2010-09-27 01:21 I have ported the recent official image of kernel on nanonote 2010-09-27 01:21 getiing few icons on the screen but no idea that hwo to run applications 2010-09-27 01:30 qwebirc8940: which application do you want to run? 2010-09-27 01:30 imo the only one that is actually usable is gmu, the music player 2010-09-27 01:32 like file viewer or console 2010-09-27 01:33 or how to operate this GUI 2010-09-27 01:33 to go to the console press Ctrl-Alt-F1 2010-09-27 01:34 in the GUI, try the music player gmu, depending on which version of the gui you have you need to press 'x' or 'enter' to start an app 2010-09-27 01:42 if i need to get GUI back then hwo to get t 2010-09-27 01:46 ctrl-alt-f5 2010-09-27 01:50 hwo to add links to applications on the desktop 2010-09-27 01:51 is there any document where Ican have all the details of it 2010-09-27 01:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Cleaned up POV-Ray file handling. New use: solidify -p project http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/12f5aa2 2010-09-27 01:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Cleaned up z0 plane input/output. Note: need to change fx in all .sfy files ! http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/1638123 2010-09-27 01:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Correct z0 for z vs. xy scale differences. Now things work as planned ! http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/6acca4e 2010-09-27 01:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Re-aligned all projects after fixing the inclination in solidify. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-scans/c00799f 2010-09-27 01:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Makefile and helper scripts for running solidify and POV-Ray. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-scans/6e287cd 2010-09-27 01:56 qwebirc8940: maybe this helps http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x 2010-09-27 01:57 is there any default file viewer ? 2010-09-27 01:58 how can I have shortcut links to Console or any application on the Nanonote screen ? 2010-09-27 02:27 how to add applications in Explorer/File Browser 2010-09-27 02:59 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Show an exploded view of all parts scanned so far in one image. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-scans/3b6325d 2010-09-27 03:03 how can I have shortcut links to Console or any application on the Nanonote screen 2010-09-27 03:04 wolfspraul: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ben-scans/ben.jpg 2010-09-27 03:12 wpwrak: oh wow! 2010-09-27 03:13 my mind is still stuck at your last 3D mail where you asked for help on how to go from the scan to a solid 3D model. I guess you passed that already now? 2010-09-27 03:17 wolfspraul: well, i'm half way there. i more or less solved the alignment problem. what i still don't have are proper solids for cad. 2010-09-27 03:19 hmm, I see. 2010-09-27 03:19 impressive pictures nonetheless 2010-09-27 03:19 wolfspraul: what i can generate is pov-ray output. that's a format i'm familiar with. not sure how difficult it would be to get into a cad system. i have functions that let me resample a mesh, so in the worst case, i could just generate a lot of "toblerone"-like columns 2010-09-27 03:24 Hi Wolfang, I'm Pietro, the guy that has locked the Nanote; I've the carnonized rubber. I'm now in my office, the Nanonote is at home; if is more convenient that I've the Nanonote in my hands I'll rejoin the channel tomorrow. 2010-09-27 03:27 qwebirc27425: yes sure, when you are at your nanonote come into this channel and we will help you. 2010-09-27 03:27 don't worry we will 100% definitely guaranteed unbrick your nanonote 2010-09-27 03:27 wolfspraul: here are some more pictures. a little more surreal.http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/ 2010-09-27 03:27 worst case you send it in, and we reflash it or (in the unlikely case that it's a hardware problem), exchange it 2010-09-27 03:27 but I am optimistic, since you come to this channel, good English etc. we can do it together here 2010-09-27 03:28 qwebirc27425: the only problem is timezone, I am typically in irc only until about 3 PM or so your (Italian) time. after that there are other folks here that may help you though, just try... 2010-09-27 03:29 if you stay up late, I should be back online 2-3 AM your time :-) 2010-09-27 03:31 OK, fine, I'll rejoin the channel tomorrow morning, around the current time [sometime at 2-3am I'm working, but not always :-) ]; many many thanks again, Pietro 2010-09-27 03:32 cu 2010-09-27 03:36 worderful pictures, cu 2010-09-27 04:14 need to add shortcut of console on desktop . How can I do it 2010-09-27 04:41 see /usr/share/gmenu2x/sections/applications/ for examples 2010-09-27 05:05 hello all 2010-09-27 05:05 good morning (paris local time) 2010-09-27 05:16 good mornig (spanish loacal time :P) 2010-09-27 05:24 Ben is taking over the Europe 2010-09-27 05:26 FSM hears you kyak :P 2010-09-27 05:27 if i copy the vim in /usr/share/gmenu2x/sections/applications/ will i get the vim shortcut on desktop ? 2010-09-27 05:27 no not working this way qwebirc55417 2010-09-27 05:27 Ben is take over europe, I agree :) 2010-09-27 05:28 then hwo can I add Vim or Nano file editor on desktop 2010-09-27 05:28 no offence, but when i'm reading such messages as from qwebirc55417, i indeed understand that wolfgang was right that Ben is not only for geeks 2010-09-27 05:28 in usr/share/gmenu2x/sections/applications/ there are some little text files with a description and the path of what to execute 2010-09-27 05:30 you must create one of this text files for the vim launcher to appear in the on screen 2010-09-27 05:30 thats ok but what is the solution to my prob 2010-09-27 05:31 fine got it 2010-09-27 05:38 yesterday my nano was bricked. with the help of a few people here i was able to make it work with usbboot again 2010-09-27 05:38 now I've juste flashed a new debian 2010-09-27 05:38 but it seems that it is still not booting 2010-09-27 05:39 how can I launch console from desktop 2010-09-27 05:39 if i boot it with the U pressed i can use the usbboot -c "boot" and result is successful 2010-09-27 05:39 in fedora its konsole what is there in Nanonote ? 2010-09-27 05:39 but then, if i try to boot it by itself, nothing happens 2010-09-27 05:39 any idea? 2010-09-27 05:39 I debian is the most common bricking cause of NN, I recomend you to flash  Openwrt or Jlime, since debian is not very supported now 2010-09-27 05:42 qwebirc55417: you can press ctrl+alt+f1 to f4 to access a console , ctrl+alt+f5 will return to grafical menu 2010-09-27 05:43 ok 2010-09-27 05:44 tugasoft: how do you boot it "by itself"? 2010-09-27 05:44 kyak: i mean puting the battery and powering it up 2010-09-27 05:44 then, nothing happens 2010-09-27 05:44 you do press and hold power button, right? 2010-09-27 05:44 yes 2010-09-27 05:45 i've triedpessing for about 10 seconds 2010-09-27 05:45 the screen is always dark 2010-09-27 05:45 is the battery fully charged? 2010-09-27 05:45 try to boot it like this with usb cable plugged in 2010-09-27 05:45 i don't know how to check the baterry level, but it is higly probable that the  baterry is very low 2010-09-27 05:46 nope i want to open a console from desktop without human intervention i.e select a icon and press x to open the console 2010-09-27 05:46 i've tried with th usb plugged and with at least 3 different usb cables 2010-09-27 05:46 if it boots successfully with U button pressed, it should boot without it (at least show something on screen) 2010-09-27 05:46 i will wait for the battery to charge a few hors 2010-09-27 05:47 maybe it is fully discharged 2010-09-27 05:50 you've sucked off all the energy from your Ben :) 2010-09-27 05:53 :) 2010-09-27 05:53 or I may have damaged the screen :( 2010-09-27 05:53 i will see later 2010-09-27 05:53 i will not see :) 2010-09-27 05:53 *or will not see 2010-09-27 05:54 but ok, assuming your screen is dead 2010-09-27 05:54 you can still ssh to your Ben or at lest see it show up in dmesg 2010-09-27 05:54 how can I know if it is only the screen? 2010-09-27 05:55 hmm, shh, good idea 2010-09-27 05:55 also is the red LED lightning? 2010-09-27 05:55 at all 2010-09-27 05:55 I see 2010-09-27 05:55 [1565380.998017] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 9e:4f:a8:77:7e:cd 2010-09-27 05:55 [1565395.656133] usb0: no IPv6 routers present 2010-09-27 05:55 the red led works 2010-09-27 05:55 very good 2010-09-27 05:55 it turns on as i plug the usb 2010-09-27 05:56 you can ssh into it 2010-09-27 05:56 i should try to re-flash with openwrt 2010-09-27 05:56 and yes, this is the best idea 2010-09-27 05:56 i'tried to ping, but it is not pinging 2010-09-27 05:56 for openwrt is there any python port? 2010-09-27 05:57 python is functional on openwrt 2010-09-27 05:57 my project involves arduino + python, this is why i flashed with debian 2010-09-27 05:57 i haven't tryed it, but it's there 2010-09-27 05:57 ok, this is a very good new 2010-09-27 05:57 ok, I will flash openWRT then 2010-09-27 05:57 there are 68 packages matching "python" 2010-09-27 05:58 so don't worry 2010-09-27 05:58 great 2010-09-27 05:58 thanks 2010-09-27 05:58 np 2010-09-27 05:58 tugasoft: please keep me updated on you project :) 2010-09-27 05:58 do you have the url to download openWRT? 2010-09-27 05:58 tuxbrain: i will post all this in my blog 2010-09-27 05:59 then link to your blog :) 2010-09-27 05:59 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Official_Software_Image 2010-09-27 05:59 kyak: thx 2010-09-27 06:00 tuxbrain: by now there are no post about the NN+arduino, however 2010-09-27 06:00 this is the blog's url 2010-09-27 06:00 http://casa.dragon-tortuga.net/blog/ 2010-09-27 06:01 and we speak spanish :) 2010-09-27 06:06 tugasoft: great, we have some NanoNote/arduino and arduino/procesing projects on our Pre-todo list , pending on start on some actual items on our TODO list, I'm really  happy to see there are other dealing with the NanoNote/Arduino tandem 2010-09-27 06:08 tuxbrain: I'm happy to find out that there are more poeple interested in those both tools 2010-09-27 06:16 tugasoft: your nanonote boots but the screen stays dark? 2010-09-27 06:16 that's not good 2010-09-27 06:16 if you boot from NAND, u-boot should immediately initialize the LCM and display something, and you should always see that 2010-09-27 06:17 hello wolfspraul 2010-09-27 06:17 mi lcd seems to be dead 2010-09-27 06:17 :( 2010-09-27 06:17 what have you flashed into NAND last? 2010-09-27 06:17 are you sure that there is a working u-boot in NAND? 2010-09-27 06:18 tell us a bit about the history of your NanoNote. when did you get it? first it worked. then you reflashed (what?), now the screen stays dark? 2010-09-27 06:18 last flash was successful, with a debian image from pyneo 2010-09-27 06:18 nowe i'm flashing back to openwrt 2010-09-27 06:19 he, at least you get more confident in flashing things back and forth, good :-) 2010-09-27 06:19 when was the last time you saw something on the lcm? 2010-09-27 06:19 got my new nanonote last week, openwRt worked 2010-09-27 06:19 but I wanted debian, old habits :) 2010-09-27 06:19 then after a few tries i was able to flash it with debian, it worked 2010-09-27 06:21 'it worked' means it booted, you saw something on the lcm, etc. 2010-09-27 06:21 then what happened? 2010-09-27 06:21 after a reboot that bricked it I was able to make it work with the help from this #channel people, but now after a successful flash, screen stays off 2010-09-27 06:21 ok but why do you say 'successful flash'? 2010-09-27 06:21 my linux box seems to detect something 2010-09-27 06:21 if flashed with no errors 2010-09-27 06:22 how did you flash - reflash_ben.sh? 2010-09-27 06:22 or manual commands in usbboot? 2010-09-27 06:32 reflash_ben.sh 2010-09-27 06:32 i mean, I've just tried it 2010-09-27 06:32 the previous ones were with usbboot -c "...." 2010-09-27 06:35 dmesg shows me a usb0 device 2010-09-27 06:35 reflash_ben.sh worked 2010-09-27 06:35 but my lcd is still black :( 2010-09-27 06:38 i can log in 2010-09-27 06:38 with telent 2010-09-27 06:39 telnet 2010-09-27 06:39 so it IS the LCD that died 2010-09-27 06:45 i can connect to the internet with the NN. it is actualy working 2010-09-27 06:46 if somebody nows how to check my LCD, I would appreciate help :) 2010-09-27 06:48 but it's actually cool 2010-09-27 06:48 you are now forced to use ssh 2010-09-27 06:48 isn't it great? :) 2010-09-27 06:57 tugasoft: oh well 2010-09-27 06:58 I find it a little strange that your LCM problem started right after some reflashing, but from the symptoms you are reporting right now I'd say we need it back to fix it, or send you a new one. 2010-09-27 06:59 if you are good mechanically, you can try to lift off the plastic part around the keyboard, and disconnect/reconnect the FPC coming through the hinge to the mainboard 2010-09-27 06:59 but it may not be worth the trouble, and in fact you may damage something in that exercise, which would make it harder for us to find the root cause later 2010-09-27 07:00 tugasoft: where did you buy your NanoNote? 2010-09-27 07:09 sorry, went for a sandwich 2010-09-27 07:10 wolfspraun: got my NN @ hackable-devices 2010-09-27 07:11 i think i can open safely the device 2010-09-27 07:12 I have a reasonable experience in dealing with small devices 2010-09-27 07:13 tugasoft: you should never say such things to women ;) 2010-09-27 07:13 :D 2010-09-27 07:14 small _electronic_ devices :) 2010-09-27 07:15 being forced to use ssh seem to be my curse :D and it is actually cool 2010-09-27 07:15 and geek 2010-09-27 07:15 I feel so proud 2010-09-27 07:15 actually the absence of screen is not a problem at all 2010-09-27 07:16 tugasoft: he 2010-09-27 07:16 i don't want to delay the project, so I will try to see if re-plugging the LCD flat cable works 2010-09-27 07:17 well I still want to focus to get the NanoNote 100% back to what is is 'supposed' to be 2010-09-27 07:17 delay the project? 2010-09-27 07:17 reporting bugs is a great way to push the project forward 2010-09-27 07:17 well let's just try then 2010-09-27 07:17 you need to unscrew 4 screws on the back 2010-09-27 07:18 after that, you can lift off a plastic piece that sits around and above the keyboard 2010-09-27 07:23 tugasoft: still there? another sandwich? 2010-09-27 07:23 yep, here 2010-09-27 07:24 sorry 2010-09-27 07:24 I'm in the office 2010-09-27 07:24 and it get a little busy now 2010-09-27 07:24 by project I mean my project, which involves the NN 2010-09-27 07:24 http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ben-scans/ben.jpg 2010-09-27 07:24 nice picture from Werner :-) 2010-09-27 07:25 I will try to open it later 2010-09-27 07:25 you are trying to liftoff the yellow part 2010-09-27 07:25 ok sure 2010-09-27 07:25 now it will be a little hard 2010-09-27 07:25 sure, and still: no worries 2010-09-27 07:25 thx a lot 2010-09-27 07:25 if there is a hardware problem, we will fix/exchange the device 2010-09-27 07:25 really 2010-09-27 07:25 see you later 2010-09-27 07:25 cu 2010-09-27 09:13 [commit] kyak: w3m actually depends on ncurses http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ad4b048 2010-09-27 09:38 roh: you there? 2010-09-27 09:50 morning :) 2010-09-27 09:53 hello all 2010-09-27 09:57 tugasoft: hey that was quick. I'm almost out though... 2010-09-27 09:57 no worries 2010-09-27 09:58 just wated to know if anybody nows what dmesg should show in my NN if the LCD is still alive 2010-09-27 09:59 because I don't see anything like "video" 2010-09-27 10:01 tugasoft: the first thing the NanoNote loads and runs when booting from NAND is u-boot 2010-09-27 10:01 and u-boot will immediately turn on the screen 2010-09-27 10:02 ok 2010-09-27 10:02 so, my screen is actually dead 2010-09-27 10:03 maybe the flat cable in the middle of the unit 2010-09-27 10:03 I haven't disassembled yet, will come back later. 2010-09-27 10:03 bye, and thx 2010-09-27 10:03 have a nice day :) 2010-09-27 10:06 wpwrak: (hoperf) okay i follow you and also you should work as radio spectrum layer 2010-09-27 10:07 kristianpaul: layer 1 ? ;-) 2010-09-27 10:09 lawyer** 2010-09-27 10:09 sorry 2010-09-27 10:09 ;-) 2010-09-27 10:09 but is not far from the first word :) 2010-09-27 10:09 layer 1 lawyer 2010-09-27 10:12 to paraphrase brecht/sandburg, imagine there it a lawyer but nobody goes there. then the lawyer comes to you ! 2010-09-27 10:17 wpwrak: is there a wiki page that lists the usb product ids in the qi vendor id? 2010-09-27 10:24 wpwrak: anythingosia - hilarious! 2010-09-27 10:24 and that vs the democratic bureaucracy of restrictia... 2010-09-27 10:41 wpwrak: forgot for 1 minuto spectrum restrictions, what you like to do with rfm12b and the nanonote? 2010-09-27 10:42 wolfspraul: (usb) not to my knowledge :) 2010-09-27 10:42 ok I need to start it 2010-09-27 10:42 which product IDs did you use so far? 2010-09-27 10:43 kristianpaul: mainly usb replacement. download packages, ssh, maybe a bit of web browsing, maybe use it as a fancy remote control. 2010-09-27 10:43 wpwrak: btw, you will like this story 2010-09-27 10:43 I know first-hand which deal Fedex has with Chinese customs, and why not say it here :-) 2010-09-27 10:44 so it goes like this: we all know most packages have 'something' that is not right, true? 2010-09-27 10:44 wolfspraul: 0x1540 ben-wpan, AT86RF230-based 2010-09-27 10:44 "why not say it here" ? huh, contradiction ? 2010-09-27 10:44 but then fedex is a courier, all about speed. so the deal is: fedex _randomly_ pulls out 1% of packages, and hands over to Chinese customs 2010-09-27 10:45 wolfspraul: 0xcb72 /* CNTR */ (ben-wpan, cntr) 2010-09-27 10:45 they are not allowed to pull out 'certain' packages, or let the packages of some customers pass 100% 2010-09-27 10:45 a random 1% is pulled out, and then 'normally' will never be reclaimed by anybody 2010-09-27 10:45 nice system, everybody gets something to do, everybody's face is saved 2010-09-27 10:45 wolfspraul: 0x1db5 /* IDBG in DFU mode */ 2010-09-27 10:46 wolfspraul: 0x1db6 /* IDBG in normal mode */ 2010-09-27 10:46 wolfspraul: that's all so far (i think :) 2010-09-27 10:46 (fedex system) ;-)))) 2010-09-27 10:46 'why not say it here' because with public logging I'm sure fedex wouldn't like this kind of arrangement to be widely known, but whatever... 2010-09-27 10:46 i particularly like that people simply give up when that happens 2010-09-27 10:46 oh sure 2010-09-27 10:47 the only problem is if you send a truly unique and valuable something, and then it's in the 1% 2010-09-27 10:47 that sucks 2010-09-27 10:47 yeah 2010-09-27 10:47 if you send loads of fake goods it's actually nice, just add 1% to the sales price :-) 2010-09-27 10:47 just make two :) 2010-09-27 10:48 :) 2010-09-27 10:48 but even though the actual package handling is entirely in the hands of fedex (though their entire warehouse is full with govt cameras), they would never dare to make some packages pass 'for sure' 2010-09-27 10:48 that's their part of the ugly deal 2010-09-27 10:48 1% has to be 1%, randomly, "in front of justice we are all equal" (ahem) 2010-09-27 10:50 well, they can leave the details of negotiating the bribes to the customer :) 2010-09-27 10:51 they must have something similar in argentina. fedex generally incurs a lot less trouble than, say, dhl. 2010-09-27 10:51 life is 1% random, isnt? ;) 2010-09-27 10:56 wolfspraul: did you miss some nanonote with fedex recently? 2010-09-27 10:56 miss/lost 2010-09-27 10:58 no we never use Fedex China 2010-09-27 10:58 ah ok :) 2010-09-27 10:59 I just mention the story because of werner's hilarious kingdom of anythingosia and the democratic bureaucracy of restrictia 2010-09-27 10:59 wolfspraul: after learning about the "deal", will this make you more or less inclined to use fedex ? :) 2010-09-27 11:01 wpwrak: hmm 2010-09-27 11:01 hard to say. no change. if needed I know the system, and it's great that fedex tells the system to their customers. 2010-09-27 11:02 they are not supposed to, their entire building, warehouse, office, reception area, all is fully and officially bugged 2010-09-27 11:02 welcome to the kingdom of anythingosia 2010-09-27 11:03 since I know the system, I would also just send easily replacable (i.e. standard) goods through the system, and write off the 1% without bothering 2010-09-27 11:04 if you think about it, this system is really perfect. exactly fits the needs of all participants :-) 2010-09-27 11:09 yeah. pretty clever indeed :) 2010-09-27 11:13 [commit] Werner Almesberger: ben-bottom-outside2-100um is done. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-scans/252da04 2010-09-27 11:14 wolfspraul: wpwrak is working hard and I can not read comfortable the chat! 2010-09-27 11:19 rafa: why can't you read the chat ? 2010-09-27 11:23 wpwrak: many qi-bots around! 2010-09-27 11:23 just kidding :) 2010-09-27 11:26 wolfspraul: you'll hate to see this one ;-)) http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/bottom.png 2010-09-27 11:27 wow how you got the microsd name in there?? 2010-09-27 11:28 kristianpaul: look at your ben carefullt :) 2010-09-27 11:32 so ... that's about all the "case" parts i can scan: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/ben-scans/ben.jpg 2010-09-27 11:33 i still have the battery and the pcbs to do, though. 2010-09-27 11:34 alas, i don't think i have the metal that goes on the top. well, i could try to scan a cover with it and then subtract. maybe that even works :) 2010-09-27 11:42 wpwrak: yeah yeah. [micro sd] 2010-09-27 11:42 it's a typo 2010-09-27 11:42 it's mean to read 'flash memory card' 2010-09-27 12:29 wpwrak: for crosscopile you blink/poke i just need to export the mipsel_gcc and no more isnt? 2010-09-27 12:29 s/for/to 2010-09-27 12:32 yup. just make CC=whatever 2010-09-27 12:55 wpwrak: I sent you a mail a few hours ago about the measuring thing 2010-09-27 12:56 just to let you know in case the spam filter catches me ;) 2010-09-27 13:03 checking ... 2010-09-27 13:05 nothing there :-( 2010-09-27 13:05 lisandropm: to which address did you sent it ? werner@openmoko.org ? 2010-09-27 13:10 aah, to werner@almesberger.net 2010-09-27 13:14 lisandropm: INTI ... so that would be in buenos aires (capital federal) ? or are they also in bahia blanca. or is this not inti.gob.ar ? 2010-09-27 13:14 Hello all 2010-09-27 13:15 hello viric 2010-09-27 13:15 I'm just trying to run a kernel for 'malta' with a mtdblock I built with the mtdtools in ubifs 2010-09-27 13:15 In qemu 2010-09-27 13:15 The kernel has support for mtd devices, but it shows no mtd devices at boot. I think I have to set up something in the kernel command line 2010-09-27 13:16 Or maybe prepare the file for mtdblock specially. 2010-09-27 13:16 anyone can help me a bit? :) 2010-09-27 13:22 uhm 2010-09-27 13:22 I think the malta machine has no NAND emulation 2010-09-27 13:23 sorry i dont  know 2010-09-27 13:23 what is malta btw? 2010-09-27 13:23 a mips machine 2010-09-27 13:27 lisandropm: i'll be afk for a bit. ~2-3 hours. 2010-09-27 13:57 feeds/packages/libs/libiconv/patches/100-strip_charsets.patch 2010-09-27 13:57 this is just fashist 2010-09-27 13:58 i'm sitting here, trying to figure out why libiconv failes on cp1251 2010-09-27 13:58 for some reason, koi8-r is not stripped 2010-09-27 13:58 though cp1251 is MUCH more used in Russia than koi8-r 2010-09-27 14:00 maybe need to contact iconv maintainer for openwrt, /usr/bin/iconv is also not installed though it is selected 2010-09-27 17:25 btw... 2010-09-27 17:26 I was just reading about NANDs today 2010-09-27 17:26 and the ubifs 'torture test' I was experiencing in the nanonote looks like it tries to wear out nand blocks 2010-09-27 17:26 noone here saw those torture tests in their nns? 2010-09-27 17:30 wpwrak: inti.gob.ar, indeed 2010-09-27 17:30 I don't know *exactly* where they are, but they are in Bs. As. zone 2010-09-27 17:38 lisandropm: they're directly in town and in gran buenos aires. but aren't they a more commercially oriented service ? 2010-09-27 17:39 lisandropm: (that is, for things where they provide a service that's not for the government itself) 2010-09-27 17:55 lisandropm: well, it can't hurt to ask. should i just send a mail to consultas@inti.gob.ar or would you know a better contact ? 2010-09-27 20:04 wpwrak: you should contact  Salvador Eduardo Tropea 2010-09-27 20:05 you may know him from kicad's mailing lists 2010-09-27 20:05 he surely knows you, but you can tell him I told you to contact him 2010-09-27 22:13 I cant believe the only  "GPIO" pin capable of input is the TP38 2010-09-27 22:15 wait a  min, the PORT Function Register if is set to corresponde to the table in wich pins are labeled as out/in 2010-09-27 22:16 _but_ if i set FUCTION to 0 the port becomes GPIO so it can be IN/OUT no mather what said in the table 10-2 ? 2010-09-27 22:16 wpwrak: help ! 2010-09-27 22:17 reads again 2010-09-27 22:20 ahh as always the other datasheet solves the problem :) 2010-09-27 22:20 now why i wired TP26... 2010-09-27 22:23 kristianpaul: yes, for every pin you can choose between a predefined function or using it as a generic I/O pin 2010-09-27 22:24 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: make the changelog maintainer name same as control file. http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/29778e8 2010-09-27 22:25 mth: yeah i was scared ;) 2010-09-27 22:27 mth: do you wich port is TP24 and TP7? 2010-09-27 22:28 are in my list of free pins and also i soldered TP25 now i dont remenber wich port is it.. 2010-09-27 22:29 you mean how to program it or which physical pin on the IC? 2010-09-27 22:29 last 2010-09-27 22:29 TP25 is  GPB30 2010-09-27 22:29 but Tp24?.. 2010-09-27 22:31 see page 14 of jz4740_ds.pdf 2010-09-27 22:32 actually, the tables on page 15 and on are more readable 2010-09-27 22:32 I don't konw where you get the name TP24 from though 2010-09-27 22:32 but how it follow the TP24 track 2010-09-27 22:32 ahh 2010-09-27 22:33 i tought i was asleep 2010-09-27 22:33 heh 2010-09-27 22:48 gn8 2010-09-27 23:15 OK, so... 2010-09-27 23:17 I'm trying to lift the corciutboard out of my NanoNote... 2010-09-27 23:17 and there there seems to be a firm connection between the board and the case at the audio-jack. 2010-09-27 23:18 Am I mistaken, or am I about to break something? 2010-09-27 23:20 hmm 2010-09-27 23:22 there may be a little adhesive somewhere if I remember correctly, around the speaker 2010-09-27 23:22 is that what you mean? 2010-09-27 23:22 the audio jack itself reaches into the plastic, so you have to shift it sideways a bit to pull the board up 2010-09-27 23:22 And is that ribbon-cable actually soldered onto the board? 2010-09-27 23:23 watch the small LED lightguide on the other side - easily lost 2010-09-27 23:23 which ribbon cable? 2010-09-27 23:23 have you disconnected the FPC cable coming from the LCD through the hinge? 2010-09-27 23:23 Not yet. 2010-09-27 23:24 I mean to ask if that's actually possible. 2010-09-27 23:24 the rest is all one piece (at first, the speaker is held with 2 screws to the mainboard) 2010-09-27 23:24 well... do you know what you are doing? :-) (if I may ask) 2010-09-27 23:24 of course everything is possible, but we would not want to break the device in the process.. 2010-09-27 23:24 It certainly appears that the smaller branch of the ribbon-cable is attached to a soldered part. 2010-09-27 23:25 Indeed. 2010-09-27 23:25 I'm trying to dike out the microphone. 2010-09-27 23:25 which ribbon cable? 2010-09-27 23:25 ah, I think the speaker has 2 cables running to the mainboard 2010-09-27 23:25 you mean those? 2010-09-27 23:25 yes they are soldered to the board I believe 2010-09-27 23:26 The only ribon-cable that's apparent to me, right now--coming through the hinge and attaching on tht top of the board next to the microphone. 2010-09-27 23:26 Not the speaker, the microphone :) 2010-09-27 23:27 oh 2010-09-27 23:27 do you call that a 'ribbon cable'? 2010-09-27 23:27 I'm fine with the speaker. 2010-09-27 23:27 that's what I meant with FPC 2010-09-27 23:27 a flat cable 2010-09-27 23:27 Ah, yes. 2010-09-27 23:28 typically called FPC (flat printed circuit) or FFC (flat flexible circuit) 2010-09-27 23:28 the FPC goes into a connector 2010-09-27 23:28 you can lift off the little black part of the connector, then pull it out 2010-09-27 23:28 I see that one part of it does, anyway. 2010-09-27 23:29 but be careful, especially if you are not regularly doing this kind of stuff 2010-09-27 23:29 you need to pull out the fpc away from the connector, not upwards 2010-09-27 23:29 also you need to open the latch of the connector first 2010-09-27 23:29 Right; 2010-09-27 23:29 why do you want to do this in the first place? 2010-09-27 23:30 But the cable is forked--what about the other branch? 2010-09-27 23:31 forked? other branch? 2010-09-27 23:31 don't understand you 2010-09-27 23:31 if I remember correctly there may be a small part of the cable 'forked' and on the side of the connector 2010-09-27 23:31 There's a `no recording devices allowed' policy where I want to use my NanoNote. 2010-09-27 23:31 it has no function, I think 2010-09-27 23:32 yes, that's what I mean. 2010-09-27 23:32 no need to touch the LCM or LCM cable then 2010-09-27 23:32 Oh, hah-- 2010-09-27 23:32 focus on the microphone 2010-09-27 23:32 right, it's not actually connected to anything. 2010-09-27 23:32 Well, I notice that the microphone simply lifts out 2010-09-27 23:33 I don't have an open board in front of me right now. 2010-09-27 23:33 And I could simply snip the wires *right there*. 2010-09-27 23:33 but I think it's right of the LCM cable? 2010-09-27 23:33 yes sure, just take it out 2010-09-27 23:33 should work 2010-09-27 23:34 Seemed like a dubious idea to have those wire-ends floating freely in the case, though. 2010-09-27 23:34 No? 2010-09-27 23:40 Suggestions as to how I should ensure that the freefloating microphone wires don't make conact with something that they shouldn't? 2010-09-27 23:45 not really, maybe someone with more hardware skills has an idea 2010-09-27 23:45 btw, I'm curious: so your place does not allow recording devices 2010-09-27 23:45 but it must be restricted in hardware, not software? 2010-09-27 23:45 Right. 2010-09-27 23:45 if you remove the sound modules from the kernel, that's not enough? 2010-09-27 23:47 I guess what matters is that nobody actually records (if anything matters at all, and the rule is not just to keep the security dept busy). 2010-09-27 23:48 how can anybody check that you physically removed the microphone? 2010-09-27 23:48 you will open the device to show it? 2010-09-27 23:48 If asked. 2010-09-27 23:48 if someone demonstrates that he has hardware hacking skills, doesn't that alone already increase the risk? 2010-09-27 23:49 what if you soldered a new microphone to some free pads elsewhere? 2010-09-27 23:49 Well, what's the converse situation? 2010-09-27 23:50 That I'm asked to hand over the device, it's opened for inspection, and hardware capabilities are discovered. 2010-09-27 23:50 ? 2010-09-27 23:51 I understand. 2010-09-27 23:51 but let's say you have a kernel on the device that has no recording support 2010-09-27 23:51 they don't like that kind of 'restriction' because they cannot check it? 2010-09-27 23:51 or they assume you will fire up your vi editor on the device, hack a new kernel driver, compile and load it into the kernel? 2010-09-27 23:52 It's easier to just dike the hardware out and be able to say `it is physically incapable of recording', and not have to even worry about whether anyone would even be able of appreciating the concept of software `disables'. 2010-09-27 23:55 sure, I don't suggest you argue with them 2010-09-27 23:55 I'm just thinking 2010-09-27 23:55 if I have 2 devices 2010-09-27 23:55 one has a microphone, wires 'clipped off' 2010-09-27 23:55 but software is fully capable of recording 2010-09-27 23:55 the other one has a microphone attached, but no kernel sound support, and no source codes/compiler on it either 2010-09-27 23:55 which one is easier to get to record? 2010-09-27 23:55 I'm not even going to try to fathom how their minds work :) 2010-09-27 23:55 on one, you have to re-attach the wires 2010-09-27 23:56 on the other one, install software (maybe from a microsd card) 2010-09-27 23:57 I've learned to avoid trying too hard to reverse-engineer people's brains. 2010-09-27 23:58 I've encountered some where I'm pretty sure that, if I brought myself to fully appreciate how they thought, I'd become a less capable engineer. 2010-09-27 23:59 I could tell you about the way one of my wife's employers specified schedules for their employees, and both of our IQs would drop by 50 points. 2010-09-27 23:59 ok that's convincing. we stop here. :-) 2010-09-27 23:59 :)