2010-12-10 00:41 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: setfont2: remove autostart by it's package http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5adb5f3 2010-12-10 01:14 kristianpaul: yes, the error in gettext 2010-12-10 01:44 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: files: disable atd, telnet, led in nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/20637c4 2010-12-10 02:51 [commit] werner: The box coordinates were not properly initialized in gui_draw_pad_text http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/177fe9c 2010-12-10 02:51 [commit] werner: - test/tsort: "Aborted" doesn't get reported on all platforms, so we just http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/0bfba12 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] werner: The box coordinates were not properly initialized in gui_draw_pad_text http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/177fe9c 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] werner: - test/tsort: "Aborted" doesn't get reported on all platforms, so we just http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/0bfba12 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian package stuff http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/680e64d 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: clean up the Build-Depends. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/28af3a5 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: use the new version rules. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/911f66a 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian/fped.manpages  for install manpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/d75afd9 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5982, enable dh_auto_test http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6ebf43a 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: use usual name for orig tarball top-level directory http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/9d2da9f 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update take svn rev: 5983 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e1a04fa 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the Build-Depends ttf-liberation http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/d1ec140 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5986 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/badfbe0 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: override dh_auto_clean, use make spotless instread http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/df1b45e 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add ghostscript to Build-Depends http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/edf47c5 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update the homepage to help webpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/8821d96 2010-12-10 02:55 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r5997 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/8b80410 2010-12-10 02:56 xiangfu: regarding gettext, this patch http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/160-uclibc.patch seems to make it work for me.. 2010-12-10 02:57 kristianpaul: could help you, too 2010-12-10 02:58 kyak: there is another one. which is the same :) http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/tmp/200-fix-localename.c:2619-error.patch 2010-12-10 02:59 kyak: I have reported a bug in openwrt.org : https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/8413 2010-12-10 03:01 xiangfu: this is great, thanks :) 2010-12-10 08:03 wolfspraul: all: please.. use the current nn to make a simple game console (without qwerty keyboard).. just few buttons around screen as gamepad. I will buy one.. So... when will it be ready? I want to compete against pandora/other closed hw fans 2010-12-10 08:09 kristianpaul : you are the guy.. :) I need a gamepad on top of the current qwerty screen... I can donate ... beer? 2010-12-10 08:11 zrafa: how about a different keyboard layout ? more "game-friendly" ? :) 2010-12-10 08:13 zrafa: your options are: 1) put different functions to keys, 2) not place keys where there currently are some, e.g., the function keys, 3) make keys span more than one button position, 4) write/paint whatever you want on it. 2010-12-10 08:14 zrafa: what you'd have to do is make the buttons, then glue them together with a sheet of silicone 2010-12-10 08:14 wpwrak_: it is hard.. it should have really strong buttons for gamers .. remember that gamers often : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMnN17tQ_-0 2010-12-10 08:15 zrafa: good. so wolfgang sells more bens :) 2010-12-10 08:15 wpwrak_: haha :D 2010-12-10 08:16 zrafa: you could perhaps add a nice analog joystick :) 2010-12-10 08:19 wpwrak_: I would like yes :).. we need 8 keys for games.. like super nintendo game pad had 2010-12-10 08:21 well, you could make a game controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it 2010-12-10 08:21 kinda like the "serial port" idea tuxbrain brought up some time ago 2010-12-10 08:44 (ame controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it) sounds reasonable, *but* it suguest the screen may be separate from new game controller, so it dint look good considering its resolution and ben portability (you want hold it meanwhile playing) 2010-12-10 08:50 kyak: (patch)good, so i just need copy it on openwrt-xburst/feeds/packages/libs/gettext/patches/ and  make again? 2010-12-10 09:09 kristianpaul: yes 2010-12-10 09:39 kristianpaul: then that brings me to the original idea.. a gamepad on qwerty keyboard.. like this : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Gamepad_%28NeoPlay%29 2010-12-10 09:39 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: mathomatic: add DEPENDS libncurses http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6b6a194 2010-12-10 09:40 tuxbrain: we need your serial port idea 2010-12-10 09:40 for that 2010-12-10 10:04 zrafa: I have to "suspend" a lot of I+D projects for a while , but sure you can go ahead and do one yourself :P 2010-12-10 10:07 tuxbrain: no skills for hardware.. well, just a little learned from werner 2010-12-10 10:08 zrafa:me neither, so what is the problem? :P 2010-12-10 10:08 tuxbrain: and no much free time.. let me finish jlime on qi servers first, because it is ready to use.. just need a little of tasks and docs 2010-12-10 10:08 zrafa: sure :) 2010-12-10 10:09 tuxbrain: you have.. i read your blog 2010-12-10 10:09 dont hide! 2010-12-10 10:09 zrafa: it's easy: at hw_skills(t = X) = 0. hw_skills(t = Y) = HUGE_VAL. for some Y > X. 2010-12-10 10:09 zrafa: but yes, i agree with your priorities. jlime first ;-)) 2010-12-10 10:11 zrafa: jejeje I'm just good in make people thing I know about something you know, a marketing guy 2010-12-10 10:15 tuxbrain: marketing is my second name 2010-12-10 10:22 tuxbrain: you disappeared for some days, is it? 2010-12-10 10:28 I must too ;( 2010-12-10 10:29 but I'm in listening mode 2010-12-10 11:20 http://profusion.mobi/node/11 2010-12-10 11:25 zrafa: nice :) and indeed, no surprise either :) 2010-12-10 11:49 (x11 benchmark) i'm surprised 2010-12-10 11:55 kristianpaul: what x11 benchmark? 2010-12-10 11:55 ah 2010-12-10 11:56 zrafa: buttons i may need source that first, what you think about this one http://ur1.ca/2k4vb ? 2010-12-10 11:59 who cares about benchmarks. take Android, iOS, Mac OS X, and a typical Linux desktop. which ones provide the best and smoothest user experiences? which ones use X? 2010-12-10 11:59 kristianpaul: I have no idea :) .. something like a good game pad has 2010-12-10 12:00 zrafa: no idea... me either i'm not gamer 2010-12-10 12:00 lekernel: so your question is .. .. should I use linux, mac os or android? 2010-12-10 12:01 yeah, if you care about usability, maybe linux isn't the best choice 2010-12-10 12:02 if mac os was just proprietary and not so laden with DRM and other crap like iTunes, I'd seriously consider using it 2010-12-10 12:03 lekernel: btw, did you really try android?.. it looks no so smooth 2010-12-10 12:03 yes, i did, it's 100x better than openmoko and the n800/n900 for example 2010-12-10 12:03 though it's not as smooth as the iphone 2010-12-10 12:04 lekernel: ah.. you mean some specific device.. no android alone.. for example android on freerunner is 100x slower than any other freerunner distro 2010-12-10 12:04 maybe 1000x slower 2010-12-10 12:04 btw, I don't have an iphone because it's so full of restrictions, but at least I recognize it's really good from a technical and design point of view 2010-12-10 12:05 I need more 000s 2010-12-10 12:06 also the speed of X isn't the only problem, programming it is just hell 2010-12-10 12:07 so it pushes programmers to write shitty toolkits 2010-12-10 12:07 Xlib/xcb is ridiculous 2010-12-10 12:08 I miss C64 2010-12-10 12:08 ahh those are simple buttons 2010-12-10 12:08 hmm interesting 2010-12-10 12:11 dreams of a system based on GNU/Hurd-libre with pulseaudio and sound output on a remote machine (because your soundcard isn't supported by the Hurd), X.org, a free clone of CDE and Openmotif 2010-12-10 12:12 X.org using the vesa driver of course, because there's a BLOB otherwise! 2010-12-10 12:12 (note that the vesa driver uses ROMed blobs, but since they're in ROM, they don't matter) 2010-12-10 12:13 and, and iceweasel and gnash for the web, ofc 2010-12-10 12:14 meanwhile, the rest of us are happy and productive with slightly less extreme systems :) 2010-12-10 12:14 whats the point with that? i miss the conversation 2010-12-10 12:14 :D 2010-12-10 12:15 (mac graphs sucess) si not that because the put a GPU in every device they sell? 2010-12-10 12:15 s/siis 2010-12-10 12:15 think, how new are gpu in PC market compated with apple one 2010-12-10 12:15 just my point of view 2010-12-10 12:16 no, that's because of the software and of the design 2010-12-10 12:16 the gpu is a normal gpu, and the ops that iOS do are supported on the lowest-end GPUs 2010-12-10 12:16 even the milkymist tmu could support a significant part of the iOS graphics acceleration 2010-12-10 12:23 lekernel: aren't Macintosh drawing on screen with postscript? That's the neXtStep style, isn't it? 2010-12-10 12:24 yes, Mac OS X does that 2010-12-10 12:25 and yes, that was inspired by nextstep 2010-12-10 12:25 though they improved it a lot, while GNUstep barely evolved 2010-12-10 12:27 actually, I even considered using GNUstep for MM, but since the developers told me I had to use X and they won't support non-X systems, I gave up 2010-12-10 12:28 ghostscript is also not the best at speed processing postscript :) 2010-12-10 12:29 is freebsd also planning to replace X as they plan with gcc? ;) 2010-12-10 12:29 they're using cairo... but maybe there is still the ghostscript layer in the middle 2010-12-10 12:29 since they told me that X is an absolute requirement, I didn't look much further 2010-12-10 12:30 kristianpaul: I imagine they have troubles only with GPL code 2010-12-10 12:30 and for what I remember, X.org is not GPL licensed 2010-12-10 12:30 viric: me to just curios 2010-12-10 12:31 curious* 2010-12-10 12:31 viric: maybe they also have trouble with supposedly-free GPL code that is harder to understand and modify than the average blob 2010-12-10 12:32 lekernel: :) I would not be surprised 2010-12-10 12:32 http://www.advogato.org/article/701.html 2010-12-10 12:34 ... prevents us from emitting debug/intermediate files ... 2010-12-10 12:34 impressive. 2010-12-10 12:37 Nice link you gave! 2010-12-10 12:37 I'll bother some GNU folks with it. 2010-12-10 12:38 ah, BTDT, their defense is "it's an old policy that's being changed, but it's (slowly) happening" 2010-12-10 12:40 but given the fuss they make for simple changes like http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46692 or http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46261, I guess it won't happen anytime soon 2010-12-10 21:33 get fancy is not good, indeed 2010-12-10 21:34 you waste time with posible bugs when you dont need then ;)