2010-11-24 01:17 <xakh> anyone good with gmenu2x?
2010-11-24 01:17 <xakh> I need to set up a few shortcuts, and I can't remember what folder I have to move stuff into for that.
2010-11-24 01:18 <xiangfu> xakh: /usr/share/gmenu2x/sections/applications/
2010-11-24 01:18 <xakh> you are awesome, xiang.
2010-11-24 01:19 <xakh> also, I have a wallpaper, if I scale it down, think people might like to use it?
2010-11-24 01:19 <xakh> I usually just use this one of a gorilla high fiving a shark in front of an explosion, but this other one's neat too.
2010-11-24 01:20 <xiangfu> xakh: we have keep some extra files at : http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/data/qi_lb60/files
2010-11-24 01:21 <xakh> cool
2010-11-24 01:21 <xiangfu> xakh:  there are still some apps don't have icon in gmenu2x.
2010-11-24 01:21 <xakh> that's alright
2010-11-24 01:21 <xakh> I like to make my own
2010-11-24 01:21 <xakh> and it's usually games anyway
2010-11-24 01:21 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: if you are good with wikis, you can upload and attach the wallpaper here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Nanonote_Wallpapers
2010-11-24 01:21 <wolfspraul> or directly commit as xiangfu suggested, both fine
2010-11-24 01:21 <xiangfu> xakh: maybe we can add yours to openwrt-xburst.git :)
2010-11-24 01:22 <xiangfu> xakh: we need add more game to NanoNote :)
2010-11-24 01:22 <xiangfu> games
2010-11-24 01:22 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: you mean "xakh" :)
2010-11-24 01:22 <xakh> thass the one
2010-11-24 01:22 <xakh> well they're the premade ones
2010-11-24 01:22 <xakh> but I have some suggestions!
2010-11-24 01:23 <xakh> one I'd like to see is called angstron2
2010-11-24 01:23 <xakh> http://batterypoweredgames.blogspot.com/2009/07/angstron-2-droid-hunter-release.html
2010-11-24 01:23 <xakh> I did some work with the author, and he's really cool
2010-11-24 01:23 <xakh> the game uses primarily SVG files
2010-11-24 01:23 <xiangfu> xakh: I am work on the "nethack" before. I only compile one "nethack" binary. still miss a lot of *.lev. do you know where we can download those *.lev files?
2010-11-24 01:24 <xakh> for its textures, and is pretty portables
2010-11-24 01:24 <xakh> unfortunately no, I don't remember
2010-11-24 01:24 <xakh> I've been gone since July, so I'm pretty rusty, I had Uni to take care of
2010-11-24 01:27 <xakh> okay
2010-11-24 01:27 <xakh> so here's my wallpaper!
2010-11-24 01:27 <xakh> http://i.imgur.com/5x1zI.png
2010-11-24 01:27 <xakh> like it?
2010-11-24 01:28 <xiangfu> xakh: pretty good.  please add it to wiki. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Nanonote_Wallpapers
2010-11-24 01:28 <xakh> alrighty!
2010-11-24 01:29 <xiangfu> xakh: then we have one more pre-install wallpaper for NanoNote. others at: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/source/tree/master/pandora/skins/Default/wallpapers
2010-11-24 01:30 <xakh> I like the ones it comes with
2010-11-24 01:30 <xakh> I just thought this would be a good addition
2010-11-24 01:33 <xakh> hm
2010-11-24 01:33 <xakh> I don't know what license
2010-11-24 01:34 <xakh> is a CC good?
2010-11-24 01:34 <xiangfu> xakh: yes.
2010-11-24 01:34 <xakh> alright, commercial usage allowed, obviously, eh?
2010-11-24 01:38 <wolfspraul> xakh: yes, we follow the Wikimedia Foundation, i.e. we do not include any content that comes with non-commercial or no-derivative restrictions, or under fair-use exceptions
2010-11-24 01:38 <xakh> alrigh cool
2010-11-24 01:38 <wolfspraul> so for a wallpaper, cc-by or cc-by-sa would be great
2010-11-24 01:38 <xakh> just checking, I've never uploaded before
2010-11-24 01:38 <wolfspraul> or public domain, of course
2010-11-24 01:39 <wolfspraul> thanks for trying, and taking the time and patience to learn about it!
2010-11-24 01:39 <xakh> I've adapted it from a work by another guy, I'm on a chat program with him trying to figure out what he wants for licensing
2010-11-24 01:39 <wolfspraul> good
2010-11-24 01:39 <wolfspraul> at some point the work may be so simple however that it is not copyrightable anyway
2010-11-24 01:40 <xakh> true
2010-11-24 01:40 <wolfspraul> (not that I want to steal anybody's work, this is a legal comment)
2010-11-24 01:40 <xakh> though the process he went to to get the original work was pretty intense
2010-11-24 01:40 <wolfspraul> we love to credit authors, however significant or insignificant something may be
2010-11-24 01:40 <wolfspraul> exactly, you never know, and that is to be respected
2010-11-24 01:40 <xakh> exactly
2010-11-24 01:41 <xakh> like, here's the original. He went to the beach, took an expensive camera, and let water hit the lens head on while he hit the flash
2010-11-24 01:41 <xakh> so it lit up all the particles
2010-11-24 01:41 <xakh> http://i.imgur.com/YVQSa.jpg
2010-11-24 01:42 <wolfspraul> interesting
2010-11-24 01:42 <xakh> yeah, I like this artist
2010-11-24 01:42 <wolfspraul> if he is OK with cc licensing, add a short comment with that information in the summary
2010-11-24 01:43 <wolfspraul> and a link/name of the original author
2010-11-24 01:43 <xakh> alright, cool
2010-11-24 01:43 <xakh> just double checking with the guy
2010-11-24 01:43 <xakh> the wallpaper I currently have is a copyrighted picture, so I can't use that on the default install
2010-11-24 01:44 <xiangfu> xakh: check this file: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/source/tree/master/pandora/skins/Default/wallpapers/README
2010-11-24 01:44 <xakh> hm, the guy wants to sleep on it
2010-11-24 01:44 <xakh> sorry, I'll upload it in a couple day
2010-11-24 01:44 <xakh> s
2010-11-24 01:45 <xakh> if that's alright, he wants to do it, but it's sort of late where he is, so he's not sure how to go about it
2010-11-24 01:46 <xakh> sorry about this, he's a picky dude
2010-11-24 01:47 <xiangfu> xakh: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system/bin/xburst/packages/netsurf_r10948-1_xburst.ipk
2010-11-24 01:47 <xiangfu> xakh: here is the netsurf.
2010-11-24 01:47 <xakh> oh man
2010-11-24 01:47 <xakh> you are awesome!
2010-11-24 01:48 <xiangfu> xakh: you can test and give some feedback. :)
2010-11-24 01:48 <xakh> definitely
2010-11-24 01:48 <xiangfu> xakh: you need install five libs: libcss * libhubbub * libparserutils * libnsfb * ibwapcaplet
2010-11-24 01:48 <xiangfu> s/ibwapcaplet/libwapcaplet
2010-11-24 01:48 <xakh> hm
2010-11-24 01:49 <xakh> I'll make a note somewhere so I remember that, my memory sucks
2010-11-24 01:52 <xakh> another question, where's the wallpapers?
2010-11-24 01:52 <xakh> on the nano
2010-11-24 01:54 <xiangfu> xakh: /usr/share/gmenu2x/skins/Default/wallpapers
2010-11-24 01:55 <xakh> cool
2010-11-24 02:04 <xakh> if I make a new folder in sections
2010-11-24 02:04 <xakh> say I call it games
2010-11-24 02:04 <xakh> will that make the new section?
2010-11-24 02:05 <xakh> oh, and of course, what's the terminal command for making a new directory?
2010-11-24 02:06 <wolfspraul> xakh: take your time with the wallpaper, no rush
2010-11-24 02:06 <xakh> okay, cool, thanks
2010-11-24 02:06 <wolfspraul> if the author doesn't want to share it, fine no problem, of course that is to be respected
2010-11-24 02:06 <xakh> yeah
2010-11-24 02:07 <xakh> so, how do I make a new folder in terminal again?
2010-11-24 02:07 <xakh> I
2010-11-24 02:07 <xakh> I'm spoiled with nautilus
2010-11-24 02:09 <xakh> oh
2010-11-24 02:09 <xakh> mkdir
2010-11-24 02:09 <xakh> duh
2010-11-24 02:15 <xakh> by the way
2010-11-24 02:15 <xakh> for playing doom
2010-11-24 02:15 <xakh> this nano is better than phones, gameboys, and Xbox 360s
2010-11-24 02:15 <xakh> I'm sort of a Doom fanboy
2010-11-24 02:16 <xakh> and I really, really like the implementation on the nano, so for gaming, it at least has that down
2010-11-24 02:20 <xakh> alright
2010-11-24 02:20 <xakh> I moved every one of Zear's games into my gmenu2x folder
2010-11-24 02:20 <xakh> now someone remind me how to make a shortcut
2010-11-24 02:20 <xakh> and we should be cooking with gas!
2010-11-24 02:21 <xakh> argh, I must sound like a total noob
2010-11-24 02:22 <xakh> wolfspraul: how do I exit the settings menu in gmenu2x?
2010-11-24 02:24 <xakh> S, as it turns out.
2010-11-24 02:30 <wolfspraul> yes :-)
2010-11-24 02:30 <xakh> now, how do I make shortcuts to the programs I want?
2010-11-24 02:33 <xakh> wolfspraul: seriously, what's the button I press for application shortcuts?
2010-11-24 02:34 <xiangfu> xakh: "enter". here are a lot of examples :http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/data/qi_lb60/files/usr/share/gmenu2x/sections/applications
2010-11-24 02:34 <roh> *mumble*
2010-11-24 02:35 <xakh> hiya ruh
2010-11-24 02:35 <roh> there is just too many colors of acryllic plastic in the catalogs.
2010-11-24 02:35 <xakh> lol
2010-11-24 02:35 <roh> and variants. frosted on one or both sides... etc
2010-11-24 02:35 <xakh> hey, wolf, enter didn't do anything
2010-11-24 02:35 <roh> <- can't decide
2010-11-24 02:36 <xakh> I'm on the latest version
2010-11-24 02:36 <xakh> get clear red with frosted
2010-11-24 02:36 <xakh> :3 I like that one.
2010-11-24 02:36 <roh> yeah.. i thought about one side frosted (inner side) and then do lsocket labels from there
2010-11-24 02:39 <roh> maybe i should order directly at evonik (manuf)  and see what happens
2010-11-24 02:42 <xakh> roh: you know anythin about gmenu2x, specifically the new keybindings?
2010-11-24 02:42 <roh> nope
2010-11-24 02:43 <xakh> damn
2010-11-24 02:43 <xakh> I need someone who does, I'm trying to add some shortcuts to some games
2010-11-24 02:48 <roh> isnt that all Freedesktop.org config style?
2010-11-24 02:49 <xakh> I dunno
2010-11-24 02:52 <roh> heh.. well.. relax. its just much too early. 8:50am over here
2010-11-24 02:52 <xakh> ah
2010-11-24 02:52 <xakh> 2 am here
2010-11-24 02:52 <xakh> I'm headed to bed
2010-11-24 02:52 <xakh> staying with some relatives, sleeping on an air mattress in their basement
2010-11-24 02:52 <xakh> lol
2010-11-24 02:53 <xakh> high class, right?
2010-11-24 02:55 <roh>  .oO(beats waking up at 6:50 due to kids of a friend who need to go to kindergarden)
2010-11-24 02:57 <roh> bbl
2010-11-24 03:01 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: fix the wrong log.txt path, when using -l option http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8e4e309
2010-11-24 03:18 <kyak> wolfspraul: hey! were yo ulooking for me?
2010-11-24 03:21 <wolfspraul> kyak: was I? :-)
2010-11-24 03:21 <wolfspraul> ah yes
2010-11-24 03:21 <wolfspraul> the 'thinnest' gui toolkit...
2010-11-24 03:22 <wolfspraul> on the Ben, what are the differences (pros and cons) between sdl and directfb?
2010-11-24 03:22 <wolfspraul> when we talked about netsurf the other day, we mentioned a 'linuxfb' backend
2010-11-24 03:23 <wolfspraul> does this mean that netsurf directly opens the framebuffer device and draws to it, without any additional 'toolkit' library in between?
2010-11-24 03:23 <wolfspraul> or is there another 'linuxfb' toolkit library hiding somewhere?
2010-11-24 03:23 <wolfspraul> kyak: those were the questions, roughly, and I thought you may be able to help with some of them?
2010-11-24 03:23 <wolfspraul> gtk and qt are pretty clear to me, and I think most others
2010-11-24 03:24 <wolfspraul> but for sdl vs. directfb vs. linuxfb or other 'thin' toolkits, not sure...
2010-11-24 03:24 <roh> wolfspraul sdl is just 'a shitty wrapper layer'
2010-11-24 03:24 <roh> no real intelligence. some line rendering functions. no accel at all.
2010-11-24 03:25 <roh> directfb is a hw-abstraction layer. enables you to use hw-accel for blitting/line drawing. fbdev does have no accel without something like directfb
2010-11-24 03:26 <kyak> wolfspraul: yes, better read answers from roh, i've no such experience to answer that :)
2010-11-24 03:26 <roh> and yes it gets unobvious due to directfb having the possibility to run ontop of x11, sdl etc as well (for development purposes e.g.)
2010-11-24 03:27 <roh> directfb doesnt have a toolkit. it only has stuff like 'blit' 'draw line' and all the primitives. but not 'render inputbox with ok button there' .. that would be gtk or a similar layer ontop of dfb or whatever you use
2010-11-24 03:28 <kyak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SDL_Layers.svg
2010-11-24 03:28 <kyak> does it get any clear? i don't think so :)
2010-11-24 03:28 <roh> sdl only exists due to the 'runs everywhere, performs nowhere' ;)
2010-11-24 03:28 <wolfspraul> what is 'linuxfb'?
2010-11-24 03:28 <wolfspraul> does that just refer to the name of the underlying device node of the framebuffer?
2010-11-24 03:28 <roh> nothing.
2010-11-24 03:29 <wolfspraul> or is it another library?
2010-11-24 03:29 <roh> refers to 'uses framebuffer'
2010-11-24 03:29 <roh> wolfspraul you can always directly mmap the fbdev, and write pixels there unaccelerated.
2010-11-24 03:29 <wolfspraul> ok, so when we say netsurf has a 'linuxfb backend', we mean that netsurf opens the framebuffer device directly, and writes into it without help of any 'toolkit' library
2010-11-24 03:29 <roh> thats the whole idea of it. anyhing else needs hw-dependant drivers again
2010-11-24 03:30 <roh> wolfspraul ack. means also its slow (given more that a few pixels of fbdev)
2010-11-24 03:30 <wolfspraul> the nice thing about SDL seems to be that it has python bindings via pygame
2010-11-24 03:30 <wolfspraul> roh: not everybody needs gui speed
2010-11-24 03:31 <roh> wolfspraul well.. i am still one of the persons which tends to qualify speed by something inbetween 'i need to wait' and 'i press something, and it does it before ive pulled my finger back' ;)
2010-11-24 03:31 <wolfspraul> so if you come from a scripting language (any scripting language), maybe pygame via sdl is a nice option on the Ben?
2010-11-24 03:32 <wolfspraul> or are there scripting language bindings for directfb, or any other way to manipulate the framebuffer from a scripting language?
2010-11-24 03:32 <roh> should be.
2010-11-24 03:32 <roh> i think limiting yourself to 'one lib' would be foolish
2010-11-24 03:34 <roh> hm. there is http://sourceforge.net/projects/pydirectfb/
2010-11-24 03:34 <roh> but well.. you only really need accel when your screen gets bigger than its now on the nanonote. i guess you can already blit in 20fps with cpu alone
2010-11-24 03:37 <roh> wolfspraul i think for games its much more important to find a way using 2 or 3 keys at the same time than graphics speed above 20-30fp
2010-11-24 03:56 <kyak> xiangfu: i was wondering, what's "qc"?
2010-11-24 03:59 <xiangfu> kyak: quickcalc.
2010-11-24 03:59 <kyak> ah!
2010-11-24 04:00 <xiangfu> kyak: I have added "sshfs" to config.full_system. not commit yet.
2010-11-24 04:01 <kyak> great! does it work?
2010-11-24 04:01 <xiangfu> kyak: not test yest.
2010-11-24 04:03 <kyak> hm.. what's its full name?
2010-11-24 04:04 <xiangfu> kyak: sshfs ?
2010-11-24 04:04 <kyak> yes
2010-11-24 04:04 <xiangfu> kyak: SSHFS - filesystem client based on ssh
2010-11-24 04:04 <kyak> i can't find it in config
2010-11-24 04:04 <xiangfu> kyak:  sshfs [user@]host:[dir] mountpoint [options]
2010-11-24 04:05 <kyak> is it a aprt of busybox or what?
2010-11-24 04:05 <kyak> *part
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> kyak: it's at Repository Root: svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> Repository UUID: 3c298f89-4303-0410-b956-a3cf2f4a3e73
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> Revision: 24018
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> kyak: net/sshfs/
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sshfs
2010-11-24 04:06 <kyak> oh ok, got it now..
2010-11-24 04:06 <xiangfu> kyak: I am thinking if we use xbboot and zImage to boot Nanonote. then
2010-11-24 04:07 <xiangfu> we can use the "sshfs" to access HOSTS image files.
2010-11-24 04:07 <viric> xiangfu: http://www.tucows.com/preview/8606 talks about quickcalc 1.26, while it's source url (sunsite) mentions 1.01
2010-11-24 04:07 <xiangfu> no need to copy them to nanonote or sdcard.
2010-11-24 04:07 <viric> xiangfu: I wanted to try a nfsroot boot. Did you try?
2010-11-24 04:07 <viric> over usb0
2010-11-24 04:08 <viric> it should be trivial to do
2010-11-24 04:08 <xiangfu> viric: no.
2010-11-24 04:08 <viric> I thought the speed would be very low
2010-11-24 04:08 <viric> lower than the NAND
2010-11-24 04:09 <viric> I only tried transfers through usb0 using sftp, so I don't really know the speed without the encryption overhead
2010-11-24 04:11 <kyak> xiangfu: so if your intention is to use rootfs from host, then nfs should be better..
2010-11-24 04:11 <xiangfu> viric: I use scp , copy file to nanonote , it's give me ~ 700KB/s
2010-11-24 04:12 <viric> limited by cpu ?
2010-11-24 04:12 <viric> it is usb 1.1, right?
2010-11-24 04:13 <kyak> my feeling is that it is limited by NAND
2010-11-24 04:13 <viric> then I should try the nfsroot definitely
2010-11-24 04:13 <mth> I get 1.5MB/s on the Dingoo using FTP to the SD card
2010-11-24 04:13 <kyak> yeah, it's faster with SD card
2010-11-24 04:14 <viric> hm
2010-11-24 04:14 <viric> perfect
2010-11-24 04:18 <viric> kyak: I was booting quite enough of the OS already, both in the nanonote and qemu :)
2010-11-24 04:18 <viric> qemu helped a lot
2010-11-24 04:20 <kyak> yeah, this nfs thing is easy to test with qemu
2010-11-24 04:20 <kyak> changing kernel command line like that
2010-11-24 04:25 <xiangfu> kyak: seems not working in usb0 always give me :root@BenNanoNote:~# sshfs xiangfu@192.168.254.100:~/ /mnt
2010-11-24 04:25 <xiangfu>  
2010-11-24 04:25 <xiangfu> read: Connection reset by peer
2010-11-24 04:26 <viric> kyak: well, with qemu it has 'eth0', so it looks even easier.
2010-11-24 04:26 <viric> kyak: I mean the nfsroot we should test with the nanonote
2010-11-24 04:26 <kyak> viric: i don't see any difference between eth0 and usb0 :)
2010-11-24 04:27 <kyak> xiangfu: do you see some messages in your host logs?
2010-11-24 04:27 <viric> kyak: hmmm well, the 'usb0' appears on the PC (nfs server) when switching on the nanonote
2010-11-24 04:27 <kyak> about Ben trying to connect
2010-11-24 04:27 <viric> kyak: I don't have udev set to configure usb0 automatically still .)
2010-11-24 04:27 <viric> :)
2010-11-24 04:28 <kyak> viric: i have it :) not me actually, but my distro
2010-11-24 04:29 <viric> ok
2010-11-24 04:29 <viric> also the NAT routing for the nanonote to the internet? :)
2010-11-24 04:29 <kyak> of course
2010-11-24 04:29 <kyak> i just plug it in and it's ready to go
2010-11-24 04:29 <viric> ahh clever distro
2010-11-24 04:30 <viric> I did not spend the minutes to set that :)
2010-11-24 04:30 <kyak> nah, i had to set it up for the first time :)
2010-11-24 04:30 <kyak> then it's atuomatic
2010-11-24 04:31 <kyak> anyway i would prefer nfs root not on my laptop but on my server where i build
2010-11-24 04:31 <kyak> i'm just lazy thinking about setting up nfs exports, firewall rules, etc
2010-11-24 04:33 <viric> hehe
2010-11-24 04:34 <viric> I may play with that some day. I work too much for the nanonote at home, lately :)
2010-11-24 05:55 <kristianpaul> you can transfer to ram :D
2010-11-24 05:55 <kristianpaul> if you still havin enoguth to moutn a small fs on it
2010-11-24 05:59 <DKR813> elo
2010-11-24 05:59 <DKR813> ppl thr ?
2010-11-24 05:59 <viric> the main founder died recently. honor to him.
2010-11-24 06:00 <viric> (elo)
2010-11-24 06:00 <DKR813> 6850 or 460 hawk ?
2010-11-24 06:06 <DKR813> help me decide gtx 460 hawk TA or 6850
2010-11-24 06:52 <xakh> hallo!
2010-11-24 06:52 <xakh> so, I can't get Quake or Doom to work.
2010-11-24 06:52 <xakh> it made me sad.
2010-11-24 06:53 <viric> prboom works fine here
2010-11-24 06:54 <xakh> newest reflash?
2010-11-24 06:54 <xakh> I was using a ridiculously outdated OWRT from July, and it worked fine
2010-11-24 06:54 <xakh> but now it fails every time
2010-11-24 06:55 <viric> I'm not using openwrt...
2010-11-24 06:55 <viric> others may answer
2010-11-24 06:55 <xakh> ahh
2010-11-24 06:55 <xakh> that'd be the reason
2010-11-24 06:55 <xakh> I probably should load something else, but I sorta like OWRT
2010-11-24 06:56 <xakh> well, what are you using? since half the reason I love this thing is for Doom playin'...
2010-11-24 06:56 <wolfspraul> xakh: can you give us some more information so we can reproduce the problem? if it worked in July we'll get it to work again, for sure...
2010-11-24 06:57 <xakh> definitely
2010-11-24 06:57 <xakh> technically it worked yesterday, since I just reflashed 8 hours ago or so.
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> :P
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> so
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> says I don't have the iwad
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> which is just weird
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> since I loaded it directly from the site
2010-11-24 06:58 <xakh> and I don't have access to anything that can move stuff to and from my nano currently
2010-11-24 06:59 <xakh> since it's really late at night here and I have to borrow some equipment from people currently asleep...
2010-11-24 06:59 <wolfspraul> I'm sure the bug won't run away :-)
2010-11-24 07:00 <xakh> hehe
2010-11-24 07:00 <kyak> xakh: if you had doom dat files on your rootfs, it got erased during reflash
2010-11-24 07:00 <xakh> I know that part
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> but I moved a fresh copy of the doom folders
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> from...
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> gimme a sec, forgot where I got it.
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> wait yeah
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> I got it from Zear's directory.
2010-11-24 07:02 <kyak> and where did you put then?
2010-11-24 07:02 <kyak> *them
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> in a folder called /nanostuff on the device
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> they're all self contained
2010-11-24 07:02 <xakh> in the exact order they were in when I extracted them
2010-11-24 07:02 <kyak> DB2 F@= D:C =I3 KI K3:C 5@D5 5@HK HK 5@ C74DAC F@C:C 7:8IIL HK 4II;HB? 0I: 5@CL,
2010-11-24 07:02 <kyak> damn
2010-11-24 07:02 <kyak> :)
2010-11-24 07:03 <kyak> so why are you so sure that prboom is looking for those files in /nanostuff?
2010-11-24 07:03 <xakh> ....
2010-11-24 07:03 <xakh> you're some kind of genius.
2010-11-24 07:03 <xakh> but
2010-11-24 07:03 <xakh> dunno where to put them otherwise.
2010-11-24 07:04 <kyak> run strace prboom and see where is looks for them
2010-11-24 07:04 <kyak> i guess there should be instructions from zear anyway
2010-11-24 07:04 <xakh> ...............................
2010-11-24 07:04 <kyak> some README?
2010-11-24 07:04 <xakh> really really long thing from strace
2010-11-24 07:05 <kyak> you are only interested in what's in the end
2010-11-24 07:05 <xakh> it hasnt ended.
2010-11-24 07:05 <xakh> and it keeps saying the same thing over and over
2010-11-24 07:05 <kyak> "If a game needs additional datafiles, the list of them and installation method is covered in a HOWTO_INSTALL file inside the package."
2010-11-24 07:05 <kyak> as said, yo ushould read
2010-11-24 07:05 <kyak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/zear/games/README
2010-11-24 07:06 <xakh> back in July I was a whiz with this thing
2010-11-24 07:06 <xakh> I guess I'm just rusty.
2010-11-24 07:07 <xakh> apparently I need the original doom datafiles?
2010-11-24 07:07 <xakh> that doesn't make sense, I wanna play freedoom.
2010-11-24 07:08 <xakh> the freedoom wad works too, right?
2010-11-24 07:09 <xakh> thanks. You guys make me feel stupid
2010-11-24 07:09 <xakh> in a good way.
2010-11-24 07:14 <xakh> argh.
2010-11-24 07:14 <xakh> I moved a doom2 file in there and it still won't seem to launch.
2010-11-24 07:15 <xakh> wait
2010-11-24 07:15 <xakh> I'm an idiot.
2010-11-24 07:15 <xakh> you rock for helping me figure this out, good sir.
2010-11-24 08:53 <rafa> wpwrak: wolfspraul : so.. should some features for jlime at qi servers change before to announce it a bit?.. I have a short list:
2010-11-24 08:53 <rafa> - ip at the same qi openwrt network
2010-11-24 08:53 <rafa> - improved jlime-pkg
2010-11-24 08:53 <rafa> - kernel wih the same nand layout as qi openwrt
2010-11-24 08:54 <kristianpaul> (ip at the same qi openwrt network) good !
2010-11-24 08:54 <wolfspraul> rafa: logging out, let's discuss tomorrow
2010-11-24 08:54 <rafa> wolfspraul: no problem
2010-11-24 08:54 <viric> kyak:  C:@08=5 @>48;AO?
2010-11-24 08:54 <rafa> wolfspraul: rest well
2010-11-24 08:55 <wolfspraul> I thought about the dual-booting more, and I still think the only practical way is 2 more partitions
2010-11-24 08:55 <kyak> viric: ?>G5<C 2 C:@08=5, 2  >AA88 ))
2010-11-24 08:55 <viric> kyak: ><=N :0: 1K 2 GMT+2 BK 682QHL
2010-11-24 08:55 <kyak> GMT+3
2010-11-24 08:56 <viric> B0: OA=>
2010-11-24 08:56 <kyak> are you google translating? :)
2010-11-24 08:56 <wolfspraul> talk more tomorrow
2010-11-24 08:56 <viric> C, MB> =5 <>9 @>4=>9 O7K: :)
2010-11-24 08:57 <viric> ;CGH5 =5 C<5N
2010-11-24 08:57 <kyak> 0 :0:>9 @>4=>9?
2010-11-24 08:57 <viric> :0B0;0=A:89
2010-11-24 08:57 <kyak> 2A5 @02=> =5?;>E> ?>;CG05BAO, <>;>45F )
2010-11-24 08:58 <viric> )
2010-11-24 08:59 <kyak> rafa: would be great to have the same partitions layout in owrt and jlime (specifically, to be able to mount datafs when booting jlime from sd card)
2010-11-24 09:00 <kristianpaul> yup
2010-11-24 09:00 <kristianpaul> usd is a really use port :)
2010-11-24 09:01 <kyak> huh?
2010-11-24 09:01 <kristianpaul> uSD
2010-11-24 09:01 <kristianpaul> oh u said booting from usd? i was thinking i NAND
2010-11-24 09:02 <kristianpaul> usd/SD
2010-11-24 09:02 <kyak> yeah, booting
2010-11-24 09:02 <kristianpaul> i really stop caring about data in NAND
2010-11-24 09:02 <kristianpaul> just see it like the OS NAND and try keep data safe on SD
2010-11-24 09:03 <kyak> i have some usefull stuff there
2010-11-24 09:03 <kyak> on NAND
2010-11-24 09:03 <kristianpaul> take care of it !
2010-11-24 09:03 <kyak> my SD is small (256 Mb), and it carries jlime
2010-11-24 09:03 <kyak> and i don't have uSD card reader anyway
2010-11-24 09:03 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-11-24 09:03 <kristianpaul> good point
2010-11-24 09:05 <kyak> i can install jlime while booting in owrt and (theoretically) vice versa :)
2010-11-24 09:07 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-11-24 09:07 <kristianpaul> ah yes
2010-11-24 09:07 <kristianpaul> you have a self healing system ;)
2010-11-24 09:08 <kyak> not really.. couple of days ago i've managed to corrupt boot partition :)
2010-11-24 10:47 <rafa> kyak: yes.. just that current qi openwrt nand layout could be changed soon :) .. if yes we can rebuild the jlime kernel i guess. it is no a really hard work, but well i would like to see some stable layout for a while :)
2010-11-24 10:47 <rafa> kyak: also.. there is the dual booting idea.. and for that the easiest way from wolfgang is to have 2 partitions for rootfs and one for data.. I do not have any ideas about that yet
2010-11-24 10:51 <kyak> rafa: means, the bootloader and kernel(s) will be residing in rootfs?
2010-11-24 10:52 <kyak> (dual boot or better just multiple boot is a very anticipated feature)
2010-11-24 10:52 <kristianpaul> i dont like dual boot
2010-11-24 10:52 <kristianpaul> is confusing
2010-11-24 10:52 <kyak> kristianpaul: doesn't mean it should be there by default :)
2010-11-24 10:53 <kyak> should have a config, like grub has, to add/delete menu items
2010-11-24 10:54 <kristianpaul> i dont know
2010-11-24 10:54 <kristianpaul> thats more time waiting..
2010-11-24 10:54 <kristianpaul> i want boot linux in 4 secodns :D
2010-11-24 10:54 <kyak> also configurable
2010-11-24 10:54 <kristianpaul> i think a key is okay
2010-11-24 10:54 <kyak> btw, i'd like not to turn it off at all
2010-11-24 11:00 <viric> can uboot read from ubifs?
2010-11-24 11:01 <kristianpaul> you meant load it to memory?
2010-11-24 11:02 <viric> yes
2010-11-24 11:02 <viric> load an uImage stored in ubifs
2010-11-24 11:03 <viric> I know it has ext2 and reiserfs support (upstream uboot), I don't know for ubifs
2010-11-24 11:03 <kyak> hmm
2010-11-24 11:03 <kyak> does it care about fs?
2010-11-24 11:04 <kyak> i think, we just erase the kernel partition and write uImage there
2010-11-24 11:04 <kyak> i might be mistaken
2010-11-24 11:04 <kyak> uboot just "knowns" where uImage started
2010-11-24 11:04 <viric> weren't you talking about giving options on what kernel to boot?
2010-11-24 11:04 <kyak> *starts
2010-11-24 11:05 <viric> maybe I misunderstood
2010-11-24 11:05 <kristianpaul> i was hoping one kernel particion and two separte rootfs
2010-11-24 11:05 <kristianpaul> partition*
2010-11-24 11:05 <viric> ahh ok
2010-11-24 11:05 <viric> easy then
2010-11-24 11:05 <kristianpaul> who knows :D
2010-11-24 11:05 <kyak> viric: we were.. but i think the plan is to do it with kexec
2010-11-24 11:05 <viric> aaah
2010-11-24 11:05 <kristianpaul> kexec !
2010-11-24 11:05 <viric> long time passed since last time I used kexec
2010-11-24 11:06 <kristianpaul> i never so i'm waiting to see what can it do
2010-11-24 11:06 <viric> I used 'kexec' for it to launch a 2nd kernel on kernel panic
2010-11-24 11:06 <viric> (iirc)
2010-11-24 11:07 <kristianpaul> he
2010-11-24 11:07 <kyak> heh, awesome trick
2010-11-24 11:07 <kristianpaul> indeed
2010-11-24 11:07 <viric> to debug something. I can't remember.
2010-11-24 11:07 <kristianpaul> it was wast enoguht?
2010-11-24 11:07 <viric> it's a usual approach I think..
2010-11-24 11:07 <kyak> viric: what if the second kernel paniced? ;)
2010-11-24 11:07 <kristianpaul> i meant to dont die in the panic
2010-11-24 11:07 <viric> I can't remember more details :)
2010-11-24 11:07 <kristianpaul> ahh
2010-11-24 11:08 <kristianpaul> usual?
2010-11-24 11:08 <viric> I remember I did not invent it.
2010-11-24 11:09 <viric> http://paix.org.ua/linux/crashdebug.html ?
2010-11-24 11:09 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-11-24 11:09 <viric> I did this because the panic happened while having Xorg on
2010-11-24 11:09 <viric> and I could not see any trace
2010-11-24 11:13 <kristianpaul> i like the fast boot
2010-11-24 11:15 <viric> there are 4MB for the kernel partition
2010-11-24 11:15 <viric> can't there be two kernels? :)
2010-11-24 11:33 <rafa> viric: if I have read well a couple of days ago the idea of lars or somebody, who knows.. , is to remove uboot
2010-11-24 11:33 <viric> kristianpaul: the kernel I use (2.6.35) takes 1950KiB. Two kernels fit on 4MiB :)
2010-11-24 11:33 <viric> rafa: really?
2010-11-24 11:33 <viric> well, I'd vote for an uboot *with prompt*
2010-11-24 11:34 <rafa> viric: yes.. that I read. I could be wrong becuause I was not following the chat properly. ask lars.. he knows surely
2010-11-24 11:37 <rafa> viric: but as mtd support answer you could get an answer after 5 months perhaps :)
2010-11-24 11:39 <viric> hehe
2010-11-24 11:45 <kristianpaul> not uboot
2010-11-24 12:38 <viric> kristianpaul: ?
2010-11-24 12:40 <kristianpaul> viric: sorry, i agree with the "not use uboot" movement for the nanonote
2010-11-24 12:49 <viric> aah ok
2010-11-24 12:50 <viric> why?
2010-11-24 12:50 <kristianpaul> uboot just not needed
2010-11-24 12:50 <kristianpaul> linux can boot it self and initialce devices
2010-11-24 12:51 <viric> yes yes.
2010-11-24 12:51 <kristianpaul> as larsc and wpwrak had told
2010-11-24 12:51 <viric> I agree.
2010-11-24 12:51 <viric> Can uboot talk usb-net ?
2010-11-24 12:51 <kristianpaul> usb-net?
2010-11-24 12:52 <viric> hm
2010-11-24 12:53 <viric> could uboot initialize the usb-net interface of the nanonote?
2010-11-24 12:53 <kristianpaul> ah dunno
2010-11-24 12:54 <kristianpaul> i guess it can
2010-11-24 12:54 <kristianpaul> i wonder i have the libs/stack for that task..
2010-11-24 12:55 <kristianpaul> hey see is what people said, here, i think,  bootloaders stop beeing that, when want to do more that they should do
2010-11-24 12:56 <viric> well
2010-11-24 12:56 <viric> it's easy to say now that a linux kernel works there :)
2010-11-24 13:07 <wpwrak> rafa: from what i see, it seems basically good to go. so far only used it via ssh, though. things like dual boot and such can wait.
2010-11-24 13:12 <wpwrak> viric: afaik, u-boot has no ethernet-over-usb stack. nor tcp/ip for that matter.
2010-11-24 13:13 <viric> udp would be fine
2010-11-24 13:13 <viric> I thought of tftp
2010-11-24 13:13 <viric> it does not matter much though
2010-11-24 13:13 <viric> I can live without it :)
2010-11-24 13:13 <wpwrak> viric: naw, just use linux ;-)
2010-11-24 13:14 <wpwrak> regarding partitions, one way of avoiding them would be to create something like lillo - a lean boot loader with its own map file. still better to just have a simple layout and only one first-step linux system, though.
2010-11-24 13:15 <kristianpaul> reading a  2000 paper about kexec 
2010-11-24 13:15 <wpwrak> this first-step linux could take its rootfs from an initramfs or it could just place the rootfs data after the kernel (in NAND)
2010-11-24 13:15 <kristianpaul> 2000 year*
2010-11-24 13:16 <wpwrak> 2000 papers would be a bit of work :)
2010-11-24 13:17 <wpwrak> the root file systems of the dual-booted systems could perhaps just live in a common large rootfs, e.g., /openwrt and /jlime. if you decide to remove one, you just rm -rf it
2010-11-24 13:18 <wpwrak> give the kernel a small initramds that pivot_roots it from / to /openwrt|/jlime
2010-11-24 13:25 <kristianpaul> damn how slow 50Mhz are, too MUCH !
2010-11-24 13:26 <wpwrak> where is the slowness of 50 MHz bothering you ?
2010-11-24 13:26 <kristianpaul> if you want a decent logic analizer :)
2010-11-24 13:26 <wpwrak> oh. oh course :)
2010-11-24 13:27 <kristianpaul> thats it no more :)
2010-11-24 13:29 <kristianpaul> now i see the reason of downsampling and fronted like in the USRP
2010-11-24 13:29 <kristianpaul> fronted boards* or whatever technically is called
2010-11-24 13:55 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: you mean, because ADCs that operate at 2+ GHz are kinda expensive ? :)
2010-11-24 16:05 <viric> wpwrak: do you happen to know what determines if the nanonote starts when connecting the power?
2010-11-24 16:05 <viric> it looks to me like sometimes I need to press the power button, and sometimes not
2010-11-24 16:06 <wpwrak> hmm, you mean no power (no usb, no battery) to usb power ?
2010-11-24 16:07 <viric> or plugging the battery, yes
2010-11-24 16:07 <wpwrak> with usb, i found that it depended on the time since last power
2010-11-24 16:07 <viric> I could not guess any pattern, from what I do, and whether it turns on or not
2010-11-24 16:07 <viric> ahh
2010-11-24 16:07 <wpwrak> if the time was long enough (~30 sec), it always powered on
2010-11-24 16:08 <wpwrak> otherwise, i had to do something (or just disconnect and wait a little longer)
2010-11-24 16:11 <viric> interesting
2010-11-24 16:12 <wpwrak> i didn't determine where exactly the threshold is. i found that ~30 sec is always enough, and very short disconnects (~2 s) generally weren't.
2010-11-24 16:29 <lekernel> http://www.sisvel.com/english/highlights/rdintheiiimillenium
2010-11-24 16:31 <wpwrak> lekernel: you think of working with them, to manage your IP assets ? ;-)
2010-11-24 16:37 <xakh> hey
2010-11-24 16:37 <xakh> would it be possible to hook a mouse/keyboard combo to the microSD slot?
2010-11-24 16:38 <xakh> just a thought I was kicking around.
2010-11-24 16:39 <wpwrak> if you make the hardware and driver for it ...
2010-11-24 16:39 <xakh> we could make it sort of like a dock, where you push the microSD plug in with a switch
2010-11-24 16:39 <xakh> alright, cool.
2010-11-24 16:39 <xakh> see, I had this idea, to make a little dock, and give it an improved keyboard with a sort of touchpad on the side
2010-11-24 16:39 <wpwrak> do you know that there is already hardware in qi-hw that uses the uSD slot ?
2010-11-24 16:39 <xakh> so that it could be used for more complex DirectFB tasks
2010-11-24 16:40 <xakh> I knew there was an antenna
2010-11-24 16:40 <xakh> for wifi and such, and someone made a small breakout board, right?
2010-11-24 16:40 <wpwrak> there's a SDIO wlan module. but that's not open.
2010-11-24 16:40 <xakh> yeah, that sort of sucks.
2010-11-24 16:41 <xakh> I'd really like to use wlan on my nano, but it's an uncompromizing handheld
2010-11-24 16:41 <wpwrak> there's the breakout board. then i have a cable used for programming a microprocessor. and there's the ben-wpan project.
2010-11-24 16:41 <xakh> wpan?
2010-11-24 16:41 <xakh> forgive me if I sound out of touch, I just got back into this qi stuff, after a hiatus I took in July
2010-11-24 16:41 <wpwrak> http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/blinken/blinken-100831.jpg
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> o.o
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> I want one.
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> I want one of those a lot.
2010-11-24 16:42 <wpwrak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/f32x/c2ben-run1.jpg
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> that'd save me some time and solder if I could get ahold of one of those
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> in theory
2010-11-24 16:42 <wpwrak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/atusd/atusd-20100908-inserted.jpg
2010-11-24 16:42 <xakh> we could use this to gain USB host, couldn't we?
2010-11-24 16:43 <xakh> awesome.
2010-11-24 16:43 <xakh> the last time I was here, we were all about gaining usb host. Have we gotten farther on something we can use for that?
2010-11-24 16:43 <wpwrak> tuxbrain once suggested a chip that may be suitable for usb host
2010-11-24 16:44 <wpwrak> but someone would still have to make a board with it ;-)
2010-11-24 16:44 <xakh> I think I saw that on the mailing lists, did it go anywhere?
2010-11-24 16:44 <xakh> ah right
2010-11-24 16:44 <xakh> sorry, I'm still really new to this stuff
2010-11-24 16:44 <wpwrak> (plus a boost converter for 5V power)
2010-11-24 16:44 <xakh> I love to learn though, and these products fascinate me.
2010-11-24 16:47 <xakh> also
2010-11-24 16:47 <xakh> zear: ping
2010-11-24 16:48 <zear> hey xakh
2010-11-24 16:48 <xakh> long time no see, eh?
2010-11-24 16:48 <zear> yea
2010-11-24 16:48 <zear> i sort of just idle here nowadays
2010-11-24 16:48 <xakh> ahh
2010-11-24 16:48 <xakh> you still brought the best games to nano
2010-11-24 16:48 <zear> haven't touched my nn in ages, it sleeps calmly in my drawer :)
2010-11-24 16:49 <xakh> I've been using it sorta like a gameboy
2010-11-24 16:49 <xakh> mostly powder and doom
2010-11-24 16:49 <zear> also, there's something wrong with the lcd ribbon, i think
2010-11-24 16:49 <xakh> :( that sucks
2010-11-24 16:49 <zear> the screen changes colors when i move open/close the lid
2010-11-24 16:49 <xakh> huh,
2010-11-24 16:49 <xakh> odd
2010-11-24 16:50 <xakh> glad to know you're still around, even with your nn busted up a bit.
2010-11-24 16:50 <zear> i think someone (wolf?) said he got two nn returns with a similar problem
2010-11-24 16:50 <zear> though mine is a developement model, so without a warranty :)
2010-11-24 16:50 <xakh> ah
2010-11-24 16:50 <xakh> I think mine doesn't have a warranty either
2010-11-24 16:50 <xakh> but I sorta like it that way
2010-11-24 16:50 <zear> anyway, i wish i could port more of this stuff, but 1) no time 2) owrt has no good toolchain, and jlime toolchain for some reason doesn't work on my machine while it works for other people
2010-11-24 16:51 <xakh> that's sucky
2010-11-24 16:51 <xakh> at least I have powder though.
2010-11-24 16:51 <zear> yea, it's a great game
2010-11-24 16:51 <xakh> tlosh forever!
2010-11-24 16:51 <zear> xakh, and, if you like roguelikes, blizzard ported sdl gui for nethack
2010-11-24 16:51 <zear> for jlime
2010-11-24 16:51 <zear> and it's awesome
2010-11-24 16:51 <xakh> seriously, Blizzard made a nethack gui?
2010-11-24 16:51 <xakh> that's amazing.
2010-11-24 16:51 <zear> no, he just ported one
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> but it fits 320x240 almost perfectly
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> one minor issue is it doesn't break the lines on the end of the screen
2010-11-24 16:52 <xakh> oh, He?
2010-11-24 16:52 <xakh> I thought you meant the game company
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> only when they were originally meant to be broken
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> ah, no no
2010-11-24 16:52 <xakh> that idea was hilarious
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> the guy from the #jlime channel :D
2010-11-24 16:52 <xakh> ahhh
2010-11-24 16:52 <zear> so anyway, this small issue is that sometimes the messages go off screen
2010-11-24 16:53 <xakh> the day Blizzard starts targeting the nn is the day I eat a boiled boot
2010-11-24 16:53 <xakh> eh, that's no biggy
2010-11-24 16:53 <zear> most of the time the messages fit, and if they don't, you still can tell what is going on by the visible part of the message
2010-11-24 16:54 <xakh> I rarely make it past staircase 4 or 5 anyway
2010-11-24 16:54 <zear> same
2010-11-24 16:54 <xakh> so no biggy on that
2010-11-24 16:54 <zear> but the port is really good
2010-11-24 16:54 <zear> item list, etc, all fit on the screen
2010-11-24 16:54 <zear> and items have the little icons next to them
2010-11-24 16:54 <xakh> ooh
2010-11-24 16:54 <zear> so you can tell what they are
2010-11-24 16:55 <zear> there are 3 zoom levels, so you can see the whole level at once
2010-11-24 16:55 <zear> and you can switch from tileset to ascii mode on the fly by pressing tab
2010-11-24 16:55 <xakh> o.o
2010-11-24 16:55 <xakh> now I need it.
2010-11-24 16:55 <zear> join #jlime and ask blizzard for it
2010-11-24 16:55 <zear> also, you'll need jlime to be installed on your nn
2010-11-24 16:55 <xakh> unfortunately, I can't find a uSD card to spare for Jlime for now
2010-11-24 16:55 <zear> ouch
2010-11-24 16:56 <xakh> next time I get paid that's first on my list
2010-11-24 16:56 <zear> :D
2010-11-24 16:56 <zear> did i mention it has autocompletion for the commands? :D
2010-11-24 16:56 <xakh> haha! now that's something.
2010-11-24 16:56 <zear> like, you can still just use qwerty to activate the commands
2010-11-24 16:56 <zear> but there's also an option to type them yourself
2010-11-24 16:56 <zear> with autocompletion
2010-11-24 16:56 <xakh> that is awesome.
2010-11-24 16:57 <zear> because i sometimes dislike that button combos for certain commands
2010-11-24 16:57 <xakh> me too, and I forget them sometimes, since it's quite a bit to remember.
2010-11-24 16:57 <zear> the only drawback is there's no nice way to move diagonally
2010-11-24 16:57 <xakh> by the way, did you notice they started using netsurf on the owrt, like I suggested back in july?
2010-11-24 16:58 <xakh> glad someone convinced em ;)
2010-11-24 16:58 <zear> it used the 4-way button for up/down/left/right and some keys from the default nethack configuration for diagonal movement
2010-11-24 16:58 <xakh> eh, I don't move diagonally much
2010-11-24 16:58 <zear> like uijk or something
2010-11-24 16:58 <xakh> heh
2010-11-24 16:58 <zear> i haven't touched owrt in ages
2010-11-24 16:58 <zear> i mostly just use jlime
2010-11-24 16:58 <zear> and jlime had netsurf since the very beginning
2010-11-24 16:58 <xakh> I still like gmenu, and have no SD, so it's a good option for me
2010-11-24 16:59 <zear> glad someone likes gmenu :D
2010-11-24 16:59 <xakh> yeah, I know, it's where I got the idea from
2010-11-24 16:59 <zear> i only heard bad things about it :D
2010-11-24 16:59 <xakh> they finally fixed some of the keybindings, so it works for me
2010-11-24 16:59 <xakh> like X isn't the okay button
2010-11-24 16:59 <zear> also, they never liked my q p for switching the screens :P
2010-11-24 16:59 <xakh> they switched it to l r
2010-11-24 16:59 <zear> :P
2010-11-24 17:00 <zear> well, i made the original keymapping to mirror the one from gp2x
2010-11-24 17:00 <xakh> well, it made sense
2010-11-24 17:00 <zear> because without it you'd be even more confused by the hints at the bottom
2010-11-24 17:00 <xakh> haha
2010-11-24 17:01 <xakh> the hints are still there
2010-11-24 17:01 <xakh> but to me it kind of feels right, having a hacked together desktop thing
2010-11-24 17:02 <zear> i'm glad qi-hardware + ayla + mth made a fork of gmenu2x and improved it a bit
2010-11-24 17:03 <xakh> there's a fork?
2010-11-24 17:03 <zear> yep, here: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/
2010-11-24 17:03 <zear> i don't know if they preinstall owrt with it now, or they still put the old gmenu2x in ther
2010-11-24 17:03 <zear> e
2010-11-24 17:05 <xakh> it does feel a bit different
2010-11-24 17:05 <xakh> I think they use the forked version
2010-11-24 17:07 <xakh> jlime still using IceW<
2010-11-24 17:07 <xakh> Wm?
2010-11-24 17:08 <zear> no, they were always using matchbox afaik
2010-11-24 17:08 <zear> for the nn, that is
2010-11-24 17:08 <xakh> oh, I thought back in testing iceWM was the one they used
2010-11-24 17:08 <xakh> matchbox is awesome.
2010-11-24 17:08 <xakh> is Jlime a bit more polished than it was back in July?
2010-11-24 17:09 <zear> it should be, yes
2010-11-24 17:09 <zear> it has a dictionary and a wikireader, it's cool :)
2010-11-24 17:09 <xakh> that is pretty neat.
2010-11-24 17:09 <zear> a working mplayer
2010-11-24 17:09 <xakh> I saw abiword on it once, is that still there?
2010-11-24 17:09 <zear> i don't know, i haven't used it that much :)
2010-11-24 17:09 <zear> but it has a HUUUGE database in the package repo
2010-11-24 17:10 <xakh> yay!
2010-11-24 17:10 <zear> not all of the packages were tested though
2010-11-24 17:10 <zear> so some stuff might not work after you download it
2010-11-24 17:10 <xakh> I am more than willing to do that
2010-11-24 17:10 <xakh> :P
2010-11-24 17:10 <zear> and most of the X11 stuff will be too big for 320x240
2010-11-24 17:10 <zear> so abiword should be there, yes
2010-11-24 17:10 <xakh> true, it would be.
2010-11-24 17:10 <zear> i even ported fheroes2 to it, but i don't remember if they added it to the repo or not
2010-11-24 17:11 <xakh> that's just awesome.
2010-11-24 17:11 <zear> don't expect miracles though, most of the stuff wasn't meant for mouseless 320x240 device
2010-11-24 17:12 <zear> the thing nobody knows about jlime though is jlime contains *certain* codecs
2010-11-24 17:13 <xakh> eh, that's ok
2010-11-24 17:13 <zear> like mp3 or video codecs, so qi-hardware can't mention about jlime on their wiki/website
2010-11-24 17:13 <xakh> ahh
2010-11-24 17:13 <xakh> wondered why they didn't talk about it
2010-11-24 17:13 <xakh> what if a fork was made, that removed those and made a different OS?
2010-11-24 17:13 <zear> i believe they are working on such a fork now
2010-11-24 17:14 <xakh> nice
2010-11-24 17:16 <xakh> I didn't expect the nano to be able to do much more than take notes or play Gnuchess when I got it
2010-11-24 17:16 <xakh> I figured I could use it to learn about the terminal
2010-11-24 17:17 <xakh> but hey, it always surprises me, so I'm gonna keep pushing the little thing
2010-11-24 17:17 <zear> about the chess, we've got a nice sdl chess engine for the dingoo recently
2010-11-24 17:17 <xakh> nice.
2010-11-24 17:17 <zear> it could be recompiled in 5sec for the nanonote
2010-11-24 17:17 <zear> if i had a working toolchain, that is :D
2010-11-24 17:17 <zear> it bases on the stockfish engine, which, according to the wiki, is the second strongest chess engine in the world
2010-11-24 17:18 <xakh> haha!
2010-11-24 17:18 <xakh> awesome
2010-11-24 17:18 <zear> once i thought i'm gonna win with the cpu, but it lured me in a tricky trap :D
2010-11-24 17:18 <zear> *into
2010-11-24 17:19 <xakh> just like the nn, it's full of surprises huh??
2010-11-24 17:19 <zear> yep :D
2010-11-24 17:23 <xakh> so, you're working with the Dingoo these days then?
2010-11-24 17:39 <viric> hm
2010-11-24 17:39 <viric> how to tell dropbear not to ask for a password for root?
2010-11-24 17:50 <kristianpaul> viric: just dont set a password for root
2010-11-24 17:51 <kristianpaul> hit enter (as rms said xD )
2010-11-24 17:51 <viric> mm
2010-11-24 17:52 <viric> It works for the console
2010-11-24 17:52 <viric> but not for dropbear...
2010-11-24 17:53 <viric> ah in fact it does not get in by any password
2010-11-24 17:53 <viric> I may have something wrong
2010-11-24 17:54 <zear> viric, it might have an option to never let you log on root via ssh
2010-11-24 17:54 <zear> my freerunner had that by default
2010-11-24 17:55 <viric> hm
2010-11-24 17:55 <viric> ok thank you
2010-11-24 17:55 <zear> check the dropbear config, maybe you can remove that option
2010-11-24 17:57 <viric> I'll try
2010-11-24 18:06 <viric> zear: got it! I had no /etc/shells
2010-11-24 18:06 <zear> ah
2010-11-24 18:07 <viric> now I set a blank password, and dropbear says "user 'root' has blank password, rejected"
2010-11-24 18:08 <viric> setting a "" password works though. It will be enough.
2010-11-24 18:14 <viric> wpwrak: hmm I try sysvinit 'halt', and it also does not power off the nanonote.
2010-11-24 18:14 <viric> There may be a trick somewhere I don't know
2010-11-24 18:18 <wpwrak> did you use -fp ?
2010-11-24 20:33 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: hi good morning :-)
2010-11-24 20:34 <wolfspraul> my openwrt build fails building host/sip-4.10.5/siplib - have you ever seen this?
2010-11-24 20:34 <wolfspraul> the exact error is: /usr/bin/ld: siplib.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `_Py_NoneStruct' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
2010-11-24 20:35 <wolfspraul> the linker fails to link sip.so
2010-11-24 20:43 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: never meet such error.
2010-11-24 20:44 <wolfspraul> ok I'm looking into it. seems to be a dependency of building the python-sip package
2010-11-24 20:49 <wolfspraul> hmm, no :-) python-sip compiles fine... I'll dig more.
2010-11-24 21:37 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove check root permissions http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/eb283a6