2010-09-15 03:42 Hi, I've just installed alsa-utils alsa-base etc in debian but when I try to use the sound system I get cannot open mixer: No such file or directory, any ideas 2010-09-15 03:42 this is on the bnn btw 2010-09-15 03:53 is the program trying to use the alsa or the oss mixer? 2010-09-15 03:53 you can check with strace which device node it tries to open 2010-09-15 03:57 well I was trying to use alsamixer so I guess alsa 2010-09-15 03:57 kristianpaul: still traveling 2010-09-15 03:57 do I need to copy the modules from the official release?  I have debian on the nand 2010-09-15 03:57 kristianpaul: i will upload the stuff when at hoome 2010-09-15 03:58 kristianpaul: also i think that we will add the wikireader plugin for the gtk1 dictionary in beta4 (without the wikipedia dump, the user will need to download that file) 2010-09-15 03:58 it depends on whether the kernel you're using has alsa in modules or built in 2010-09-15 03:58 does /proc/asound exist? 2010-09-15 03:59 no 2010-09-15 04:00 qwebirc85021: aplay -l  should tell you if you have some sound system in your linux. You can check that first 2010-09-15 04:01 aplay: device_list:235 no soundcards found. . . 2010-09-15 04:01 qwebirc85021: then you need to check your kernel .. which kernel are you using? 2010-09-15 04:02 qwebirc85021: do you have extra modules which you can insmod? 2010-09-15 04:03 if there is no /proc/asound, the alsa drivers are not loaded 2010-09-15 04:03 qwebirc85021: so before to try the alsa tools, etc.. you need to be sure that sound is built inside the kernel or as modules, AND (important) you have the /dev/snd/ /dev/.. etc sound device files created 2010-09-15 04:04 I'm using the kernal from the tutorial to install for the adruino sketch 2010-09-15 04:04 rafa: I think in most distro's the modules get autocreated by the hotplug daemon when the drivers are loaded 2010-09-15 04:06 there is no /dev/snd 2010-09-15 04:07 I don't have connectivity on my nanonote right now but later I was going to do a apt-get dist-upgrade I wonder if that will install the necessary stuff 2010-09-15 04:09 mth: modules? or you mean device files> 2010-09-15 04:09 ? 2010-09-15 04:09 oh whell in the directory /dev/ there is no file or directory called snd 2010-09-15 04:09 rafa: sorry, yes device nodes are created 2010-09-15 04:11 for those of you whose modules are built into the kernal where did you get your kernal 2010-09-15 04:11 sorry 2010-09-15 04:11 I mean who have 2010-09-15 04:11 alsa built into the kernal 2010-09-15 04:12 I have to go because I am at internet cafe and have to go home before weather gets too nasty because I forgot my coat today 2010-09-15 04:13 you have all given me some good ideas and things to reaearch 2010-09-15 04:13 research 2010-09-15 04:13 qwebirc85021: i have sound modules 2010-09-15 04:13 qwebirc85021: if you wantget back i can tell you how to build the kernel only if you need that 2010-09-15 04:13 oh yes I think thats what I need to do 2010-09-15 04:16 is there a wiki entry I can look at about building the kernal? 2010-09-15 04:17 oh Really gotta go now,  I'll be back another time thanks for your help 2010-09-15 04:17 qwebirc85021: http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/muffinman/documentation/kernel-nn.txt 2010-09-15 04:17 cool 2010-09-15 04:17 qwebirc85021: i have some notes more for jlime.. but those are general .. so you can use any toolchain 2010-09-15 04:18 I will track you down if I I have any more qs 2010-09-15 04:18 qwebirc85021: no problem 2010-09-15 04:44 xiangfu: sometimes my builds are failing because a source tarball cannot be downloaded 2010-09-15 04:45 I noticed OpenWrt uses a mirror system, but that won't help for the packages in the openwrt-packages respository 2010-09-15 04:45 wolfspraul: yes. because you are in China. 2010-09-15 04:45 so I suggest this: we add a file scripts/localmirrors to openwrt-xburst, and point it to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/sources 2010-09-15 04:45 xiangfu: no, not china. I also have this problem on the buildhost machine in Bavaria :-) 2010-09-15 04:46 the problem is that for all new applications we are bringing into openwrt, the ones in openwrt-packages.git on the qi server, there is no functioning mirror 2010-09-15 04:46 so my plan is to upload all sources from the dl/ folder into downloads.qi-hardware.com/sources (same as OpenWrt) 2010-09-15 04:46 and then add a scripts/localmirrors file pointing to that URL 2010-09-15 04:46 what do you think? does this sound good? 2010-09-15 04:47 sure. 2010-09-15 04:49 well we have to be careful that it is in line with the OpenWrt policies, general free software ideas and the GPL 2010-09-15 04:49 but I think it should be OK. if I misunderstand something in the mirror system let me know, I'll set it up like this for now 2010-09-15 04:51 xiangfu: hmm. maybe localmirrors is not good because it will always try that first, thinking 'local' == 'fastest' 2010-09-15 04:52 well there is no other way to get it in, unless we patch download.pl 2010-09-15 04:53 I will try scripts/localmirrors for now, I think the mirrors are only invoked if the true upstream URL fails, so might as well try the Qi server first... 2010-09-15 04:59 wolfspraul: I found there is a "LOCALMIRROR" in 'menuconfig' 2010-09-15 04:59 wolfspraul: yes. seems it will alwyas try localmirror first. 2010-09-15 06:41 well, isn't that the primary purpose of local mirrors? 2010-09-15 06:42 plus I seem to remember you have to rsync on a regular schedule 2010-09-15 06:44 weren't there extensive discussions about that on #openmoko-cdevel, about how to mirror the bearstech servers as they frequently were down? 2010-09-15 07:20 countdown for NanoNote Nanoware Especial edition, 1h 15m left for launching. 2010-09-15 07:21 you can ejoy 20mins demo video here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Walktrhough_QHBNNNWTEE.ogv 2010-09-15 07:23 rafa: sure i have lots of dumps here :) 2010-09-15 07:37 looking the video :) 2010-09-15 08:08 tuxbrain2, nice :) 2010-09-15 08:09 good that it has a GUI in the end, even if Xorg-based 2010-09-15 08:11 hehehe, thanks lekernel :) comming from you this words are music to my ears :) 2010-09-15 08:12 count down 20 mins 2010-09-15 08:13 Tuxbrain<->Nanowar in sync for the launching 2010-09-15 09:16 tuxbrain2: felicitats! T'ha quedat de collons 2010-09-15 09:17 gracies :) 2010-09-15 09:39 tuxbrain2: bien  por el video :) 2010-09-15 10:31 must leave! spread spread 2010-09-15 10:42 bartbes: are you online?  I want to ask you about the wordgrinder port in qi-packages. 2010-09-15 10:42 epic timing 2010-09-15 10:42 yes, I am 2010-09-15 10:42 huzzah! 2010-09-15 10:42 or am I? 2010-09-15 10:42 I see wordgrinder marked broken for 30 days. 2010-09-15 10:42 oh heh 2010-09-15 10:42 the commit message says waiting for an upstream patch to curses. 2010-09-15 10:42 can you give me the backstory? 2010-09-15 10:42 well, that upstream patch is there, I believe 2010-09-15 10:43 but in some mysterious way my patchfile broke 2010-09-15 10:43 and... I got distracted 2010-09-15 10:43 May I offer to work on this port for you? 2010-09-15 10:43 well, why not 2010-09-15 10:43 actually 2010-09-15 10:43 you only need to fix the patch file 2010-09-15 10:43 and then it runs 2010-09-15 10:43 the menus themselves would need to be optimized 2010-09-15 10:44 but otherwise, it works 2010-09-15 10:44 they are too large on this device? 2010-09-15 10:44 it has been on my nn for a month now ;) 2010-09-15 10:44 yeah 2010-09-15 10:44 though maybe the new console font fixes a lot of that 2010-09-15 10:44 can you tell me what problem you had that caused you to mark it broken? 2010-09-15 10:44 so I can be aware if I see it. 2010-09-15 10:44 well, I was waiting for that upstream patch 2010-09-15 10:44 which was applied about 3 days later, I believe 2010-09-15 10:45 I'm running an old image, I may not have this fix. 2010-09-15 10:45 the fix is in one of the packages 2010-09-15 10:45 I won't be able to update my image until next week, alas. 2010-09-15 10:45 oh, better.  Which one?  curses? 2010-09-15 10:45 yes 2010-09-15 10:45 ncursesw was needed 2010-09-15 10:46 so I did some poking around 2010-09-15 10:46 got it to build 2010-09-15 10:46 worked on it with one of the openwrt guys 2010-09-15 10:46 til it integrated nicely with ncurses itself 2010-09-15 10:46 and then he committed it, though delayed 2010-09-15 10:46 iirc, that is 2010-09-15 10:46 :P 2010-09-15 10:46 ^_^ 2010-09-15 10:48 if you want I can look into the patch file myself 2010-09-15 10:48 (basically I'd just create a new one) 2010-09-15 10:48 I started already.  I remember reviewing the patch and seeing it was reasonably simple. 2010-09-15 10:49 it sure is 2010-09-15 10:49 I just needed to change the build configuration a little 2010-09-15 10:50 After today I'm going to be away from my computer for four days.  I'll only have my NanoNote, and I'd like to have wordgrinder so I can experiment with writing on the NanoNote. 2010-09-15 10:50 So hearing that it is a simple fix, I'm going to work on fixing it today to meet my deadline. 2010-09-15 10:50 look!  A patch failure! 2010-09-15 10:50 I know I can run package/$PACKAGE/prepare 2010-09-15 10:51 but I sure would like to split that into untar/patch 2010-09-15 10:51 so I can do the patch stage myself at times like this... 2010-09-15 10:51 yeah, I know the patch failed 2010-09-15 10:51 *grumbles* 2010-09-15 10:51 that's what I've been telling you 2010-09-15 10:51 also, I saw no obvious reason why 2010-09-15 10:51 ;) 2010-09-15 10:52 http://somuchpun.com/2010/09/15/funny-puns-meatsicle/ 2010-09-15 10:52 YEAH 2010-09-15 10:52 I succeeded! 2010-09-15 10:52 also, I managed to make someone upset 2010-09-15 10:52 troll bonus points for me 2010-09-15 10:53 DeadBob wins the subtle troll award... 2010-09-15 10:53 Or the idiot award, it is never clear. 2010-09-15 10:58 bartbes: I think someone updated wordgrinder-0.3.3 without bumping the release number. 2010-09-15 10:58 Does openwrt track md5/sha1 sums on upstream data? 2010-09-15 10:58 that may very well be the case 2010-09-15 10:58 but that guy should be kicked in the teeth 2010-09-15 10:58 wait, what? 2010-09-15 10:59 Since teeth kicking is illegal in some places and inconvenient most others, I propose instead we verify incoming data. 2010-09-15 10:59 Namely, 2010-09-15 10:59 if we have an upstream tarball, compute the md5/sha1 and stick that in the Makefile. 2010-09-15 10:59 well, yeah 2010-09-15 10:59 it's standard practice 2010-09-15 10:59 and then compare the download in the future. 2010-09-15 10:59 but since it was broken I didn't bother to put it in yet 2010-09-15 11:00 ah, wonderful. 2010-09-15 11:01 the number of context lines in your udiff is unusually large. 2010-09-15 11:01 Do you set a high default, or are you using a diff tool different from the diff tool I'm using? 2010-09-15 11:01 diff/different/diff? 2010-09-15 11:01 I just use diff -Naur 2010-09-15 11:01 iirc 2010-09-15 11:01 though that might have been for something else 2010-09-15 11:02 dude, you don't want to rely on my memory ;) 2010-09-15 11:02 Haha, developing my own memory is why I bought a NanoNote: 2010-09-15 11:02 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/User:Alanpost/Why 2010-09-15 11:02 you need not read that if you're not engaged, I found your comment funny so provide context. 2010-09-15 11:03 that 2010-09-15 11:03 I can only reply with 2010-09-15 11:03 tl;dr 2010-09-15 11:03 hooray! 2010-09-15 11:03 I read something about oral 2010-09-15 11:03 so now I have reason to derail this entire channel 2010-09-15 11:04 *laughs* 2010-09-15 11:04 you should've seen what I did to #omg!ubuntu! yesterday 2010-09-15 11:05 I took over the entire channel 2010-09-15 11:06 In theory my extreme focus on being serious prevents me from giving you support with that much information. 2010-09-15 11:07 At the sime time, I'm sure it was fun. 2010-09-15 11:08 it sure was 2010-09-15 11:11 I've updated your pmfile patch on wordgrinder, it applies cleanly again, and I'm running the build now. 2010-09-15 11:12 great 2010-09-15 11:35 [commit] Alan Post: update the wordgrinder-0.3.3 patch. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/77694b3 2010-09-15 11:37 aisa: I guess that means it works? 2010-09-15 11:38 I haven't run it on my device yet, doing that now. 2010-09-15 11:38 It compiles :-) 2010-09-15 11:40 also, how easy is it to run a gp2x game on the nn? 2010-09-15 11:48 bartbes: I get a segfault somewhere initializing the terminal. 2010-09-15 11:48 did you install the new ncurses package? 2010-09-15 11:48 it leaves the terminal a mess, so I have to log out. 2010-09-15 11:48 I installed the one I built, libncurses5w. 2010-09-15 11:48 (and ncursesw) 2010-09-15 11:48 I mean plain ncurses too 2010-09-15 11:49 I probably didn't get that one. 2010-09-15 11:49 (it built too, because it is a dep of ncursesw) 2010-09-15 11:50 ok, libncurses updated from 5.7-2 to 5.7-3, same error. 2010-09-15 11:50 though I should perhaps try rebooting the machine... 2010-09-15 11:52 bartbes: it is the same, alas. 2010-09-15 11:52 :( 2010-09-15 11:52 I guess I should rebuild and see for myself then 2010-09-15 11:52 Thank you, I would appreciate knowing how it behaves for you. 2010-09-15 11:53 well, if upstream did in fact change it in place 2010-09-15 11:54 the changes could be the thing killing it 2010-09-15 11:54 Looking at the differences between your patch and mine, 2010-09-15 11:54 there are only whitespace changes. 2010-09-15 11:54 the reason your patch wasn't applying cleanly was difference in whitespace in context lines. 2010-09-15 11:54 I got that from reading the diff, yes 2010-09-15 11:55 It doesn't prove this isn't true, but I do wonder if that was why it was updated in place, 2010-09-15 11:55 to fix source code problems that didn't show up in the executable. 2010-09-15 11:57 orly? 2010-09-15 11:57 (not to be taken seriously) 2010-09-15 11:57 it would be weird, yes 2010-09-15 11:57 it is a guess, and not a particularly useful one. 2010-09-15 11:59 well, it's compiling 2010-09-15 11:59 or well, preparing to compile 2010-09-15 11:59 which always seems like that's the thing taking the longest 2010-09-15 11:59 I'm glad it is one step further than it was yesterday. 2010-09-15 11:59 ... I forgot to select it 2010-09-15 11:59 ha!  right.  That annoys me, that you say "do this to this package" and it comes back and says "you couldn't possibly mean that..." 2010-09-15 12:00 SHUT UP COMPUTER AND DO AS I SAY! 2010-09-15 12:00 "WARNING: Totally ignoring what you said" 2010-09-15 12:00 now ehm 2010-09-15 12:00 where in the menu was it 2010-09-15 12:00 utilities => editor 2010-09-15 12:01 and remember lua too, in languages=>lua 2010-09-15 12:01 not.. there 2010-09-15 12:01 ./scripts/feeds install -a ? 2010-09-15 12:01 yeah, i guess that is needed then 2010-09-15 12:08 aisa: gtg, sorry 2010-09-15 12:08 Thank you for your help today, I really appreciate it. 2010-09-15 12:09 thank you for allowing me to be productive without doing anything ;) 2010-09-15 12:09 Anytime! 2010-09-15 13:00 tuxbrain_away: heya ! i see that you got the counterweights ! :) one thing you want to check is the plastic glued on them. i'm not entirely sure of the glue i used. if any fell off, just glue them back on. 2010-09-15 15:54 nanowar 2010-09-15 15:55 amaizing stuff and band 2010-09-15 16:00 and jlime :) 2010-09-15 16:02 yeh, hehe but it seems that the nanowar has a really complete multimedia stuff of the band 2010-09-15 16:03 so it has a lot of hours of fun 2010-09-15 16:15 :p 2010-09-15 17:29 aisa: did I just read you have a problem with cmake? 2010-09-15 17:29 in a manner of speaking, yes. 2010-09-15 17:29 well, I doubt I'm using any new features 2010-09-15 17:29 so please try lowering the version 2010-09-15 17:29 I am running debian 5.0, which includes cmake 2.6 2010-09-15 17:29 and nlove asks for 2.8. 2010-09-15 17:29 oh, wonderful, I will try this. 2010-09-15 17:29 It would be personally convenient to me if we could use a stable debian as a build platform, 2010-09-15 17:30 but I realize this gets harder to do as the years go by. 2010-09-15 17:30 years between releases, that is. 2010-09-15 17:30 the biggest problem I have with 'the debian way' is that you always get stuck with old packages 2010-09-15 17:30 which is especially annoying when talking about stuff like firefox 2010-09-15 17:31 (or chromium, which is developing even faster) 2010-09-15 17:32 I strongly suspect I'll be running testing because of this, 2010-09-15 17:32 I can't imagine a group of package maintainers settling for debian's release schedule. 2010-09-15 20:07 hey guys 2010-09-15 20:07 trying to reflash my ben using usb boot and I run to a problem on the last step 2010-09-15 20:07 nprog 2048 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi 0 0 -n 2010-09-15 20:07 that command gives me an error 2010-09-15 20:07 Usage: nprog (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)  (1)start page number  (2)image file name  (3)device index number  (4)flash index number  (5) image type must be:  -n:no oob  -o:with oob no ecc  -e:with oob and ecc 2010-09-15 20:07 can someone PLEASE help?? 2010-09-15 20:13 anyone? :/ 2010-09-15 20:14 elricsfate: please 2010-09-15 20:15 give us the complete command tht you are trying 2010-09-15 20:15 elricsfate: i guess that it should be : 2010-09-15 20:16 usbboot -c "nprog 2048 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi 0 0 -n" 2010-09-15 20:16 are you using "? 2010-09-15 20:17 "  " 2010-09-15 20:50 just noticed that 2010-09-15 20:50 working now 2010-09-15 20:53 any OS suggestions for the nano note? Thinking about switching over to Debian 2010-09-15 22:22 rafa: the problem with usbboot is that there seems to be a bug in the parser. i got the same error. i worked around it by renaming the file. not sure if this is fixed already. the usbboot i have is from march. 2010-09-15 22:28 xiangfu: heya ! do you know who's in charge of usbboot ? 2010-09-15 22:28 wpwrak: me. :) 2010-09-15 22:28 gotcha ! ;-)) 2010-09-15 22:29 there seems to be a problem with the parser. when someone follows the flash instructions, the last command, flashing the .ubi file, fails with 2010-09-15 22:30 (looking up the error message ...) 2010-09-15 22:30 "not enough argument." 2010-09-15 22:31 interestingly, it works after renaming the .ubi file, e.g., to "foo" 2010-09-15 22:32 now, i used the may 5 version. i looked at the changelog, and i saw that there was some command line parser change later in may. 2010-09-15 22:32 do you think this solved also this issue ? 2010-09-15 22:32 i.e., are you using the process described on http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_with_usbboot yourself ? 2010-09-15 22:33 wpwrak: I think  it solved this issue. I remember someone have report this issue to me. and we have fixed that in last version 2010-09-15 22:33 wpwrak: can you test with : "xburst-tools_201007-1.tar.bz2" 2010-09-15 22:34 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/ 2010-09-15 22:34 hmm, that's the .deb i used 2010-09-15 22:35 (or .tar, don't remember which one it was) 2010-09-15 22:35 maybe the precompiled packages need updating ? 2010-09-15 22:35 "elricsfate" also ran into the same problem today 2010-09-15 22:37 err .. no, must have been the .deb that i used, obviously :) 2010-09-15 22:39 wpwrak: ok. I will update the deb packge. when I have time today. 2010-09-15 22:40 perfect. thanks ! 2010-09-15 22:42 ah, and do you know who's in charge of gmenu2x ? that one is still messing with the clocks :-( 2010-09-15 23:08 wpwrak: I don't know about gmen2x. seems no one in charge of it. :) 2010-09-15 23:41 xiangfu: heh, that may explain a few things ;-) 2010-09-15 23:43 xiangfu: but you git it from upstream right? 2010-09-15 23:43 cause i noticed some improvements in the gmenu before the uclib reverse 2010-09-15 23:44 or may be they we're already there and i just discover it later.. 2010-09-15 23:44 kristianpaul: yes. the gmenu2x is git clone from upstream. 2010-09-15 23:44 wpwrak: so you have somebody(ies) to ask finally :) 2010-09-15 23:58 kristianpaul: hmm. then i need to find out who sent upstream patches to mess up the ben. 2010-09-15 23:59 kristianpaul: these crude hacks are definitely ben-specific.