 first time i hear of it :) sounds nice 2010-12-19 19:32 i wish xv development would still happen. it's such a great program. also has the nicest interpolation i've seen so far. 2010-12-19 19:36 wpwrak: sw dialogs? :) he.. i do not sure which dialogs are those :) 2010-12-19 19:37 zrafa: but I am sure that we have a lot of solved tips for mobile devices which people talk like "new features to discover/develop" 2010-12-19 19:37 some tools to use on the desktop. for those moments when hardware needs a rest ;-) 2010-12-19 19:39 ;-)) 2010-12-19 19:43 wpwrak: and another intersting thing is that: I have used all the already features jlime has for jornada 6660/680/690 (which has 16Mb of ram, or 32).. so all my answers are from things we already used since 2006-2007. 2010-12-19 19:44 ;-))) 2010-12-19 19:44 (ah, now i got what you meant with "sw dialogs". i thought you were referring to our discussion of konqueror, feh, etc.) 2010-12-19 19:44 zrafa: what you used before jornada? 2010-12-19 19:45 zrafa: the gap between jlime and openwrt is indeed quite amazing 2010-12-19 19:46 kristianpaul: before jornada? as mobile device?: nothing.. jornada 660lx was my first mobile device. And I was the first guy on the earth to install linux on that :) 2010-12-19 19:46 well, at least the only guy on the earth who tried :D 2010-12-19 19:47 kristianpaul: the proper name is HP Palmtop 660lx, no jornada. 2010-12-19 19:50 zrafa: the first who tried or the first who succeeded ? 2010-12-19 19:51 zrafa: good :) 2010-12-19 19:52 zrafa: and the others jlime guys? 2010-12-19 19:52 wpwrak: no sure. The first who succeeded to install linux using compact flash as disk. Previously there were some success using linux just on ram.. from linux kernel + initrd. When I bought my 660lx I was thinking that jlime would work, but the jlime linux kernel and mainline did not. So I was spending few months until I did a poll patch for IDE driver. 2010-12-19 19:54 That was my first solution to install linux on compact flash. Then I ported my patch to PATA driver, to use newer linux kernel. I never was able to solve the problem with "lost interrupt" from those drivers, but we offer at jlime both kernel (using IDE or PATA) with the poll patch for palmtops 620lx or 660lx 2010-12-19 19:54 then more 620lx users appeared happy 2010-12-19 19:55 ah, cool. did someone else solve the "lost interrupt" ? 2010-12-19 19:58 wpwrak: nobody 2010-12-19 20:06 kristianpaul: kristoffer used a jornada 680 as first device. He got that as a gift from his company.. and kristoffer ported linux to that device. 2.4 kernel worked, but 2.6 was deprecated for jornada. So kristoffer ported 2.6 kernel to jornada. He 2010-12-19 20:06 deserves the fame :) 2010-12-19 20:07 kristianpaul: and he founded jlime 2010-12-19 20:10 zrafa: nice history :) 2010-12-19 20:34 [commit] Adam Wang: new file .gitignore http://qi-hw.com/p/mmone-jtag-serial-cable/d398143 2010-12-19 20:43 [commit] Adam Wang: delete /bom/*.ord & /bom/*.par http://qi-hw.com/p/mmone-jtag-serial-cable/46bf92f 2010-12-19 22:26 this signal is connected to multiple drivers. 2010-12-19 22:26 argg i need improve my coding thinking for verilog .. 2010-12-19 22:31 well just missed one signal from 5 :)