2010-08-30 00:55 <wpwrak> phew. refactoring shell scripts is evil work
2010-08-30 01:06 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: are you moving them all to one location?
2010-08-30 01:06 <wolfspraul> or just internal refactoring for now?
2010-08-30 01:08 <wpwrak> internal refactoring. so far, the whole git checkout, profile cleanup, eeschema --plot, postscript hacking, gs ps->ppm, and ppm rotation all happened in a single script
2010-08-30 01:08 <wpwrak> (gitsch2ppm)
2010-08-30 01:08 <wpwrak> that one also took care of caching postscript between full-sized image and thumbnail generation
2010-08-30 01:09 <wpwrak> now that i want to make pdfs, i need to reach into the process, at the point where there are unmodified postscripts around
2010-08-30 01:09 <wolfspraul> ah OKkkkkkkkkk
2010-08-30 01:10 <wolfspraul> (sorry kbd...)
2010-08-30 01:10 <wpwrak> now i've broken that megascript down into its parts and converted the script to a wrapper that does exactly what it did before
2010-08-30 01:10 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Split gitsch2ppm into its constituents. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b3f2014
2010-08-30 01:10 <wpwrak> here it is :)
2010-08-30 01:11 <wpwrak> the next step is to convert the callers of the wrapper to use the "inner" scripts instead of the wrapper. and then i can play with the postscripts.
2010-08-30 01:12 <wpwrak> i'll save the great unifying move for another day :)
2010-08-30 03:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Merged the functionality of gitsch2ppm into schhist2web. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/8005773
2010-08-30 03:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Sheet names now link to the sheet's PDF. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/337f13a
2010-08-30 03:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Generate a PDF with the all the current sheets. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/ab89a00
2010-08-30 03:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Commit entries now show date date, not the hash. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6bef1d9
2010-08-30 05:08 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: We now generate and link delta PDFs with the state(s) of the sheet. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/66cf6a2
2010-08-30 05:09 <wpwrak> qi-bot --append "(in progress)"
2010-08-30 05:57 <qwebirc86457> hi all
2010-08-30 05:58 <qwebirc86457> i have a short question. I want to reflash my ben but I get the error: Error - can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:-110
2010-08-30 05:59 <qwebirc86457> can someone help me? What should I do?
2010-08-30 06:01 <xiangfu> qwebirc86457: if you use the USB-CABLE with NanoNote? make sure there is no USB-HUB
2010-08-30 06:02 <kyak> always wanted to ask, why there must not be hub? is this due to such design of Ben's USB?
2010-08-30 06:05 <qwebirc86457> Yes, I use the USB cable which come with Nanonote
2010-08-30 06:05 <qwebirc86457> lsusb says me ID 601a:4740
2010-08-30 06:06 <unclouded> have you read http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash yet?
2010-08-30 06:08 <qwebirc86457> yes, I read
2010-08-30 06:09 <qwebirc86457> I directly connected the ben nanonote to my linux laptop
2010-08-30 06:10 <kyak> might be that in fact USB connectors on your laptop is USB hub
2010-08-30 06:10 <unclouded> some laptops have a USB hub inside them so I'm told.  the only way that worked for me was the uSD method.  do you have a uSD card?
2010-08-30 06:10 <kyak> try all connectors one by one
2010-08-30 06:10 <qwebirc86457> ok tnx. I'll do
2010-08-30 11:41 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/3c47706
2010-08-30 11:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: FPGA has been splited http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/107ffeb
2010-08-30 18:07 <rafa__> wpwrak: we are in warsaw now
2010-08-30 18:07 <rafa__> :)
2010-08-30 18:26 <wpwrak> rafa__: whee ! how is it ? i've never been there myself
2010-08-30 18:26 <zear> it's awesome
2010-08-30 18:26 <zear> i am here 22 years now, it's totally rad
2010-08-30 18:27 <zear> well, poland, not exactly warsaw ;)
2010-08-30 18:29 <rafa__> wpwrak: it is nice so far.. but we have not checked a lot of places
2010-08-30 18:29 <rafa__> we were sleeping :)
2010-08-30 18:30 <wpwrak> rafa__: drinking should be good there ;-)
2010-08-30 18:30 <rafa__> wpwrak: we had bad news though
2010-08-30 18:30 <wpwrak> oh ?
2010-08-30 18:30 <rafa__> zear: i forgot to tell you
2010-08-30 18:30 <zear> oh?
2010-08-30 18:30 <rafa__> zear: wpwrak when we were in our way to madrid airport
2010-08-30 18:31 <rafa__> somebody opened the backpack of Miriam (zear: my gf)
2010-08-30 18:31 <wpwrak> argh !!!
2010-08-30 18:31 <zear> did they steal anything?
2010-08-30 18:31 <rafa__> and the new nanonote was stolen
2010-08-30 18:31 <zear> seriously?
2010-08-30 18:31 <rafa__> also a little pck of euros coins
2010-08-30 18:31 <zear> damn
2010-08-30 18:32 <wpwrak> :-((
2010-08-30 18:32 <zear> well, they will have hard time selling the nanonote
2010-08-30 18:32 <rafa__> zear: yes.. the nanonote would be a gift for some guy in BA
2010-08-30 18:32 <wpwrak> at least the thieves know what to go for
2010-08-30 18:32 <rafa__> zear: they will not use it much
2010-08-30 18:32 <wpwrak> well, now we just have to wait for this guy to show up here with questions ...
2010-08-30 18:32 <zear> yeah
2010-08-30 18:32 <rafa__> wpwrak: :)
2010-08-30 18:32 <rafa__> but no nice
2010-08-30 18:32 <zear> though this is a very sad news
2010-08-30 18:32 <rafa__> we were to the tuxbrain town to buy it
2010-08-30 18:33 <rafa__> personally
2010-08-30 18:33 <rafa__> so it has a little of story
2010-08-30 18:33 <rafa__> and it ended fast
2010-08-30 18:33 <zear> should blizzard consider himself lucky that he's getting one by post?
2010-08-30 18:33 <rafa__> zear: maybe.. no idea
2010-08-30 18:33 <zear> this is a shame a thief stolen a nanonote, he won't even know how to use it
2010-08-30 18:34 <zear> and nanonote costs a lot, too
2010-08-30 18:34 <rafa__> zear: wpwrak : we also saw at tuxbrain place the nanowar version
2010-08-30 18:34 <zear> rafa__, just be careful with the dingoo i'm donating to you ;)
2010-08-30 18:34 <rafa__> with the modified jlime version inside
2010-08-30 18:34 <rafa__> and videos of the metl band ;)
2010-08-30 18:34 <rafa__> metl
2010-08-30 18:35 <wpwrak> rafa__: ("heavy ben") whee ! which reminds me .. he still doesn't have the counterweights
2010-08-30 18:36 <rafa__> zear: i can tell you that we extremely serious checking our pockets, bags, and luggage
2010-08-30 18:36 <wpwrak> rafa__: maybe you can pick up a another one on when you return. if you have friends in madrid, perhaps he could mail it to them
2010-08-30 18:36 <rafa__> zear: shit people every place in this world
2010-08-30 18:36 <rafa__> wpwrak: no friends in madrid.. just in ibiza so far
2010-08-30 18:37 <rafa__> well, we go to ibiza as well
2010-08-30 18:37 <zear> rafa__, well, the people of certain ethnicity (won't tell the names because of this channel being logged) who are in great numbers in spain, are known to steal from people at the airports
2010-08-30 18:37 <wpwrak> rafa__: in a way, it makes sense. first their immigration laws force many people to carry lots of valuables. second, no surprise that the thieves realize that, too ...
2010-08-30 18:38 <zear> rafa__, i'm always super safe with my valuables
2010-08-30 18:38 <rafa__> zear: i think that it was in the subway
2010-08-30 18:38 <zear> i always carry them in a separate backpack, i keep my hands on
2010-08-30 18:38 <rafa__> the safe subway of spain :P
2010-08-30 18:39 <zear> rafa__, if that will comfort you, we have no subway in poland ;)
2010-08-30 18:39 <rafa__> haha
2010-08-30 18:40 <rafa__> zear: the no nice thing is tht we were super careful as well
2010-08-30 18:40 <zear> heh
2010-08-30 18:41 <zear> rafa__, at least here you can leave all the precious stuff in the hostel
2010-08-30 18:41 <zear> it is sad it was a nanonote though
2010-08-30 18:41 <rafa__> and surely in just a second where we did not check that
2010-08-30 18:41 <zear> a thief will have no use of it
2010-08-30 18:41 <rafa__> happened
2010-08-30 18:42 <rafa__> zear: i think so (to leave all the stuff in the hostel)
2010-08-30 18:42 <zear> rafa__, do you have a serial number or anything?
2010-08-30 18:42 <rafa__> nope
2010-08-30 18:42 <zear> heh
2010-08-30 18:42 <zear> any marks on the case?
2010-08-30 18:43 <wpwrak> tuxbrain may have the serial number
2010-08-30 18:43 <rafa__> zear: of the nn?
2010-08-30 18:43 <zear> rafa__, yes
2010-08-30 18:43 <rafa__> no.. t was really new
2010-08-30 18:43 <zear> something so we could know this is this unit when we spot it on ebay
2010-08-30 18:43 <rafa__> with the package untouched
2010-08-30 18:43 <zear> what system was installed into it?
2010-08-30 18:44 <zear> also, was it with the box, cleaning cloth, usb cable, carbonated button?
2010-08-30 18:44 <rafa__> zear: no idea.. maybe openwrt because tuxbrain is not selliing the nanowar version yet
2010-08-30 18:44 <rafa__> zear: yes the whole box
2010-08-30 18:44 <rafa__> untouched
2010-08-30 18:44 <zear> that will be hard to trace :(
2010-08-30 18:44 <zear> but still, we might monitor the net
2010-08-30 18:44 <zear> does tuxbrain know about it already?
2010-08-30 18:45 <rafa__> no
2010-08-30 18:45 <zear> should we tall him? So he can tell us what spanish sites to monitor
2010-08-30 18:45 <rafa__> it is my first internet connection after that happened today in madrid
2010-08-30 18:45 <zear> :(
2010-08-30 18:46 <rafa__> zear: yes, we can tell him. no idea if that will be useful. a lot of time checking
2010-08-30 18:46 <zear> this is really sad and not right. I mean, stealing anything is not right, but stealing open hardware is wrong on all the levels
2010-08-30 18:46 <zear> rafa__, but that is a very unusual hardware
2010-08-30 18:46 <rafa__> yes
2010-08-30 18:46 <zear> we have a great chance of spotting it
2010-08-30 18:46 <rafa__> maybe tuxbrain knows where to check
2010-08-30 18:46 <zear> i hope so
2010-08-30 18:47 <wpwrak> well, fortunately nothing more valuable was stolen. i'm sure you can arrange to get another one on your trip if you have a few hours to spare in madrid.
2010-08-30 18:47 <zear> wpwrak, at least for polish conditions, nanonote is VERY valuable ;)
2010-08-30 18:48 <wpwrak> zear: no laptops or smartphones in poland ? :)
2010-08-30 18:48 <zear> wpwrak, i don't give a damn about laptops :P
2010-08-30 18:48 <rafa__> wpwrak: well, i am not sure if we want to spend another 100 more for the gift
2010-08-30 18:48 <zear> this is a nanonote, it costed me ~400PLN including shipment and custom fees
2010-08-30 18:49 <zear> and 1400PLN is a regular in poland
2010-08-30 18:49 <wpwrak> rafa__: ah, i see. getting kinda expensive, yes.
2010-08-30 18:49 <zear> so you can guess it's a good couple of days of hard work
2010-08-30 18:49 <rafa__> zear: what is that in euros? :)
2010-08-30 18:49 <zear> rafa__, wolfram says it's 100 EUR
2010-08-30 18:51 <wpwrak> zear: so what is PLN 1400 ? PLN 400 would be just about the normal price. nothing outrageous. it would be more expensive in argentina :)
2010-08-30 18:52 <zear> wpwrak, 350EUR, this is the monthly salary in poland
2010-08-30 18:53 <zear> but working in mc donalds or in the warehouse would make you even less money
2010-08-30 18:54 <wpwrak> zear: ah, i see. yes, in relative terms, it's not cheap then.
2010-08-30 18:55 <zear> wpwrak, at least we can have a satisfaction that the thief won't be able to sell this nanonote
2010-08-30 18:55 <zear> or he will try to fiddle with it and maybe convert into linux faith :D
2010-08-30 18:55 <wpwrak> zear: yeah. now if it just had a remote destruct function ... :)
2010-08-30 18:56 <zear> it's linux, we can implement it ;D
2010-08-30 18:56 <zear> wpwrak, but that might be a good idea, set an option, that if you're going on a trip you can set it to yell "a thief, a thief!" when someone opens it up :D
2010-08-30 18:57 <wpwrak> zear: they probably don't check their loot until when they're at a safe place. but nice idea anyway :)
2010-08-30 18:58 <zear> i know
2010-08-30 18:58 <zear> but still
2010-08-30 18:58 <zear> it would be useless until you usb boot and reflash it
2010-08-30 18:59 <rafa__> needto go
2010-08-30 18:59 <rafa__> cya geeks
2010-08-30 18:59 <zear> rafa__, cya
2010-08-30 18:59 <zear> i also need to rest
2010-08-30 19:01 <wpwrak> rafa__: cya ! have a few nice beers to wash down the unplansantness ! :)
2010-08-30 19:02 <zear> i will take care of that ;D
2010-08-30 19:02 <zear> damn, i'm taking a lot of stuff with me to warsaw
2010-08-30 19:03 <zear> let's list: Jornada 720, Jornada 928, Ben NanoNote, Freerunner, GP2X, Gizmondo, 2x Dingoo, NDS
2010-08-30 19:03 <zear> hope none of that will get stolen
2010-08-30 20:46 <kristianpaul> http://foocorp.net/foovc/
2010-08-30 20:46 <kristianpaul> Look this Foocorp
2010-08-30 20:49 <qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: Making power source http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/01429d2
2010-08-30 20:53 <wpwrak> and more toys are on their way from digi-key ;-)
2010-08-30 20:53 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: wich ones ??
2010-08-30 20:53 <kristianpaul> cuirios as always ;)
2010-08-30 20:53 <kristianpaul> curious*
2010-08-30 20:55 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: more at86rf230, various integrated baluns to try, a bunch of beads, a collection of rf cables and connectors, and a silver pen. never used the latter but i'm curious if might simplify some rework.
2010-08-30 20:56 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: ah, and a few ft232r. important detail :)
2010-08-30 20:56 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-30 20:56 <kristianpaul> more idbg chips btw?
2010-08-30 20:57 <wpwrak> i still have ~20 of the c8051f326
2010-08-30 20:57 <wpwrak> they're used in idbg and the ben-wpan usb dongle. for the frequency counter, i use the c8051f320
2010-08-30 20:58 <kristianpaul> woo a lot
2010-08-30 20:58 <kristianpaul> you should sell me a idbg some day ;)
2010-08-30 20:59 <wpwrak> the ft232r will be the basis for my new in-circuit programmer for the c8051f32x series. right now, i still use a freerunner plus debug board combo for this. awkward and quite a barrier for anyone wanting to reproduce my circuits.
2010-08-30 20:59 <wpwrak> you can make your own ;-)
2010-08-30 20:59 <kristianpaul> hey :)
2010-08-30 20:59 <kristianpaul> i like that
2010-08-30 21:00 <kristianpaul> sure have tow boards here and more coming
2010-08-30 21:00 <kristianpaul> s/tow/two
2010-08-30 21:00 <wpwrak> two boards of what ?
2010-08-30 21:01 <kristianpaul> ft232r
2010-08-30 21:01 <kristianpaul> i think the right word is breakout baords i'm not sure...
2010-08-30 21:02 <wpwrak> ah ! i'm just getting the chips. much more fun to design your own boards :)
2010-08-30 21:03 <wpwrak> ironically, it may even be more efficient in many cases, because you can also customize all the mechanical aspects
2010-08-30 21:04 <kristianpaul> well i can get the chips in bogota so is okay :)
2010-08-30 21:04 <wpwrak> of course, the little cnc mill i have downstairs is quite helpful for getting boards to look the way i want :) (e.g., i wish anyone luck cutting something like the ben-wpan board with a dremel)
2010-08-30 21:05 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-08-30 21:05 <kristianpaul> dam my reprap is nothing good for milling :/
2010-08-30 21:05 <wpwrak> ah yes, you're luck to have a local chip source. i haven't found anything useful yet. well, i didn't search too hard. digi-key are quick and painless.
2010-08-30 21:06 <wpwrak> you could try to print your boards :) extrude some fr4, then silver-ink on top :)
2010-08-30 21:07 <kristianpaul> i think this guys in bogota are figikey disitrrbuidores
2010-08-30 21:07 <kristianpaul> heh why not ;)
2010-08-30 21:08 <kristianpaul> well accuracy is the problemm..
2010-08-30 21:08 <wpwrak> some of the shops i know around here have amazingly good prices, but they only have old-fashioned components. and poor logistics - you never know what they may actually have in stock.
2010-08-30 21:08 <kristianpaul> true
2010-08-30 21:09 <wpwrak> (accuracy) i guess those 4 mil traces could be a bit of a challenge :)
2010-08-30 21:09 <kristianpaul> how accurate is your cnc?
2010-08-30 21:11 <wpwrak> hmm, hard to say. the positioning is quite accurate, maybe 1/40 mm or better. the problem is usually in the rigidity of the fixture and the table. the table flexes a bit in the z direction, which often makes things hard to predict.
2010-08-30 21:12 <kristianpaul> hmm sort of same with 3d printing
2010-08-30 21:12 <kristianpaul> hot nozzle is ont accurate some tmes...
2010-08-30 21:12 <wpwrak> well, things like milling pcbs with 6 mil bits and such. so far, none of my attempts at that was successful. i'll need to get some thicker endmills.
2010-08-30 21:14 <wpwrak> i'd very much like to be able to mill my pcbs. should be faster than toner transfer plus acid (although i've optimized that one pretty well by now), and it would eliminate registration problems on at least one side. plus, i could do any drilling at the same time, too.
2010-08-30 21:15 <wpwrak> right now it's cutting with the mill (or dremel, if it's something simple), then toner transfer and etching, and drilling manually.
2010-08-30 21:16 <kristianpaul> i dint like tonnet transfer cause the acid part
2010-08-30 21:16 <kristianpaul> i always get dirty :/
2010-08-30 21:16 <wpwrak> since i have big registration problems on two-sided boards with toner transfer, via drills are almost always heavily tiled. not nice.
2010-08-30 21:16 <kristianpaul> bye bye jean...
2010-08-30 21:17 <wpwrak> you're not supposed to *splash* the acid around ! :-)
2010-08-30 21:17 <kristianpaul> hides
2010-08-30 21:17 <kristianpaul> but drops just bring to me :p
2010-08-30 21:17 <kristianpaul> i just need more experience i dont do boards all days
2010-08-30 21:17 <wpwrak> what acid do you use ? ferric chloride ?
2010-08-30 21:17 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-08-30 21:18 <kristianpaul> locally and cheap avaliabl
2010-08-30 21:18 <kristianpaul> e
2010-08-30 21:18 <kristianpaul> localyy i mean inmy town
2010-08-30 21:18 <wpwrak> that stuff sucks. stains as hell and you need to warm it up, which adds a lot of problems on its own.
2010-08-30 21:18 <wpwrak> there's a MUCH better solution. cheaper, too. HCl and peroxide.
2010-08-30 21:18 <kristianpaul> ahhh
2010-08-30 21:19 <kristianpaul> i need quote those then :)
2010-08-30 21:19 <wpwrak> works at room temperature, about twice as fast as ferric chloride, it's a clear liquid, and it stays clean when using, not the brown-black sludge you get with ferric cloride.
2010-08-30 21:20 <kristianpaul> so i can re-use more than ferric.. ?
2010-08-30 21:20 <wpwrak> hcl you get at any hardware store (ferreteria). peroxide at any pharmacy.
2010-08-30 21:21 <wpwrak> mix two parts peroide (at the concentration you get at pharmacies - it's pretty weak. no need to get the stronger stuff) with one part of HCl and you're all set. couldn't be easier.
2010-08-30 21:22 <wpwrak> i'm not sure about reuse. supposedly, long reuse is possible, but you probably have to put it into a bottle to prevent the peroxide from escaping.
2010-08-30 21:22 <wpwrak> i just make small quantities so that i don't have much waste. and small boards to start with ;-)
2010-08-30 21:24 <wpwrak> of course, since the stuff costs next to nothing, it's not a big deal to have to discard some. only issue is neutralizing it. i toss a bit of NaOH (caustic soda) into the glass, quickly get away, and hope for the best :)
2010-08-30 21:25 <wpwrak> also caustic soda is easily available at any hardware store. it's actually quite surprising that ferric chloride is so popular, when you can get much better materials so easily.
2010-08-30 21:25 <kristianpaul> huy muy caro en cali esta mas barato
2010-08-30 21:25 <kristianpaul> ooops
2010-08-30 21:26 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: http://foocorp.net/foovc/
2010-08-30 21:26 <kristianpaul> loook
2010-08-30 21:26 <kristianpaul> and comment i'm curios ;)
2010-08-30 21:27 <wpwrak> only two issues with that acid: 1) it's more aggressive than ferric cloride, so you should be careful not to spill it. 2) it's clear, so you won't see the spills so easily and someone (kids, drunken guests, etc.)  may even think it's something they can drink.
2010-08-30 21:28 <kristianpaul> drunken guests??
2010-08-30 21:29 <wpwrak> friends who come over for a drink, girls you pick up at a bar/club, folks that come when you're having a party, etc.
2010-08-30 21:29 <kristianpaul> yeah sure..
2010-08-30 21:30 <kristianpaul> dont have that kind of social activities yet..
2010-08-30 21:31 <wpwrak> so you can safely do all the chemistry you want ;-)
2010-08-30 21:31 <kristianpaul> yeah !
2010-08-30 21:35 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: nice, that's good!
2010-08-30 21:36 <wolfspraul> I'm wondering whether they want to sell those FooPlugs later too, or just have whatever thing to attach the donation to?
2010-08-30 21:36 <wolfspraul> if they can make money that way - more power to them
2010-08-30 21:38 <kristianpaul> interesting
2010-08-30 21:43 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, how is the next ben run going ?
2010-08-30 21:44 <wolfspraul> in sourcing I think. I don't check every day, too many things moving.
2010-08-30 21:45 <wolfspraul> and no, there will be no changes :-) none.
2010-08-30 21:45 <wolfspraul> let's call it stability :-)
2010-08-30 21:45 <wpwrak> dang. and i was so counting on the 20" widescreen and the umts modem :)
2010-08-30 21:46 <wolfspraul> the umts modem of course with your chip antenna design and osmocombb-3g/lte
2010-08-30 21:47 <wpwrak> chip antennas are lame. pcb antennas rule ! ;-)
2010-08-30 21:47 <wpwrak> well, it would admittedly be cool to cook our own designer ceramics ...
2010-08-30 21:48 <wpwrak> "designer" not for the shape but for the physical properties. almost all the interesting things in material science happen these days with ceramics.
2010-08-30 21:49 <kristianpaul> how is that wpwrak ?
2010-08-30 21:49 <kristianpaul> ceramics?
2010-08-30 21:49 <wolfspraul> oh no, don't get him started...
2010-08-30 21:49 <kristianpaul> sorry :)
2010-08-30 21:50 <wpwrak> ;-))
2010-08-30 21:50 <wolfspraul> next time I go to Buenos Aires I will see an apartment that is half turned into a diy ceramics lab
2010-08-30 21:50 <kristianpaul> hides this chanel from his view
2010-08-30 21:50 <kristianpaul> lol
2010-08-30 21:50 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-30 21:51 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: well, think "high temperature" superconductors. they're all based on sophisticated ceramic mixtures.
2010-08-30 21:51 <wpwrak> also lots of electronics use special ceramics: capacitors, inductors, oscillators, antennas, ...
2010-08-30 21:52 <kristianpaul> i wasnt aware about atennas
2010-08-30 21:52 <kristianpaul> great
2010-08-30 21:52 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: naw, 1/3 is already office and lab. taking another 50% from this would start to interfere with essentials :)
2010-08-30 21:53 <kristianpaul> hey seems worthly travel to argentina this days :)
2010-08-30 21:53 <kristianpaul> and i jsut need my passort i think :)
2010-08-30 21:53 <kristianpaul> hope still*
2010-08-30 21:56 <wpwrak> argentina is a good place to visit :)
2010-08-30 22:09 <rafa> kristianpaul: do you want to visit us? :)
2010-08-30 22:09 <kristianpaul> rafa: why not :)
2010-08-30 22:10 <kristianpaul> we speak same languiage
2010-08-30 22:10 <kristianpaul> same side of the world
2010-08-30 22:10 <kristianpaul> is not that bad :)
2010-08-30 22:10 <rafa> wpwrak: we were out for a while but because we do not much the city we just buy some beers and we are again in hostel enjoying wifi :)
2010-08-30 22:10 <kristianpaul> hmm mmc source code is now in openwrt inst?
2010-08-30 22:11 <rafa> kristianpaul: yeah ;)
2010-08-30 22:11 <wpwrak> rafa: ah, so you'll go exploring tomorrow :)
2010-08-30 22:11 <nebby-jay> http://osliving.com/sourced/real-world-open-source/meet-apertus-the-open-source-hd-cinema-camera/
2010-08-30 22:11 <rafa> fun.. gf is using netbook with wpa connection
2010-08-30 22:12 <kristianpaul> damm i need learn how to browse linux source..
2010-08-30 22:12 <rafa> but my hp palmtop just works with wpe
2010-08-30 22:13 <rafa> so we plugged neo freerunner via usb to netbook, for freerunner the netbook is its default router, then we set the wlan in neo as wep and adohc
2010-08-30 22:13 <rafa> then i set my old tiny hp palmtop wifi so neo is its default router
2010-08-30 22:13 <rafa> now i have internet
2010-08-30 22:14 <kristianpaul> long hops
2010-08-30 22:14 <rafa> who does say the freerunner is not useful?
2010-08-30 22:14 <rafa> :)
2010-08-30 22:15 <rafa> wpwrak: yes, we have in a good place in downtown
2010-08-30 22:16 <rafa> so it is safe i guess.. but we are exploring a bit, just a bit this night
2010-08-30 22:16 <rafa> tomorrow maybe a bit morw
2010-08-30 22:16 <rafa> hehe
2010-08-30 22:16 <wpwrak> (fr as wifi router) nice ;)
2010-08-30 22:17 <rafa> we are in a good place*
2010-08-30 22:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Attempt at avoiding the false changes seen on Xue. Seems that alpha-blending http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/78f6cfb
2010-08-30 22:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Fixed some smaller bugs and slightly improved formatting of commit entries. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a0cdb1e
2010-08-30 22:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Files in the first commit didn't have an HTML wrapper with PDF link. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/20184ed
2010-08-30 22:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Reduce the number of I/O redirections. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6260614
2010-08-30 22:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Reorganized cache and output directory structure. Some code cleanup. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a3aac7e
2010-08-30 22:26 <rafa> wolfspraul: hey.. did you read the short story today?
2010-08-30 22:27 <rafa> wolfspraul: when we went to the tuxbrain town to visit him we bought a nn for a friend
2010-08-30 22:28 <rafa> today somebody opened the backpack of my gf and stole it :( (in madrid)
2010-08-30 22:28 <rafa> so now i am drinnking beer to forget
2010-08-30 22:28 <kristianpaul> :(
2010-08-30 22:28 <rafa> well, i often drink beer :P
2010-08-30 22:29 <rafa> no to forget. just for fun
2010-08-30 22:30 <rafa> but no today
2010-08-30 22:30 <rafa> grrr.. i can not forget the story... shit thief
2010-08-30 22:31 <wpwrak> rafa: what happened, happened. no point to dwell on it. shit happens :-(
2010-08-30 22:31 <rafa> yeah
2010-08-30 22:33 <rafa> wpwrak: and the hostel has a bar.. but it is closed right now.. everyone against me??! :D
2010-08-30 22:35 <wpwrak> well, it's monday :) besides, hotel bars tend to be sad affairs most of the time.
2010-08-30 22:40 <wolfspraul> argh that's stupid
2010-08-30 22:43 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: wait a bit and you can use ieee 802.15.4 :)