2010-11-29 01:53 <rafa_> wpwrak_: bus driver game: yeah :D.. and buenos aires would be definitely more exiting than that tokio version
2010-11-29 01:53 <rafa_> :)
2010-11-29 04:48 <wpwrak_> rafa_: "combat driver" ;-)
2010-11-29 07:01 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: cleanup output message, output the flash process http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/4960824
2010-11-29 07:02 <viric> xiangfu: I saw you packaged links for openwrt
2010-11-29 07:02 <viric> I'm trying to cross-build links too (not in openwrt), and I need to patch it otherwise it checks for openssl using the native compiler, not the cross compiler. Did you try to add openssl support into it, maybe?
2010-11-29 07:02 <viric> (I see openwrt does not build links with openssl support)
2010-11-29 07:29 <xiangfu> viric: I just make it compile.  doesn't tried openssl.
2010-11-29 07:31 <rafa_> wpwrak_: ;-))
2010-11-29 07:59 <viric> xiangfu: ok
2010-11-29 08:10 <kyak> viric: links's configure script detects openssl automatically in openwrt environment
2010-11-29 08:10 <kyak> therefore, build fine and with openssl
2010-11-29 08:11 <viric> hm
2010-11-29 08:11 <viric> weird
2010-11-29 08:11 <viric> I've read its 'configure', and it clearly says to use the native gcc
2010-11-29 08:11 <viric> instead of the host gcc
2010-11-29 08:11 <kyak> what' line?
2010-11-29 08:12 <viric> 1min
2010-11-29 08:14 <viric> it's my fault I think :)
2010-11-29 08:15 <viric> it calls CC-cc
2010-11-29 08:15 <viric> ${CC-cc}
2010-11-29 08:17 <viric> hmm
2010-11-29 08:17 <viric> that is 'gcc', isn't it?
2010-11-29 08:18 <kyak> i'm not sure where you found that..
2010-11-29 08:18 <viric> So...
2010-11-29 08:19 <viric> I think that 'links' configure script checks if your build-system gcc links properly with the build-system openssl
2010-11-29 08:19 <kyak> but you made a good point anywy, the openssl dependency should be added explicitely
2010-11-29 08:19 <viric> instead of checking the cross-built
2010-11-29 08:19 <kyak> just in case if links is built BEFORE openssl
2010-11-29 08:19 <viric> kyak: can you try to rename temporarily your build-system "/usr/include/openssl" ?
2010-11-29 08:20 <viric> and see if links builds with SSL?
2010-11-29 08:22 <kyak> what do you mean?
2010-11-29 08:22 <kyak> yes, you are right, it succeeds at line echo "configure:5183: checking for OpenSSL" >&5
2010-11-29 08:22 <kyak> so it tries to link against openssl
2010-11-29 08:22 <kyak> from build system
2010-11-29 08:22 <viric> it's their bug, right?
2010-11-29 08:23 <kyak> no, why?
2010-11-29 08:23 <viric> hm
2010-11-29 08:23 <viric> you said 'you are right' :)
2010-11-29 08:23 <kyak> i said it in regards to "I think that 'links' configure script checks if your build-system gcc links properly with the build-system openssl
2010-11-29 08:23 <kyak> oh, ok :)
2010-11-29 08:24 <viric> do you understand the difference about the 'build system' and the 'host system'? :)
2010-11-29 08:24 <kyak> by "build system" i understood the openwrt build envoronment
2010-11-29 08:24 <viric> ahh no
2010-11-29 08:24 <kyak> yes, i understand the build-host-target thing
2010-11-29 08:25 <viric> ok
2010-11-29 08:27 <viric> 5 minutes... I'll try to reproduce what I had yesterday
2010-11-29 08:27 <viric> (thank you for the effort :)
2010-11-29 12:43 <viric> kyak: I'll go building that links again...
2010-11-29 12:44 <viric> kyak: So, at configure:5183: checking for OpenSSL
2010-11-29 12:44 <viric> the next line (in config.log) says:configure:5194: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   ....
2010-11-29 12:45 <viric> ah it also says
2010-11-29 12:45 <viric> checking for gcc... gcc
2010-11-29 12:46 <viric> It's not getting the cross compiler at all. humm
2010-11-29 12:46 <viric> It looks like ignoring --build and --host
2010-11-29 12:56 <kyak> viric: pretty strange!
2010-11-29 12:57 <kyak> i guess your environment doesn't set necessary variables
2010-11-29 12:57 <viric> it needs CC set to the cross compiler
2010-11-29 12:57 <viric> (it's not usual at all in autoconf packages! I never did that before)
2010-11-29 12:57 <kyak> dunno, like GCC
2010-11-29 12:58 <viric> usually the configure script understands "--host"
2010-11-29 12:58 <kyak> in operwrt, it is started with a bunch of env. variables
2010-11-29 12:58 <viric> clear. Now I'm successing...  I just noticed it needs directfb though. :)
2010-11-29 12:58 <kyak> so you might want to override some of them
2010-11-29 13:00 <viric> does links look good in the nanonote?
2010-11-29 13:00 <viric> kyak: in the qemu, did you manage to set the same resolution as the nanonote?
2010-11-29 13:06 <viric> argh. "links -g" says 'unsupported color depth' in the nanonote
2010-11-29 13:10 <viric> kyak: you have links with "-driver fb" or "-driver directfb"?
2010-11-29 13:29 <kyak> viric: not using links on Ben ;)
2010-11-29 13:29 <kyak> though might wannt try its graphic mode
2010-11-29 13:29 <viric> go on go on :)
2010-11-29 13:30 <viric> I found xiangfu probliems like mine: http://www.mail-archive.com/directfb-dev@directfb.org/msg08450.html
2010-11-29 13:30 <kyak> viric: qemu has the same resolution.. i guess it is because app have such resolution by default (like gmenu etc)
2010-11-29 13:30 <viric> ah
2010-11-29 13:31 <kyak> links is a good target, btw
2010-11-29 13:31 <kyak> though w3m also has image support
2010-11-29 13:31 <kyak> (i'm not sure it's working on fb)
2010-11-29 13:38 <viric> I'm trying newer directfb and links
2010-11-29 13:40 <viric> bah. same result.
2010-11-29 13:45 <kyak> it's reproducible, good ;)
2010-11-29 14:29 <viric> kyak: It was already reproducible. It's a pity that upgraading all pieces it's still reproducible! :)
2010-11-29 14:35 <bartbes> kyak: did you just mention qemu?
2010-11-29 14:36 <kyak> bartbes: i guess so :)
2010-11-29 14:36 <bartbes> do you emulate the full system, or are you just running the binaries?
2010-11-29 14:42 <viric> kyak: how did you enable the keyboard input in your malta?
2010-11-29 14:42 <kyak> bartbes: the full system, but it's not Ben. it's malta board. you can search the mail lists, viric pretty much explained how he did that
2010-11-29 14:43 <bartbes> so how close to the ben is that?
2010-11-29 14:43 <kyak> viric: i enabled pretty much every keyboard ;)
2010-11-29 14:43 <bartbes> I mean, if it works in qemu, will it work on the ben?
2010-11-29 14:43 <kyak> bartbes: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/QEMU.png
2010-11-29 14:43 <bartbes> that looks too epic to not do
2010-11-29 14:43 <kyak> bartbes: it's just the kernel that it differenet, everything else us the same
2010-11-29 14:43 <viric> kyak: hehe. I pressed some keys, and it started to work, somehow.
2010-11-29 14:44 <bartbes> but that can still cause incompatibilities ;)
2010-11-29 14:44 <bartbes> but if libc etc is the same then I guess it's all binary compatible
2010-11-29 14:46 <kyak> it's 100 % the same, it uses the same rootfs
2010-11-29 14:46 <kyak> only the kernel is differenet.. but since it's still mips, who cares
2010-11-29 14:48 <viric> :)
2010-11-29 14:48 <viric> you enjoy the ubi boot, eh? :)
2010-11-29 14:49 <viric> it works fine here too.
2010-11-29 14:49 <viric> I'm trying links there now..
2010-11-29 14:51 <kyak> viric: no, i'm copying the rootfs to ext2 image :)
2010-11-29 14:51 <viric> ah stupid me
2010-11-29 14:51 <viric> the keyboard does not work. I simply had typed ctrl-alt-3, and went to the serial port. hehe
2010-11-29 14:51 <viric> kyak: ahhh bad.
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:28 < viric> I found xiangfu probliems like mine:
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric>                http://www.mail-archive.com/directfb-dev@directfb.org/msg08450.html
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:28 < kyak> viric: qemu has the same resolution.. i guess it is because app have such
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric>               resolution by default (like gmenu etc)
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:28 < viric> ah
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:29 < kyak> links is a good target, btw
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:29 < kyak> though w3m also has image support
2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:29 < kyak> (i'm not sure it's working on fb)
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2010-11-29 14:53 <viric> 19:36 < viric> I'm trying newer directfb and links
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 19:38 < viric> bah. same result.
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 19:43 < kyak> it's reproducible, good ;)
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2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:27 < viric> kyak: It was already reproducible. It's a pity that upgraading all pieces it's
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric>                still reproducible! :)
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:33 < bartbes> kyak: did you just mention qemu?
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:34 < kyak> bartbes: i guess so :)
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:34 < bartbes> do you emulate the full system, or are you just running the binaries?
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2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:40 < viric> kyak: how did you enable the keyboard input in your malta?
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:40 < kyak> bartbes: the full system, but it's not Ben. it's malta board. you can search the
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric>               mail lists, viric pretty much explained how he did that
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < bartbes> so how close to the ben is that?
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < kyak> viric: i enabled pretty much every keyboard ;)
2010-11-29 14:54 <bartbes> ?!
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < bartbes> I mean, if it works in qemu, will it work on the ben?
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < kyak> bartbes: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/QEMU.png
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < bartbes> that looks too epic to not do
2010-11-29 14:54 <viric> 20:41 < kyak> bartbes: it's just the kernel that it differenet, everything else us the same
2010-11-29 14:55 <viric> 20:42 < viric> kyak: hehe. I pressed some keys, and it started to work, somehow.
2010-11-29 14:55 <viric> 20:42 < bartbes> but
2010-11-29 14:55 <viric> OUCH!
2010-11-29 14:55 <viric> sorry
2010-11-29 14:55 <viric> my mouse got mad
2010-11-29 14:58 <wpwrak_> by the way, with qemu, it should be possible to run MIPS binaries directly on the x86 host. that way, one could set up a mixed environment, with the qemu system but the cross-toolchain compiled for a x86 host. that way, disto-builders could run natively.
2010-11-29 14:58 <wpwrak_> i've heard there's some distribution that uses this, but i don't remember which
2010-11-29 14:58 <bartbes> viric: you don't happen to have a ready-made (clean) qemu image for me? :P
2010-11-29 14:58 <bartbes> wpwrak_: yeah, that's why I asked, this solution is way cooler though
2010-11-29 14:58 <viric> bartbes: I run directly ubifs images
2010-11-29 14:59 <viric> but I only have the serial port working...
2010-11-29 14:59 <viric> I've to find what keyboard to enable
2010-11-29 14:59 <viric> wpwrak_: mips binaries work fine for me, with qemu-mipsel
2010-11-29 15:00 <viric> and nanonixos builds as well for i686, for arm or for mipsel ;)
2010-11-29 15:01 <viric> (spam)
2010-11-29 15:01 <wpwrak_> bartbes: which is cooler - what i described or some other "this" ? :)
2010-11-29 15:01 <viric> bartbes: I sent to the list, how to run ubifs images in qemu.
2010-11-29 15:02 <viric> (I had to restart the X server. The mouse got mad totally)
2010-11-29 15:02 <bartbes> viric: yeah, but it involved compiling a kernel and creating a ubifs image :P
2010-11-29 15:02 <viric> hm
2010-11-29 15:03 <viric> the image, you can take any of openwrt or jlime
2010-11-29 15:03 <wpwrak_> viric: the idea is to run the toolchain natively on x86, to avoid the performance penalty of emulation
2010-11-29 15:03 <viric> wpwrak_: all run the toolchain in x86, isn't it?
2010-11-29 15:03 <viric> wpwrak_: or what do you call 'the toolchain'?
2010-11-29 15:04 <wpwrak_> viric: gcc and friends
2010-11-29 15:04 <viric> Do you run that emulated!?
2010-11-29 15:04 <wpwrak_> viric: basically everything that burns cycles when building a distro :)
2010-11-29 15:04 <viric> I can't believe
2010-11-29 15:04 <bartbes> wpwrak_: but the cool thing about running it as a VM is.. well, it's a working system! :P
2010-11-29 15:05 <wpwrak_> viric: the idea is to have a cross-compiler but to run things as if on MIPS
2010-11-29 15:05 <wpwrak_> bartbes: but you gcc is then emulated, right ? i.e., it's slower than a cross-gcc compiled for your host
2010-11-29 15:05 <viric> What will there be of mips, in your "as if on mips"?
2010-11-29 15:06 <viric> wpwrak_: noone uses an emulator to build anything, I think
2010-11-29 15:06 <viric> (for the nanonote)
2010-11-29 15:06 <bartbes> wpwrak_: I don't want to run it for the compiler
2010-11-29 15:07 <wpwrak_> viric: the userland, minus the exceptions you make. you'd have a MIPS tree you could chroot to. if you try to run a  MIPS executable, qemu takes care of that, via binfmt_misc
2010-11-29 15:08 <wpwrak_> bartbes: then it makes sense. what i'm referring to is to run a build without explicitly having to configure all the packages for cross-development
2010-11-29 15:09 <wpwrak_> bartbes: or, for building unpackaged things from sources, without special arrangements for cross-development
2010-11-29 15:09 <wpwrak_> e.g., if the build process compiles something and also runs it, that would then be a MIPS binary and run under qemu
2010-11-29 15:09 <bartbes> I mostly want it for testing
2010-11-29 15:09 <viric> wpwrak_: ahh you want to do a native build
2010-11-29 15:10 <viric> wpwrak_: as if on a super-power mips
2010-11-29 15:10 <rafa_> viric: do you have network connection to your qmeu system?.. does it have interent connection too?
2010-11-29 15:10 <wpwrak_> yeah :)
2010-11-29 15:10 <bartbes> so is there nobody who actually has a ready-made VM for me? :P
2010-11-29 15:10 <viric> rafa_: yes
2010-11-29 15:10 <viric> rafa_: I use -net user now though.
2010-11-29 15:10 <rafa_> viric: cool.. so you do not just have serial.. you can ssh to your qemu system right?
2010-11-29 15:10 <viric> rafa_: yes
2010-11-29 15:11 <rafa_> nice ;)
2010-11-29 15:11 <viric> rafa_: and I have framebuffer going fine
2010-11-29 15:11 <viric> rafa_: but not the keyboard! :)
2010-11-29 15:11 <bartbes> hmm, I wonder though...
2010-11-29 15:11 <rafa_> viric: well.. almost complete :)
2010-11-29 15:11 <bartbes> the image was mpc, right?
2010-11-29 15:11 <viric> I'll try enabling CONFIG_KEYBOARD_XTKBD
2010-11-29 15:11 <bartbes> *has
2010-11-29 15:11 <viric> what is mpc?
2010-11-29 15:11 <bartbes> a client for mpd
2010-11-29 15:11 <bartbes> the Music Player Daemon
2010-11-29 15:11 <viric> ah
2010-11-29 15:12 <viric> I don't use it
2010-11-29 15:12 <bartbes> anyway, I wondered whether I could easily stream the audio as well
2010-11-29 15:12 <bartbes> I guess I could poke around.. if I weren't lazy :P
2010-11-29 15:12 <bartbes> btw, what kernel source do you use? do you use the xburst source tree, or get one from kernel.org, or even somewhere else?
2010-11-29 15:13 <viric> rafa_: I don't simply have a qemu system; 'nanonixos' can build an image for qemu, a rootfs for the nanonote (+ kernel + uboot), or it can write an "update" to a running nanonote system.
2010-11-29 15:14 <rafa_> viric: I do not know nanonixos.. sorry.. which is the idea to build uboot?.. you mean .. for nn?
2010-11-29 15:14 <viric> rafa_: yes. I don't like to depend on prebuilt binaries ;)
2010-11-29 15:16 <rafa_> viric: I am not a fan of building systems to build kernel, rootfs and uboot (bootloaders).. I like openwrt/OE/other building systems to build repositories for specific archs and kind of devices (for example.. the packages which openwrt/OE buildfor mobile devices)
2010-11-29 15:16 <rafa_> viric: but, for bootloaders, kernels, rootfs.. I like to have a proper standar way
2010-11-29 15:16 <viric> :)
2010-11-29 15:16 <viric> Well
2010-11-29 15:16 <viric> I have my proper standard way
2010-11-29 15:17 <bartbes> kyak: you don't happen to feel like sending me the stuff to run a 'ben' VM?
2010-11-29 15:17 <viric> rafa_: http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/cgi-bin/nanonixos
2010-11-29 15:18 <rafa_> viric: yeah :).. just that all the people are liking openwrt/OE/etc... for thinkgs like building kernels, bootloaders, rootfs.. which I find hard to port between those systems
2010-11-29 15:18 <wpwrak_> viric: "my standard" ;-)
2010-11-29 15:18 <viric> wpwrak_: exactly! :)
2010-11-29 15:18 <viric> Time for supper.
2010-11-29 15:18 <rafa_> viric: are you from poland?
2010-11-29 15:19 <viric> rafa_: haha let's say that the spaniards think so :)
2010-11-29 15:19 <viric> rafa_: I'm catalan
2010-11-29 15:19 <rafa_> :D
2010-11-29 15:20 <rafa_> haha.. some devs from jlime, from poland, have those "time for supper" as well :)
2010-11-29 15:21 <viric> "hora de sopar", in catalan
2010-11-29 15:21 <rafa_> viric: barcelona vs real madrid right now
2010-11-29 15:59 <viric> rafa_: ah yes.
2010-11-29 15:59 <viric> rafa_: I'm not a fan of football :)
2010-11-29 16:44 <viric> kyak: I think I may need SERIO_PCIPS2 to get the keyboard
2010-11-29 16:44 <viric> rebuilding.
2010-11-29 17:26 <viric> Argh
2010-11-29 17:26 <viric> I just noticed the down arrow does not do anything in my nanonote
2010-11-29 17:26 <viric> even 'showkey' does not show any number
2010-11-29 17:26 <viric> ahhh I have to press it strongly
2010-11-29 18:46 <viric> kyak: got it! CONFIG_SERIO_I8042 gave the keyboard.
2010-11-29 20:09 <kristianpaul> prinitng rafless a gift for hollidalys
2010-11-29 20:10 <kristianpaul> if it get good shape i can try wpan case again later :)