2010-09-05 00:00 but whether it is still meaningful is up to those people to decide, the FSF is focused :-) 2010-09-05 00:00 wolfspraul: they would be too close to "linking" 2010-09-05 00:00 I think Lattice wants to allow others to combine their part with closed stuff. 2010-09-05 00:00 not that we would need that, but that's how I understand the Lattice license. 2010-09-05 00:01 do lattice say their license is "GPL" ? 2010-09-05 00:01 oh my god, no 2010-09-05 00:01 good :) 2010-09-05 00:01 they tried to write a BSD-style license, and clarify a few things that are quite unusual in the IC world 2010-09-05 00:01 that's why they clarify the manufacturing stuff 2010-09-05 00:02 and specifically mention fpga and asic as being allowed 2010-09-05 00:02 the export control paragraph is definitely not gpl compatible, if gpl compatibility even matters 2010-09-05 00:03 not sure whether they can just remove that paragraph, or whether they are forced to keep it in? it's probably quite a big thing for them to remove it, I could imagine 2010-09-05 00:03 will look like they support the terrorists, who has the guts to stand up against that nonsense nowadays 2010-09-05 00:08 ;-))) 2010-09-05 00:09 i'm not so sure whether things like the export control paragraph are really needed. they would go under the umbrella of "you're still bound by all other applicable laws". e.g., if make a GPL/CC/whatever gun design and my license doesn't mention that you shouldn't shoot people with it, that does't mean that you're now in possession of a license to kill. 2010-09-05 00:11 yes sure, I'm not a lawyer 2010-09-05 00:11 you can argue all this in endless ways 2010-09-05 00:11 I think what Milkymist does is exactly what Lattice wanted to allow 2010-09-05 00:11 similarly, lattice are not in a position to grant you exemption from US export law. so it would probably be sufficient to mention that the code is covered by US export law, but unless these laws explicitly require you to state so, you don't have to say what the law requires. 2010-09-05 00:12 that is crystal clear obvious to me if I read the entire license and try to think about what they wanted to say. 2010-09-05 00:12 sounds fair to me 2010-09-05 00:12 and if they say I have the right to "create derivative works", to me that obviously includes the right to run it in a simulator 2010-09-05 00:12 how else can I 'create' a derivative work? will it fall from the sky one day? 2010-09-05 00:13 it's so funny that you go through this and try to think what they did _not_ mention 2010-09-05 00:13 which of course is a lot! 2010-09-05 00:13 hey, it's infinite! 2010-09-05 00:14 instead of them adding more words to list more obvious rights, I would rather want them to remove some words, make it shorter. Like you suggested with the export control paragraph (good idea btw!). 2010-09-05 00:24 the "they did not mention" argument is unfortunately also valid 2010-09-05 00:24 sometimes, that's where the catches are :-( 2010-09-05 00:26 of course. but someone has to make a judgment, is there a catch or not. 2010-09-05 00:26 remember the fear tax? 2010-09-05 00:26 read the license, make a judgment. I am telling you, in terms of running these sources in simulators, there is no catch. 2010-09-05 00:27 yeah. i wouldn't worry about simulators so much. more about implementing on other people's silicon. 2010-09-05 00:27 it specifically lists fpga and asic 2010-09-05 00:28 i'm telling you - the more they would write the more suspicious you would become. "why are they writing so much?" "what are they _not_ writing?" :-) 2010-09-05 00:29 ;-) 2010-09-05 00:29 there's no upper bound for paranoia :) 2010-09-05 00:29 I think the model Lattice has in mind is to have an open core that is 'totally free', i.e. they did not plan or foresee any direct revenue stream out of this 2010-09-05 00:29 then they have proprietary stuff around it 2010-09-05 00:29 nobody can manufacture anything without adding proprietary IP anyway 2010-09-05 00:30 that's a bit of a problem with a gpl-style license 2010-09-05 00:30 anyway, gotta run 2010-09-05 00:30 I need to talk with some Lattice people find out how this Mico32 core even started. 2010-09-05 00:30 cu 2010-09-05 00:30 i'll follow the outcome of the flame war later :) 2010-09-05 00:30 (talk to lattice) good idea, yes 2010-09-05 00:31 but now there is MM SoC like of competence for this missing free other cores btw, sure they may not care... 2010-09-05 01:43 :) 2010-09-05 02:31 off bed 2010-09-05 02:58 wait a sec.. 2010-09-05 02:58 who marked wordgrinder as broken? 2010-09-05 02:59 xiangfu.. get in here.. 2010-09-05 03:10 bartbes: you think it should work? 2010-09-05 03:10 it's on my nn 2010-09-05 03:10 working 2010-09-05 03:10 I mean.. it compiles and runs.. 2010-09-05 03:10 oh I'm sure all of these packages worked at some point, for someone 2010-09-05 03:10 it's just that we try to get them all together into one image, which seems a bit hard 2010-09-05 03:11 I haven't reflashed xiangfu's new image yet, will do now... 2010-09-05 03:11 but why is it broken, I ask 2010-09-05 03:11 oh, and another thing is, what does point 4 mean? 2010-09-05 03:11 "no needs include, openwrt build system will take care of them." 2010-09-05 03:11 probably someone compiled, got an error, and instead of fixing the error just marked it broken 2010-09-05 03:11 will they be in an ipkg repo? 2010-09-05 03:12 well, it might be 2010-09-05 03:12 no I think they will be in the image, otherwise how can the apps work? 2010-09-05 03:12 that the person who marked it as broken 2010-09-05 03:12 wolfspraul: i did the clock is broken 2010-09-05 03:12 didn't had the newest version of ncurses 2010-09-05 03:12 i cant find out wuick gmu 2010-09-05 03:12 because it was fixed upstream 2010-09-05 03:12 alt + enter didnt worked.. 2010-09-05 03:12 new gmu icon is nice also qi wallpaper 2010-09-05 03:12 ok one by one 2010-09-05 03:13 I need a new image for the 1k nanos I have to reflash in a week or so 2010-09-05 03:13 bartbes: can we get some love games in? 2010-09-05 03:13 oops.. I must've forgotten to unmark it :P 2010-09-05 03:13 let me check if ncurses made it upstream yet 2010-09-05 03:13 it did, cool 2010-09-05 03:14 then let's see if it compiles 2010-09-05 03:15 wolfspraul: because I have no dummies yet, most games will fail to run 2010-09-05 03:15 I should really continue work on love.audio... 2010-09-05 03:15 oh OK 2010-09-05 03:15 so maybe too late for this run, let's see. still have a bit of time. if not we get it in later... 2010-09-05 03:15 good now i have a better looking serial connector :) 2010-09-05 03:17 my reprap is fixed :) 2010-09-05 03:17 tiem to sleep ! 2010-09-05 03:17 gn8 all (now is tru) 2010-09-05 03:18 do note that love.audio and love.sound are the only 2 modules that still need to be ported 2010-09-05 04:27 hmm 2010-09-05 04:27 is there a way to build a package without marking it? 2010-09-05 05:01 wolfspraul: I gave up on love.audio.sdl for now, so I made sure it just uses the null audio module (a dummy fallback one already present in the full version) 2010-09-05 05:01 and I disabled love.sound 2010-09-05 05:01 so no music and sfx for now.. 2010-09-05 05:01 but at least something running 2010-09-05 05:01 now to write a demo game 2010-09-05 05:04 nice, that's a good start 2010-09-05 05:11 wolfspraul: want me to send you the makefile+patches (or the ipk, whatever you prefer) so you can test yourself? 2010-09-05 05:13 hmm time for coffee, I might think of a game at the same time 2010-09-05 05:13 he 2010-09-05 05:13 I am still downloading xiangfu's image 2010-09-05 05:30 that's.. fast 2010-09-05 05:33 I'm behind an openvpn channel and happy about every byte that reaches the free Internet :-) 2010-09-05 05:35 :P 2010-09-05 06:17 do you know a way to see *why* a diff fails to apply? 2010-09-05 07:35 wolfspraul: I created a small pong game 2010-09-05 07:35 to demonstrate nlove 2010-09-05 07:35 it's nice 2010-09-05 07:36 but of course I *have* to improve the gameplay a bit.. 2010-09-05 07:36 ugh 2010-09-05 07:36 cool 2010-09-05 07:40 so should I send you a makefile or an ipk of nlove (and the npong .love (game file)) 2010-09-05 07:46 bartbes: if you have a Makefile, why not just commit it into openwrt-packages? 2010-09-05 07:46 because it's hosted on my own comp 2010-09-05 07:46 which will not be up all day 2010-09-05 07:47 (the nlove source) 2010-09-05 08:23 you can include the code in the package 2010-09-05 08:24 I.. can? 2010-09-05 08:43 well, you can put any files you like besides the Makefile and then copy them instead of extracting an archive 2010-09-05 08:45 http://pastebin.com/cf3nx9v0 and then put your code into ./src 2010-09-05 08:46 is CP already set by openwrt (and to cp -r)? 2010-09-05 08:46 yes 2010-09-05 08:47 and PKG_SOURCE and friends unset I guess 2010-09-05 08:47 or... they aren't read anyway 2010-09-05 08:48 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [snownews] update Makefile EXTRA_CFLAGS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9c8ef96 2010-09-05 08:49 :O 2010-09-05 08:49 are you sure you want that buttload of files in the repo? 2010-09-05 08:49 because it's a *lot* 2010-09-05 08:50 if its source and not geneated binary data it belongs in the repo *ducks* 2010-09-05 08:50 +r 2010-09-05 08:51 but we're talking 355 files here 2010-09-05 08:52 oh I can just as well put it on dropbox.. 2010-09-05 08:52 do they belong to the game? i mean.. does one need them to play? 2010-09-05 08:52 they are the engine 2010-09-05 08:52 355 files is nothing. the kernel has thousands of files 2010-09-05 08:52 put them into the repo 2010-09-05 08:53 the game itself is 2 files 2010-09-05 08:53 :P 2010-09-05 08:53 1.1KB 2010-09-05 08:54 on our hackspace svn we even add the pdf of schematics to svn a lot. to make people able to view the schematics without invoking eagle/whatever 2010-09-05 08:55 its more important to 'keep stuff you need to work with something' together than if its 'perfectly' stored in a technical sense. worst case it eats a mbyte of diskspace. so what. nobody cares about such a thing anymore 2010-09-05 08:57 runs a test compile 2010-09-05 09:00 well, it built 2010-09-05 09:05 [commit] bartbes: Added nlove package http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1b84af0 2010-09-05 09:07 btw, xiangfu, I have some questions about your image email 2010-09-05 09:07 bartbes: ok. 2010-09-05 09:08 what is category 4 for? 2010-09-05 09:10 this: "4. no needs include, openwrt build system will take care of them." 2010-09-05 09:10 bartbes: I just want list all package in openwrt-package.git. 2010-09-05 09:11 bartbes: the category 4 is all libs package. 2010-09-05 09:11 hmm yes, but how will you obtain them 2010-09-05 09:11 manually built? 2010-09-05 09:11 or opkg? 2010-09-05 09:13 bartbes: is other package need those package. the openwrt will build them automatic. 2010-09-05 09:13 is other package need those libs-package. 2010-09-05 09:15 oh I see 2010-09-05 09:16 also, do you happen to know how you can see *why* a patch is failing 2010-09-05 09:16 because I'm sure it worked before.. 2010-09-05 09:21 bartbes: yes I met that issue before, because the package have update to new version. then the old patch will failing. 2010-09-05 09:21 but it should still be downloading the old one 2010-09-05 09:21 I never changed the version number 2010-09-05 09:22 wolfspraul: btw, I just committed nlove 2010-09-05 09:24 xiangfu: oh and gmenu2x works now, righ? 2010-09-05 09:24 xiangfu: yes. 2010-09-05 09:24 talking to yourself.. that's interesting 2010-09-05 09:24 and sdl? 2010-09-05 09:26 (sorry. wrong name :)) 2010-09-05 09:28 bartbes: how to test sdl? the imgv works fine 2010-09-05 09:29 well, no idea 2010-09-05 09:29 I never even ran the previous image because they said sdl didn't work 2010-09-05 09:32 xiangfu: I think imgv uses sdl, so it should work 2010-09-05 09:32 if bartbes already committed nlove, just try that one. if that works the whole love thing should work, right? 2010-09-05 09:33 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add some wallpapers http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/09e31c1 2010-09-05 09:33 that *is* love 2010-09-05 09:33 how can we not see the love? yes, it's love! 2010-09-05 09:33 the pong game I made is just the single file here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/440010/nlove/npong.love 2010-09-05 09:33 if you run that with nlove you can play it 2010-09-05 09:35 hm.. what license are these wallpapers? 2010-09-05 09:36 good point about the wallpaper licenses... 2010-09-05 09:36 not only wallpapers.. any icon etc poses danger if thats not clear := 2010-09-05 09:36 roh: I search it in Internet, I can't find the wallpaper licenses. :( 2010-09-05 09:36 irgh 2010-09-05 09:37 no license -> dont use. default means copyrighted 2010-09-05 09:37 roh: ok. 2010-09-05 09:37 roh: thanks :) 2010-09-05 09:37 hmm 2010-09-05 09:38 no worries.. i just have seen too many friends get into trouble because of simple things like that. 2010-09-05 09:38 larsc: you were the guy I worked on ncursesw with, right? 2010-09-05 09:38 xiangfu: he, for sure. You need to delete those images. 2010-09-05 09:39 roh: which licenses do you think are acceptable? 2010-09-05 09:39 CC0 :P 2010-09-05 09:39 xiangfu: on flickr, you can seach for licenses with a cc-by or cc-by-sa license 2010-09-05 09:39 there are tons of nice pictures on flickr, just watch out when you search you click the cc checkboxes and make sure to also select 'commercially usable' and 'allow derivative works' 2010-09-05 09:40 xiangfu search for stuff which is by-sa or so 2010-09-05 09:40 bartbes: do you think cc-by or cc-by-sa are good? 2010-09-05 09:40 ehm.. why me? 2010-09-05 09:40 xiangfu: a second source is the Wikimedia Commons archive 2010-09-05 09:40 wolfspraul: thanks. 2010-09-05 09:40 bartbes: because you said CC0 2010-09-05 09:40 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add config.2010-09-05 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b0f0f8c 2010-09-05 09:40 wolfspraul any license which allows redistribution and has clauses one can adhere to. like cc. 2010-09-05 09:41 oh that was mostly a joke 2010-09-05 09:41 sure, but I think we should also stay away from the -nc and -nd cc variants (non-commerical and no-derivatives) 2010-09-05 09:41 anyway, if you do use a cc-by-* remember you need to give attribution 2010-09-05 09:41 true, good point! 2010-09-05 09:42 anyway, I figured I should create a vid for npong 2010-09-05 09:42 so the nicknames or such might need to be added to the about box text 2010-09-05 09:42 roh: thanks , just revert the commit of gmenu2x 2010-09-05 09:42 bartbes yes. any idea what that means in reality? link to the author in the commitlog and the package-details? 2010-09-05 09:42 xiangfu: I think all pictures on Wikimedia Commons should be OK, I think Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair-use stuff. 2010-09-05 09:42 but the easiest to find nice pictures is flickr, like I said just watch the CC checkboxes. and don't forget to put the attribution somewhere. 2010-09-05 09:42 then it's perfect I think 2010-09-05 09:43 roh: that is always hard to decide 2010-09-05 09:43 in source distributions the copyright notice itself is good enough 2010-09-05 09:43 in binary distributions however.. 2010-09-05 09:43 bartbes i think its one of the difficult points of cc licensing. on source its quite clear since its 'uniform' in distribution. on cc stuff you never know if its paper, file or whatever 2010-09-05 09:43 well, I guess if you simply put a LICENSES file next to the wallpapers containing all licenses you'll be fine 2010-09-05 09:44 true. 2010-09-05 09:44 also if they are watermarked, I doubt they'll like it if you remove that :P 2010-09-05 09:44 bartbes: ncursesw, yes 2010-09-05 09:44 xiangfu: I don't think we should commit a "config.2010-09-05" file. we have a revision history for these things. 2010-09-05 09:44 (which I always do in my wallpapers, can't stand it) 2010-09-05 09:45 larsc: well, wordgrinder doesn't show up in the menu, so I figured it might be on of the deps 2010-09-05 09:45 bartbes hehe.. if they are watermarked, its a bad wallpaper 2010-09-05 09:45 it's just "config", but then you copy that file into the image download directory same as mirko did with his images 2010-09-05 09:45 so is libncursesw correct> 2010-09-05 09:45 wolfspraul: I have remove some commit for build this commit. 2010-09-05 09:45 roh: nobody said they were originally meant as wallpapers 2010-09-05 09:45 I always use porn! :P 2010-09-05 09:45 wolfspraul: sorry, I have remove some commit for build this image. 2010-09-05 09:46 wolfspraul: I just now sure if I will commit those revert . see email attach. 2010-09-05 09:46 only locally? 2010-09-05 09:46 looks for an empty desk somewhere 2010-09-05 09:46 sure why not - commit it I'd say 2010-09-05 09:46 the openwrt-xburst repository is our base to create reproducible images and package feeds 2010-09-05 09:47 if you create images based on locally modified stuff that you don't plan to commit, not even to openwrt-xburst, then it will end in chaos 2010-09-05 09:48 also like I said, that config file name should just be "config", not "config.2010-09-05". the filename with date in it makes no sense to me - what is the point? 2010-09-05 09:48 wolfspraul: those commit is create by Mirko. and it's all about 0.9.32. so I guess even don't touch those commit, just modify the .config file is enough. 2010-09-05 09:49 mirko is on vacation and I don't want to bug him - it seems he is having a great time in Bali. I doubt we can mess up openwrt-xburst so badly that it can't be fixed when he's back next month... 2010-09-05 09:49 xiangfu: the config file will only enable or disable options and packages. how does that relate to commits? 2010-09-05 09:49 http://www.antenne.cc/23C3/Wallpaper/23c3_320x240px_23.jpg ;) 2010-09-05 09:50 you are reverting commits locally, then building. nobody can reproduce those images I would think, right? 2010-09-05 09:50 i got a custom variant of http://www.antenne.cc/23C3/23C3_Saver-OSX-shot_320x240.jpg from her, which i still use 2010-09-05 09:50 what's the point of publishing the config file then, if it's based upon reverted commits that nobody else can reproduce? 2010-09-05 09:50 but i seem not to be able to find it online 2010-09-05 09:51 xiangfu: let me ask you the other way round - what is wrong about reverting (and committing the reverts) in openwrt-xburst? 2010-09-05 09:51 if that fixes the sdl problems, and goes back to a more stable base? 2010-09-05 09:53 wolfspraul: I just never revert other people commit without let him know :) 2010-09-05 09:54 wolfspraul: I just found we don't need to revert those commits. 2010-09-05 09:55 xiangfu: in this case, I think we can easily explain that we valued mirko's quality time in Bali over getting his opinion on these reverts, and that it is in openwrt-xburst only anyway, and not in openwrt upstream. 2010-09-05 09:55 dude.. 2010-09-05 09:55 (if you now don't even need to revert, even better) 2010-09-05 09:55 have you ever seen your own fingers type on a keyboard 2010-09-05 09:55 that is so weird 2010-09-05 09:56 uploads to youtube 2010-09-05 09:57 bartbes where can i download the latest nlove ipk? 2010-09-05 09:57 oh I'll put it up in a sec 2010-09-05 09:58 uplaod faster! 2010-09-05 09:58 ... 2010-09-05 09:59 *upload 2010-09-05 09:59 xiangfu: hi! don't know what could be wrong, because centerim builds just fine for me 2010-09-05 10:00 kyak: oh... I also remember that works fine before. 2010-09-05 10:00 xiangfu: also, i reverted back to older uClibc version and it works 2010-09-05 10:00 urandom__: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/440010/nlove/nlove_0.0.1-1_xburst.ipk 2010-09-05 10:00 ben nanonote: worlds smallest love-maschine 2010-09-05 10:01 anyway, I'm currently uploading a video of me playing npong to youtube 2010-09-05 10:01 wolfspraul: today I will try to build the image without revert any commit. then if it works fine. I will commit the "config" and release a new image at qi-hardware.com/software/images/NanoNote/Ben/ 2010-09-05 10:02 also, guys, good news: PS3 is jailbroken, and it can be done with any linux-based device that has usb-slave (currently N900 and PSP); but this also can be done with Ben, i think 2010-09-05 10:02 larsc: so should the dependency libncursesw work? 2010-09-05 10:02 wolfspraul: then you can got a work image at Monday :) 2010-09-05 10:02 kyak: you reverted commit? or just change the .config file?? 2010-09-05 10:02 xiangfu: just changed the config 2010-09-05 10:03 kyak: first thing I thought when I read that as well :P 2010-09-05 10:03 but: stardict doesn't work 2010-09-05 10:05 kyak: work fine in 2010-09-05 2010-09-05 10:06 kyak you dont need any linux. ignore the hype-kids. http://github.com/psgroove/psgroove 2010-09-05 10:06 thats where it started. avr 8bit controllers with hw--usb support 2010-09-05 10:07 roh: i don't think a lot of people got avr controllers at hand 2010-09-05 10:07 I do, but not one with usb 2010-09-05 10:09 xiangfu: so, what's your plan? change the uClibc version in config, rebuild the image, release it? 2010-09-05 10:09 bartbes: in theory yes 2010-09-05 10:09 larsc: well, could there be another reason for it not to show up in the menuconfig (wordgrinder) 2010-09-05 10:09 (when having removed BROKEN) 2010-09-05 10:09 kyak i guess you are wrong. in the end its a short time thing anyhow. 2010-09-05 10:10 sony will release an update and 'fix their broken usb stack' 2010-09-05 10:10 and they will enforce it by not allowing 'not updated' machines to participate in online games again. wanna bet? 2010-09-05 10:10 kyak: yes. that's the plan. so I will know the result tomorrow. the build need 10 hours here. 2010-09-05 10:11 the only thing which helps against such behaviour is: not buying criippled hardware hoping somebody jailbreaks it. imho all the fanboys who still buy apple and sony devices are the reason they still cripple hard and software. 2010-09-05 10:12 bartbes: "lua luafilesystem", that causes it to only show up if lua and luafilesystem are already selected 2010-09-05 10:12 well imo ps3 is still better than x360 2010-09-05 10:12 larsc: ehm, what did I do wrong this time? 2010-09-05 10:12 xiangfu: please commit the config file as just "config" - no date in the filename 2010-09-05 10:12 bartbes technically, sure. i am with you there. still: if you buy one, you are actively supporting sony's behavioir. so its your fault too. 2010-09-05 10:13 bartbes: if you want it to select a package you have to write +package 2010-09-05 10:13 larsc: I should've known.. 2010-09-05 10:13 roh: I don't have one 2010-09-05 10:13 :P 2010-09-05 10:13 roh: I will take a picture from my camera. then set it as wallpaper. :) it's hard  for me to find a not copy right picture 2010-09-05 10:13 bartbes me neither. i was thinking about it, and then they crippled it. so i didnt. 2010-09-05 10:13 wolfspraul: sorry for my fail. will do that in future. :) 2010-09-05 10:13 yeah removing other os was really bitchy 2010-09-05 10:14 xiangfu thats always a sure way :) 2010-09-05 10:14 but everything is better than microsoft 2010-09-05 10:14 :P 2010-09-05 10:14 i dont play games which need more power than my workstation has. 2010-09-05 10:14 though steve jobs grew some horns too 2010-09-05 10:14 i dont even have that time to waste 2010-09-05 10:15 hehe 2010-09-05 10:15 bartbes i think its something we need to propagate more: dont give companies which fuck you from behind your money. 2010-09-05 10:15 xiangfu: here is one source of freely usable pictures: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page 2010-09-05 10:15 i also dont buy anything which has nvidia hw in it 2010-09-05 10:15 so.. live in a cave? :P 2010-09-05 10:16 I believe all of their content is freely usable in our context. 2010-09-05 10:16 bartbes no. there are enough manufs which do good products. just dont buy the ones which are actively against the customer. 2010-09-05 10:16 well, you can say what you want about nvidia, but their closed-source drivers are better than ati's, both closed and open source 2010-09-05 10:16 oh i also need libphysfs, where can i get the ipk? 2010-09-05 10:16 or ehm 2010-09-05 10:16 I mean 2010-09-05 10:16 bartbes i dont use neither. i got ati hw and use the free drivers. 2010-09-05 10:16 AMD :P 2010-09-05 10:16 urandom__: can't you ever build anything? :P 2010-09-05 10:16 closed drivers make sure i dont buy something. 2010-09-05 10:17 urandom__: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/440010/nlove/libphysfs_2.0.0-1_xburst.ipk 2010-09-05 10:17 xiangfu: the other one is here: http://www.flickr.com/search/advanced/ 2010-09-05 10:17 though be warned, the ipks I provide may contain debugging symbols 2010-09-05 10:17 :P 2010-09-05 10:17 wolfspraul: I already take one from my camera. :) 2010-09-05 10:17 you can type 'flower' to test it 2010-09-05 10:17 yes but you will never be able to compete with these sources in quality 2010-09-05 10:17 bartbes btw: when it comes to stability free drivers are better as far as i can remember. 2010-09-05 10:18 oh I never had any problems with closed source nvidia drivers 2010-09-05 10:18 bwahahah 2010-09-05 10:18 try suspending 2010-09-05 10:18 xiangfu: on the flickr advanced search page, click on (enable) all 3 creative commons related checkboxes at the bottom of the page 2010-09-05 10:18 or use a recent kernel. 2010-09-05 10:18 not possible. 2010-09-05 10:18 or use multihead with changing external resolutions and monitors. 2010-09-05 10:18 roh: well at least it can render stuff 2010-09-05 10:18 just try. search for 'flower' (click all 3 checkboxes). see what you get. all of those pictures can freely be used, as long as we attribute the author which we should always do anyway. 2010-09-05 10:19 helps a lot if it crashes and burns. 2010-09-05 10:19 the oss drivers haven't given me any performance when I tried them 2010-09-05 10:19 rendering is fine on the free drivers. i can even play some 3d-games (not the new ones of course) 2010-09-05 10:19 and as I said, I haven't had problems with the closed one in years 2010-09-05 10:19 but i dont care about hardcore gaming either. 2010-09-05 10:19 I do 2010-09-05 10:19 q3a runs fine and fast. 2010-09-05 10:19 wolfspraul: thanks. 2010-09-05 10:20 xiangfu: for some reason centerim's configure finds OpenSSL from my host system and doesn't check further for gnutls-extra. This is definitely not how it's supposed to be 2010-09-05 10:20 sure, if the free drivers provided me with the performance the closed ones do I would use them 2010-09-05 10:20 but as of now the closed ones have an edge 2010-09-05 10:20 bartbes buy a console. get fucked. thats how it is. 2010-09-05 10:20 ooh.. 2010-09-05 10:20 somebody got mad 2010-09-05 10:21 same fors for drm in games (one of the reasons i got off gaming) 2010-09-05 10:21 people who pay for drm-ed ware are part of the problem 2010-09-05 10:21 I do play them 2010-09-05 10:21 but I am not part of the problem 2010-09-05 10:22 i am not mad. i am just telling you my opinion ;) and how i got it. 2010-09-05 10:22 do note, that I never said anything about what I do or do not do 2010-09-05 10:22 (for those who read the log) 2010-09-05 10:22 I am simply implying I do 2010-09-05 10:22 covered his ass 2010-09-05 10:23 now.. what was I doing 2010-09-05 10:23 urandom__: so? 2010-09-05 10:23 isnt pro or con piracy of content. thats somebody elses problem. 2010-09-05 10:23 oh right, youtube 2010-09-05 10:23 great timing 2010-09-05 10:23 bartbes works but lacks a nice no game screen 2010-09-05 10:23 because it's 800x600 2010-09-05 10:23 :P 2010-09-05 10:23 do you have the npong .love? 2010-09-05 10:23 oh yeah makes sense 2010-09-05 10:24 yeah i downloadet it, going to test it 2010-09-05 10:24 hm.. youtube... is the nanonote fast enough for low-res videos in webM ? 2010-09-05 10:25 man i have 1000 ideas, but they all need some form of connectivity on the nanonote *sigh* 2010-09-05 10:25 depends on how much floating point math is needed 2010-09-05 10:25 mth i think there were already integer only decoders for it. 2010-09-05 10:25 ffmpeg supports it also 2010-09-05 10:25 there is an integer decoder for vorbis audio, but matybe not for the video codec 2010-09-05 10:26 with integer codecs 320x240 video should be doable 2010-09-05 10:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqEvUO8lxM8 2010-09-05 10:28 plays pong on his nanonote 2010-09-05 10:28 [commit] kyak: centerim's configure now looking for libopenssl in the right place http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2c5709d 2010-09-05 10:29 xiangfu: please check, centerim should build now for you 2010-09-05 10:29 kyak: ok. 2010-09-05 10:30 xiangfu: what version of uClibc are you going to revert to? 2010-09-05 10:30 so looks like its time for a nanonote edition of snake :) 2010-09-05 10:30 kyak: 0.9.30.1 2010-09-05 10:30 xiangfu: you here ! 2010-09-05 10:30 urandom__: if you volunteer 2010-09-05 10:31 of course, i will just hack together something out of my old snake game 2010-09-05 10:31 xiangfu: for information, i tryed with 0.9.30.2 and it worked.. do you think we could maybe try the 0.9.32, but without nptl support? 2010-09-05 10:31 xiangfu: last image for openwrt is updated to xburst-openwrt last commits? 2010-09-05 10:32 kyak: since the [backfire] still use 0.9.30. only the develop branch use 0.9.32. so for release image we should use 0.9.30. 2010-09-05 10:32 ok! 2010-09-05 10:33 ah thats for mee too i guess :) 2010-09-05 10:33 bartbes any differences of nlove and love i should know about? 2010-09-05 10:33 xiangfu: so we only wait for stables releases from openwrt or there is alsoa  trunk to test? 2010-09-05 10:33 mth http://www.webmproject.org/media/pdf/vp8_bitstream.pdf page 15, above the 'box' 2010-09-05 10:33 urandom__: no love.sound 2010-09-05 10:33 and speed, I guess 2010-09-05 10:33 rotating is very *very* expensive 2010-09-05 10:34 "All VP8 decoding algorithms use integer math." 2010-09-05 10:34 kristianpaul: hmm... the 2010-09-15 is a test release. I will work on a better one today :) then I will commit all change . send email to list :) 2010-09-05 10:34 urandom__: and ofc the 320x240 screen size 2010-09-05 10:34 and the fact you will want to set the mouse to invisible 2010-09-05 10:35 i am used to low speed 2010-09-05 10:35 look at hist netbook 2010-09-05 10:35 kristianpaul: I think the OpenWrt release will always follow the [backfire] branch,  not the trunk branch. 2010-09-05 10:36 xiangfu: what happenede to gmu i cant quit as alt + enter? 2010-09-05 10:36 kristianpaul: I think the trunk branch is only for use test , develop, 2010-09-05 10:36 xiangfu: good :) 2010-09-05 10:36 s/use/user 2010-09-05 10:36 i dont saw trunk branch, just  master and xburst 2010-09-05 10:36 kristianpaul: hmm. about gmu.  first press F1. then alt+enter will exit. 2010-09-05 10:36 that sounds like a bug 2010-09-05 10:36 thres keys? 2010-09-05 10:37 thtas not emacs ! 2010-09-05 10:37 :) 2010-09-05 10:37 roh: that sounds promising 2010-09-05 10:37 kristianpaul: the "master" is sync with openwrt trunk branch. but it's manually sync not automatic. 2010-09-05 10:37 xiangfu: ah okay 2010-09-05 10:37 urandom__: yes, you may be used to slow opengl performance, but sdl adds a lot of overhead 2010-09-05 10:37 kristianpaul: I just found that. I am not look into the source code. I think there is something wrong with "alt + enter" 2010-09-05 10:38 as I mentioned, rotation is very expensive, same goes for scaling 2010-09-05 10:38 urandom__: oh 2010-09-05 10:38 hehe 2010-09-05 10:38 mth ack. for the stuff from google, there are arm v5, v6 and even neon optimized routines. ffmpeg is missing these still i guess 2010-09-05 10:38 and the most important 2010-09-05 10:38 no fonts (yet) :P 2010-09-05 10:38 same goes for mips, if there is anything to optimizes specifically for xburst 2010-09-05 10:39 -s 2010-09-05 10:39 xiangfu: 10 hours?! 2010-09-05 10:39 roh: is vp8 royallity free? 2010-09-05 10:40 afaik yes. thats why google bought on2 2010-09-05 10:40 is better quality that ogg/ogv? 2010-09-05 10:40 also faster to decode? 2010-09-05 10:40 mpeg-la pissed them off enough so they bought on2, use vp8 for video, vorbis for audio 2010-09-05 10:40 I'm pretty sure mpeg-la is drastically searching the code and specs to find anything that is 'theirs' 2010-09-05 10:40 and matroska as container 2010-09-05 10:40 bartbes: yes. "make distclean"  -- "copy the config to .config" -- "make" it's need 10 hours in my pc. 2010-09-05 10:41 bartbes they tried that at vorbis already. without gain 2010-09-05 10:41 xiangfu: eek 2010-09-05 10:41 mpeg-la needs to be brought down. 2010-09-05 10:41 roh: you think we can run vp8 codec to play royalitie-free videos on the nanonote? 2010-09-05 10:41 royalitie-free encodec vides* 2010-09-05 10:41 kristianpaul i think so, yes. atleast i would not worry distributing a decoder 2010-09-05 10:42 what license the content you play has is a completely different thing 2010-09-05 10:42 how is that of distributing? 2010-09-05 10:42 ah is licenced any way? 2010-09-05 10:42 mpeg-la is like a mob. trying to get protection money from everybody 2010-09-05 10:42 bartbes: no include downloads package time. 2010-09-05 10:42 even worse 2010-09-05 10:42 yeh wolfspraul toll me :) 2010-09-05 10:43 i really scared about that.. :( 2010-09-05 10:44 as long as we dont put any decoders or encoders for mpeg audio or video into the package or onto the qi-hw servers we should be fine 2010-09-05 10:44 roh: there are SIMD instructions for xburst 2010-09-05 10:45 mth do you know what they do, and how much faster? 2010-09-05 10:45 and the IPU can do YUV to RGB conversion 2010-09-05 10:45 roh: http://dingoowiki.com/index.php/Development:MXU 2010-09-05 10:45 about SIMD aka MXU 2010-09-05 10:45 I haven't timed them, but look at the wiki for what they do 2010-09-05 10:46 i see. not much 2010-09-05 10:46 no :( 2010-09-05 10:46 there might be more SIMD instructions; the mxu_as script seems to list more than the header that I based the wiki info on 2010-09-05 10:46 only integer value clamping, some matrix stuff... 2010-09-05 10:46 eh.. shift? doesnt that cpu have a regular shift? 2010-09-05 10:47 this shifts two registers with one instruction 2010-09-05 10:48 roh: Hi I downloads some picture from flicker.com. those picture is license by http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en and  http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/deed.en 2010-09-05 10:48 roh: those two are ok for gmenu2x wallpaper. right?  I just want make sure. :) 2010-09-05 10:48 seriously, *nobody* watched my vid? 2010-09-05 10:49 xiangfu: is too hard include some image and ogg samples in openwrt-xburst? 2010-09-05 10:49 poeople always claim samples every time i show they a nanonote 2010-09-05 10:49 :/ 2010-09-05 10:50 xiangfu sure. just link the flickr pages where you got them from in a file you put into the same directory 2010-09-05 10:50 like 'licenses' 2010-09-05 10:50 bartbes video? 2010-09-05 10:51 http://youtu.be/GqEvUO8lxM8 2010-09-05 10:51 have seen the barbes video 2010-09-05 10:51 not so way then 2010-09-05 10:51 :P 2010-09-05 10:51 kristianpaul: only if the image and ogg is follow the free culture. :) 2010-09-05 10:51 *away 2010-09-05 10:51 roh: I add those URL in commit log is not enough ? 2010-09-05 10:51 even if not connected you all are on my thoughs so no I never totally away 2010-09-05 10:51 :P 2010-09-05 10:52 xiangfu: no 2010-09-05 10:52 xiangfu: yes but how i put that on the openwrt, there is a speacial package for it, or to include thigns in the rootfs? 2010-09-05 10:53 I will do a blog post today with vids of cool things doing with NN , one is the "knight rider" led from wpwrak , the other is the pong :) , any other suggestion 2010-09-05 10:53 ? 2010-09-05 10:53 kristianpaul: I just put them at "data/qi_lb60/files/" 2010-09-05 10:54 ah easy :) 2010-09-05 10:54 thanks ! 2010-09-05 10:54 bartbes, roh: oh. understand. 2010-09-05 10:54 tuxbrain: :) 2010-09-05 10:54 gusnao: morning dude ! 2010-09-05 10:55 nothing kristianpaul 2010-09-05 10:55 xiangfu dunno. thats what some lawyer would need to sort out. i think distributing the attribution with the files is the only thing to make sure. 2010-09-05 10:55 gusnao: what happened? 2010-09-05 10:55 gusnao: no sound, no...? 2010-09-05 10:55 no nada 2010-09-05 10:55 ah? 2010-09-05 10:55 me equivoque 2010-09-05 10:55 jajajaj 2010-09-05 10:55 ok 2010-09-05 10:56 xiangfu: if you fix the uclibc version in config, don't forget to also update config.xbboot 2010-09-05 10:56 es que ya entre pero con telnet a mi nanonote kanzure 2010-09-05 10:56 tuxbrain, might wanna fix a link pointing to a mailing list post on your blog ( nanonote finds it equilibrium or something). 2010-09-05 10:57 kristianpaul, haora solo me falta darle el passwd? 2010-09-05 10:57 wolfspraul: yes. 2010-09-05 10:57 gusnao: yes problably 2010-09-05 10:57 roh: I'm pretty sure it needs to be in the distribution 2010-09-05 10:57 so just adding it as a commit message won't cut it 2010-09-05 11:01 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add some wallpapers, http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b41d0a1 2010-09-05 11:01 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add the Picture URL file README, http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/0775638 2010-09-05 11:02 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [gmenu2x] update to 077563 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4864c15 2010-09-05 11:03 nice 2010-09-05 11:03 do they look as great on the nn though? 2010-09-05 11:03 alcy sure! I will chek righ now, don't hesitate to annoying me with that by mail or by other means to fix somthing 2010-09-05 11:05 is compile the centerim and nlove 2010-09-05 11:05 compiling ... 2010-09-05 11:06 tuxbrain, sure. :) 2010-09-05 11:08 bartbes: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Console_imgv4.png 2010-09-05 11:08 viric_: thta one image from wikipedia commons 2010-09-05 11:08 xiangfu: watch the boot time. I believe there was something mirko did that improved boot time by about 10 seconds. the boot time in 2010-08-26 was pretty nice. 2010-09-05 11:08 viric_: oops 2010-09-05 11:08 bartbes: ^ 2010-09-05 11:08 alcy: fixed I think is due the mailing list fusion... so I think I will have to review a lot of posts ... 2010-09-05 11:09 kristianpaul: that is not that bad... 2010-09-05 11:09 tuxbain, probably yeah. 2010-09-05 11:15 kyak: centerim compile fine . thanks. 2010-09-05 11:33 hey anyone knows how to make an ubi file with a rootfs already setup? 2010-09-05 11:34 tuxbrain, rafa :) 2010-09-05 11:35 hehehe anyone else that is actully online? :P 2010-09-05 11:35 actually 2010-09-05 11:36 groan. clubbing takes large chunks out of your work day 2010-09-05 11:39 xiangfu: great! 2010-09-05 11:43 tuxbrain, he is screening, but you could post him a message and he will most likely look at it when he gets a chance. His train is leaving for prag in a couple of hours so I bet he will check in soon. 2010-09-05 11:44 ok then, rafa what are the steps to do an ubifs image for flash in nano from a rootfs :) 2010-09-05 12:04 roh: (discordian society) nice :) read the illuminatus trilogy then ? 2010-09-05 12:04 is building the new image now. 2010-09-05 12:04 right, see you in 10 hours then.. 2010-09-05 12:04 see you. 2010-09-05 12:10 xiangfu: 10hours why so long? 2010-09-05 12:11 kristianpaul: how long in your PC? "make distclean" then "make" 2010-09-05 12:11 xiangfu: ahh do i need distclean? 2010-09-05 12:11 kristianpaul: I have test yesterday. it's around 10 hours. 2010-09-05 12:11 well i think was 5 last time, not sure 2010-09-05 12:11 xiangfu: i want do same you do 2010-09-05 12:12 is the branch xburst? 2010-09-05 12:12 kristianpaul: just build the OpenWrt release image. we always "make distclean" first. then "make" form 0. :) 2010-09-05 12:12 kristianpaul: yes. 2010-09-05 12:12 jut git pull also update the packges using the script? 2010-09-05 12:12 cause last time gave me SDL seg fault.. 2010-09-05 12:12 ok 2010-09-05 12:13 kristianpaul: I have one script file for build. I can send it to you :) 2010-09-05 12:13 xiangfu: thanks i really want follow you on this 2010-09-05 12:22 xiangfu: a did time make, it took 3h47m, all sources were already downloaded 2010-09-05 12:24 kyak: my pc mem is only 1G, cpu is E2180  @ 2.00GHz. what about your PC?? 2010-09-05 12:24 [commit] Yanjun Luo: The first version send to factory. http://qi-hw.com/p/mmone-jtag-serial-cable/82c93b6 2010-09-05 12:26 xiangfu: mine is Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU      E6500  @ 2.93GHz, 2G memory (it's Shuttle K45SE) 2010-09-05 12:26 wow 2010-09-05 12:26 wow 2010-09-05 12:27 not so wow :) 2010-09-05 12:27 if it's 4G. it's so wow. 2010-09-05 12:27 how lame ;-) (Q6600 with 8 GB here. no longer afraid of large build :) 2010-09-05 12:27 wpwrak: did you measure? :) 2010-09-05 12:28 kyak: i did an openwrt build a while ago. didn't feel excessively long. maybe an hour or two, 2010-09-05 12:28 pity that I have a core i7, 6G RAM, 3 Ghz (did take it to 4), and its lying lifeless. waiting to shift to new home, will definitely put it to use then :) 2010-09-05 12:29 that's cool! you should provide access to this machine to xiangfu, for faster build :) 2010-09-05 12:29 (that was for wpwrak) 2010-09-05 12:29 kyak: wolfgang should get him a faster machine. it's not *that* expensive :) 2010-09-05 12:30 that's right 2010-09-05 12:30 the hardware is pretty affordable now 2010-09-05 12:30 kyak: I can access one big server before, it's 8-cpus, 32GB mem.  but now I only have on little PC. :) 2010-09-05 12:31 i have an amd 1Ghz 800MB ram, should i cry? 2010-09-05 12:32 i took like 5 hours last time i measure 2010-09-05 12:32 s/it 2010-09-05 12:32 yes, cry for 24 hours, that would take you to build owrt :) 2010-09-05 12:32 oh! 2010-09-05 12:32 very good 2010-09-05 12:33 i used to have Celeron 600 with ~350 Mb RAM for several years as my home server.. horrible years :) 2010-09-05 12:33 hmm. . I am not very sure it will take 10 hours. because it's build two openwrt at same time. I have setup a cron job. 2010-09-05 12:34 I think yesterday I build the openwrt the cron jobs also start. 2010-09-05 12:34 my server is 500Mhz, 256Mb ram 4GB flash 256Ram, and i still no cry ;) 2010-09-05 12:34 xiangfu: but i guess get the sources take some? 2010-09-05 12:34 make clean dont erase sources isnt? 2010-09-05 12:35 cool. wrong package definition for a transistor :-( 2010-09-05 12:35 kristianpaul: right. 2010-09-05 12:35 oh better 2010-09-05 12:36 I have added the time command this time. let's see how long it take. 2010-09-05 12:39 wpwrak: do you have experiences with antennas for getting UHF/VHF telemetry from satellites? 2010-09-05 12:39 sorry about the OT ;) 2010-09-05 12:42 in a PCB btw 2010-09-05 12:44 libphysfs won't compile 2010-09-05 12:44 nlove? 2010-09-05 12:45 cmake: command not found 2010-09-05 12:45 yes, it's nlove's dependancy 2010-09-05 12:46 kristianpaul: i'm a total RF rookie :) 2010-09-05 12:46 bartbes: any hints? maybe dependency to cmake is missing? 2010-09-05 12:47 or, why would it want cmake from my host system? 2010-09-05 12:47 wpwrak: so i'm newbie :) 2010-09-05 12:48 just install it :) 2010-09-05 12:50 bartbes: i've installed cmake now on my host system.. but it seems wrong that toolchain is using some tools from my host system 2010-09-05 12:53 error: lua.h: No such file or directory 2010-09-05 12:54 this is nlove. perhaps missing dependency for lua? 2010-09-05 12:57 bartbes: DEPENDS:=+libphysfs +libsdl +libsdl-image +libsdl-gfx +libsdl-mixer +lua --> builds now 2010-09-05 12:57 oops 2010-09-05 12:58 cmake is.. somewhat different 2010-09-05 12:58 it just translates a file to a makefile 2010-09-05 12:58 that's why it doesn't matter it's ran on the host system 2010-09-05 12:59 kyak: anyway, do I need to add to dependency, or will you commit it? 2010-09-05 13:07 bartbes: i understood about cmake... please, commit it yourself, you're the one taking care of nlove :) 2010-09-05 13:08 hehe 2010-09-05 13:09 [commit] bartbes: Added lua dependency to nlove http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/11291fd 2010-09-05 13:09 [commit] bartbes: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/7b6b74c 2010-09-05 13:09 kyak: like that ^? :P 2010-09-05 13:10 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Next part of board bringup: reset and power cycling. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a18d596 2010-09-05 13:11 bartbes: exactly! -) 2010-09-05 13:11 it's hard 2010-09-05 13:11 you see, normally I would try to build it from a clean dir 2010-09-05 13:11 but.. I am *not* going to create another toolchain 2010-09-05 13:12 they are hell *and* huge 2010-09-05 13:12 you don't need to 2010-09-05 13:12 just make distclean :) 2010-09-05 13:13 then I need to rebuild 2010-09-05 13:13 deadly 2010-09-05 13:13 but do it every once in a while 2010-09-05 13:13 just to make sure everything is consistent 2010-09-05 13:15 and as discussed above, it usually takes no longer than 5-6 hours 2010-09-05 13:18 ... 2010-09-05 13:19 bartbes: be careful what you wish for. if you read up a bit on utilitarian philosophy, you'll also find universal happiness as the principal goal. one thought experiment there is that one could improve happiness by killing all the unhappy people. repeat as many times as necessary for the less-then-average-happy. 2010-09-05 13:19 wait what does that have to do with me 2010-09-05 13:19 I already kill happy people 2010-09-05 13:21 bartbes: ah, that was "bas" on the list, not "bes", sorry 2010-09-05 13:21 you guys have to work on your hamming distances :-) 2010-09-05 13:21 I have had this name for ages! 2010-09-05 13:21 wpwrak: also, my "first nick" is BaS 2010-09-05 13:22 but it's so widely used 2010-09-05 13:22 so i had to come up with this 2010-09-05 13:22 bas is a name where I live 2010-09-05 13:22 i went under "Oberdaemon" for a good while, inspired by all the whatever_DAEMON processes you found on a Vax/VMS system. never had much trouble with uniqueness :) 2010-09-05 13:22 is it Denmark? 2010-09-05 13:23 it is not 2010-09-05 13:23 wpwrak is more Unix style, though. like awk :) 2010-09-05 13:24 unlike awk, i don't know how to pronounce "wpwrak" :) 2010-09-05 13:24 me neither 2010-09-05 13:25 it's for typing, not for pronouncing :) 2010-09-05 13:25 but how to pronounce kyak? is it key-yak, is it kayak, what is it? 2010-09-05 13:26 i would use "werner", but that one's almost almost taken everywhere, even though it's not the most common first name 2010-09-05 13:26 last name possibly 2010-09-05 13:26 s/almost almost/almost always/ 2010-09-05 13:26 bartbes: if only i knew ::) 2010-09-05 13:26 naw, even less common as last name 2010-09-05 13:26 probably kayak 2010-09-05 13:26 why do so many people have names they can't pronounce.. 2010-09-05 13:27 because it's IRC-only 2010-09-05 13:27 because they have to be globally unique :) 2010-09-05 13:27 i wonder how would untypable, unpronouncable nickname would look like 2010-09-05 13:27 be thankful that we don't use md5 hashes of pictures of body parts we consider significant :) 2010-09-05 13:28 untypably? 2010-09-05 13:28 *e 2010-09-05 13:28 how do you create one of those on irc? 2010-09-05 13:28 :P 2010-09-05 13:28 that's the question!: ) 2010-09-05 13:28 only non-printing characters 2010-09-05 13:29 but I doubt the server would let you do that 2010-09-05 13:29 i had a custom unrealircd server, where you could use utf-8 nicknames 2010-09-05 13:29 that was fun! 2010-09-05 13:29 does IRC support UTF8 ? 2010-09-05 13:29 semi 2010-09-05 13:29 you can send stuff over it in any encoding you want 2010-09-05 13:30 but most servers only accept commands in.. ascii, I guess 2010-09-05 13:30 ññ 2010-09-05 13:30 wpwrak: yes^ 2010-09-05 13:30 no? 2010-09-05 13:30 wpwrak: do you really think chinese people are not using IRC? :) 2010-09-05 13:30 today I saw someone speak russian in one of the channels I'm in 2010-09-05 13:31 (I own it too!) 2010-09-05 13:31 they do i saw before chineese charastes in freenode 2010-09-05 13:31 well, saw 2010-09-05 13:31 he didn't use utf-8 2010-09-05 13:31 so I only saw the wrong-encoding char.. thingy 2010-09-05 13:31 kyak: good point 2010-09-05 13:31 anyway, irc itself doesn't care 2010-09-05 13:31 it just relays 2010-09-05 13:31 bartbes: ?@825B, :0: 45;0? 2010-09-05 13:32 that is utf-8 2010-09-05 13:32 indeed 2010-09-05 13:32 and I wish I didn't keep forgetting how to pronounce cyrillic chars 2010-09-05 13:32 I really want to learn russian once 2010-09-05 13:32 good thing I have a whole life ahead of me 2010-09-05 13:32 gets hit by a car 2010-09-05 13:32 --) 2010-09-05 13:33 about that, did you hear about the guy who died in a race.. ehm.. today? yesterday? not too long ago anyway 2010-09-05 13:34 ah, found the channel again ;) 2010-09-05 13:34 mm, no.. are you surprised? 2010-09-05 13:35 well, it doesn't happen too often someone dies 2010-09-05 13:35 ofc it happens more often on bikes.. I guess 2010-09-05 14:09 poke is at svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/poke/ 2010-09-05 14:09 Ornotermes: ^ 2010-09-05 14:10 useful tool. worth to have in packages, imho 2010-09-05 14:10 (useful for poking around in registers in a way lars would call "pure evil" ;-) 2010-09-05 14:13 i can somehow understan that :P 2010-09-05 14:14 could be a quick crach if one changes the io for ram or storage stuff:P 2010-09-05 14:14 oh yes :) 2010-09-05 14:14 and maybe even permanent damage... 2010-09-05 14:17 yup. there ought to be something you can blow up :) 2010-09-05 14:17 otherwise we will have to make an explosive uSD card ;) 2010-09-05 14:18 it's fast, does exactly what you tell it to do, and it's dangerous. all the characteristics a real man's toy should have :-) 2010-09-05 14:20 s/exactly/anything/    # even better :) 2010-09-05 14:23 wpwrak: package description for poke? 2010-09-05 14:23 heh :) 2010-09-05 14:35 hm i wonder if it's possible to make some progress bar for reflah_ben.sh 2010-09-05 14:35 would be great 2010-09-05 14:36 wpwrak: it's good to have that ability to try out things, but when developers start writing user mode programs to rely on direct register access, that is evil 2010-09-05 14:36 especially when a GP2X port is run on a Dingoo and it pokes into /dev/mem 2010-09-05 14:37 (GP2x is ARM arch) 2010-09-05 14:37 (and Dingoo is much like the NanoNote in hardware) 2010-09-05 14:49 mth: yeah, such things should at least be hidden in some library 2010-09-05 14:50 a library would still be breaking the layers 2010-09-05 14:51 mth: user space directly accessing registers is not without precedent. e.g., consider X. 2010-09-05 14:51 but it's wrong for X too 2010-09-05 14:52 that is debatable :-) 2010-09-05 14:53 the objective shuold be to do things in a manner that doesn't cause ill side-effects. if the limitations of a user-space implementation are acceptable, why not. 2010-09-05 14:54 one of the big issues is of course guaranteed cleanup. 2010-09-05 14:54 the only way to get no ill side effects is if control is done by one unique user space process and the kernel does not touch the device 2010-09-05 14:55 with X, that was not the case, since the kernel runs a text mode or frame buffer on the graphics card 2010-09-05 14:56 yeah, that coordination is hairy 2010-09-05 14:57 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Replace/remove SOC_JZ4740 from Kconfigs. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/9bd95f3 2010-09-05 15:11 morning all 2010-09-05 15:12 Elvashi: it's far from morning here :P 2010-09-05 15:13 heresy! 2010-09-05 15:17 is Zear's frotz the main port of frotz for nanonote? 2010-09-05 15:18 nothing i ported is official 2010-09-05 15:19 everything i ported was compiled with dingux toolchain, statically linked 2010-09-05 15:19 so it's not a good idea to include my stuff to the official repo ;) 2010-09-05 15:22 zear: but does it work? :P 2010-09-05 15:22 Textmode, yes it does 2010-09-05 15:22 it should at least, i ported it many firmware revisions before 2010-09-05 15:23 I guess I'm about to find out... 2010-09-05 15:28 hmm...max of z6... 2010-09-05 15:29 boo...doesn't fit in z6...this could b be a problem... 2010-09-05 16:10 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Board bringup: talk to the chip and read IDs. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9ad96bd 2010-09-05 16:12 plays snake on his nanonote 2010-09-05 16:13 urandom_: you got it? 2010-09-05 16:13 it worked like out of the box, just needet to adjust screen size 2010-09-05 16:13 weee 2010-09-05 16:13 can I get a .love? 2010-09-05 16:13 so I'm no longer stuck playing pong against myself 2010-09-05 16:14 urandom_: if you have to fly somewhere, take your ben with you. then you can play "Snakes on a plane" :) 2010-09-05 16:14 :P 2010-09-05 16:15 of course you can bartbes, but i wanted to clean it up a bit after i got some sleep, but if you really need it now... 2010-09-05 16:15 yes, I do 2010-09-05 16:15 :P 2010-09-05 16:16 ok, wait 10min or so 2010-09-05 16:20 and he splits 2010-09-05 16:23 is uploading 2010-09-05 16:24 oh, there were 2 of you 2010-09-05 16:25 bartbes http://github.com/downloads/Snaker1/Love-Alchemy/snake.love 2010-09-05 16:26 but its really just a quick hack 2010-09-05 16:26 can I put it next to the npong.love? 2010-09-05 16:27 (so online) 2010-09-05 16:27 i dont understand, next to? 2010-09-05 16:27 in the same folder as I put npong, i.e. on the interwebz 2010-09-05 16:29 uhm yeah 2010-09-05 16:29 uploads to his nn 2010-09-05 16:29 it's fast 2010-09-05 16:30 (I tried on my comp) 2010-09-05 16:31 I suck at it 2010-09-05 16:31 but it works yay! 2010-09-05 16:32 it should display the score but i left it out since i hope we get love.font soon 2010-09-05 16:32 oh love.font is in there 2010-09-05 16:33 compiled too 2010-09-05 16:33 I haven't done font rendering yet 2010-09-05 16:33 love.font isnt that useful without font rendering 2010-09-05 16:34 hehe 2010-09-05 16:40 btw, urandom_, you misspelled Length 2010-09-05 16:44 oh yeah, my variable is called lenght , well at least i spelled it everywhere the same 2010-09-05 16:55 time to get some sleep 2010-09-05 17:30 hmm, jlime doesn't have ipkg? 2010-09-05 17:33 you mean all jlime in one ipkg or if Jlime has ipkg as package management system? 2010-09-05 17:33 first option no, second option yes 2010-09-05 17:38 tuxbrain: well, I can't seem to find it. 2010-09-05 17:39 mmm to find what? the opkg order? 2010-09-05 17:39 order->command 2010-09-05 17:40 tuxbrain: opkg doesn't seem to want the ipk files I have, ipkg doesn't seem to exist in the path. 2010-09-05 17:41 what ipkgs 2010-09-05 17:41 aviable anyway? 2010-09-05 17:42 tuxbrain: libphysfs_2.0.0-1_xburst.ipk and libphysfs_2.0.0-1_xburst.ipk 2010-09-05 17:42 remember you must have some swap to avoid ram underrun problems with ipkg 2010-09-05 17:42 are on the repos? 2010-09-05 17:43 downloaded 2010-09-05 17:43 from where? 2010-09-05 17:44 bartbes put them up on dropbox for me. 2010-09-05 17:44 not just for you 2010-09-05 17:44 for urandom_ (Snaker_) actually 2010-09-05 17:44 bartbes: I thought you loved me! 2010-09-05 17:44 runs away crying 2010-09-05 17:44 hehehe :) Textmode you are not so special :P 2010-09-05 17:44 sorry 2010-09-05 17:44 anyway. 2010-09-05 17:46 opkg install nameofthepackage.ipk doesn't work? 2010-09-05 17:46 how else would you ever install anything? 2010-09-05 17:48 *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00419368 ***\nAborted 2010-09-05 17:48 has an exploding bladder 2010-09-05 17:49 and don't tell me that is tmi 2010-09-05 17:49 leaves 2010-09-05 17:49 swap enabled? 2010-09-05 17:50 guess not, since I doubt it does it by default. 2010-09-05 17:50 I mean, it doesn't even automount the sdcard, so... 2010-09-05 17:51 surely though, that would be OOM, not corruption? 2010-09-05 17:51 i founded this  http://developer.ubicom.com/wiki/index.php/Add_a_new_application_to_openWRT 2010-09-05 17:51 but i dont like terms of Use from this guys.. 2010-09-05 17:52 so better enable it and try again, to avoid this a posibility, opkg does estrange things without it. 2010-09-05 17:52 tuxbrain: how? 2010-09-05 17:53 you have a swap partition on sd already? 2010-09-05 17:56 _wejp:  did you saw the idea of dissable the shutdown screen with a key combination in the gmu? I think is a good and simple aproach 2010-09-05 17:57 <_wejp> tuxbrain, what exactly do you mean? 2010-09-05 17:59 hey meshpotato is out ! http://www.villagetelco.org/products 2010-09-05 18:00 kristianpaul, wo 2010-09-05 18:00 *wow 2010-09-05 18:00 it has wifi+asterisk+blackfin? 2010-09-05 18:01 in a multitasking enviroment as jlime, it's alittle anoying when you want to listen music while using other apps, then gmu disables screen and you must return to the gmu screen to reenable it, I know this behaviourcan be changed throug gmu config file but It can be useful to change it directly on the gmu while playing, to renable the screen off thing when you just want to usit just as player again. it easier to press alt+s than edit a text file 2010-09-05 18:01 hmmm 2010-09-05 18:01 #  Silicon labs FXS port chipset 2010-09-05 18:01 ah no sorry 2010-09-05 18:01 I'm tired 2010-09-05 18:01 <_wejp> tuxbrain, oh ok, i see. i know what you mean 2010-09-05 18:01 how can that do echo cancelation? 2010-09-05 18:01 <_wejp> i already have an idea what to do about that 2010-09-05 18:02 what is FXS? is it the port for the phone or the port for the phone line? 2010-09-05 18:02 <_wejp> i'll modify gmu such that it will only disable the backlight when it has the application focus 2010-09-05 18:02 I always confond with the other thing FXO? 2010-09-05 18:02 <_wejp> so when you switch to another terminal it will not shut off the backlight 2010-09-05 18:03 so jlime works, nice 2010-09-05 18:03 do you have X? 2010-09-05 18:03 _wejp:  hey thats more cool than my option :) time to deliver? 2010-09-05 18:03 GNUtoo|laptop:  yes :) 2010-09-05 18:03 <_wejp> i've already implemented that half ;) 2010-09-05 18:03 wow Xorg on nanonote 2010-09-05 18:03 GNUtoo|laptop: asterisk do some echo cancelation i guess, there is not line ! 2010-09-05 18:03 <_wejp> don't know exactly when i will release the next version, but shouldn't take too long :) 2010-09-05 18:03 GNUtoo|laptop: just plug the phone and call :) 2010-09-05 18:03 kristianpaul, ok , but you have to use the proprietary software for that? 2010-09-05 18:04 GNUtoo|laptop: for what? 2010-09-05 18:04 kristianpaul, echo cancelation 2010-09-05 18:04 ah sorry 2010-09-05 18:04 no FXO line 2010-09-05 18:05 so no need rihgt? 2010-09-05 18:05 ono FXO 2010-09-05 18:05 not sure if asterisk uses non-free sofware 2010-09-05 18:05 i jsut was following the project and noticed this 2010-09-05 18:05 basically for echo cancelation there are proprietary plugins 2010-09-05 18:05 not sure where are thje designs 2010-09-05 18:05 that you have to buy 2010-09-05 18:05 ok 2010-09-05 18:05 but... 2010-09-05 18:06 so i dont know 2010-09-05 18:06 with the previous hardware they did 2010-09-05 18:06 they developped one in software 2010-09-05 18:06 that was free 2010-09-05 18:06 but it required a blackfin cpu 2010-09-05 18:06 at least it seems 2010-09-05 18:06 the IPX04 2010-09-05 18:06 etc... 2010-09-05 18:06 if I remember well 2010-09-05 18:06 they also had a free codec 2010-09-05 18:07 that seemed to be great 2010-09-05 18:07 :) 2010-09-05 18:09 tuxbrain: okay, I have a sdcard with 512 flagged as swap, what next? 2010-09-05 18:09 read part of the asterisk book 2010-09-05 18:09 tuxbrain: or rather, how do I make jlime use it. 2010-09-05 18:10 on a console : swapon /dev/whateveristhepartitiononsd 2010-09-05 18:12 tuxbrain: so, swapon /dev/mmcblk0p1? 2010-09-05 18:12 if swap is on that partition, then yes 2010-09-05 18:12 invalid argument :/ 2010-09-05 18:13 then is not on that partition :) try mmcblk0p2 2010-09-05 18:14 ...nothing 2010-09-05 18:15 is there a command to check what's been assigned where? 2010-09-05 18:15 can you paste ls /dev/mmcblk*? 2010-09-05 18:16 swapon -s 2010-09-05 18:16 to see list of asigned swaps 2010-09-05 18:17 tuxbrain: invalid option. 2010-09-05 18:17 mmm bastard busybox faking commands 2010-09-05 18:18 busybox considered harmful 2010-09-05 18:18 ls /dev/mmcblk*: /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /dev/mmcblk0p4 /dev/mmcblk0p5 /dev/mmcblk0p6 /dev/mmcblk0p7 2010-09-05 18:19 though it seems that none of those past p2 seem to point to anything that actually exists. 2010-09-05 18:24 tuxbrain: ? 2010-09-05 18:25 looking at it, my swap doen't is recongnized either 2010-09-05 18:29 :/ 2010-09-05 18:31 well the entire card is not recognized or at least partially recognized, 2010-09-05 18:31 dmesg prompts 00:29 2010-09-05 18:31 mmcblk1: mmc0:8fe4 SU04G 3.69 GiB 00:29 2010-09-05 18:31 mmcblk1: p1 p2 00:29 2010-09-05 18:31 but no mmcblk1 in dev 2010-09-05 18:34 interesting... 2010-09-05 18:35 I guess I could copy the required files onto the internal store, then reformat the card as entirely swap (no skin of my nose) 2010-09-05 18:35 though thats hardly a long term solution. 2010-09-05 18:35 do you think that would work? 2010-09-05 18:45 tuxbrain: okay, goodnews, the swap mounted, so I guess I have swap now. bad news. doesn't seem to have done any good. opkg still dies with the same error. 2010-09-05 18:46 so yeah, I'm out of ideas... 2010-09-05 19:00 no ideas? 2010-09-05 19:08 never mind, I think I'm out of time. 2010-09-05 19:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Moved tools/ out of atrf, in preparation of merge with atusd. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/36e73c4 2010-09-05 19:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Made the libatspi API driver-agnostic. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e2b2df2 2010-09-05 19:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Merged uSD driver into unified tool build, completed conversion of tools. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f20d685 2010-09-05 19:52 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Further cleanup to make the tools build for the "ben" target. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/bb65155 2010-09-05 20:46 is elinux.org down? 2010-09-05 20:56 seems to be 2010-09-05 21:01 :( 2010-09-05 22:29 xiangfu: morning http://paste.debian.net/88056 2010-09-05 22:38 xiangfu: how is the image build going? 2010-09-05 22:39 yeah i have the same concern 2010-09-05 22:40 wolfspraul: my server time have some problem. I start the build one hours ago (really sorry) . 2010-09-05 22:41 no problem we get there 2010-09-05 22:41 wolfspraul: all the package in openwrt-package.git have added. except the 21 broken, and 3 not compile. 2010-09-05 22:41 xiangfu: did you see those time tracking console apps? https://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/time-trackers-for-the-console/ 2010-09-05 22:42 gforth, snownews, links. 2010-09-05 22:42 wolfspraul: no. 2010-09-05 22:42 because the NanoNote is so portable, time tracking could be a useful application 2010-09-05 22:42 maybe some apps we can easily port 2010-09-05 22:43 snownews doesn't compile? 2010-09-05 22:44 kristianpaul: you are try to build the 0.9.32 uClibc.  which config file you use?? 2010-09-05 22:45 wolfspraul: the first error is "xmlparse.h:29:27: error: libxml/parser.h: No such file or directory." maybe it miss some DEPENDS. 2010-09-05 22:46 xiangfu: i just did wget "http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/config" -O .config 2010-09-05 22:48 xiangfu: can you point me the right .config then to let it building before i go  bed? 2010-09-05 22:50 wolfspraul: a stopwatch will be really usefull 2010-09-05 22:50 kristianpaul: I can send the one I am using. then we can build at same time.  it's not commit to server before I success build the image. if the build is ok. I will commit that. :) 2010-09-05 22:51 xiangfu: sure, please send 2010-09-05 22:51 xiangfu: or patebin it 2010-09-05 22:51 pastebin* 2010-09-05 22:52 xiangfu: you shouldhave a devel branch even for this things are not so stable yet i think.. 2010-09-05 22:52 but is up to you, just a tought 2010-09-05 22:58 make distclean && make V=99 2010-09-05 22:58 gn8 ! 2010-09-05 22:58 thanks xiangfu 2010-09-05 23:03 kristianpaul, ya me sirvio 2010-09-05 23:03 kristianpaul: remember copy the ".config" to openwrt-xburst folder after make distclean. the distclean will delete the .config file. 2010-09-05 23:04 xiangfu: ah ok 2010-09-05 23:04 xiangfu: thanks i was about to leave the chair 2010-09-05 23:04 gustavo: good 2010-09-05 23:05 thanks 2010-09-05 23:07 xiangfu: did you used time command befoire the make? 2010-09-05 23:07 kristianpaul: I use the "date" command. 2010-09-05 23:07 ok 2010-09-05 23:07 kristianpaul: :) 2010-09-05 23:07 xiangfu: why? 2010-09-05 23:07 hwo it measure the build time? 2010-09-05 23:08 ahh 2010-09-05 23:08 you compare 2010-09-05 23:08 manually 2010-09-05 23:08 ok 2010-09-05 23:09 kristianpaul: I use the time before. but never got a result. so I just use "date >> compile.log"  to include the script file. 2010-09-05 23:09 kristianpaul: the "time" should works fine. 2010-09-05 23:09 yeah sort of same here 2010-09-05 23:09 i better try other time ;) 2010-09-05 23:09 zzzZ 2010-09-05 23:09 time command not build 2010-09-05 23:09 building now and me zZZ 2010-09-05 23:24 I'm having issues installing ipk's on jlime, specifically opkg dying a horrible death with a glibc error (double free, or corruption) 2010-09-05 23:38 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [new package] poke, Read or write any CPU register http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ff38e98