2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> Morning
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> and great news
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> I do open-source software for GNSS SDR so I am interested in copy-left
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> HW to go with it. I am happy to have a look at your samples. I can
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> process any IF and any sampling frequency. An interleaved (e.g.
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> IQIQIQIQ) 16-bit binary file would be good for me (but 8 bit is also
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> good.) Just send me a binary file smaller than 10 MB and I can tell
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> you if the quality of data is enough for acquisition.
2010-11-28 07:36 <kristianpaul> I'll ask this guy join irc later i he dint already :)
2010-11-28 09:04 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: sounds great. it's good to have an expert around :)
2010-11-28 09:04 <viric> kristianpaul: what do you do with lm32? :)
2010-11-28 09:10 <kristianpaul> viric: well i use the SoC called milkymist developt by lekernel
2010-11-28 09:10 <kristianpaul> it uses  a lm32 cpu for basic and slow tasks
2010-11-28 09:10 <kristianpaul> is a small cpu really handy
2010-11-28 09:11 <viric> aah
2010-11-28 09:11 <viric> is that the leon cpu?
2010-11-28 09:11 <kristianpaul> no, why is called lm32
2010-11-28 09:12 <viric> ah no, from lattice.
2010-11-28 09:12 <kristianpaul> or mico32 is from lattive
2010-11-28 09:12 <kristianpaul> latiice*
2010-11-28 09:12 <kristianpaul> right
2010-11-28 09:12 <viric> leon is lgpl/gpl :)
2010-11-28 09:13 <viric> for lm32... is it a free cpu?
2010-11-28 09:13 <viric> (milkymist have a spartan6 fpga where they have the lm32, right?)
2010-11-28 09:13 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-11-28 09:14 <viric> yes to what? :)
2010-11-28 09:14 <kristianpaul> last
2010-11-28 09:14 <kristianpaul> s/yes/right
2010-11-28 09:14 <viric> ah ok
2010-11-28 09:14 <kristianpaul> free cpu i think it just uses its own ip license
2010-11-28 09:14 <viric> then leon could fit better, with an lgpl/gpl license.
2010-11-28 09:14 <viric> (in this open hardware world)
2010-11-28 09:14 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: may comment more about it
2010-11-28 09:15 <kristianpaul> "lm32 works, if you make leon to work go ahead and send the patch" i guess somebody sill say that
2010-11-28 09:15 <kristianpaul> not sure how big a really usefull leon is
2010-11-28 09:16 <viric> :)
2010-11-28 09:16 <viric> I also don't know
2010-11-28 09:16 <wpwrak_> viric: sebastien says leon is too bloated, maybe also inefficient
2010-11-28 09:16 <viric> there are different versions of leons...
2010-11-28 09:17 <viric> but well, I don't know
2010-11-28 09:17 <viric> I imagine he explored to assert that.
2010-11-28 09:17 <kristianpaul> he did i think
2010-11-28 09:17 <wpwrak_> meanwhile, in other news, a little jobs for my mill: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/vialtray.jpg
2010-11-28 09:17 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: nice !
2010-11-28 09:17 <viric> :)
2010-11-28 09:18 <kristianpaul> what's inside the tubes, electronicss spare parts?
2010-11-28 09:18 <kristianpaul> loooks lik SMD ones
2010-11-28 09:18 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: 0603 and 0402 chips, yes. resistors, capacitors, varistors.
2010-11-28 09:19 <viric> are you working on electronics alone, or you have some colleagues to share the tools with?
2010-11-28 09:20 <wpwrak_> i usually work alone. occasionally, some friends also do a little project, but that's not every often.
2010-11-28 09:20 <kristianpaul> ha! he have a whole factory lab in his place :)
2010-11-28 09:20 <viric> It's hard to find people with similar enough interests :)
2010-11-28 09:20 <wpwrak_> i still need the plastic injector ;-)
2010-11-28 09:21 <viric> btw
2010-11-28 09:21 <viric> does anybody know here about smartcard-like devices?
2010-11-28 09:21 <viric> I wanted to be able to have 'my digital keys in my pocket'
2010-11-28 09:22 <wpwrak_> now, let's see if the next tray is ready ... (i need something like 4-5 in total. it's nice to have a mill to do that for you - once it works, it'll work any number of times :)
2010-11-28 09:22 <kristianpaul> (plastic injector) well you can mill the mold and melt the plastic
2010-11-28 09:22 <viric> http://www.gemalto.com/products/pc_link_readers/ these at the botomlook cheap, for SIM. But I don't know how to put my keys into a SIM.
2010-11-28 09:22 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: still need pressure and heat
2010-11-28 09:22 <kristianpaul> hmm yes
2010-11-28 09:22 <kristianpaul> you're close
2010-11-28 09:23 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: i was thinking of experimenting with plastified wax. i hope this needs a lot less pressure. my goal would be to be able to work with molds made of wood. metal just takes too long to mill.
2010-11-28 09:25 <viric> wpwrak_: where do you have the 'office'? If I ever go close to that place, I'd like to come and see :)
2010-11-28 09:39 <wpwrak_> viric: in buenos aires, argentina. close to the "once" station.
2010-11-28 09:49 <viric> Once?
2010-11-28 09:49 <viric> Station eleven? :)
2010-11-28 09:50 <viric> wpwrak_: Ché, pensé que vos estaba en Alemania!
2010-11-28 09:53 <kristianpaul> Oh, dia de hablar en español? :)
2010-11-28 09:56 <viric> Many here know Spanish I imagine
2010-11-28 09:56 <wpwrak_> viric: soy austriaco pero me mude a la argentina hace unos anos :)
2010-11-28 09:56 <viric> wpwrak_: estupendo! Para bien?
2010-11-28 09:56 <kristianpaul> sur america es bien :)
2010-11-28 09:56 <wpwrak_> viric: (once) yup, for "once de septiembre". not the one with the planes, though :)
2010-11-28 09:57 <viric> Yo he estado sólo en Sao Paulo, sus vecinos.
2010-11-28 09:57 <kristianpaul> hmm are you using google translate?
2010-11-28 09:57 <viric> (de sudamérica)
2010-11-28 09:58 <viric> hehe
2010-11-28 09:58 <viric> Spanish is not my native language
2010-11-28 09:58 <viric> but I use to get understood
2010-11-28 09:58 <viric> No, claro que no uso google-translate. Suena raro como escribo?
2010-11-28 09:58 <kristianpaul> np
2010-11-28 09:58 <kristianpaul> a little
2010-11-28 09:58 <viric> :D
2010-11-28 09:58 <kristianpaul> as my english i guess :p
2010-11-28 09:59 <viric> Yo hablo inglés y castellano sólo a medias.
2010-11-28 09:59 <kristianpaul> y usas tildes !, esta mucho mejor que my español
2010-11-28 09:59 <kristianpaul> s/my/mi
2010-11-28 09:59 <wpwrak_> ;-) my english is lots better than my spanish, particularly when writing :)
2010-11-28 10:00 <viric> ah, no tendré muy por mano las locuciones, pero procuro acertar en ortografía. :)
2010-11-28 10:00 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: spanglish :)
2010-11-28 10:00 <viric> Here the 11 of September is the national day
2010-11-28 10:01 <kristianpaul> viric: where are you located?
2010-11-28 10:01 <viric> In Girona... close to Barcelona
2010-11-28 10:01 <viric> (as you may have heard more about Barcelona than Girona)
2010-11-28 10:02 <kristianpaul> as usual
2010-11-28 10:02 <viric> I live not that far from tuxbrain, although I never met him still.
2010-11-28 10:03 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: i write english most of the time than spanish i speak
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> good point:
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> One more consideration, you alone will be able to do only some work,
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> 10 people will probably do much more than what you could do. This
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> suggest that the best open-source implementation might not be an
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> implementation in the fastest language (VHDL) but instead the
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> implementation in a language (or with the HW) that is more likely to
2010-11-28 10:04 <kristianpaul> attract those 10 people.
2010-11-28 10:05 <viric> 'fastest language'?
2010-11-28 10:05 <viric> italian is the fastest :)
2010-11-28 10:05 <wpwrak_> vhdl vs. verilog ? :)
2010-11-28 10:06 <viric> fastest to write, you mean?
2010-11-28 10:07 <wpwrak_> not chinese then :)
2010-11-28 10:07 <viric> haha
2010-11-28 10:07 <viric> You refer to 'speed' in what process?
2010-11-28 10:08 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: not actually i even dint mention vhdl, i think he meant high level abstraction like python for GUN Radio
2010-11-28 10:09 <viric> Btw
2010-11-28 10:09 <viric> I've always thought that most of the people making electronic schematics public don't write "the source" for them
2010-11-28 10:10 <viric> So, why components here and not there, and why those values and not others.
2010-11-28 10:10 <wpwrak_> ah. APL should be pretty quick. even the most complex things rarely need more than one line of code. and it has built-in operators for matrix inversion and such :)
2010-11-28 10:10 <kristianpaul> You can write behavior instead, is much more easy i think
2010-11-28 10:10 <viric> I think I never found something like an "open source circuit". For me, looking at 'how are what components placed where' is more like a 'binary' than source.
2010-11-28 10:13 <wpwrak_> viric: yeah, comments tend to be rare. sometimes, you can find them in the commit log (if there's one) or the ECNs (if there are any)
2010-11-28 10:13 <viric> exactly. very rare.
2010-11-28 10:13 <viric> So for me all that looks to me like 'free programs without source'
2010-11-28 10:14 <viric> Like the old computer times, when magazines brought lists of "POKE"s that ended up in a little videogame.
2010-11-28 10:15 <viric> Do you use 'dict' in the nanonote? I've to make it work. I also want links...
2010-11-28 10:15 <wpwrak_> naw, free assembler programs without comments ;-)
2010-11-28 10:15 <viric> hehe similar, yes
2010-11-28 10:16 <viric> Some people used to that can quickly say "an amplifier stage", "an adapter", "a filter", ...
2010-11-28 10:16 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: this shows something your 3d printer doesn't produce: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/vialtray-mill.jpg
2010-11-28 10:16 <viric> as in asm some people sees "a switch() statement", "a loop", "a memory copy", ...
2010-11-28 10:16 <viric> wpwrak_: you have to prepare some photo album for us to see :)
2010-11-28 10:17 <wpwrak_> viric: a lot of stuff takes quite a bit of explaining if you want to explain it. and it's often fairly basic. e.g., the value of a pull-up.
2010-11-28 10:17 <viric> those pictures 'vale más que mil palabras'
2010-11-28 10:17 <viric> wpwrak_: not that much... this intensity here, this there, ... Ohm law, and that's it
2010-11-28 10:17 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: hey you have free compost for gardening "
2010-11-28 10:18 <kristianpaul> s/"/!
2010-11-28 10:18 <viric> wpwrak_: in order to adapt values to the components you may own, you have to reverse engineer the whole.
2010-11-28 10:18 <wpwrak_> viric: well, lots of values come from the data sheets. so what you really want is those.
2010-11-28 10:19 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: well my 3d printer make a raft so i have some residual plastic and the end too
2010-11-28 10:20 <wpwrak_> viric: for pull-ups and the like, you normally just use a ballpark number, e.g., 100 kOhm for an input with good (small) leakage current, 10 kOhm for not so good leakage. anything else would be unusual and probably worth explaining.
2010-11-28 10:20 <viric> well
2010-11-28 10:20 <wpwrak_> viric: for LEDs, people tend to just use something around 100 Ohm and never bother with doing the math ;-)
2010-11-28 10:20 <viric> The source should simply say then "I copied the datasheet"
2010-11-28 10:20 <wpwrak_> viric: that's the default assumption :)
2010-11-28 10:20 <viric> haha
2010-11-28 10:21 <viric> I always do the math
2010-11-28 10:21 <viric> there are electronic calculators these days :)
2010-11-28 10:22 <viric> I think there are not good means to "add source information" to circuit schematics
2010-11-28 10:22 <wpwrak_> what's often much more interesting than a description of how the circuit works is a description of why it was changed in its history. that's where the surprises are :)
2010-11-28 10:22 <viric> History has also value, sure
2010-11-28 10:23 <wpwrak_> you can put text comments in the schematics. but if you put too much, it gets confusing
2010-11-28 10:23 <viric> Text comments are usually of the kind "don't do this"
2010-11-28 10:23 <viric> or "do this"
2010-11-28 10:23 <wpwrak_> you can also write small documents on specific topics, number them, and put the number in the schematics
2010-11-28 10:23 <viric> Sure
2010-11-28 10:23 <viric> I don't mean it's impossible to do
2010-11-28 10:24 <wpwrak_> e.g., ben-wpan/ecn/ (not a lot there, though)
2010-11-28 10:24 <viric> It's also easier to publish binaries than source code, programming. Specially to those not used to do so.
2010-11-28 10:24 <wpwrak_> for a lot of things, you have to read the data sheets anyway, so it makes sense not to explain stuff that's written there again
2010-11-28 10:25 <viric> we have hypertext since years :)
2010-11-28 10:25 <wpwrak_> yeah, click for data sheet would be nice :)
2010-11-28 10:25 <wpwrak_> well, we have dsv, that helps :)
2010-11-28 10:25 <viric> what is dsv?
2010-11-28 10:25 <viric> (if it's the schematic 'diff', I still have not used it :)
2010-11-28 10:26 <wpwrak_> no, that would be schhist
2010-11-28 10:26 <viric> so dsv?
2010-11-28 10:26 <wpwrak_> dsv is a very primitive system to download and display data sheets
2010-11-28 10:26 <wpwrak_> e.g., in ben-wpan, you do  make dsv  and then it downloads all the data sheets i used
2010-11-28 10:27 <viric> ah, great thing.
2010-11-28 10:27 <viric> Comparing, it's far better than not having that
2010-11-28 10:27 <wpwrak_> after that, you can  dsv antenna  or  dsv txrx  or  dsv at86rf230  (the latter is equivalent to "txrx") and so on
2010-11-28 10:28 <wpwrak_> this "solves" the issue that you can't legally redistribute most data sheets
2010-11-28 10:28 <viric> clear
2010-11-28 10:28 <wpwrak_> some companies may still frown upon you distributing "deep links", but that's a lot less likely to draw hostile attention than anything else
2010-11-28 10:30 <viric> sure
2010-11-28 10:30 <viric> how are the wpan tests going
2010-11-28 10:30 <viric> ?
2010-11-28 10:31 <viric> do you take notes of the progress anywhere else than the repository?
2010-11-28 10:32 <wpwrak_> this is how it's going: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/ants-s1.png
2010-11-28 10:33 <wpwrak_> (notes) well, i have some local notes. and of course occasionally pictures
2010-11-28 10:33 <viric> and you publish them specially through irc?
2010-11-28 10:33 <wpwrak_> ;-)
2010-11-28 10:33 <viric> :)
2010-11-28 10:33 <viric> the signal strength is in SNR?
2010-11-28 10:34 <wpwrak_> if they are of more than a passing interest, i post them in a mail or reference them in the repository
2010-11-28 10:34 <viric> ok
2010-11-28 10:34 <wpwrak_> uh, i'm not even sure what unit that signal strength would be. it's just something that looks more or less "right"
2010-11-28 10:35 <viric> where do you get that number from?
2010-11-28 10:35 <wpwrak_> the objective is to find the best antenna, so as long as they all use the same algorithm, the actual numbers don't matter so much
2010-11-28 10:35 <viric> ok
2010-11-28 10:35 <viric> and the testing conditions are a reasonable distance?
2010-11-28 10:36 <wpwrak_> well ... i emit a test signal, receive the wave, strip the initial samples (they're often distorted), do an fft, then drop all the values below a certain threshold, sum the ones within a certain interval, and hope for the best :-)
2010-11-28 10:37 <wpwrak_> about 3 m between antennas
2010-11-28 10:38 <wpwrak_> 378 cm
2010-11-28 10:40 <viric> where is the repository for your ben-wpan?
2010-11-28 10:41 <wpwrak_> git clone git@projects.qi-hardware.com:ben-wpan.git
2010-11-28 10:42 <viric> thank you! I was looking exactly for this
2010-11-28 10:42 <viric> oh permission denid
2010-11-28 10:44 <wpwrak_> hmm, then check  http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/source/help/
2010-11-28 10:44 <wpwrak_> there are two ways to access it. one may require keys.
2010-11-28 10:45 <viric> where to get keys?
2010-11-28 10:45 <viric> let me see
2010-11-28 10:45 <viric> ah
2010-11-28 10:45 <viric> that page solved
2010-11-28 10:46 <wpwrak_> (keys) whem you go to http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/preferences/, you can upload your ssh key
2010-11-28 10:47 <viric> ah good
2010-11-28 10:47 <wpwrak_> that may help in this case (not entirely sure. maybe you'd also have to have commit access for this type of clone to work.)
2010-11-28 10:47 <wpwrak_> anyway, the files are the same :)
2010-11-28 10:47 <viric> sure
2010-11-28 10:48 <viric> you made your own usb-wpan too? not only that of the ben? :)
2010-11-28 10:49 <wpwrak_> we need both :)
2010-11-28 10:49 <viric> sure
2010-11-28 10:50 <viric> but I thought you could have used one sold mainstream
2010-11-28 10:50 <viric> (if there are)
2010-11-28 10:50 <wpwrak_> and it seems that all the commercial offerings suck on one way or another
2010-11-28 10:50 <wpwrak_> (hard to find / not open enough / too large, etc.)
2010-11-28 12:40 <kristianpaul> whats is better: wait for signal telling the data is ready to be read or use a set signal then wait for the data
2010-11-28 13:10 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: huh ?
2010-11-28 13:23 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: he :)
2010-11-28 13:27 <kristianpaul> just trolling my self with some diagrams
2010-11-28 13:27 <wpwrak_> ;-)
2010-11-28 13:29 <kristianpaul> woah [OT] http://www.elpais.com/global/
2010-11-28 13:29 <kristianpaul> lunch time
2010-11-28 13:41 <wpwrak_> (wikileaks) oh, that should be fun ;-))
2010-11-28 15:11 <kyak> ehm, guys
2010-11-28 15:11 <kyak> say, there is a samsung tv, and it has serial port in some vga pins (http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/samygo/index.php?title=Ex-Link_Cable_for_C-Series)
2010-11-28 15:11 <kyak> the voltage level is 3.3 V
2010-11-28 15:12 <kyak> they suggest using a special cable for that (with voltage convertter)
2010-11-28 15:12 <kyak> but since Ben already has 3.3 V serial pins, can i connect those directly?
2010-11-28 15:13 <kristianpaul> seems yes
2010-11-28 15:13 <kyak> i mean, i want to connect Ben's GND, TXD, and RXD pins on it's back directly to according TV VGA pins
2010-11-28 15:13 <kyak> thus avoiding necessity for that cable
2010-11-28 15:13 <kyak> good!
2010-11-28 15:14 <kyak> if i brick that tv, Ben might help :)
2010-11-28 15:14 <kristianpaul> r u sure is 3.3v?
2010-11-28 15:15 <kyak> on tv?
2010-11-28 15:15 <kristianpaul> i mean didi you measure
2010-11-28 15:15 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-11-28 15:15 <kyak> it says "As the TV has TTL level serial output (3.3V)"
2010-11-28 15:15 <kristianpaul> s/didi/did
2010-11-28 15:15 <kristianpaul> yeah i saw
2010-11-28 15:15 <kyak> but i didn't measure (i don't even have the tv yet)
2010-11-28 15:15 <kristianpaul> well seems the ben can save you all thos adapters
2010-11-28 15:15 <kyak> this is cool
2010-11-28 15:15 <kyak> im trying to imagine my further actions
2010-11-28 15:16 <kyak> should i connect to ttyS0 with minicom?
2010-11-28 15:16 <kristianpaul> he i wonder if at time that wiki was written was aware of ftdi chips
2010-11-28 15:16 <kyak> and i will see the console outptu from TV?
2010-11-28 15:16 <kristianpaul> well i dont known if your tc have such us console
2010-11-28 15:16 <kristianpaul> minicom?..
2010-11-28 15:16 <kyak> i guess max232 is just more common than ftdi..?
2010-11-28 15:16 <kristianpaul> sure
2010-11-28 15:17 <kyak> yes, after having all these hardware connections, how do i actually use the console?
2010-11-28 15:17 <kristianpaul> ah yes minicoom i nbevr used but i know what it is
2010-11-28 15:17 <kyak> ok\
2010-11-28 15:17 <kyak> i don't really understand at the moment
2010-11-28 15:17 <kyak> this procedure..
2010-11-28 15:17 <kristianpaul> ah service menu
2010-11-28 15:18 <kyak> it is like: my shell <-> minicom <-> ttyS0 <-> TV serial port
2010-11-28 15:18 <kristianpaul> ok seems it should work with ben indeed
2010-11-28 15:19 <kristianpaul> sorry i was readint the wiki first
2010-11-28 15:19 <kristianpaul> sound like a plan
2010-11-28 15:19 <kyak> yep, thank you :)
2010-11-28 15:19 <kyak> i'm considering this C-series tv from Samsung
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> and there are guys overthere that seem to hack it successfully
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> it has linux on board
2010-11-28 15:20 <kristianpaul> what you want a hack on it?
2010-11-28 15:20 <kristianpaul> dont have TV
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> basically i just want to play files from smb/nfs share
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> that's all
2010-11-28 15:20 <kristianpaul> oh it have ethernet as well?
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> sure
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> ethernet and usb
2010-11-28 15:20 <kristianpaul> awesome
2010-11-28 15:20 <kyak> and i can plug wifi in there
2010-11-28 15:20 <kristianpaul> TV are computers now
2010-11-28 15:21 <kyak> so i plan to connect it to my router
2010-11-28 15:21 <kyak> and profit!!
2010-11-28 15:22 <kristianpaul> good for you then :)
2010-11-28 15:22 <kristianpaul> if you plan use minicom in openwrt make sure inittan dont lauch tty on it
2010-11-28 15:23 <kyak> oh yes, good hint
2010-11-28 15:23 <kristianpaul> and BTW are you aware of uses of the tty on the nanonote requires soldering some wires?
2010-11-28 15:23 <kyak> of course :) i was reading here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console
2010-11-28 15:24 <kyak> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Papermod_3.jpg
2010-11-28 15:24 <kyak> like this approach
2010-11-28 15:24 <kristianpaul> good, well the other option is uSD bitbanging
2010-11-28 15:24 <kyak> what is it?
2010-11-28 15:25 <kyak> using some uSD outputs?
2010-11-28 15:25 <kristianpaul> yeap
2010-11-28 15:25 <kristianpaul> uSD is a can work also as PORTD GPIO
2010-11-28 15:25 <kristianpaul> wpwrak_: had make a great work around it with wpan
2010-11-28 15:26 <kyak> is there info somewhere in wiki?
2010-11-28 15:26 <kristianpaul> and now seems is develpoing a bitbang lib
2010-11-28 15:26 <kristianpaul> i wonder if wpwrak_ uses the wiki ;)
2010-11-28 15:29 <kristianpaul> brb evening shower :)
2010-11-28 16:01 <wpwrak_> kristianpaul: (wiki) not much. still waiting/hoping for a way to integrate it into the workflow ...
2010-11-28 21:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove  msmtp-queue, Applied in r24176 upstream http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ce7e2ed
2010-11-28 22:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package, aewan, Ascii Art Editor http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e357b2c
2010-11-28 22:59 <wpwrak_> nice :) now all that's missing is blender ;-)
2010-11-28 23:05 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: vialtray/tray.pl: y size is 93 mm, not 90; adjust y offset accordingly http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2c4e3eb
2010-11-28 23:16 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: fix glitch in fft.c and add scripts to display data sets without temp file http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/eafb2a2
2010-11-28 23:52 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ants: added 105% and 115% antennas http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/fa08ac3