2010-11-15 00:09 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: hey there...
2010-11-15 00:09 <wolfspraul> I committed a small cleanup, but when I did 'git push' I suddenly had two commits I pushed :-)
2010-11-15 00:10 <wolfspraul> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/changes/master/
2010-11-15 00:10 <wolfspraul> did I do something wrong? what is the procedure again we should follow now?
2010-11-15 00:11 <xiangfu> wait. let me check.
2010-11-15 00:19 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2010-November/005979.html
2010-11-15 00:19 <xiangfu> see something under :"Some Advice:"
2010-11-15 00:24 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: oh
2010-11-15 00:24 <wolfspraul> thanks!
2010-11-15 00:24 <wolfspraul> hopefully this time it sinks deep enough into my brain...
2010-11-15 00:24 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: so what is the problem people like me are causing that forget to rebase?
2010-11-15 00:25 <wolfspraul> when do these merge commits cause a problem?
2010-11-15 00:25 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: no.
2010-11-15 00:30 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: with 'no' you mean they don't cause a problem? only cosmetic?
2010-11-15 00:33 <xiangfu> the 'git rebase' advantage is that the history is easier to follow
2010-11-15 00:36 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: also the 'git rebase' will try to rewrite something.
2010-11-15 00:37 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: like there is one commit already into master by another one. (like mirko have modify the /etc/banner)
2010-11-15 00:37 <xiangfu> then you have local change something like that commit. the git rebase will take care of that.
2010-11-15 00:37 <xiangfu> git rebase may remove the same commit.
2010-11-15 00:39 <xiangfu> (I have already change the banner in local). so I use git rebase to remove my local commit.
2010-11-15 00:40 <wolfspraul> ok
2010-11-15 00:40 <wolfspraul> thanks for the explanation
2010-11-15 00:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [config.full_system] group up it a little http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3d875b9
2010-11-15 00:51 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: why do we need the ntfs-3g and mount.ntfs-3g packages?
2010-11-15 00:52 <wolfspraul> are there some dependencies or other interesting things hiding inside those packages? I cannot imagine any real need for ntfs support on the NanoNote.
2010-11-15 00:54 <xiangfu> maybe I just select that without thinking. I can not remember that ntfs* package.
2010-11-15 00:55 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: maybe they are pulled in by dependencies and removing them will cause some problem? if nobody knows any potential use case then we should try removing them, see what happens...
2010-11-15 01:00 <xiangfu> ok
2010-11-15 02:16 <kyak> xiangfu: hi! i noticed, when you update the Makefile of some package, and this package is downloaded from git, you must change both git commit ID and the PKG_VERSION (for example, change the date accordingly).. Otherwise, the..
2010-11-15 02:16 <kyak> ..old version of package from dl/ will used
2010-11-15 02:17 <kyak> this is the case when you updated gmenu2x/makefile just now
2010-11-15 02:20 <wolfspraul> kyak: if you have some ideas for nice icons we should add to the launcher, please let us know.
2010-11-15 02:21 <wolfspraul> icons linking to useful apps :-)
2010-11-15 02:29 <kyak> wolfspraul: the one i could remember is nightsky
2010-11-15 02:31 <wolfspraul> good.
2010-11-15 02:31 <wolfspraul> what other apps are you using on your Nano?
2010-11-15 02:34 <kyak> i can't think about any other gui application.. there are some console apps currently missing from menu - vim, abook
2010-11-15 02:36 <kyak> a file selector for mplayer would be great.. and splitting mplayer pacakge to patented and free is in my TODO list..
2010-11-15 02:42 <kyak> wolfspraul: btw.. kristianpaul had some problem building uClibc with locales on his machine. May i have an account on build host - this would help to test things not only on my local machine
2010-11-15 02:43 <wolfspraul> sure of course. can you email me your public key?
2010-11-15 02:43 <kyak> will do it
2010-11-15 02:44 <wolfspraul> great. thanks for asking! I saw the chat between you and kristian paul yesterday and should have offered the account myself...
2010-11-15 02:44 <kyak> i'm using wolfgang at sharism.cc, right? or is it your malinkg lists only email?
2010-11-15 02:46 <wolfspraul> yes that's good
2010-11-15 02:48 <kyak> wolfspraul: it's sent
2010-11-15 03:02 <wolfspraul> kyak: ok, you can try, kyak and root should work
2010-11-15 03:02 <wolfspraul> kyak: the setup of the server is documented here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup#fidelio.qi-hardware.com
2010-11-15 03:03 <kyak> wolfspraul: worked fine, thank you!
2010-11-15 03:08 <kyak> wolfspraul: btw, pretty 29 EUR/month is pretty cheap for such machine
2010-11-15 03:09 <wolfspraul> yes, hetzner is good
2010-11-15 03:09 <kyak> do they work with private individuals, or organizations only?
2010-11-15 03:17 <wolfspraul> kyak: absolutely everybody.
2010-11-15 03:18 <wolfspraul> I am sure you can use them as well, if you like. the only unfortunate thing is that they are charging German VAT, and because the service is being operated in Germany, they cannot refund/deduct the VAT even if you are outside the EU.
2010-11-15 03:18 <wolfspraul> so you are 'loosing' 19%, but it's unavoidable in this case
2010-11-15 03:19 <kyak> so it 29+VAT
2010-11-15 03:19 <wolfspraul> no it's included in those 29 EUR already
2010-11-15 03:19 <kyak> ah ok..
2010-11-15 03:19 <wolfspraul> hetzner has to give 19% of that to the German tax people
2010-11-15 03:19 <kyak> need to feed them! :")
2010-11-15 03:20 <wolfspraul> theoretically you don't need to pay this since you are outside of the EU, but practically you still do, because the servers are operated in Germany, so they treat it as if you travel to Germany and, for example, buy and eat an icecream there :-)
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> if Hetzner would one day operate servers outside of Germany, or even the EU, their customers outside of the EU would not need to pay those 19%
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> anyway
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> small detail
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> just see it as the 'cost of doing business' with Hetzner
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> it's still 29 EUR / month, charged to your credit card, and done
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> what I like about hetzner is not the price, you easily find cheaper ones
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> what I like is that they are really professional
2010-11-15 03:21 <wolfspraul> their operations are thought through, it's efficient, scalable, and growing
2010-11-15 03:22 <kyak> well ok, so it's +1 for hetzner!
2010-11-15 03:23 <roh> wolfspraul well... i wouldnt say thought through ;) but they do good work for the tiny bit of money they get ;)
2010-11-15 03:23 <wolfspraul> they have very nice online admin, reverse DNS, traffic and uptime control, rescue system, etc.
2010-11-15 03:24 <wolfspraul> roh: fair enough, but you have many years experience in this. so in your bottom line, considering everything, do you know a better hoster?
2010-11-15 03:25 <kyak> i've been looking for some vps to host my private IRC server for a couple of friends.. i know it sounds strange, but i've been keeping it running for years on my home server and no i feel like i want to shift it to some more..
2010-11-15 03:25 <kyak> ..reliable place.. so it won't depend on me. But most VPS providers prohibit IRC, so a gave up
2010-11-15 03:32 <roh> wolfspraul depends for what. they are ok for everybody-use. if you need an sla or want to host your own hardware you will be better off somewhere else.
2010-11-15 03:37 <wolfspraul> roh: what is 'sla'?
2010-11-15 03:42 <roh> service level agreement. only worth something if it has evil penalties
2010-11-15 03:44 <wolfspraul> roh: is om/harald still hosting his own machines at hetzner? or switched to hetzner's hw now?
2010-11-15 03:44 <roh> om never had own hw
2010-11-15 03:44 <roh> afaik. atleast not in germany
2010-11-15 03:45 <roh> and yes, its still there. will change soon, but i hope we can keep it
2010-11-15 04:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add nanonote input.conf.nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/42ae826
2010-11-15 04:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [gmenu2x] update, update version to 2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4cc6ae9
2010-11-15 04:30 <xiangfu> kyak: (PKG_VERSION), oh, yes. thanks. now fixed :)
2010-11-15 04:30 <kyak> kristianpaul: btw, no problems building uClibc with locales on build host.. have you managed to reinstall debian? :)
2010-11-15 04:30 <kyak> xiangfu: np!: )
2010-11-15 04:33 <kyak> xiangfu: oh.. i meant, PKG_VERSION, not PKG_RELEASE
2010-11-15 04:33 <kyak> you see, there is gmenu2x-20101113.tar.gz in dl/ dir
2010-11-15 04:34 <kyak> so it will be taken from dl, not from git
2010-11-15 04:34 <xiangfu> kyak: I remember the release also works fine. let me test now.
2010-11-15 04:35 <kyak> maybe you're right, it would work
2010-11-15 04:35 <kyak> but it's still better to have 20101115 instead of 20101113 :)
2010-11-15 04:38 <xiangfu> kyak: ok. will do that. and the download is depends the PKG_SOURCE.
2010-11-15 04:39 <kyak> ah ok
2010-11-15 04:42 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [gmenu2x] update to 20101115 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c8743e0
2010-11-15 04:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the ntfs package http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/94dd1a9
2010-11-15 04:44 <kyak> i noticed that i had xwrt and luci repos disabled for some reasons
2010-11-15 04:44 <kyak> now that i enabled them, i discovered some interesing packages
2010-11-15 04:44 <kyak> like zoneinfo
2010-11-15 04:48 <wolfspraul> kyak: let us know which ones you think are interesting and we'll add them. Or feel free to add them to config.full_system yourself...
2010-11-15 04:50 <kyak> first need to have a look.. what are they
2010-11-15 08:05 <kristianpaul> kyak: it compiled (openwrt)
2010-11-15 08:05 <kristianpaul> kyak: (debian) still getting the ISO hope got it in the morning
2010-11-15 08:06 <kyak> kristianpaul: so it compiled fine on your machine though it couldn't compile before?
2010-11-15 08:06 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-11-15 08:06 <kristianpaul> after back to the commit you pointed
2010-11-15 08:08 <kyak> ah ok.. let's ee how you fresh installation will work out
2010-11-15 08:08 <kristianpaul> yes let find my nanonote
2010-11-15 08:08 <kyak> fresh debian installation :")
2010-11-15 08:09 <kristianpaul> ah yes wel.. hmm let me get my usb stick and laptop to keep in touch
2010-11-15 08:25 <kristianpaul> kyak: how is build going on fidelio?
2010-11-15 08:27 <kyak> just fine
2010-11-15 09:50 <rafa> wpwrak: I set a proper opkg.conf so opkg-target works okey to install new libraries on toolchain. If you want it just tell me. I am not sure if I should add that as default into toolchain. The problems are the paths.. if user wants the toolchain in a different path than default he should modify that opkg.conf anyway
2010-11-15 10:00 <wpwrak> rafa: sure i want it ! ;-)
2010-11-15 10:03 <wpwrak> rafa: for the path ... there are few ways to handle such things. not sure what would work best in this case:
2010-11-15 10:03 <wpwrak> 1) just pick a "standard" path
2010-11-15 10:03 <wpwrak> 2) make the program(s) in question figure out its own path, then calculate a path relative to this
2010-11-15 10:03 <wpwrak> 3) like 2, but make a wrapper for this purpose
2010-11-15 10:04 <wpwrak> 4) have an installer script that sets the path at installation time
2010-11-15 10:05 <wpwrak> 5) make the paths depend on environment variables, and set them either manually or, if using a script like environment-setup, using method 2, 3, or 4
2010-11-15 10:06 <rafa> wpwrak: about paths: did you see that the toolchain tar.gz has thist path ? :   ./usr/local/jlime-2010.1/..etc.. ?  I do not know yet if that means that toolchain should live from /.. so it would /usr/local/jlime-2010.1/.. etc.. or if we can install it under our homes for example.
2010-11-15 10:06 <rafa> wpwrak: anyway.. here is my opkg.conf :
2010-11-15 10:06 <rafa> wpwrak: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/toolchains/opkg.conf
2010-11-15 10:06 <rafa> wpwrak: and I have that opkg.conf at /usr/local/jlime-2010.1/mipsel/mipsel-linux/etc/
2010-11-15 10:08 <rafa> wpwrak: after that.. you could try :
2010-11-15 10:08 <rafa>  . /usr/local/jlime-2010.1/mipsel/environment-setup
2010-11-15 10:08 <rafa> opkg-target update
2010-11-15 10:08 <wpwrak> Downloading http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/repository/ipk/all/Packages :-)
2010-11-15 10:09 <wpwrak> (paths) it does look suspiciously like root-based paths. at least that's how i interpreted it
2010-11-15 10:10 <wpwrak> interesting: Updated list of available packages in /usr/local/jlime-2010.1/mipsel/mipsel-linux//usr/lib/opkg/lists/all
2010-11-15 10:10 <wpwrak> note the double //
2010-11-15 10:11 <wpwrak> opkg-target shows a gazillion of things :) now let's see what i can install ...
2010-11-15 10:12 <wpwrak> rafa: excellent. works like a charm. thanks a lot !
2010-11-15 10:12 <rafa>  opkg-target install libsdl-1.2-dev
2010-11-15 10:12 <rafa> that will install a lot of packages which libsdl-dev needs :)
2010-11-15 10:12 <wpwrak> Package libsdl-1.2-dev (1.2.14-r3) installed in root is up to date.
2010-11-15 10:13 <wpwrak> seems to think i already have everything in need
2010-11-15 10:13 <wpwrak> s/in/i/
2010-11-15 10:13 <rafa> yep.. it looks like that
2010-11-15 10:14 <wpwrak> what i have installed are just libsdl and libsdl-gfx, though
2010-11-15 10:14 <wpwrak> perhaps libsdl-dev doesn't pull in al the rest
2010-11-15 10:14 <rafa> wpwrak: paths: yep.. somebody should read a bit how to use external toolchains built from OE :D (me perhaps?)
2010-11-15 10:14 <rafa> wpwrak: you can try to remove that libsdl-dev and re install
2010-11-15 10:14 <wpwrak> rafa: thanks for volunteering ! ;-))
2010-11-15 10:15 <wpwrak> intersting. remove/install does pull in the whole collection. so there's a bit of an inconsistency
2010-11-15 10:16 <rafa> wpwrak: well, I just installed libsdl-dev and it installed a lot of -dev packages more
2010-11-15 10:16 <rafa> I do not know how you got the first libsdl-dev installation.. because it does not come with toolchain it seems
2010-11-15 10:16 <wpwrak> whole collection:  alsa-lib-dev alsa-lib libasound2 alsa-conf-base libxext-dev libxext6 ...
2010-11-15 10:17 <wpwrak> i downloaded and installed the first one manually
2010-11-15 10:17 <rafa> well.. libsdl manages audio, sdl on X, sdl on fb, etc... maybe it needs all those headers
2010-11-15 10:19 <wpwrak> maybe some of the packages are just "recommended" and the manuall install skipped those
2010-11-15 10:19 <wpwrak> anyway, if the automatic dependencies work, this shouldn't be a frequent problem
2010-11-15 10:20 <wpwrak> 'cause people will just rely on opkg-target to find and download things for them
2010-11-15 10:21 <wpwrak> hey, this is great ! now jlime has a fully featured host development environment. i thought it would take much longer to get there.
2010-11-15 10:23 <rafa> cool.. I am building kernel and uboot to test :)
2010-11-15 10:29 <rafa> wpwrak: now you just need the SD to test :).. or install it on nand
2010-11-15 10:32 <wpwrak> found one. 1 GB. is that enough ?
2010-11-15 10:33 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: yes
2010-11-15 10:34 <kristianpaul> but if you want wikipedia later try get 2gb
2010-11-15 10:34 <kristianpaul> ;-)
2010-11-15 10:35 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: my bens tend to be relatively immobile ;-) in fact, they're quite naked, too. just the main pcb, with all the rest in a neat pile on the side :)
2010-11-15 10:36 <kristianpaul> jeje i have one ben for that
2010-11-15 10:36 <kristianpaul> the other just on my pocket ;)
2010-11-15 10:36 <kristianpaul> is really handy
2010-11-15 10:36 <kristianpaul> most if you dont havew internet and need an english dicionary :)
2010-11-15 10:38 <wpwrak> heh :)
2010-11-15 10:42 <rafa> wpwrak: so just do an ext2 first partition
2010-11-15 10:42 <rafa> wpwrak: and untar there the jlime image.. after that [M]+power button to boot
2010-11-15 10:43 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: any plans to get jlime with last OE commits?
2010-11-15 10:44 <kristianpaul> sorry
2010-11-15 10:44 <kristianpaul> rafa: ^
2010-11-15 10:44 <rafa> kristianpaul: I guess that wpwrak will like bootstrap image.. just 9MB (or 10) :)
2010-11-15 10:45 <kristianpaul> :D
2010-11-15 10:45 <wpwrak> rafa: i reflash boot loader and kernel as well ? or will it also work with the openwrt ones ?
2010-11-15 10:46 <rafa> wpwrak: it just works with current qi bootloader.. so you just do the work on SD and try
2010-11-15 10:46 <wpwrak> kewl. downloading ...
2010-11-15 10:47 <rafa> wpwrak: bootloader will read the kernel from /boot/ in ext2 first sd partition... THe jlime images have the kernel there
2010-11-15 10:47 <rafa> wpwrak: if something does not work maybe your bootloader is not the current qi uboot
2010-11-15 10:47 <rafa> and you will need to flash a newer
2010-11-15 10:48 <rafa> kristianpaul: btw, last OE commits has patented stuff
2010-11-15 10:48 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-11-15 10:50 <kristianpaul> rafa: i just tought qmake may get compiled in this last version
2010-11-15 10:50 <kristianpaul> now i wonder i just can crosscompile qt apps like wpwrak is doing
2010-11-15 10:51 <rafa> kristianpaul: no sure if qmake works on the nanonote.. I have tried to find some OE recipe to build that.. but I just saw the qmake sdk for i686, no for mips
2010-11-15 10:51 <rafa> el
2010-11-15 10:51 <kristianpaul> :/
2010-11-15 10:52 <kristianpaul> ok lest siwch 100% SIE to sdl gpx?..
2010-11-15 10:52 <rafa> kristianpaul: crosscompile.. if you want to try I can give you the instructions.. We did a new toolchain which seems is working fine
2010-11-15 10:52 <kristianpaul> i think wpwrak will be really usefull :)
2010-11-15 10:52 <kristianpaul> rafa: are thos instruciotns on the jlime wiki?
2010-11-15 10:52 <rafa> kristianpaul: the new toolchain lives on qi-hardware
2010-11-15 10:52 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-11-15 10:52 <rafa> kristianpaul: and I have not written documentation yet
2010-11-15 10:53 <rafa> kristianpaul: because I am not an expert on toolchain. But I have learnt how to install and use basicaly, and how to add libraries and packages to the toolchain
2010-11-15 10:54 <kristianpaul> never tried openwrt SDK?
2010-11-15 10:54 <kristianpaul> librairies <- thats sound hard?
2010-11-15 10:55 <rafa> kristianpaul: I mean.. I know how to use toolchain.. That I did not know is how to install/use the toolchain built from OE. BTW, the new toolchain is the proper one built from OE. The previous one, which you tried was not built properly for external use.
2010-11-15 10:55 <rafa> kristianpaul: add libraries is on your pc something like : opkg-target install libsdl-dev ;)
2010-11-15 10:55 <rafa> kristianpaul: i would not say that it is hard :)
2010-11-15 10:56 <kristianpaul> ahh is chrooted !
2010-11-15 10:56 <kristianpaul> coold
2010-11-15 10:56 <kristianpaul> cool
2010-11-15 10:56 <kristianpaul> or at least there is a script to set proper ENV variables?
2010-11-15 10:56 <rafa> well.. it is not chrooted I would say.. it is like toolchains built from OE work I guess
2010-11-15 10:57 <wpwrak> untarring ...
2010-11-15 10:57 <kristianpaul> k
2010-11-15 10:58 <kristianpaul> damn my debian installion hungup..
2010-11-15 10:59 <kristianpaul> hope is not a harddisk issue :/
2010-11-15 11:31 <wpwrak> booting .. let's see what happens
2010-11-15 11:34 <wpwrak> hmm. no output on idbg and no response to ssh :-( is this normal ?
2010-11-15 11:34 <wpwrak> last message was: turn off boot console early0
2010-11-15 11:34 <wpwrak> kernel said  Linux version 2.6.34-ben (rafa@nodo3) [...] so this looks good
2010-11-15 11:34 <rafa> wpwrak: output idbg is okey.. kernel config.. for ssh you need to set the proper. You usb pc ip shoul be
2010-11-15 11:34 <rafa> 192.168.1.200
2010-11-15 11:34 <rafa> nn is 192.168.1.202
2010-11-15 11:35 <wpwrak> ah, you move it ;-)
2010-11-15 11:36 <rafa> wpwrak: nn also has as default router 192.168.1.200.. so if you use another ip on your usb pc you should set the proper default route in nn.
2010-11-15 11:36 <rafa> wpwrak: password of root.. let me remember.. :) "root"
2010-11-15 11:37 <wpwrak> hmm, i  see the ben on lsusb, but still can't reach it. odd.
2010-11-15 11:37 <kristianpaul> plug again
2010-11-15 11:38 <kristianpaul> somethimes happens to me
2010-11-15 11:38 <rafa> wpwrak: btw.. if you install the image with GUI it should have libsdl already.. no libsdl-gfx I think.. And other tips that I need to write on future jlime wiki for qi version:
2010-11-15 11:38 <rafa> wpwrak: for installation of new packages:
2010-11-15 11:38 <rafa> jlime-pkg update
2010-11-15 11:38 <rafa> jlime-pkg install libsdl-gfx0
2010-11-15 11:39 <rafa> (it is just an example of course)
2010-11-15 11:39 <wpwrak> ah, now it worked. i had a 192.168.1.0 on eth0 too
2010-11-15 11:39 <wpwrak> kewl. logged in ;-)
2010-11-15 11:41 <wpwrak> btw, for the prompt, why not PS1='\w\$ ' ? that gives you a nice '~# ' by default. doesn't get much shorter :)
2010-11-15 11:41 <wpwrak> btw2, turning off the serial console is vicious :)
2010-11-15 11:42 <rafa> serial console.. it is there for a long time and I have never changed that.. well, I changed when i tested my idbg.. but then I never put that change on final kernel uploaded (I forgot)
2010-11-15 11:43 <wpwrak> now .. which of my little devices did i lose by giving 192.168.1 to the ben ....
2010-11-15 11:43 <wpwrak> ... ah, re-installation of my wireless routers. okay, that's tolerable.
2010-11-15 11:44 <wpwrak> we need more idbg users :)
2010-11-15 11:44 <rafa> prompt: the prompt has an error.. but well, there are a lot more.. it is just a huge set of ideas on top of some rootfs from OE :)
2010-11-15 11:44 <rafa> idbg users: there are not more because I did not write the how to install yet.. or you or wolfgang
2010-11-15 11:45 <wpwrak> bah. it's not that difficult :)
2010-11-15 11:45 <wpwrak> i figured it out on the first try, too :)
2010-11-15 11:46 <wpwrak> does it make sense to use different IP addresses for OpenWRT and Jlime ?
2010-11-15 11:47 <kristianpaul> NO
2010-11-15 11:47 <kristianpaul> rafa: why not just a ip in same range?
2010-11-15 11:47 <wpwrak> that's pretty much what i thought too, including the capitalization ;-)
2010-11-15 11:48 <rafa> kristianpaul: well, I used a similar ip as openmoko used.. so I continued the chain..
2010-11-15 11:48 <rafa> :)
2010-11-15 11:48 <kristianpaul> :/
2010-11-15 11:48 <kristianpaul> just change it to the openmoko aswell, problem solved !
2010-11-15 11:48 <rafa> kristianpaul: wpwrak : and I am just kidding.. I would like to be compatible.. but I did it like a hobby.. IT IS REALLY HARD TO KNOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF OPENWRT
2010-11-15 11:49 <rafa> ip/partitions/bootloaders/etc.. all change a lot.. Well, no ip.. but the rest do not look so static
2010-11-15 11:49 <rafa> to be considered as default to immitate
2010-11-15 11:50 <kristianpaul> yes this talk is about IP's no more, and since i remenber thats like a default since years ago
2010-11-15 11:50 <rafa> kristianpaul: openmoko was before
2010-11-15 11:50 <rafa> :D
2010-11-15 11:50 <kristianpaul> no i meant openwrt
2010-11-15 11:51 <rafa> well, I continued the chain.. openwrt did not
2010-11-15 11:51 <kristianpaul> any way..
2010-11-15 11:51 <rafa> kristianpaul: hey hey. .kidding.. btw. the current jlime ip is not in openmoko anymore either.. it is just similar, but no the same range
2010-11-15 11:52 <kristianpaul> well, so are you going to change it to same range like in openwrt ben?
2010-11-15 11:52 <kristianpaul> please :D
2010-11-15 11:53 <rafa> kristianpaul: I am not going to do much for this thing.. sorry. No time
2010-11-15 11:53 <wpwrak> i think it would be beneficial. that way, people can use the same names/scripts, etc.
2010-11-15 11:53 <kristianpaul> np
2010-11-15 11:53 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: scripts <- yeah really helpfull
2010-11-15 11:53 <rafa> kristianpaul: we can convice other jlime devs to support some version for qi as well.. no idea if they would like to work with that "patent" thing
2010-11-15 11:53 <kristianpaul> but is just an IP..
2010-11-15 11:53 <wpwrak> also reduces support overhead ;-)
2010-11-15 11:54 <wpwrak> rafa: the patent thing is something pretty much all distributions have to face in one way or another ...
2010-11-15 11:54 <rafa> kristianpaul: if you mean, to put an ip to the version recetly uploaded to qi .. then I can change that.. no much effort needed.
2010-11-15 11:54 <wpwrak> rafa: besides, it can't hurt to make people more aware of where patents are interfering with their life
2010-11-15 11:55 <wpwrak> rafa: and at the same time, steer them away from such stuff, this reducing the value of those patents
2010-11-15 11:55 <wpwrak> rafa: kick the patent owners where it hurts them :)
2010-11-15 11:56 <wpwrak> rafa: (the IP) where does it come from ? i would imagine it's some ben-specific package somewhere in OE, no ?
2010-11-15 11:56 <rafa> wpwrak: yes, of course. And I like the idea. BUt no sure if other devs wants to work on that. Remember that is is just a hobby for all. We are few and do some linux distros for Jornadas, and some hacks. No much more
2010-11-15 11:56 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: is an script in /etc/mufi..
2010-11-15 11:57 <rafa> wpwrak: the ip is set in a start script wiht ifconfi, that script does a lot of settings. Let me point you it..
2010-11-15 11:58 <wpwrak> killall: Input/output error ... interesting :)
2010-11-15 11:58 <rafa> wpwrak:  /etc/muffinman-extras/final.sh that script does everything
2010-11-15 11:59 <wpwrak> ah .. the killall ... of course. it's because i'm trying to talk to the uSD slot :)
2010-11-15 11:59 <wpwrak> hmm. next stop: nand install :)
2010-11-15 12:00 <rafa> wpwrak: did you try your sdl thing?
2010-11-15 12:00 <kristianpaul> stop?
2010-11-15 12:01 <kristianpaul> he cant
2010-11-15 12:01 <wpwrak> rafa: yes, and it killed my uSD. which is of course what it should do, in a way ;-)
2010-11-15 12:01 <rafa> kristianpaul: :)
2010-11-15 12:02 <rafa> wpwrak: maybe you would like to install bootstrap on nand.. so it is faster
2010-11-15 12:02 <wpwrak> but it started. that's good. the ben in question has no display attached, so i couldn't see it work anyway. last time i tried to attach a display, it didn't work. so there may be some hardware problem, too.
2010-11-15 12:03 <rafa> xhost +
2010-11-15 12:03 <rafa> ?
2010-11-15 12:04 <rafa> lunch time
2010-11-15 12:04 <wpwrak> ah, SDL works over the network ?
2010-11-15 12:04 <kristianpaul> same question
2010-11-15 12:05 <rafa> sdl can work on X.. so if you export the DISPLAY and tell sdl to use x11
2010-11-15 12:05 <rafa> then that would work perhaps
2010-11-15 12:07 <wpwrak> kewl. that's nice.
2010-11-15 12:07 <kristianpaul> indeed
2010-11-15 12:07 <wpwrak> (nand) i'll have to host the whole system there. the application is for wpan, so i need the uSD slot.
2010-11-15 12:08 <wpwrak> but that can wait a bit. for now, i'm happy to know that things work in general. now i need to get back to that damn antenna tuning ...
2010-11-15 12:10 <wpwrak> it's amazingly difficult to extract that one number i'm looking for from a sample of 1 M complex numbers ...
2010-11-15 12:11 <kristianpaul> damn my cdrom unit is fuck3d up
2010-11-15 12:11 <kristianpaul> :(
2010-11-15 12:11 <rafa> :(
2010-11-15 12:19 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the useless PKG_INSTALL http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/7070616
2010-11-15 12:24 <kyak> xiangfu: what happened?
2010-11-15 12:24 <wpwrak> rafa: jlime-pkg update  says it only understands "install" and "search"
2010-11-15 12:25 <kyak> xiangfu: git pull in openwrt-packages complains about a number of unmerged changes.
2010-11-15 12:26 <kyak> xiangfu: why you removed the PKG_INSTALL? some packages use PKG_INSTALL_DIR
2010-11-15 12:26 <kyak> not PKG_BUILD_DIR
2010-11-15 12:26 <wpwrak> "Shrinking packages DB" hmm, sounds like a potential optimization to do this before making the rootfs snapshot
2010-11-15 12:27 <wpwrak> (sounds like ...) that is, without me knowing what exactly goes on there :)
2010-11-15 12:27 <xiangfu> kyak: hmm... is there any relation between PKG_INTALL and PKG_INSTALL_DIR??
2010-11-15 12:27 <kyak> PKG_INSTALL instructs the build system to run make install
2010-11-15 12:27 <kyak> then the installed files are in PKG_INSTALL_DIR
2010-11-15 12:28 <kyak> and some packages rely on that
2010-11-15 12:28 <kyak> and it is usually better than just copying files from PKG_BUILD_DIR
2010-11-15 12:28 <xiangfu> kyak: ok. I just found it at include/package.mk:201.
2010-11-15 12:29 <kyak> xiangfu: you should run build now and see how it fails :)
2010-11-15 12:29 <xiangfu> I have try to search the document in openwrt. can not found the PKG_INSTALL. then grep. then I think I skip some info. will revert my commit. thanks kyak
2010-11-15 12:29 <kyak> and i wonder what happened to git.. it gone crazy
2010-11-15 12:31 <kyak> $ grep -R "PKG_INSTALL:=1" feeds/*/*/*/Makefile | wc -l
2010-11-15 12:31 <kyak> 323
2010-11-15 12:31 <kyak> used a lot
2010-11-15 12:31 <xiangfu> kyak: try git pull -r first.
2010-11-15 12:31 <xiangfu> kyak: my fault.
2010-11-15 12:31 <kyak> xiangfu: git pull -r shows lines like:
2010-11-15 12:31 <kyak> M       zimreader/Makefile
2010-11-15 12:32 <kyak> Pull is not possible because you have unmerged files.
2010-11-15 12:32 <kyak> xiangfu: i haven't finished the git reference yeat :)
2010-11-15 12:34 <xiangfu> kyak: if you don't have local commit. try 'git pull origin master:master -f"
2010-11-15 12:35 <kyak> i have some local changes, they are not commited
2010-11-15 12:38 <xiangfu> kyak: ok. I remember if this is a merge , git will goto a temp branch. which branch you current on ?
2010-11-15 12:39 <kyak> on master
2010-11-15 12:40 <xiangfu> kyak: 1. check the 'git diff' see if there is something you still need.
2010-11-15 12:40 <xiangfu> 2. if don't , just "git co -f"
2010-11-15 12:41 <xiangfu> 3. git fetch origin
2010-11-15 12:41 <xiangfu> 4. git rebase -i origin/master  , paste the result. :)
2010-11-15 12:45 <kyak> xiangfu: ok... seem to have it fixed
2010-11-15 12:46 <kyak> xiangfu: i branched from master, then i git pull origin master:master -f and git reset --hard
2010-11-15 12:46 <kyak> (in master)
2010-11-15 12:46 <kyak> no i will checkout to the branch, commit my changes there and merge it to master
2010-11-15 12:47 <kyak> this is what my poor git knowledge says to me
2010-11-15 12:47 <xiangfu> kyak: it's good. :)  always many solution :)
2010-11-15 12:48 <kyak> oh, and the bad new is that.... when i created branch all changes in working directory have not got there -\
2010-11-15 12:49 <xiangfu> kyak: you can use 'git stash' save the local change. then 'git stash pop' can apply them again.
2010-11-15 12:51 <kyak> xiangfu: ah, nice hint!
2010-11-15 12:51 <kyak> ok, it is restored now
2010-11-15 12:51 <kyak> xiangfu: why did that happen?
2010-11-15 12:52 <kyak> it seems that git failed to diff gmenu2x/Makefile
2010-11-15 12:54 <xiangfu> kyak: sorry. I can understand. which command you run when you try to diff gmen2x/Makefile??
2010-11-15 12:54 <kyak> first, i did git pull, as usual... but git complained that it can't merge gmenu2x/Makefile
2010-11-15 12:54 <kyak> i edited gmenu2x/Makefile to resolve the conflict
2010-11-15 12:55 <kyak> (btw, i didn't change gmenu2x/Makefile before i git pull)
2010-11-15 12:55 <kyak> then i git pull again, and there are these files...
2010-11-15 12:55 <kyak> a lot of them
2010-11-15 12:59 <xiangfu> kyak: after you resolve the conflict. did you run "git add gmenu2x/Makefile"?
2010-11-15 12:59 <xiangfu> when you do git pull again. what 'files' do you mean?
2010-11-15 13:00 <xiangfu> kyak: after resolve a conflict, I think we should run "git merge --continue"
2010-11-15 13:00 <kyak> xiangfu: no i didn't run it...
2010-11-15 13:00 <kyak> xiangfu: all the Makefiles without PKG_INSTALL
2010-11-15 13:00 <kyak> popped up
2010-11-15 13:00 <kyak> in git status
2010-11-15 13:01 <kyak> ok, i'll remember it for future
2010-11-15 13:01 <xiangfu> usually, 1. git pull, 2. resolve conflict, 3. git add the file. 4. git merge --continue
2010-11-15 13:02 <kyak> xiangfu: ok, thanks!
2010-11-15 13:03 <xiangfu> kyak: I think we can do this. 1. rename you local master branch to temp, 2. git fetch origin 3. git co --track -b master origin/maser 4. cherry-pick  commit from temp. then git push again.
2010-11-15 13:04 <xiangfu> kyak: I am really sorry I delete that 'PKG_IINSTALL' commit. not using "git revert" . sorry. that's why make your git confure. :(
2010-11-15 13:05 <xiangfu> s/confure/mess up/
2010-11-15 13:05 <kyak> xiangfu: that's what i thought i could do, but i didn't save my local changes before a branched :)
2010-11-15 13:05 <kyak> xiangfu: it's ok, now it is all restored as i said
2010-11-15 13:05 <xiangfu> kyak: just commit it.
2010-11-15 13:05 <xiangfu> kyak: oh. ok.
2010-11-15 13:05 <kyak> that changes were very few
2010-11-15 13:05 <kyak> i added "workdir" to ash-rus gmenu item
2010-11-15 13:05 <xiangfu> kyak: what is use for?
2010-11-15 13:06 <xiangfu> kyak: I am plan to add as much as possible gmenu2x items.
2010-11-15 13:06 <kyak> it would chdir() before starting ash..
2010-11-15 13:06 <xiangfu> :)
2010-11-15 13:06 <kyak> so the ash would start in ~
2010-11-15 13:06 <kyak> i thought it's more convenient
2010-11-15 13:07 <xiangfu> kyak: is your git ok now?
2010-11-15 13:07 <kyak> yes, it's totally fine
2010-11-15 13:07 <xiangfu> kyak:ok, I need goto sleep. 2AM  here. see you.
2010-11-15 13:07 <kyak> night!
2010-11-15 13:58 <rafa> wpwrak: sorry.. maybe I forgot to add the last jlime-pkg.. which image you installed?
2010-11-15 13:59 <rafa> (bootstrap or full GUI)?
2010-11-15 14:23 <rafa> wpwrak: yes, I think that I forgot to add the last jlime-pkg on bootstrap :( If that is the case please download the last jlime-pkg from : http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/misc/jlime-pkg  and use it please (you can replace the one under /usr/bin)
2010-11-15 14:24 <viric> :b1
2010-11-15 14:24 <viric> oops
2010-11-15 14:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Jiri Brozovsky: Updated to current version. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2828400
2010-11-15 14:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Jiri Brozovsky: Updated to current version. Now can create PDF tiles with "mandoc -Tpdf" http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c27b445
2010-11-15 14:43 <kristianpaul> ha debian german repo finally saved my day
2010-11-15 14:44 <rafa> kristianpaul: haha :)
2010-11-15 14:44 <rafa> kristianpaul: what happened?
2010-11-15 14:46 <kristianpaul> rafa: seems US repo have an old key ring for the repo wich my squeeze installer was rejecting
2010-11-15 14:46 <kristianpaul> or viceversa ;-)
2010-11-15 14:46 <kristianpaul> at least is installing now :)
2010-11-15 14:47 <rafa> great
2010-11-15 14:47 <kristianpaul> damn all this because broken autools :S
2010-11-15 14:49 <kristianpaul> since now all chrooted or in /opt
2010-11-15 14:49 <kristianpaul> no more system breaks i hope
2010-11-15 14:54 <wpwrak> rafa: i have Jlime-muffinman-image-2010.1-ben-nanonote.rootfs_READY_beta4_01nov2010.tar (~80 MB)
2010-11-15 14:55 <wpwrak> rafa: hmm, jlime-pkg install is still "Shrinking packages DB". it's been doing this for about 2 hours now.
2010-11-15 14:56 <wpwrak> rafa: there's no CPU activity but i see a sed -n /^Package/p;/^Filename/p; ...
2010-11-15 14:56 <wpwrak> hah. ^D ->  - the package does not exist.
2010-11-15 14:56 <wpwrak> let's see if the new jlime-pkg is better
2010-11-15 14:57 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: didyou ran opkg update before?
2010-11-15 14:57 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: ah, no. let's see.
2010-11-15 14:58 <wpwrak> tha's better. thanks !
2010-11-15 14:58 <wpwrak> intersting. no package "file". hmm ... let's see where it is hiding ..
2010-11-15 15:00 <wpwrak> hm... no file ? don't see it with jlime-pkg list either
2010-11-15 15:00 <wpwrak> err, i mean  jlime-pkg search
2010-11-15 15:00 <kristianpaul> btw how long take opkg update to run?
2010-11-15 15:01 <kristianpaul> i wonder you said thanks too fast
2010-11-15 15:01 <wpwrak> it was very quick
2010-11-15 15:01 <kristianpaul> not normal
2010-11-15 15:01 <wpwrak> ./jlime-pkg search 'e' | wc -l -> 990
2010-11-15 15:02 <wpwrak> jlime-pkg update-> 11.2 seconds
2010-11-15 15:04 <wpwrak> no "file", no "psmisc". hmm.
2010-11-15 15:05 <wpwrak> no strace :-((
2010-11-15 15:06 <wpwrak> is it normal for jlime-pkg to exit with exit code 1 ? http://pastebin.ca/1992527
2010-11-15 15:06 <kristianpaul> nope
2010-11-15 15:06 <wpwrak> there are no complaints. i only noticed because "time" mentions it
2010-11-15 15:07 <kristianpaul> but jlime-pkg update i never eevn tried to run
2010-11-15 15:07 <wpwrak> it seems to do something
2010-11-15 15:08 <wpwrak> it runs for 11 seconds and some steps take longer than others. so this suggests real activity.
2010-11-15 15:09 <kristianpaul> wait i min
2010-11-15 15:10 <kristianpaul> rafa: jlime repo is ok, no more 403 errors?
2010-11-15 15:10 <kristianpaul> ah but you're using qi repos wpwrak ?
2010-11-15 15:14 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: it seems to use only the jlime.com repo. probably because the rootfs is from http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/muffinman/
2010-11-15 15:18 <kristianpaul> oh np seems server is okay
2010-11-15 16:14 <kristianpaul> hmm what happen if i ignore complex data for now..
2010-11-15 16:14 <kristianpaul> no better just separate it from raw data
2010-11-15 16:15 <wpwrak> struggling with the math ?
2010-11-15 16:15 <kristianpaul> and format it to fit schar especification
2010-11-15 16:15 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: yup
2010-11-15 16:16 <wpwrak> sounds familiar :-( still trying to get that darn FFT to produce usable results
2010-11-15 16:17 <kristianpaul> you have more issues than mean, at least -1 +1 is easier to handle comparted with 16bits data..
2010-11-15 16:17 <kristianpaul> i think*
2010-11-15 16:17 <kristianpaul> (-1, +1) because just 2 bit resolution adc from sige chip
2010-11-15 16:18 <wpwrak> not sure. isn't the -1/0/+1 just the same but at a higher rate ?
2010-11-15 16:18 <rafa> wpwrak: kristianpaul : jlime-pkg in full jlime and jlime for qi are a little different.. the same thing but just a little different anyway
2010-11-15 16:18 <kristianpaul> in fact it is
2010-11-15 16:18 <kristianpaul> rafa: why?
2010-11-15 16:19 <rafa> wpwrak: strace is in its package.. and it uses bash ;) .. so you need to install both
2010-11-15 16:19 <kristianpaul> rafa: is not tyhe BIG keep patent stuff away just in the repo ?
2010-11-15 16:19 <rafa> kristianpaul: because jlime-pkg is a workaround to avoid opkg.. full jlime image is already two weeks old perhaps... jlime for qi is two days old
2010-11-15 16:19 <wpwrak> rafa: bash:  - the package does not exist.
2010-11-15 16:20 <rafa> kristianpaul: no.. the patent thing was worked in the images as well
2010-11-15 16:20 <rafa> kristianpaul: so images are not the same with jlime.com
2010-11-15 16:20 <kristianpaul> ah
2010-11-15 16:20 <rafa> wpwrak: mmmh?.. that is imposible! :)
2010-11-15 16:20 <rafa> (bash)
2010-11-15 16:20 <kristianpaul> rafa: wait a min when you said tow days old from upstream?
2010-11-15 16:20 <wpwrak> jlime-pkg search bash
2010-11-15 16:20 <wpwrak> Looking bash... (wait a while)
2010-11-15 16:20 <kristianpaul> and wich upstream?
2010-11-15 16:20 <wpwrak> Jlime$
2010-11-15 16:20 <kristianpaul> oE?
2010-11-15 16:20 <kristianpaul> OE*
2010-11-15 16:21 <rafa> kristianpaul: no, I should write a bit of info.. too many stuff confussing :(
2010-11-15 16:21 <rafa> sorry
2010-11-15 16:21 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-11-15 16:21 <wpwrak> how long is a   jlime-pkg update  supposed to take ? are ~11 seconds reasonable ?
2010-11-15 16:21 <rafa> kristianpaul: it is not released yet.. just wpwrak is faster than devs
2010-11-15 16:21 <kristianpaul> rafa: ahh ;-)
2010-11-15 16:21 <rafa> wpwrak: let me check with my nn
2010-11-15 16:22 <rafa> wpwrak: 11 sec looks okey.. maybe a little more.. but the time sounds good
2010-11-15 16:22 <kristianpaul> yeah you said 15 sec was the good time before
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> wpwrak:
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> Jlime$ jlime-pkg install bash
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> Getting installed packages list... (wait a while)
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> Shrinking packages DB... (wait a while, around 30 seconds)
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> Package: bash
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> Getting dependences :
2010-11-15 16:23 <rafa> so it is there.. (bash)
2010-11-15 16:24 <rafa> wpwrak: can you show me  /etc/opkg/opkg.conf ?
2010-11-15 16:24 <wpwrak> hmm. here i get   - the package does not exist.  right after  Shrinking packages DB... (wait a while, around 30 seconds)
2010-11-15 16:25 <rafa> wpwrak: wait a moment :)
2010-11-15 16:25 <wpwrak> http://pastebin.ca/1992618
2010-11-15 16:25 <rafa> wpwrak: i am faster than you :)
2010-11-15 16:26 <rafa> wpwrak: well, no.. I mean. I uploaded new files : http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/images/
2010-11-15 16:26 <rafa> two days ago
2010-11-15 16:26 <wpwrak> hands the title of "Fastest Mouse in all of Argentina" back to rafa
2010-11-15 16:26 <rafa> wpwrak: and you downloaded old files
2010-11-15 16:26 <rafa> (old images)
2010-11-15 16:26 <wpwrak> aha !
2010-11-15 16:27 <rafa> that explain a lot of things
2010-11-15 16:27 <rafa> :)
2010-11-15 16:27 <kristianpaul> ha
2010-11-15 16:27 <rafa> (for me)
2010-11-15 16:27 <wpwrak> indeed .. i just followed jlime.com
2010-11-15 16:27 <wpwrak> now i also understand the :bootstrap" reference :)
2010-11-15 16:28 <rafa> wpwrak: no no.. I uploaded all the files to qi.. because we need all of them in both parts.. The images at jlime.com has a lot of problematic stuff (problematic=patents..etc..)
2010-11-15 16:29 <rafa> wpwrak: so images are different.. the ones at qi are okey to work from this side :)
2010-11-15 16:29 <wpwrak> yeah, right. not sure why to went there in the first place. must be the alzheimer, sorry ...
2010-11-15 16:30 <wpwrak> downloading now ... meanwhile, i'll take a shower ...
2010-11-15 16:45 <wpwrak> back. downloads complete ...
2010-11-15 16:48 <wpwrak> (i also got the nand image, just in case)
2010-11-15 16:54 <wpwrak> wolfgang: (why ash is not preferable over bash as an interactive shell if you have the choice) touch $HOME/foo; cat ~/fo<Tab> (file name completion. doesn't work.) neither does  cat $HOME/fo<Tab>   with bash, both work
2010-11-15 17:50 <wpwrak> *hmm* with the jlime image from qi-hw: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.202 port 22: Connection refused
2010-11-15 17:51 <wpwrak> oh .. now. took about a minute. odd.
2010-11-15 17:53 <wpwrak> jlime-pkg update now take a lot longer. good :)
2010-11-15 17:56 <rafa> wpwrak: and repo should have strace and bash
2010-11-15 17:56 <wpwrak> and the installation of psmisc succeeded. excellent !
2010-11-15 17:56 <rafa> wpwrak: and gdb if you want something like that
2010-11-15 17:56 <wpwrak> the "shrinking package DB" each time you install is a bit annoying. that's your shell script, right ?
2010-11-15 17:57 <rafa> wpwrak: yes, one little update would be to do that just once and to use it for ever.. but well, that script could be re written now that I know that it works :9
2010-11-15 17:57 <rafa> :)
2010-11-15 17:58 <rafa> wpwrak: it was just a workaround for the two bad boys bugs in opkg
2010-11-15 18:02 <wpwrak> one could probably make it a lot more efficient by rewriting everything in C :)
2010-11-15 18:02 <wpwrak> urhg. and you have some particularly evil incarnation of vi (busybox, of course)
2010-11-15 18:07 <rafa> wpwrak: vi.. there is vim as well
2010-11-15 18:09 <wpwrak> already installed :)
2010-11-15 18:10 <wpwrak> now .. the "shrinking package db" seems to suffer from a particularly slow sed
2010-11-15 18:11 <wpwrak> let's get a real sed and see how it goes
2010-11-15 18:13 <wpwrak> before: ~20 s. after: ~11 s :)
2010-11-15 18:14 <rafa> ah yes?.. wow!
2010-11-15 18:15 <wpwrak> i also got rid of the cat, but i think that's almost unnoticeable
2010-11-15 18:16 <rafa> wpwrak: real sed:.. is it into which package?
2010-11-15 18:16 <wpwrak> just "sed"
2010-11-15 18:16 <rafa> ah :D.. easy
2010-11-15 18:19 <rafa> I will install sed and psmisc.. I have bootstrap currently
2010-11-15 18:21 <wpwrak> one of these days, i'll adapt myroot. then it'll be very easy to make a custom rootfs.
2010-11-15 18:23 <rafa> busybox awk is for women.. better to install gawk
2010-11-15 18:24 <wpwrak> yup :)
2010-11-15 18:26 <wpwrak> in my opinion, the ben is already outside the range of devices where busybox and friends are a good choice. particularly not for developers.
2010-11-15 18:27 <wpwrak> now, time to do a bit of shopping
2010-11-15 18:29 <kristianpaul> curios
2010-11-15 19:35 <kristianpaul> installing build tools in new install of debian squeeze
2010-11-15 20:43 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: you may want take a look to UHD  http://oz9aec.net/index.php/gnu-radio/gnu-radio-blog/402-the-universal-hardware-driver-uhd-working
2010-11-15 20:43 <kristianpaul> at least to the ascii spectrum analizer ;-)
2010-11-15 20:50 <wpwrak> ah yes, UHD. next construction site ;-)
2010-11-15 20:52 <wpwrak> at least it seems they're rewriting much of the documentation. so now there's good stuff in the UHD world while the pre-UHD world rots in peace. not a great loss, though. there's basically one useful document. the rest is more confusing than helpful.
2010-11-15 20:52 <wpwrak> the real information is in the sources and sometimes on the mailing list
2010-11-15 20:52 <wolfspraul> should I add the GNU Radio blog to the qi hardware planet?
2010-11-15 20:53 <wolfspraul> looks like it might fit, maybe they blog a tad too frequent and about too trivial things, but there seem to still be valuable gems in there...
2010-11-15 20:53 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: oh, there's a blog ? :)
2010-11-15 20:53 <wolfspraul> sure, kristianpaul just linked to it :-)
2010-11-15 20:53 <wolfspraul> http://oz9aec.net/index.php/gnu-radio/gnu-radio-blog
2010-11-15 20:54 <wpwrak> aah. but i don't think this is "the gnuradio blog". that looks like just some guy who does things with gnuradio and has a blog, no ?
2010-11-15 20:54 <kristianpaul> is not gnuradio blog
2010-11-15 20:55 <kristianpaul> there is one?
2010-11-15 20:56 <wolfspraul> could be. should we include it in the planet or not?
2010-11-15 20:56 <wolfspraul> sometimes what I do is if I run into something that is potentially interesting, I add it to the planet. If after some time I realize it doesn't fit, I remove it again (just remember the URL in the wiki).
2010-11-15 20:58 <kristianpaul> well this guy is somr sort of related to gunradio and radio space ham, i dont know how that will be interesting..
2010-11-15 20:58 <kristianpaul> s/somr/some
2010-11-15 20:58 <kristianpaul> s7gunradio7gnuradio
2010-11-15 21:01 <kristianpaul> this loooks like gnu radio blog http://sdrblog.wordpress.com/
2010-11-15 21:01 <kristianpaul> ha gotchat http://www.ettus.com/uhd_docs/manual/html/
2010-11-15 21:02 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: yup. that's the new docs. less complete but a lot more accurate than the wiki ;-)
2010-11-15 21:02 <wpwrak> (or ettus' own sales material, for that matter ;-)
2010-11-15 21:03 <kristianpaul> hehe
2010-11-15 21:03 <wpwrak> of course, UHD is still experimental, so ...
2010-11-15 21:03 <kristianpaul> i just ask my self why they call it universal
2010-11-15 21:04 <kristianpaul> even so  when USRP is not so universal to adquire :-/
2010-11-15 21:04 <wpwrak> "Ben Brosgol (of Adacore) is describing how C and C++ are unsafe [...]" yeah, i thought i'd say that too if i was into ada ;-)))
2010-11-15 21:05 <wpwrak> oh, the usrp can do quite a lot
2010-11-15 21:05 <kristianpaul> sure
2010-11-15 21:05 <wpwrak> the tricky bits are the math and the frontends
2010-11-15 21:06 <kristianpaul> oh god, maths...
2010-11-15 21:06 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-11-15 21:06 <wpwrak> there seems to be an opportunity for an "SDR for dummies" ;-)
2010-11-15 21:08 <wpwrak> what i found so far is really trivial material and then stuff that's very far from any practical considerations. what's missing is something that goes through the various concepts and explains what they actually mean.
2010-11-15 21:08 <wpwrak> sort of an SDR equivalent to "TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. 1", if you know that book
2010-11-15 21:09 <kristianpaul> i dont
2010-11-15 21:09 <wpwrak> well, maybe such an SDR book exists and i just haven't found it yet :)
2010-11-15 21:10 <wpwrak> TCP/IP Illustrated explains Ethernet, IPv4, and TCP in a comprehensible way. so after reading it, you understand what all the fields in an IPv4 packet do, you understand how the TCP windows work, etc.
2010-11-15 21:10 <wpwrak> it doesn't go to the last extremes, but does a very good job at covering what matters in real life