2010-11-18 00:14 hehe, antenna fixed ;-) it was a bad solder joint. ant-120B4 now looks like its "good" twin, ant-120A. (both suck, but that's okay) http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/ant120-fixed.png 2010-11-18 00:18 nice work 2010-11-18 00:18 trial and error at its best ;-) 2010-11-18 00:21 I'll add a thumbnail of this pic to the wiki homepage slider - we don't have any representation of antenna work yet, and this one looks nice :-) 2010-11-18 00:22 hmm, so i better find an antenna that actually looks good quickly :) 2010-11-18 00:24 what i'm doing is that i'm making a series of antennas with the size varying in steps of 10% from 90 to 120% of the reference design. i hope there'll be a good one among them, or at least a clear trend where i should look for the right size.. 2010-11-18 00:35 rafa: hmm, how does jlime-pkg like packages for which multiple versions exist ? e.g., man-pages*, matchbox-common*, rxvt, xserver-kdrive-fbdev 2010-11-18 00:38 wpwrak: do you have any tool recommendation off the top of your mind to convert dxf to an 'easily viewable' 2D representation like png/jpeg or so? 2010-11-18 00:39 wolfspraul: http://www.vialibre.org.ar/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guia.dominio.publico.pdf 2010-11-18 00:39 wolfspraul: sorry the link is a spanish document.. 2010-11-18 00:39 wolfspraul: we trust (arg linux peoÃ±ple like wer or me) trust at our politics 2010-11-18 00:39 from fundacion via libre 2010-11-18 00:39 wolfspraul: hmm, qcad should be able to read DXF 2010-11-18 00:40 wolfspraul: they work for free content and free technologies on many areas for the argentine legislation 2010-11-18 00:40 wolfspraul: and it can export to PNG (just looked it up :) 2010-11-18 00:40 wolfspraul: that documents is from beatriz busaniche.. an expert on thos matter 2010-11-18 00:40 s 2010-11-18 00:41 wolfspraul: the document says that we are okey to use public domain stuff without to ask to use it, but it also says that 2010-11-18 00:41 wolfspraul: if we use it for commercial we need to pay something. I am not going to use any stuff of that because I still do not do business with this kind of stuff 2010-11-18 00:42 wolfspraul: just checking to learn a bit about argentina crap laws 2010-11-18 00:42 rafa: just make sure this really applies to you 2010-11-18 00:43 it's so easy to get distracted, scarily easy almost 2010-11-18 00:43 wpwrak: I guess that there is just one version of every package.. and packages with different versions should be called different.. something like vim should be a a package and vim3 should be a vim package of another version. 2010-11-18 00:43 rafa: political idiocy at its finest 2010-11-18 00:43 wpwrak: but i am not sure if that is like I am telling you, maybe i am wrong.. 2010-11-18 00:43 and sometimes we may well be adding more oil into the fire that we claim to want to put out 2010-11-18 00:43 rafa: (packages) the examples above are from the jlime installation for qi-hw 2010-11-18 00:43 wolfspraul: no.. for me is okey.. I do not do any business at all 2010-11-18 00:44 the question is even if you would, who would really come forward, and what the consequences and alternatives would be 2010-11-18 00:44 but even that can be investigated once the situation becomes real 2010-11-18 00:44 no time for this :-) 2010-11-18 00:46 wolfspraul: yes, of course.. but then I could apply the same ideas to use another problematic stuff until some real problem appears.. better if we do not use any of them 2010-11-18 00:46 wolfspraul: that is a real thing (the law or argentina resolution) 2010-11-18 00:46 wolfspraul: we=me.. argentine 2010-11-18 00:46 in argentina 2010-11-18 00:48 wolfspraul: i mean.. sorry, my english right now sucks... another example.. I could do business with mpeg* without pay anything.. until some real problem appears.. Well, no I do not want to do that 2010-11-18 00:48 wolfspraul: and the public domain thing looks similar from beatriz document 2010-11-18 00:48 wolfspraul: I can ask her anyway 2010-11-18 00:49 rafa: raises the interesting question of who would have to pay when you order a device containing public domain material from abroad for your own use 2010-11-18 00:49 my first suspicion would be it's yet another case of engineers reading legal texts :-) 2010-11-18 00:49 wpwrak: no for your own use.. I mean.. if I sell stuff with public domain inside for example 2010-11-18 00:50 which cases was this law meant for? and where and how is it currently enforced? 2010-11-18 00:50 I would focus on that, if I had to... 2010-11-18 00:51 wolfspraul: it looks like a pretty neat concept. they apparently replaced public domain with a transfer of the rights to a state entity. 2010-11-18 00:51 wolfspraul: anyway.. that was (the document about public domain stuff for business in argentina) just a comment.. it does not scare me or something :) ... and like that maybe there are other crap things in the nice argentine lays 2010-11-18 00:51 laws* 2010-11-18 00:51 see that's what I'm saying - we read things into this. but if we are interested, we should be interested in the practical consequences. 2010-11-18 00:51 not in how much we can read into those texts... 2010-11-18 00:52 when you see a device (say the Ben NanoNote), the #1 question is whether you are actually selling the content on it, or the device itself? 2010-11-18 00:52 who determines the 'value percentage'? 2010-11-18 00:52 wolfspraul: it may be a problem for a reseller. not sure if it's a problem for a private importer. 2010-11-18 00:52 maybe 90% is for the physical hardware, 10% for the content it's shipped with? 2010-11-18 00:53 wolfspraul: if I do some business with open source or CC technology we know where to ask for consequences ;) (fundacion via libre).. so I am fine until I need to do business.. and I will ask them :) 2010-11-18 00:53 wolfspraul: the exact figures would be argued over in court for the next few decades :) 2010-11-18 00:53 this is also why it is still questionable whether/how the cc-nc clause is enforceable at all, afaik 2010-11-18 00:53 if you sell a usb stick with 3gb of -nc content on it, what are you selling? 2010-11-18 00:53 the usb stick or the content? 2010-11-18 00:53 and so on 2010-11-18 00:54 me.. tired.. I need to sleep. have a nice day.. cya 2010-11-18 00:54 I'm not paid for this kind of stuff, and not interesed. Lawyers get paid for every sentence they write, so I understand they are chatty :-) 2010-11-18 00:54 yeah :-) 2010-11-18 00:54 that's better! 2010-11-18 00:54 get some new energy 2010-11-18 00:54 :) 2010-11-18 00:55 wolfspraul: you just have to admire the idea - it's a complete perversion of the concept that intellectual property rights eventually expire ! 2010-11-18 00:55 like I said, my first suspicion is we are reading things into it 2010-11-18 00:55 ask someone working in the field what is really applied, and how 2010-11-18 00:56 if human being A has money, human being B will start to develop an interest in that money :-) 2010-11-18 00:57 I'd say those are some super basic 'eternal' laws and patterns... 2010-11-18 01:00 sure. just never heard of anyone going after the public domain by just installing a catchall. that's pretty clever, in a perverted way. 2010-11-18 01:53 kristianpaul: quite strange... 2010-11-18 01:53 kristianpaul: the problem is, i can't reproduce this error anywhere 2010-11-18 01:55 xiangfu: regarding the latest image.. there are several things: 2010-11-18 01:56 1) trigger happy won't build 2010-11-18 01:56 2) the gmenu2x brightness can't be adjusted 2010-11-18 01:56 3) nanoterm is not usable 2010-11-18 01:57 wolfspraul, rafa: the origin of this appropriation of the public domain seems to be the protection of folklore. while, according to google, virtually unknown in the english-speaking world, the concept enjoys some popularity in latin america: http://www.educ.ar/educar/lm/1188223038496/kbee:/educar/content/portal-content/taxonomia-recursos/recurso/a2073f97-25e4-4cf6-b3a8-b390707f1655.recurso/6fd44608-dcbf-4210-974e-3155ec5bdd47/derechos_ 2010-11-18 01:57 de_autor.pdf 2010-11-18 01:57 (lovely URL :) 2010-11-18 02:01 wpwrak: so how is it applied? who pays? who determines how much? which 'public domain' content exactly is affected? 2010-11-18 02:02 maybe if we would make a collection of traditional (public domain) Argentine folklore songs, and publish a CD, there would be some kind of tax on that CD? 2010-11-18 02:02 btw, I could definitely imagine similar legislation elsehwere, there is a lot of debate in some countries about 'culture flat rate' etc. 2010-11-18 02:02 wolfspraul: e.g., things where the copyright has expired. not sure if it would also apply to things that are put into the public domain abroad, e.g. public works in the US. 2010-11-18 02:03 wolfspraul: it does apply to everything they can get their hands on, irrespective of origin 2010-11-18 02:03 and storage media are taxed in many countries now, empty CDs, empty USB sticks, etc. 2010-11-18 02:03 so one could definitely imagine that someone would take the Ben NanoNote because it is a 2GB storage medium 2010-11-18 02:03 s/would take/would tax/ 2010-11-18 02:03 the text i referenced mentions that they're thinking about such things also in europe 2010-11-18 02:04 like I said, taxation for storage media already exists in many countries 2010-11-18 02:04 yeah, it could reproduce radio -> GEZ :) 2010-11-18 02:04 empty CD-Rs are expensive in some countries :-) 2010-11-18 02:04 I'm not sure any of this affects what 'we' (copyleft hardware) should deem 'inclusive' for our hardware 2010-11-18 02:04 (different sort of tax but still weird) 2010-11-18 02:05 I feel pretty good following the wmf, in general 2010-11-18 02:05 there are special taxes for many categories of devices now, in many countries 2010-11-18 02:05 printers are taxed as a 'flat rate copyright' fee, because they are assumed to be printing copyrighted material 2010-11-18 02:06 xerox as well 2010-11-18 02:06 storage media are taxed under 'culture flat rate' regimes, who knows where the money goes :-) 2010-11-18 02:06 (who would have to pay) they mention the importer. not sure if it would apply to everyone in the chain (e.g., if you have importer, distributor, and maybe some public performance) or just the last element. 2010-11-18 02:07 sometimes things are just taxed because there is or was a strong lobby to do so, for example the famous 'video cameras' in Europe, because the (now defunct) European video camera makers were hoping in the 60's it would help them stop the Japanese 2010-11-18 02:07 then when the digital still cameras started to have video features, everybody was wondering whether they would be taxed this nice 20+% or whatever as well 2010-11-18 02:07 then the smartphones 2010-11-18 02:07 etc. etc. 2010-11-18 02:07 yeah, there are plenty of "because we can" taxes and para-taxes in that sector ... 2010-11-18 02:07 I'm not following all of this. 2010-11-18 02:08 I think there is a big difference between that kind of tax and a patent owned by someone like Sisvel. 2010-11-18 02:08 you're not an importer :) 2010-11-18 02:08 massive difference :-) 2010-11-18 02:08 the taxes tend to be less intrusive 2010-11-18 02:08 yes sure, the importer pays the import duties, although selection of the right tax category is a joint duty, I am very well part of that 2010-11-18 02:08 they are applied equally 2010-11-18 02:09 patents can be withheld, and (some) patent owners do not refrain at all from the most draconian measures they can get away with under the law 2010-11-18 02:10 yup. same thing for "regular" copyright. 2010-11-18 02:11 so I don't think any of this type of public domain taxation, culture flat rate, storage capacity taxation etc. influences our decisions or selection of content or software much 2010-11-18 02:11 whereas patent, copyright or trademark infringement would 2010-11-18 02:12 paraguay has an interesting model. there, the "public domain payant" must not cost more than the private royalties. i wonder what that would mean for things under the GPL, CC-BY-SA, etc. would they apply that work's historical record or invent some "standard value" ? well, should be fun for the courts in a few decades. 2010-11-18 02:14 uruguay seems to have the oldest and most draconian model. there, the state basically becomes the author and can actively "defend" the author's rights. 2010-11-18 02:15 well, maybe they'll introduce something similar in germany soonish. after all, there's a lot of nazi material they want to keep locked away, and they presently use copyright for some of that. 2010-11-18 02:19 wpwrak: looking at qcad... how useful do you think it is? 2010-11-18 02:20 where do you see it in the bigger free software toolchain and for what type of work? 2010-11-18 02:20 qcad .. it seems to be the principal free 2D cad 2010-11-18 02:21 i don't particularly like it, though. seems to be very clumsy to use. 2010-11-18 02:22 when i had to do some drawings for my apartment, i tried to do them with qcad. after a day of fumbling, i gave up in frustration and did them with fped. 2010-11-18 02:22 of course, fped has the home advantage in this case ... 2010-11-18 02:23 ah yes, qcad isn't parametric. so change one value and you get to redo everything that depends on it. 2010-11-18 02:24 also, there's a commercial and the free version. the latter lacks some features. (don't remember which) 2010-11-18 02:24 wpwrak not for long anymore 2010-11-18 02:24 I'm wondering which tool roh used to create the DXF files that he then used for laser-cutting the Milkymist One case 2010-11-18 02:24 ahh, there he is :-) 2010-11-18 02:25 there is somebody working on qcad. search for caduntu 2010-11-18 02:25 first step was making it qt4 2010-11-18 02:25 in the .dxf files, I see some references to c:/program files/autocad 2002/ etc. but that may be just there for compatibility... 2010-11-18 02:25 i used qcad in the free version. 2010-11-18 02:25 roh: "not for long" what ? :) 2010-11-18 02:25 what came packages with ubuntu 2010-11-18 02:25 roh: btw, excellent work on that case! 2010-11-18 02:25 wpwrak qt4 is so much better than qt3, alone from the looks 2010-11-18 02:26 I cleaned up one picture a little, included it in the picture slider on the qi homepage, the 12/1 community news, etc. 2010-11-18 02:26 n.p. i was quite tired and just wanted some shots 2010-11-18 02:26 and the light was bad 2010-11-18 02:26 indeed :-) 2010-11-18 02:27 would you be interested to do a bit more work on this? I could pay for the costs. 2010-11-18 02:27 Sebastien said he (or you) wanted to try to make one case with acrylic material. 2010-11-18 02:27 also there is the issue of the microphone 2010-11-18 02:28 and the 3 buttons 2010-11-18 02:28 roh: (qt) okay, but will also something in the functionality of qcad change ? i see better CAM support being mentioned. that's nice ... but we can do that with heekscad, too. 2010-11-18 02:28 if we improve this a little more, maybe we have a good enough case to make 30-40 for our upcoming run 2010-11-18 02:30 acrylic tends to be fairly expensive. but perhaps that doesn't matter so much in this case. 2010-11-18 02:30 I have one question for the current wood case, I can't really tell from the pictures. is the top wood part only lying down on the side walls? or are there screws to hold it down? 2010-11-18 02:30 for cost, this case took 12 minutes on the cutter, that's 12 * 1 EUR = 12 EUR 2010-11-18 02:30 plus material (wood), plus roh's work (priceless :-)) 2010-11-18 02:31 there was also the manual groove-making :) 2010-11-18 02:31 I'm far away from raumfahrtagentur, so I cannot do much more right now than to say this is awesome work, offer some money, and encourage people to continue. 2010-11-18 02:31 when I'm in berlin, maybe I can dive into this myself as well, if raumfahrtagentur would be in Beijing I would be there already now :-) 2010-11-18 02:32 (groove-making) but i'm sure that can be automated with the CNC mill. 2010-11-18 02:32 yes true, that's another thing that could be improved [groove] 2010-11-18 02:34 so roh - what do you think? 2010-11-18 02:34 i think the structure is just a sandwich with long screws pushing the top/bottom plates onto the sidewalls. maybe there are spacers to carry the load, in which case the sidewalls would "float" (more or less) 2010-11-18 02:36 i think that case design is pretty ideal for this sort of board. it has lots of connectors, which makes it hard if not impossible to find a pre-made box of the right size 2010-11-18 02:36 sebastien thinks (if I remember correctly) that the whole thing is not stable enough 2010-11-18 02:37 so that was one big reason why he wanted to try acrylic 2010-11-18 02:37 maybe we can get roh onto this a bit more, like I said I need cases anyway and could pay for the costs etc. 2010-11-18 02:37 how big is the board ? 2010-11-18 02:37 10x15 cm 2010-11-18 02:38 plywood should be okay for something that small 2010-11-18 02:38 but if there are no spacers (yet), then it may be a bit fragile 2010-11-18 02:39 wrong, sorry. 12.5x15cm 2010-11-18 02:39 roh: so, are there spacers ? :) 2010-11-18 02:40 nope. but its intended to fit with 5mm spacers 2010-11-18 02:41 below the pcb 2010-11-18 02:41 none on top ? 2010-11-18 02:42 not yet. one could use these metal spacers with machine screws 2010-11-18 02:43 roh: are you planning any more work on this? 2010-11-18 02:43 not sure what you mean. but spacers come in all sizes, so there ought to be something that fits. just as long as the thread is long enough 2010-11-18 02:44 wolfspraul i could. but i'd need a pcb ;) 2010-11-18 02:47 wpwrak my initial idea was 'spaces and nice imbus-screws which also work as 'feet' 2010-11-18 02:49 roh: yup, that would be nice and tidy 2010-11-18 02:51 roh: if you can't find the right spacers, you could also use a piece of pipe (of whatever material you have around) cut to the right length and terminate it with washers 2010-11-18 02:51 (and a long screw through all this) 2010-11-18 02:55 kyak: hetzner introduced a new virtual root server, going down to 7.90 EUR / month 2010-11-18 02:56 for running an irc server, that should be perfectly fine 2010-11-18 03:03 kyak, about gmenu2x brightness, forget git push. sorry 2010-11-18 03:04 forget to update the package makefile in openwrt-xburst.git 2010-11-18 03:04 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update gmenu2x http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0a2704c 2010-11-18 03:06 wolfspraul i think irc ports were filtered or so at hetzner.. need to check 2010-11-18 03:07 wolfspraul: hey, thanks for information, i remember seeing it last time. Will ask them if the allow IRC 2010-11-18 03:07 xiangfu: np! thanks you 2010-11-18 03:08 kyak: the triggerhappy package error is strange. :( 2010-11-18 03:08 it's upstream already, so we can't fix it right away.. 2010-11-18 03:09 xiangfu: i liked fn-handle :) small and nice, doing it's job 2010-11-18 03:10 kyak :) but it's way too simple :) 2010-11-18 03:10 xiangfu: what use cases for triggerhappy do you have in mind? 2010-11-18 03:10 kyak: my package version is triggerhappy-0.1.3. and md5 is 274807068ffa73166c7024f6334ac45a. maybe we compare the package 2010-11-18 03:11 $ md5sum dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:11 19bc56dfff83e41431af1063f7cda926Â Â dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:11 kyak: we can set some hotkey. 2010-11-18 03:11 xiangfu: you need to rm your triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz -\ 2010-11-18 03:11 kyak: then it's different. 2010-11-18 03:11 the same old problem - updated git commit, nto updated packages version 2010-11-18 03:12 therefore, openwrt won't checkout from git but wil use dl/ 2010-11-18 03:13 xiangfu: i know about the hotkey, what i can't think of any use for it :) 2010-11-18 03:15 kyak: 1. deleteÂ Â dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz , 2, make package/triggerhapply/compile V=99, compile fine.Â Â can you make a diff, this is mine. (just download )http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/tmp/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:15 one sec 2010-11-18 03:17 $ md5sum dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:17 e1e4b403ec594e39dca649ce19b6f230Â Â dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:17 what the hell 2010-11-18 03:17 differenet md5sums every time :) 2010-11-18 03:17 let me nwo get your triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:18 $ md5sum dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gzÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 52b2f58ddb4d543ad3bc4731d284faf1Â Â dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz 2010-11-18 03:18 xiangfu: your pacakge.. 2010-11-18 03:18 same error 2010-11-18 03:19 oh, wait a second.. 2010-11-18 03:21 roh: why would hetzner filter irc ports? I mean I believe you but that sounds crazy to me. 2010-11-18 03:22 xiangfu: not working... i suggest a clean test: 2010-11-18 03:22 rm -rf dl/triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz && make package/triggerhappy/{clean,compile} V=99 2010-11-18 03:23 then if it works for you, we next assumption is missing dependency 2010-11-18 03:23 evtable_KEY.h:244: error: 'KEY_RFKILL' undeclared here (not in a function) 2010-11-18 03:23 this is what i get.. and following errors 2010-11-18 03:30 kyak: oh. look into the triggerhappy makefile there is one line: evtable_%.h: /usr/include/linux/input.h 2010-11-18 03:30 xiangfu: diffing your and mine triggerhappy-0.1.3.tar.gz unpacked, shows nothing 2010-11-18 03:30 we have identical archives 2010-11-18 03:31 kyak: I think there is something different with your HOST input.h and mine. 2010-11-18 03:31 hmmm 2010-11-18 03:31 the evtable_KEY.h is create by HOST head file. 2010-11-18 03:31 why would it want to look into my host input.h? weird 2010-11-18 03:31 maybe i don't even have the lindex-headers.. is it an openwrt dependancy? 2010-11-18 03:32 *linux-headers 2010-11-18 03:32 kyak: I don't think it's an openwrt dependancy. just the wrong path in triggerhappy makefile 2010-11-18 03:33 we should path it to like $(KERNEL_DIR)/usr/include/linux/input.h in openwrt. 2010-11-18 03:33 $ grep KEY_RFKILL /usr/include/linux/input.h 2010-11-18 03:33 #define KEY_RFKILLÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 247Â Â Â Â /* Key that controls all radios */ 2010-11-18 03:33 does your /usr/include/linux/input.h any diferernt from my? 2010-11-18 03:34 you are right.. 2010-11-18 03:34 kyak: there is no KEY_RFKILL in my .../input.h 2010-11-18 03:34 ok.. so what should we do now? 2010-11-18 03:35 kyak: send patch to Mirko and cc to upstream mailing list. 2010-11-18 03:37 xiangfu: ok. thanks! 2010-11-18 03:38 kyak: btw what is your HOST kernel version? 2010-11-18 03:38 Linux bas 2.6.33.7-desktop-2mnb #1 SMP Mon Sep 20 19:00:25 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 2010-11-18 03:39 seems this KEY is only show up after 2.6.33 2010-11-18 03:39 yes. there is no such key in 2.6.32 2010-11-18 03:40 xiangfu: wait a second.. since the change should be done in triggerhappy makefile (not the openwrt makefile) 2010-11-18 03:40 why should i send a patch to Mrko?.. 2010-11-18 03:41 oh ok 2010-11-18 03:41 it would be an openwrt specific patch 2010-11-18 03:41 the one in patches/ 2010-11-18 03:43 kyak: yes. 2010-11-18 04:16 xiangfu: http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21280 2010-11-18 04:16 works for me now.. could you please check? 2010-11-18 04:18 xiangfu: this is an svn diff output in feeds/packages directory 2010-11-18 05:55 kyak: isÂ Â clean debian squeeze installation 2010-11-18 05:55 i also stared over again with openwrtr repo according wiki doc 2010-11-18 05:58 tell me what look for on my system i will give you the information 2010-11-18 05:59 kristianpaul: do you have locales installed in your system? 2010-11-18 05:59 kyak: yes 2010-11-18 06:03 http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21281 2010-11-18 06:03 kristianpaul: can you compile this program? 2010-11-18 06:04 gcc prog.c -o prog && ./prog 2010-11-18 06:04 paul@micro:~$ gcc locale.c -o locale 2010-11-18 06:04 paul@micro:~$ ./locale 2010-11-18 06:04 paul@micro:~$ 2010-11-18 06:04 damn 2010-11-18 06:04 :") 2010-11-18 06:05 do i need en-utf8 locale en my system? 2010-11-18 06:05 s/en/in 2010-11-18 06:06 morning all! 2010-11-18 06:06 morning 2010-11-18 06:06 locale -a |grep en_US.UTF-8 2010-11-18 06:06 kristianpaul: what it says? 2010-11-18 06:06 empty 2010-11-18 06:07 hm 2010-11-18 06:07 setlocale(LC_CTYPE,"en_US.UTF-8") failed! 2010-11-18 06:07 ahh 2010-11-18 06:07 my fault 2010-11-18 06:08 what are your avaialble locales? 2010-11-18 06:08 but i wonder why it compiled bwfore 2010-11-18 06:08 here is where you miss dpkg (dpkg-reconfigure locale) 2010-11-18 06:08 let's install that locale for starters 2010-11-18 06:08 :) 2010-11-18 06:08 kyak: that locale never was in my system before and openwrt compiled ok.. 2010-11-18 06:09 kristianpaul: openwrt now has wide character support 2010-11-18 06:09 i never activate that local, i dont live in the US or english is my native language ;-) 2010-11-18 06:09 kyak: ha !, that changes everything 2010-11-18 06:09 good :=) 2010-11-18 06:10 kristianpaul: just intersting, what locales you have? (locale -a) 2010-11-18 06:10 can i tell use my es_CO.utf8 instead of en_US.utf8? 2010-11-18 06:10 kyak: es_CO.utf8 2010-11-18 06:11 just install those locales 2010-11-18 06:11 i guess this is the reason why uClibc developers used to distribute pregenerated locales 2010-11-18 06:12 so that people won't have to install it into their host systems 2010-11-18 06:12 but the download of pregeranted locales is broken and old 2010-11-18 06:14 i see 2010-11-18 06:14 ok compiling now 2010-11-18 06:42 mirko_: hi! 2010-11-18 06:42 kyak: hey 2010-11-18 06:42 mirko_: triggerhappy won't compile if host's kernel is > 2.6.33 2010-11-18 06:43 i've a patch for it.. 2010-11-18 06:43 http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21280 2010-11-18 06:44 thereis a hardcoded "/usr/include/linux/input.h" in triggerhappy's makefile, as noticed by xiangfu 2010-11-18 06:45 kyak: ui.., ok 2010-11-18 06:46 compield fine for me - thought it was kernel version > 2.6.33 as well 2010-11-18 06:46 (verifying..) 2010-11-18 06:46 mmmm 2010-11-18 06:46 so it's just xiangfu's quess.. he doesn't have KEY_RFKILL in his /usr/include/linux/input.h 2010-11-18 06:47 who's mark tuson btw? .. 2010-11-18 06:48 kyak: will check it later - wanna complete some other tasks before 2010-11-18 06:48 sounds like "mike tyson" 2010-11-18 06:48 ;) 2010-11-18 06:48 mirko_: np, take your time 2010-11-18 06:48 everybody should use what he/she wants - but trying to tell, why you should/have to use this and this and _not_ to use this.. *sigh* :) 2010-11-18 06:52 mirko_: the patch that can be applied cleanly: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/trigger.patch 2010-11-18 06:53 pastebin breaks something 2010-11-18 06:53 kyak: btw - if you're sending patches to the openwrt-dev list, please attach them as file 2010-11-18 06:54 they get screwed up, especially in regard of tabs <-> spaces, newlines, etc. 2010-11-18 06:54 yeah, that's probably what happens 2010-11-18 06:55 tested once again 2010-11-18 06:56 triggerhappy compiles fine with kernel 2.6.35.8 _without_ this patch 2010-11-18 06:57 hm.. 2010-11-18 06:57 will get a shower, be back for a couple of minutes and then need to go (jfyi, when i'm not answering (anymore)) 2010-11-18 06:57 ok! 2010-11-18 06:57 with this patch, however, it builds fine on my machine (2.6.33.7) and also on buildhost 2010-11-18 06:58 so it does no harm :) 2010-11-18 07:00 and it doesn't build on 2.6.33.7 _without_ this patch 2010-11-18 07:08 Hi. 2010-11-18 07:08 Should i buy a notebook or stay with the desktop ? 2010-11-18 07:09 I have no experience with longevity of notebooks. 2010-11-18 07:19 kyak: hi 2010-11-18 07:20 xiangfu: hi 2010-11-18 07:20 we will try to create a package name: triggerhappy-fixed in openwrt-package.git , apply your patch 2010-11-18 07:20 aÃ•?Ã•a 2010-11-18 07:20 this hardcode is definitely a bug. the openwrt package should not read the HOST file 2010-11-18 07:20 xiangfu: i just asked mirko to have a look at that patch (http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/trigger.patch) 2010-11-18 07:21 so maybe we won't have to create additional packages 2010-11-18 07:21 though mirko says that it builds fine on 2.6.35.8 2010-11-18 07:23 kyak: need look into why it's builds fine in Mirko's 2.6.35.8 , but according to this HARDCODE, the patch is good for openwrt. :) 2010-11-18 07:23 xiangfu: i also tested both on my machine and build host with this patch, build fine 2010-11-18 07:25 kyak: in my opinion a better fix would be to use something like `echo "#include " | $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -E - | awk ...` 2010-11-18 07:26 kyak: ok. let's just create a package triggerhappy-fixed, when this patch goto upstream we remove the triggerhappy-fixed. :) 2010-11-18 07:28 larsc: oh! in fact, is a good idea 2010-11-18 07:28 larsc: but then, it should better be fixed upstream in triggerhappy 2010-11-18 07:28 and we don't have to change the openwrt makefile 2010-11-18 07:29 kyak: well, the git rev you have to ;) 2010-11-18 07:29 "Read the white paper: Building an IP Surveillance Camera System with a Low-Cost FPGA" 2010-11-18 07:29 inside the openwrt makefile 2010-11-18 07:29 well, I guess that's where the money is :) 2010-11-18 07:29 need to go 2010-11-18 07:29 mirko_: right.. 2010-11-18 07:30 larsc: great. 2010-11-18 07:31 xiangfu: do i recall correctly that it is a pain to make triggerhappy developers accept a patch? 2010-11-18 07:32 it's very tempting to create just triggerhappy-fixed :) 2010-11-18 07:33 kyak: sorry. what you mean "do I recall correctly " (sorry for bad English) 2010-11-18 07:33 instead of asking both openwrt and triggerhappy developers to do something 2010-11-18 07:34 do i remember it right 2010-11-18 07:34 that you were discussing with wolfspraul about it.. 2010-11-18 07:34 need to go now to univeristy 2010-11-18 07:34 see you later 2010-11-18 07:39 kyak: i just take a look of triggerhappy. it's already go to 0.1.4 2010-11-18 07:39 did they change that hardcoded path? 2010-11-18 07:40 kyak: no 2010-11-18 07:42 xiangfu: then i will prepare the patch for triggerhappy makefile like larsc suggested 2010-11-18 07:43 let's see if they accept it fast 2010-11-18 07:43 kyak: one minor change, use $(CPPFLAGS) instead of $(CFLAGS) 2010-11-18 07:43 afterwards, we will ask someone to update the triggerhappy git revision in openwrt :) 2010-11-18 07:43 wpwrak: (packages) from the examples what you gave me I have two categories: 1) there as you said some packages with different versions. One live under all/ repo dir, and another version under mipsel/ repo dir. I do not know exactly why are them there.. and how to manage that yet. ON this category 2010-11-18 07:44 larsc: thanks for your hints.. i will test it 2010-11-18 07:45 wpwrak: the packages are man-pages, *common*.. I would say that all/ repo dir has packages which you can install on any arch.. in this case our repo is just for mipsel, but OE put those there if these are packaeges wich dont depend of any arch.. (like manpages.. or stuff like *common*). 2010-11-18 07:46 wpwrak: but, I need to learn about why there are some of them with different version and how to manage them. I am not an oe expert anyway :).. Also, under all/ there are few packages..and them are not criticail I would say.. It just have stuff like documentation or maybe icons.. and these are not many packages there either (in comparison with mipsel/ repo dir). Now, the second category: 2010-11-18 07:46 kyak: I already fort the github of triggerhappy. 2010-11-18 07:46 *fork 2010-11-18 07:48 wpwrak: 2) the second category are packages you exactly found :) I created an extra-packages/ repo dir which has few packages which I built with toolchain. I put those packages there to not confuse them with packages built from OE. But then you found that I built rxvt with toolchain and OE already found another rxvt with another version (one live 2010-11-18 07:49 wpwrak: under mipsel/ repo dir and another under extra-packages/). The same happens xserver-kdriver for example. I built another xserver-kdriver version and put that under extra-packages because the version buit by OE had keyboard problems with nn. 2010-11-18 07:50 wpwrak: now.. how to manage them?.. the jlime-pkg is so simple, so it is not smart to choose or decide what to use.. it just find the name of package and whatever version it is it keeps that version to install 2010-11-18 07:51 wpwrak: but again.. these are few cases I would say.. and that will not break anything anyway.. I mean.. most of them are standalone and for the category 1) I would say that these do not have critical packages.. just documentation and stuff like that (and no many packages either) 2010-11-18 07:58 what is that trigger happy? 2010-11-18 07:59 kyak: https://github.com/xiangfu/triggerhappy/commit/307612f57533c7d56cf82a03a34cbcfec9085847 2010-11-18 08:00 a daemon to produce events triggered by keys 2010-11-18 08:00 viric: A lightweight hotkey daemon 2010-11-18 08:00 xiangfu: btw, would be great to fork it as "triggersad" :) 2010-11-18 08:00 rafa: okay. i just wanted to check that jlime-pkg indeed doesn't do anything special about them (explicitly or implicitly). what i'm after is a faster version of jlime-pkg. but i need to understand exactly what it does first. 2010-11-18 08:01 rafa: so i guess it can't hurt to be able to also consider versions. not quite sure how to compare version strings, though. 2010-11-18 08:01 wpwrak: I found another bug or missing feature in jlime-pkg if you are doing some smarter thing :) 2010-11-18 08:01 xiangfu: awesome. id' leave it like that :) have you tested? 2010-11-18 08:01 kyak: tested in my laptop. 2010-11-18 08:01 xiangfu: ah great. I can't find the url of it.. 2010-11-18 08:03 rafa: what would that be ? 2010-11-18 08:04 xiangfu: '$<' should be removed from awks arguments 2010-11-18 08:04 larsc: thanks. 2010-11-18 08:06 wpwrak: the jlime-pkg does not use the "Provides:" field from Packages files.. For example. Package: alsa-utils-locale-ja .. it has an extra "Provides: alsa-utils-locale, ja-translation" field, so if another package to be installed needs "alsa-utils-locale" packages installed 2010-11-18 08:07 wpwrak: some of alsa-utils-locale-* shoulb be installed, or some of them shoulb be installed. 2010-11-18 08:08 wpwrak: no idea how to manage that.. because many packages provides the same.. If some package needs alsa-utils-locale installed and it is not then which version of alsa-utils-locale-* packages jlime-pkg should choose to install ? 2010-11-18 08:09 wpwrak: but, also.. I have not had that problem yet installing packages.. No sure how to test that to find the problem. I tried a couple of them which needs some package which just appears under Provides: but it happened that all my tries were already installed 2010-11-18 08:10 wpwrak: Do you follow me? :).. maybe I need to explain better :P .. I mean.. if you install (on the example above) alsa-utils-locale-ja.. you are installing that package and also the sytem registers that alsa-utils-locale is installed as well. 2010-11-18 08:11 xiangfu: builds fine here with and without $< arguments to awk (dunno what they mean) 2010-11-18 08:12 are "alsa-utils-locale" and "ja-translation" two separate "packages" in this case ? or is "ja-translation" a qualifier of "alsa-utils-locale" ? 2010-11-18 08:14 xiangfu: i think it's good to git poke the author :) 2010-11-18 08:15 wpwrak: no.. those packages dont exist as packages.. those are just virtual names For example.. if you need to be installed alsa-utils-locale you need to install some alsa-utils-locale-*. Any of them provides alsa-utils-locale, but alsa-utils-locale is not a real package on the repo 2010-11-18 08:16 wpwrak: ah no.. you are asking me the relation betweenÂ Â "alsa-utils-locale" and "ja-translation" .. Mmh.. no sure if there is a relation between them 2010-11-18 08:17 rafa: (virtual packages) yes, i understand that part 2010-11-18 08:17 kyak: send out to upstream author. 2010-11-18 08:17