2010-11-03 00:00 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I modify the picture number to "7". checkout  :)
2010-11-03 00:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: Revisions http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/4376de3
2010-11-03 04:00 <kyak> xiangfu: hi
2010-11-03 04:00 <kyak> xiangfu: do you know why in openwrt-xburst git the package directory is so old?
2010-11-03 04:00 <xiangfu> kyak: Hi. I saw your message.
2010-11-03 04:00 <kyak> there are 7 months old files
2010-11-03 04:00 <kyak> fo examples, there's and old Makfile of ncurses
2010-11-03 04:01 <kyak> not the current one from openwrt svn
2010-11-03 04:01 <kyak> and older than we had in openwrt-xburst before
2010-11-03 04:02 <kyak> (i just noticed that libncursesw was gone and got worried)
2010-11-03 04:02 <kyak> xiangfu: so you read logs :)
2010-11-03 04:04 <xiangfu> kyak: checkout this : https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/branches/backfire/package
2010-11-03 04:08 <kyak> so it means that we are on backfire release?
2010-11-03 04:08 <kyak> it is very old
2010-11-03 04:08 <xiangfu> kyak: hmm... I think it's no need to update. seems the package directory include packages for the base rootfs.
2010-11-03 04:08 <kyak> xiangfu: compare this:
2010-11-03 04:09 <kyak> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/branches/backfire/package/ncurses
2010-11-03 04:09 <kyak> and this:
2010-11-03 04:09 <kyak> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/package/ncurses
2010-11-03 04:09 <kyak> 8 months vs 8 weeks
2010-11-03 04:09 <kyak> previously we were on trunk/package/ncurses
2010-11-03 04:55 <xiangfu> kyak: you right. previously we were on trunk/.
2010-11-03 04:55 <xiangfu> kyak: but our plan is tracking the upstream [backfire] not [trunk]. so recently we clean up our openwrt-xburst.git
2010-11-03 04:55 <xiangfu> make sure it's tracking backfire.
2010-11-03 04:56 <xiangfu> kyak: we mess up the trunk and backfire commits before. now it's better :)
2010-11-03 05:09 <kyak> hm.. so we are not on the edge anymore
2010-11-03 05:09 <kyak> what the point of tracking the upstream [backfire]?
2010-11-03 05:11 <kyak> we will only see backports there?
2010-11-03 05:11 <kyak> (i just don't like the fact that we lost libncursesw)
2010-11-03 05:12 <kyak> might be something else that we've lost, too
2010-11-03 05:24 <xiangfu> kyak: the upstream [backfire] is the stable release of OpenWrt.
2010-11-03 05:24 <kyak> damn ISP
2010-11-03 05:24 <kyak> ok
2010-11-03 05:25 <kyak> so let it be then
2010-11-03 05:25 <kyak> stability is also good
2010-11-03 05:25 <kyak> libncursesw is not working anyway
2010-11-03 05:26 <xiangfu> I don't know why the libncursesw is at package/ directory
2010-11-03 05:26 <xiangfu> if it include by feeds/packages that will be great. maybe should ask OpenWrt people.
2010-11-03 05:28 <kyak> H5MK 5@C:C 8CAD3KC H5MK D 7D:5 I0 8DKHA K=K5CL H 5@HB;
2010-11-03 05:28 <kyak> it's there because it's a part of basic system i think
2010-11-03 05:33 <xiangfu> yes.
2010-11-03 05:37 <kyak> xiangfu: after i git clone the openwrt-xburst, and try to create local branch [master] it says that it already exists
2010-11-03 05:37 <kyak> why is that?
2010-11-03 05:38 <xiangfu> kyak: when you git clone , it's will create a local branch name master by default.
2010-11-03 05:38 <kyak> ah ok
2010-11-03 05:38 <kyak> very convenient
2010-11-03 05:39 <kyak> xiangfu: another question - what is the purpose of git fetch origin right after git clone?
2010-11-03 05:39 <kyak> it seems to do nothing
2010-11-03 05:40 <xiangfu> kyak: when you do the git fetch just after the 'git clone' it's will do nothing.
2010-11-03 05:41 <kyak> ok, as i thought
2010-11-03 05:42 <xiangfu> kyak: the 'git fetch' is gupdate the local git in background, not merge to the local branch. just something like in background :)
2010-11-03 05:42 <xiangfu> kyak: I always use 'git fetch' when the remote have commits from others.
2010-11-03 05:42 <xiangfu> 1. git fetch
2010-11-03 05:43 <xiangfu> 2. git rebase origin/master  (which make my commits on the top of remote/master)
2010-11-03 05:43 <xiangfu> 3. git push
2010-11-03 05:44 <kyak> what would happen with git fetch if your commits conflict with remote changes?
2010-11-03 05:45 <xiangfu> kyak: git fetch only download the remote object. it's will not try to merge with local branch.
2010-11-03 05:45 <xiangfu> the 'git rebase' will do merge. so if there is conflict, it's will prompt. we should fix that manual.
2010-11-03 05:46 <kyak> ah ok, very clear now
2010-11-03 05:46 <xiangfu> git pull = git fetch + git merge
2010-11-03 05:46 <kyak> i always do git pull before git push
2010-11-03 05:46 <kyak> as you teached me :)
2010-11-03 05:52 <xiangfu> great :)
2010-11-03 05:57 <lekernel> what's the difference between rebase and merge?
2010-11-03 05:58 <lekernel> k, found it :p
2010-11-03 06:05 <lekernel> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/457927/git-workflow-and-rebase-vs-merge-questions
2010-11-03 08:11 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (pics) they're small :)
2010-11-03 08:12 <kristoffer> larsc, wpwrak how is u-boot status? In vanilla for nanonote?
2010-11-03 08:17 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: i don't really know. haven't touched that beast on the ben. i think there are some ben-specific patches that aren't upstream.
2010-11-03 08:19 <kristoffer> wpwrak, (I assume its for me). oki, Ill look at the qi repository first though
2010-11-03 08:23 <larsc> wpwrak: upstream uboot support is non existing. and nobody is working on getting it done
2010-11-03 08:26 <wpwrak> larsc: i think i heard something like upstream not being particularly interested ?
2010-11-03 08:27 <larsc> uhm, not sure. never heard that before
2010-11-03 08:27 <wpwrak> kristoffer: err, sorry :) i'm too used to name completion to need less than six characters :)
2010-11-03 08:27 <larsc> but the code isn't really in a shape were i would take it if i were upstream
2010-11-03 08:27 <kristoffer> wpwrak, I get that alot lately :) I blame kristianpaul for having a name so similiar :P
2010-11-03 08:28 <larsc> well, still better then me. i wanted to autocomplete kristoffer and autocompleted wpwrak...
2010-11-03 08:28 <wpwrak> larsc: ah, i see. well, hopefully, we can get rid of it sometime soon anyway :)
2010-11-03 08:28 <kristoffer> larsc, lol
2010-11-03 08:28 <kristoffer> wpwrak, wolfgang is usually quite friendly against new platforms.
2010-11-03 08:29 <wpwrak> kristoffer: he stole your nick's autocompletion prefix ! should be cristianpaul anyway :)
2010-11-03 08:29 <wpwrak> kristoffer: hmm, can you really use "against" this way ? :)
2010-11-03 08:29 <wpwrak> larsc: (autocompletion) interesting algorithm :)
2010-11-03 08:30 <roh> new platforms?
2010-11-03 08:30 <kristoffer> wpwrak, :D not sure, it sounds good in swedish though. So most likely a mentalese translation
2010-11-03 08:30 <wpwrak> roh: new u-boot platform. not "our" wolfgang
2010-11-03 08:30 <roh> ah
2010-11-03 08:30 <roh> hoped to find somebody bored enought for soc support work
2010-11-03 08:30 <kristoffer> alot of wolfgangs in high places
2010-11-03 08:31 <roh> i recently found out that loads of these cheap pictureframes have small special soc with e.g. arc cpu cores in them
2010-11-03 08:32 <kristoffer> kristianpaul, I now understand that you are slowly trying to phase me out of existance by replacing letters in your name so you will be the auto tab. Just want you to know that I see through your plans...:P
2010-11-03 08:32 <wpwrak> notices the beneficial effect of occasionally losing all your data. the perfect way to find out where you forgot to check in some files ...
2010-11-03 08:32 <roh> *g*
2010-11-03 08:34 <kristoffer> I really wish I had taken more/any hardware courses in school, would have come in handy when dealing with u-boot
2010-11-03 08:34 <wpwrak> hmm, xchat doesn't seem to have an autocompletion override feature. would be handy - map cristianpaul to kristianpaul
2010-11-03 08:35 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: hardware .. like in hydrodynamics ? :)
2010-11-03 08:35 <kristoffer> :P
2010-11-03 08:36 <kristoffer> more like general eletronic design. bugtracking faulty hardware. understanding memory more fully
2010-11-03 08:36 <roh> kristoffer nothing you cant learn now. to be fair: school was a big bust besides basics in math, writing and physics. all the important stuff i needed to learn myself or somewhere else
2010-11-03 08:38 <kristoffer> roh, yes, atleast to a degree. Programming stuff is easy enough to learn, but the real practical area of eletronic handling (using those fancy detectors/wave generators...) is hard to get
2010-11-03 08:39 <kristoffer> In a perfect world I would have three degrees... but I doubt I will ever get that
2010-11-03 08:50 <rafa> kristoffer: I wrote a short "how to get the uboot sources from qi and crosscompile" if you are interested
2010-11-03 09:08 <roh> kristoffer you see.. i only got one from school and another one after completing my apprenticeship. but these never got me any job yet
2010-11-03 09:09 <roh> on the contrary. people ask what one did and does, not what papers you can provide (on proper jobs atleast) in my experience
2010-11-03 09:10 <roh> atleast in the opensource industry i find its much more knowledge based than degree based.
2010-11-03 09:18 <lekernel> there are tons of factors. diplomas, knowledge, experience, acquaintances...
2010-11-03 09:18 <lekernel> in some companies (like in the financial sector) it's pure elitism
2010-11-03 09:21 <wpwrak> lekernel: i thought we were talking about honest work ? :)
2010-11-03 09:32 <wpwrak> the post is slow. a parcel arrived monday evening, yesterday customs were sitting on it for almost the whole day, then, in the late afternoon, they released it for delivery, and it seems that it still hasn't left the post office by 10:30. i wonder how long it'll take those guys to realize there's really nothing worth stealing inside ...
2010-11-03 10:02 <kristianpaul> kristoffer: what?
2010-11-03 10:03 <kristianpaul> ah ;-)
2010-11-03 10:37 <kristoffer> roh, agreed. In opensource its more of show-me-what-youve-been-doing rather than exams. Atleast thats what the annoying headhunters scavenge for when they send the mails.
2010-11-03 12:42 <B_Lizzard> I would just like to say that the Nokia BL-5C is a real nice upgrade
2010-11-03 12:42 <B_Lizzard> Better battery life, weight distribution is better, and it feels more solid.
2010-11-03 12:44 <kristoffer> B_Lizzard, and you can close the battery lid?
2010-11-03 12:44 <B_Lizzard> Yeah
2010-11-03 12:44 <kristoffer> seem to recall seeing something on the mail about it not being possible. but might have been some other battery
2010-11-03 12:44 <B_Lizzard> It takes a bit more effort at first but once you learn the trick it's easy
2010-11-03 12:44 <B_Lizzard> It only 1mm thicker
2010-11-03 12:45 <kristoffer> ah right, it was about the openmoko frerunner batteries
2010-11-03 12:45 <B_Lizzard> I got the battery for 9 Euro, so it's not exactly expensive
2010-11-03 12:45 <kristoffer> nice
2010-11-03 12:51 <B_Lizzard> </advertisement>
2010-11-03 13:31 <rafa> B_Lizzard: what is the difference between your new battery and nn battery?
2010-11-03 13:34 <B_Lizzard> 170mAh
2010-11-03 14:07 <rafa> B_Lizzard: that was for me?.. I do not know anything about batteries. What does that mean? I guess that your new battery will power nn longer
2010-11-03 14:07 <B_Lizzard> ;)
2010-11-03 14:07 <B_Lizzard> Exactly
2010-11-03 14:08 <B_Lizzard> It is made by Nokia, which may or may not mean something, it is bigger by 170mAh and larger by 1mm
2010-11-03 23:39 <HKCMD> My D845GEBV2 board shows no onboard audio in Bios
2010-11-03 23:40 <HKCMD>   is that the onboard audio damaged ?