2010-10-30 01:14 <rafa> I know how to write argentina in ch :D
2010-10-30 01:14 <rafa> ?9÷4
2010-10-30 05:19 <logictheo> I found Issue 73 "software controlled brightness, but  it's currently not implemented" . Before I went to sleep I wanted read an ebook but the brightness was too bright. Maybe I should change all the text to brown so that it doesn't hurt my eyes(as a temporary 'workaround' solution)?
2010-10-30 05:19 <logictheo> (by the way I use 'lynx oz-of-ozma.txt' just as an example of how I currently read ebooks)
2010-10-30 05:21 <kyak> since you are reading in web browser, you indeed can change the text color to grey or brown
2010-10-30 05:38 <bartbes> does anybody know what this means?
2010-10-30 05:38 <bartbes> Makefile:63: *** Download/default is missing the VERSION field..  Stop.
2010-10-30 05:49 <bartbes> that went well...
2010-10-30 06:20 <logictheo> I underestimated the ease of changing colors in lynx
2010-10-30 06:36 <bartbes> go bot:
2010-10-30 06:36 <bartbes> oh
2010-10-30 06:37 <bartbes> oops
2010-10-30 06:38 <qi-bot> [commit] bartbes: Updated to new version of nlove (and now uses hg repo) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c6552a1
2010-10-30 06:38 <bartbes> (had to rebase, forgot to pull first)
2010-10-30 06:42 <kyak> changing color in lynx as easy as adding relevent html tags
2010-10-30 08:14 <wpwrak> hmm, this looks nice: http://github.com/blog/699-making-github-more-open-git-backed-wikis
2010-10-30 08:30 <bartbes> wpwrak: it sure does
2010-10-30 08:33 <wpwrak> here's another one, haskell instead of ruby this time: http://github.com/jgm/gitit
2010-10-30 08:33 <wpwrak> uses pandoc for conversion. alas, pandoc can't use MediaWiki as input. http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
2010-10-30 08:39 <wpwrak> github uses some multilingual markup system, interfacing to markdown, textile, rdoc, org, creole, rst, asciidoc, pod, man (groff), all but the last two completely unknown to me.
2010-10-30 08:40 <bartbes> markdown is epic
2010-10-30 08:40 <bartbes> and textile is what they were using before
2010-10-30 08:41 <wpwrak> is markdown good ? at least the basic version looks fairly limited. e.g., no tables.
2010-10-30 08:41 <wpwrak> which of course spawned extensions, like in pandoc. history repeating itself over and over again and again ;-)
2010-10-30 08:43 <bartbes> Markdown's syntax is intended for one purpose: to be used as a
2010-10-30 08:43 <bartbes> format for *writing* for the web.
2010-10-30 08:43 <bartbes> Markdown is not a replacement for HTML, or even close to it.
2010-10-30 08:43 <bartbes> (from a syntax manual thingy)
2010-10-30 08:44 <wpwrak> yeah, i saw this
2010-10-30 08:44 <wpwrak> my question is - what would be painless enough to actually make a transition possible ?
2010-10-30 08:45 <wpwrak> transition of the qi-hw wiki. i hate web-only interfaces :)
2010-10-30 08:47 <wolfspraul> I am pretty sure MediaWiki will continue to be the #1 free wiki software, nothing comes even close to it.
2010-10-30 08:47 <wolfspraul> I won't load more tools on my admin shoulders, MediaWiki + Indefero and the assorted tools around them is enough
2010-10-30 08:47 <wolfspraul> there is this MediaWiki filesystem project, but unfortunately it's abandoned
2010-10-30 08:48 <wolfspraul> maybe it will be reactivated one day, who knows
2010-10-30 08:48 <wolfspraul> the moment werner has his filesystem view he won't care about the rest anymore :-)
2010-10-30 08:48 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: yeah, the filesystem view is what i'm after ;-)
2010-10-30 08:49 <wpwrak> that is, read and write
2010-10-30 08:49 <wolfspraul> sure
2010-10-30 08:49 <wpwrak> alas, this means that you really ought to have a version control system underneath
2010-10-30 08:50 <wolfspraul> also my personal opinion, while this gitwiki at github is really cool, and it's no surprise that the GIThub audience likes it, I am always a bit careful when a good tool is over-extended into areas it was not originally designed for
2010-10-30 08:50 <wolfspraul> learnt my lesson
2010-10-30 08:50 <wolfspraul> I remember how I was totally hooked on extending IRC to multi-party video chat once...
2010-10-30 08:50 <wolfspraul> argh
2010-10-30 08:51 <wpwrak> ;-))))
2010-10-30 08:51 <wolfspraul> git was designed to deal with source codes, and the very delicate dependencies among the many different files
2010-10-30 08:51 <wolfspraul> we all know it
2010-10-30 08:51 <wolfspraul> conflict resolutions, cherry-picking, what not
2010-10-30 08:51 <wolfspraul> if a wiki is about _documents_, then that's just different
2010-10-30 08:51 <wolfspraul> documents have embedded graphs, pictures, even videos
2010-10-30 08:52 <wolfspraul> document != source code, in the end
2010-10-30 08:52 <wolfspraul> so let's see
2010-10-30 08:52 <kristianpaul> sphinx.pocoo.org
2010-10-30 08:52 <wolfspraul> it definitely seems like an improvement from the earlier github wiki
2010-10-30 08:52 <wpwrak> "put myself on fire, jumped out of an airplane, into a swamp, in the middle of a war zone" may be an instructive experience, but then i doesn't necessarily mean that you should shun transportation in general ;-)
2010-10-30 08:52 <wolfspraul> so no wonder they are forcefully upgrading everyone to the new git-based one...
2010-10-30 08:53 <wolfspraul> like I said, when it comes to wikis, I feel very good with MediaWiki
2010-10-30 08:53 <wolfspraul> right now
2010-10-30 08:53 <wolfspraul> it's a really really great piece of software
2010-10-30 08:53 <wpwrak> i think the web-based interface can just stay simple. it wouldn't lose any functionality. you can reserve the fancy bits for the command line.
2010-10-30 08:55 <wpwrak> last time i checked, the conflict resolution model was along the lines of "someone else changed what you were editing - please reload and do it again". has this changed ?
2010-10-30 08:55 <wpwrak> (speaking of mediawiki)
2010-10-30 08:55 <wolfspraul> he, don't know
2010-10-30 08:56 <wolfspraul> this happens so rarely... it's not sources :-)
2010-10-30 08:56 <wpwrak> it must happen a lot in the edit wars on wikipedia :)
2010-10-30 10:09 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: Revert "Replace OpenWrt banner with a custom NanoNote banner." http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7000e6e
2010-10-30 10:09 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move the NanoNote banner to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/70a8137
2010-10-30 10:17 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move NanoNote special files to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d5e9dcd
2010-10-30 10:17 <viric> Hello
2010-10-30 10:17 <viric> I'm trying to write an udev rule for when the 'usb0' network device appears (nanonote)
2010-10-30 10:18 <viric> How to match it? SUBSYSTEM=="net", NAME=="usb0" does not work for me
2010-10-30 10:18 <viric> ah, found in the openmoko web, I think
2010-10-30 10:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: move NanoNote special files(build, reflash_ben.sh) to data/ folder http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cae1615
2010-10-30 10:32 <kristianpaul> http://ninapaley.com/mimiandeunice/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ME_218_ColdVirus.png :)
2010-10-30 10:34 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: http://ninapaley.com/mimiandeunice/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ME_219_MoneyOnTheInternet1.png
2010-10-30 10:34 <kristianpaul> FIY http://ninapaley.com/mimiandeunice/category/ip/
2010-10-30 10:34 <kristianpaul> bbl
2010-10-30 11:34 <wpwrak> also interesting - a distributed bug tracker: http://bugseverywhere.org/be/show/HomePage
2010-10-30 12:02 <fossrox> heya DNS777 :D
2010-10-30 12:02 <DNS777> hola :)
2010-10-30 12:48 <viric> I want to put images accurately on screen...
2010-10-30 12:48 <viric> how much do I have to worry about the special LCD in the nanonote?
2010-10-30 12:49 <viric> and what is the way to worry about it?
2010-10-30 13:10 <kyak> viric: why do you have to worry?
2010-10-30 13:11 <kyak> use fbi or imgv for viewing images
2010-10-30 13:12 <viric> I'm writing my own viewer
2010-10-30 13:12 <viric> I want to display 15000x15000 pixels jpegs
2010-10-30 13:12 <viric> And both fbi and imgv load all the uncompressed image to memory.
2010-10-30 13:12 <viric> so, no way.
2010-10-30 13:13 <viric> Do they have code for the special screen of the nanonote?
2010-10-30 13:15 <kyak> you check?
2010-10-30 13:15 <viric> I did not check
2010-10-30 13:15 <kyak> you should at least understand how they work before trying to do something of your own
2010-10-30 13:16 <viric> I know how they work
2010-10-30 13:16 <viric> I have zoom working and I'm doing the scroll.
2010-10-30 13:16 <kyak> but you didn't check, how do you know?
2010-10-30 13:16 <viric> Ah, sure I checked imgv and fbi for the image loading part.
2010-10-30 13:16 <kyak> zoom is working and scrolling, too in fbi
2010-10-30 13:16 <viric> It is not that I *wanted* to write my own :)
2010-10-30 13:16 <viric> I know that they work. But they cannot load a 15000x15000 jpeg in the nanonote :)
2010-10-30 13:17 <kyak> i'm not sure my laptop can do that ;)
2010-10-30 13:17 <kyak> what are you trying to do anyway?
2010-10-30 13:17 <viric> kyak: I mean that with libjpeg, it's not needed to load all the uncompressed pixels into memory.
2010-10-30 13:17 <viric> kyak: but that is what both imgv and fbi do.
2010-10-30 13:18 <kyak> can you write a patch for them not to do that?
2010-10-30 13:18 <viric> I don't mind having repeated decoding.
2010-10-30 13:18 <viric> For fbi, impossible. It's all designed for having the image whole on memory
2010-10-30 13:18 <viric> For imgv... it would be about making the code much bigger.
2010-10-30 13:19 <kyak> i found fbi pretty fast.. again, what is your target? why you attempt to view this big images in Ben?
2010-10-30 13:19 <viric> I have maps.
2010-10-30 13:19 <kyak> it's like 45 screens to scroll to view the whole image (without resize)
2010-10-30 13:19 <viric> I want to use the nanonote as map viewer.
2010-10-30 13:19 <viric> Sure, I'll have zoom.
2010-10-30 13:19 <kyak> have you tryed NanoMap?
2010-10-30 13:20 <viric> My maps are cartographic
2010-10-30 13:20 <viric> not PGS
2010-10-30 13:20 <viric> not road-related
2010-10-30 13:20 <kyak> that'a 19th century, my friend
2010-10-30 13:20 <kyak> :)
2010-10-30 13:20 <viric> I don't want to use it as map for a city
2010-10-30 13:20 <viric> I do mountain climbing :)
2010-10-30 13:21 <viric> I also use compasses :)
2010-10-30 13:21 <kyak> ok
2010-10-30 13:21 <kyak> how about that - you can split your big image into pieces
2010-10-30 13:21 <kyak> and write a script for viewing them
2010-10-30 13:21 <kyak> using imgv or fbi
2010-10-30 13:21 <viric> It's far easier to write a SDL program, for me :)
2010-10-30 13:21 <viric> and I enjoy the process, too. So, all fu.
2010-10-30 13:22 <viric> fun
2010-10-30 13:22 <kyak> well as you wish.. if you ever succeed, please let me know :)
2010-10-30 13:22 <viric> ok, don't worry
2010-10-30 13:22 <viric> but I imagine I'll do something simple that will "work for me" :)
2010-10-30 13:22 <kyak> actually, NanoMap is working this way
2010-10-30 13:23 <kyak> in has tiles and downloads/displays them
2010-10-30 13:23 <viric> And how much will take a 15000x15000 map ? :
2010-10-30 13:23 <viric> :)
2010-10-30 13:23 <kyak> you can calculate
2010-10-30 13:23 <viric> In fact 5000x5000 would be enough
2010-10-30 13:23 <viric> a map I have here of that size takes 10MB.
2010-10-30 13:24 <kyak> i used NanoMap with ~1Gb data, which i pre-downloaded on my laptop
2010-10-30 13:24 <kyak> it ran smooth
2010-10-30 13:24 <kyak> tiles might be the way to go
2010-10-30 13:24 <kyak> instead of messing with memory/not memory :)
2010-10-30 13:24 <viric> no, I don't like tiles :)
2010-10-30 13:25 <viric> nanomap is for another job, I think.
2010-10-30 13:25 <viric> I only want to be able to display big pictures.
2010-10-30 15:20 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: updated some glyphs, added pre-png file http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0be554f
2010-10-30 18:29 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: boom/Makefile: new target "db" to build or update the database http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/6ba3a56
2010-10-30 18:29 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: manu/Makefile: run a recursive make on all subdirectories http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/a6c65c7
2010-10-30 18:29 <wpwrak> phew. now this works again, too.
2010-10-30 19:36 <qi-bot> [commit] Erwin Lopez: Uploaded the first Beta to test in the development group http://qi-hw.com/p/sie-ceimtun/8f2a9cc
2010-10-30 20:56 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i have some delays here about the scope meter, so i deciced not forgot it but debug later and trust the data from the SiGE evb, so i hope have some raw data this sunday :)
2010-10-30 21:05 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: he. no worries.
2010-10-30 21:05 <wolfspraul> delay = you are working on the right thing :-)
2010-10-30 21:06 <wolfspraul> you should ask wpwrak about it...
2010-10-30 21:06 <wpwrak> ;-))
2010-10-30 21:06 <wolfspraul> he's the master of producing great results, but also the master of delays
2010-10-30 21:06 <kristianpaul> i'll do the CPLD thinf that wpwrak is askign me for long time ago ;)
2010-10-30 21:06 <kristianpaul> jsut in case
2010-10-30 21:06 <kristianpaul> thats was actually i wanted to debug signal first
2010-10-30 21:07 <kristianpaul> but damn we need copyleft scopemeters ;-)
2010-10-30 21:07 <kristianpaul> yeah i want delay to make sure all works as is supposed to, not suppose that it will work after powering up
2010-10-30 21:08 <kristianpaul> s/i/why
2010-10-30 21:21 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: what i think would be nice to have is a number of fast but low-resolution ADCs. that way, they're not so expensive. then, hook all this up to an FPGA and connect a few GB of PC memory on the other side.
2010-10-30 21:22 <kristianpaul> i got one ADC 10Mhz from Ti
2010-10-30 21:22 <kristianpaul> but was before you advised me i need at least 80Mhz..
2010-10-30 21:22 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-10-30 21:22 <kristianpaul> good point
2010-10-30 21:22 <kristianpaul> fast no res
2010-10-30 21:23 <kristianpaul> s/no/low
2010-10-30 21:23 <kristianpaul> few GB..
2010-10-30 21:23 <wpwrak> 10 MHz is DC ;-)
2010-10-30 21:23 <kristianpaul> he
2010-10-30 21:23 <kristianpaul> i just have 800Mb ram actually :-/
2010-10-30 21:23 <kristianpaul> but yeah ram is cheap those days..
2010-10-30 21:24 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: are you aware of soem of this ADC you recommend from TI?..
2010-10-30 21:24 <wpwrak> the trickiest bit would be visualization
2010-10-30 21:24 <kristianpaul> s/from TI/in TI stock
2010-10-30 21:24 <kristianpaul> indeed
2010-10-30 21:24 <kristianpaul> timing..
2010-10-30 21:25 <wpwrak> hmm, i found something that looked halfway promising, but i don't remember from which company. 6 bit resolution.
2010-10-30 21:25 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-10-30 21:26 <wpwrak> i think you need at least 5 bits for signal analysis. 6 should be quite comfortable. then make 8 or more channels.
2010-10-30 21:27 <kristianpaul> with 3 channels is enought for now
2010-10-30 21:27 <kristianpaul> or i'll end doing a logic analizer.. with the SIE
2010-10-30 21:27 <kristianpaul> but i *really* want explore/debug analog signaling before jump digital.
2010-10-30 21:28 <wpwrak> i'm surprised you're so worried about signal integrity here. had some bad experiences ?
2010-10-30 21:28 <kristianpaul> no bad no good. so i want check
2010-10-30 21:28 <kristianpaul> no precious experiences ;)
2010-10-30 21:28 <kristianpaul> previous*
2010-10-30 21:29 <wpwrak> you're not telling me this is your first circuit ? :-)
2010-10-30 21:29 <kristianpaul> as i said i can ignore this, mae  SPI-to SPI on the CPLD
2010-10-30 21:29 <kristianpaul> no no
2010-10-30 21:30 <wpwrak> (ignore) yup. maybe there's even some test pattern mode or such ?
2010-10-30 21:30 <kristianpaul> i can look for a pattern on data out right
2010-10-30 21:31 <wpwrak> (ignore) in any case, you can tell by the clock whether your signal is right or wrong. clock is usually the fastest and thus most sensitive.
2010-10-30 21:31 <kristianpaul> the light will come when i got my first PRN code founded ;-)
2010-10-30 21:31 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: i was thinking same about clock
2010-10-30 21:31 <kristianpaul> i have thec counter :)
2010-10-30 21:32 <kristianpaul> i'll move to digital..
2010-10-30 21:32 <kristianpaul> :-)
2010-10-30 21:32 <kristianpaul> if something go wrong (readings) i can have the lab next week i think
2010-10-30 21:35 <kristianpaul> and debug
2010-10-30 21:36 <wpwrak> sounds like a plan :) clocks are tricky anyway. it's easy to get a crystal wrong, etc.
2010-10-30 21:37 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: (first circuit) in terms of radio receiving signal (not counting classical RF modules), yup
2010-10-30 21:37 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-10-30 21:37 <kristianpaul> well yes i know i must do some clock domain sync
2010-10-30 21:38 <kristianpaul> i was reading about it sebastien push me as soo he noticed i was doing a counter
2010-10-30 21:39 <wpwrak> (clock domain sync) you mean in the spi-spi bridge ?
2010-10-30 21:40 <kristianpaul> well not
2010-10-30 21:40 <kristianpaul> in the counter part
2010-10-30 21:40 <kristianpaul> i'm not sure if apply for SPI-to-SPI
2010-10-30 21:40 <kristianpaul> i was planing a 3 state buffer and no more..
2010-10-30 21:41 <kristianpaul> or do some "memory" blocks
2010-10-30 21:43 <wpwrak> hmm. i think the tricky area when it comes to clock domains will be the access demultiplexing logic. of course, if you have dual-ported ram blocks, they may take care of some of the headache.
2010-10-30 23:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Erwin Lopez: Changed src in Beta with example to all 4 PWM at 100% http://qi-hw.com/p/sie-ceimtun/cc225fc