2010-08-29 00:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: fpd2pdf: ignore fped backup files (and option -a to still use them) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b3728b5
2010-08-29 00:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Minor code cleanup and robustness improvement. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3ca646c
2010-08-29 00:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Generate commit entry and show diffs also for the first commit. Plus cleanup. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/56a9504
2010-08-29 01:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Neil Stockbridge: The help text in Nightsky is now more accurate http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ec36abc
2010-08-29 01:30 <wolfspraul> can't wait to have nightsky on my NanoNote...
2010-08-29 01:33 <wpwrak> yeah, on those cloudy days, it's the only option :)
2010-08-29 01:35 <unclouded> wolfspraul: what's stopping you at the moment?
2010-08-29 01:36 <unclouded> wpwrak: it's been cloudy here as well ever since I wrote it!  I had to compare the view with Stellarium to test it!
2010-08-29 01:36 <wpwrak> darn. optimization defeated by the kernel's maximum symbolic link depth. that's a first :)
2010-08-29 01:37 <orly_owl> wonders what other hardware there is
2010-08-29 01:37 <wpwrak> unclouded: ;-)) so your nick expresses some wishful thinking :)
2010-08-29 01:38 <unclouded> wpwrak: I was just thinking the exact same thing
2010-08-29 01:39 <wolfspraul> unclouded: not much, just need to install and try :-)
2010-08-29 01:39 <unclouded> wolfspraul: fingers crossed all the bugs have been ironed out then
2010-08-29 01:52 <wpwrak> ben-wpan/atrf cache down from 357 MB to 114 MB. now let's see what happens with xue ...
2010-08-29 01:57 <wpwrak> aah ! and i found a bug. some of the empty sheets are cause by spaces in the file name. let's see where that quoting is insufficient ...
2010-08-29 02:03 <wolfspraul> oh nice, that sounds promising
2010-08-29 02:08 <wpwrak> hmpf. first time i get to use  ls --quoting-style=literal
2010-08-29 02:14 <wpwrak> hmm, nope. that doesn't work :(
2010-08-29 02:23 <wpwrak> reaches deep into the box of dirt bash kludges
2010-08-29 02:35 <wpwrak> brings out < <(ls -1)
2010-08-29 02:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Optimize cache usage by symlinking identical PPMs. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/02e2bf5
2010-08-29 02:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Despite trying to be careful with quoting, some spaces in file names still http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/cfbdd45
2010-08-29 02:45 <wpwrak> xue cache is down to 615 MB (from 3.7 GB). some more stuff has become visible :)  http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/demo2/
2010-08-29 02:48 <wpwrak> and i need a bigger screen :)
2010-08-29 02:48 <wolfspraul> hmm
2010-08-29 02:49 <wolfspraul> too bad we had this chie->xue rename
2010-08-29 02:49 <wpwrak> i'm not done yet :0
2010-08-29 02:49 <wolfspraul> and the initial import into xue was done in such a way that the chie history is lost
2010-08-29 02:49 <wpwrak> s/:0/:)/
2010-08-29 02:49 <wpwrak> the lost history is a more serious issue
2010-08-29 02:50 <wolfspraul> the older chie repository is still there
2010-08-29 02:50 <wolfspraul> (hidden I think but it's somewhere)
2010-08-29 02:51 <wolfspraul> is it possible to 'patch' the older history back in?
2010-08-29 02:51 <wpwrak> is it also in git ?
2010-08-29 02:52 <wolfspraul> yes
2010-08-29 02:52 <wolfspraul> it's not much though, just 4 days
2010-08-29 02:52 <wolfspraul> one sec
2010-08-29 02:53 <wolfspraul> oh I think as admin you should see it already
2010-08-29 02:53 <wolfspraul> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/p/chie
2010-08-29 02:53 <wolfspraul> do you see that?
2010-08-29 02:54 <wpwrak> my superpowers have met their match: "You are not authorized to view this page." :)
2010-08-29 02:55 <wpwrak> to piece things together, maybe you can use those mysterious "grafts". jan luebbe would be the expert for these critters.
2010-08-29 02:56 <wolfspraul> try again
2010-08-29 02:57 <wolfspraul> I'm not even sure it's worth stitching the history back together
2010-08-29 02:57 <wolfspraul> it's just 4 days and quite a few commits are labeled 'just a kicad test' and similar
2010-08-29 02:58 <wolfspraul> if the mostly empty chie columns in the diffsch view would go away that's 95% of the value
2010-08-29 03:02 <wpwrak> yes, the sheets i see as "starting point" don't look overly exciting. most of the time, you only care about relatively recent things anyway.
2010-08-29 03:03 <wpwrak> now the access works
2010-08-29 03:03 <wpwrak> here's a quick cheat for the empty columns: just scroll to the right :) they're now all nicely bunched on the left side. the others are now populated.
2010-08-29 03:04 <wolfspraul> true
2010-08-29 03:04 <wolfspraul> it's very nice already, no doubt
2010-08-29 03:06 <wpwrak> still a few more things on the to do list ...i also want to get rid of the "commit" line and put the date there instead. small stuff.
2010-08-29 03:08 <wpwrak> i think they had a bit of an edit war at commits 9202afdec7dd4d8ea292fcd28611032cecc70dba 263badf95fc8844f891b1ab9d9d072bc05abf7dc and 16026245e7eb4ad70b623f25616fb27e278f71f1 :-)
2010-08-29 03:12 <wpwrak> i should make a new project with all those gadgets. there are also fpd2pdf and the new and improved dsv system. and then we have things like symbols and footprints that could also be shared.
2010-08-29 03:14 <wolfspraul> yes agreed, new project
2010-08-29 03:17 <wpwrak> i wonder if it should all go into one, or separate projects for scripts and symbols/footprints ? of course, the latter tend to have some small scripts as well, e.g., to turn fped footprints into kicad modules
2010-08-29 03:19 <wpwrak> ah, and then there's the question whether it's possible to migrate the git history along with the files
2010-08-29 03:22 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: "stripped". i think he means "gcc -s" or "strip some_executable" :)
2010-08-29 03:23 <wpwrak> dist.ro ... nice domain use :)
2010-08-29 03:24 <wolfspraul> I don't have overview over the scripts right now, their complexity, dependencies. so don't know about 1 project or multiple.
2010-08-29 03:26 <wpwrak> i would put the scripts into a single project. the question is whether this project should also host symbols and footprints or whether they should go elsewhere.
2010-08-29 03:27 <wpwrak> i.e., "one-stop-shopping eda stuff" vs. ("eda tools" plus "symbols/footprints")
2010-08-29 03:29 <wpwrak> the latter would be cleaner. the former would remove one step from the setup procedure. (you still need to get kicad, fped, etc. so the list of dependencies still has a certain size)
2010-08-29 03:32 <wolfspraul> with "symbols/footprints" you mean stuff shared between multiple kicad projects?
2010-08-29 03:34 <wolfspraul> then I would rather make 2 projects. you never know how things continue, who picks up what (also outside of qi).
2010-08-29 03:36 <wpwrak> (sym/fp) yes. e.g., xue and ben-wpan both reused stdpass.fpd from gta02-core (so there are now three copies of that file. hopefully all still identical ;-)
2010-08-29 03:36 <wpwrak> ok. soon we'll need a hierarchical project tree instead of a list ;-)
2010-08-29 03:39 <wpwrak> but first some food ...
2010-08-29 03:42 <wolfspraul> enjoy
2010-08-29 03:43 <wpwrak> thanks :)
2010-08-29 08:04 <wpwrak> cool. ftdi have a new series, the ft232r, where they now finally learned how to get rid of the crystal, too. in order to do more than basic serial conversion, e.g., to bit-bang, you need to use their binary-only library, though. no documentation to find about the protocol. do they never tire of that sort of shit ?
2010-08-29 08:07 <kristianpaul> dall i have one of those chips :/
2010-08-29 08:07 <kristianpaul> n/dall/damm
2010-08-29 08:08 <kristianpaul> two of then... :(
2010-08-29 08:08 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: so, really no free driver for the gpios ? i searched all their documents and came back empty-handed.
2010-08-29 08:09 <kristianpaul> seems there is for windows
2010-08-29 08:09 <kristianpaul> let me check again
2010-08-29 08:09 <wpwrak> silabs, on the other hand, have some usb-to-serial chips, where they provide a gpl'ed kernel driver for linux. so the protocol is implicitly documented :)
2010-08-29 08:10 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-08-29 08:10 <wpwrak> what i'm after is a usb-to-a-bunch-of-gpios chip that doesn't need any firmware bootstrap, so that i can use it for a firmware bootstrap programmer for the c8051f32x.
2010-08-29 08:11 <kristianpaul> well i need sorft of that i think too for some coming boards too
2010-08-29 08:12 <kristianpaul> but with high speed bit bang (3Mhz)
2010-08-29 08:12 <kristianpaul> to usb
2010-08-29 08:13 <wpwrak> there are some larger ftdis that can do this and where the protocol is documented
2010-08-29 08:13 <kristianpaul> buit i think you can setup bit bang/gpio on the EEPROM just the provided sofware is avalaiable for windows only it seems
2010-08-29 08:14 <kristianpaul> i'm reading DS_FT232R.pdf page 13
2010-08-29 08:15 <wpwrak> silabs' c2102 goes up to 1 mbps. i think it's just a c8051f327
2010-08-29 08:16 <kristianpaul> http://ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes/AN232R-01_FT232RBitBangModes.pdf
2010-08-29 08:16 <wpwrak> yup. via their DLL
2010-08-29 08:16 <kristianpaul> :/
2010-08-29 08:17 <wpwrak> let's see what is in their zip ...
2010-08-29 08:18 <wpwrak> oh, that doesn't look too bad. i see sources :)
2010-08-29 08:18 <kristianpaul> compile, compile !
2010-08-29 08:19 <kristianpaul> i guess blobed sources..
2010-08-29 08:20 <wpwrak> ah no. that's just libusb
2010-08-29 08:20 <kristianpaul> shit
2010-08-29 08:20 <kristianpaul> oops
2010-08-29 08:22 <wpwrak> libftdi, however, seems to support he ft232r
2010-08-29 08:23 <wpwrak> okay, that's acceptable. phew. why make it easy if you can let people jump through hoops :-(
2010-08-29 08:26 <kristianpaul> i did :'(
2010-08-29 08:27 <kristianpaul> was cheap i i bought in a colombia electronic shop to avoid import more stuff
2010-08-29 08:27 <kristianpaul> s/colombia/colombian
2010-08-29 08:28 <wpwrak> yeah, they're very widespread. that's why i was considering it in the first place. the goal here is to make something that's easy to get.
2010-08-29 08:33 <wpwrak> hmm. small obstacle. i need to be able to create a pulse of 20...5000 ns
2010-08-29 08:33 <kristianpaul> thats not so small i think ;)
2010-08-29 08:34 <wpwrak> 5 us is plenty of time in most cases. however, if you're on the other side of USB ...
2010-08-29 08:35 <wpwrak> but it seems that the ftdi can bundle multiple operations in a single usb transfer
2010-08-29 08:52 <wpwrak> one more item for my digi-key shopping list :)
2010-08-29 08:57 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-29 09:13 <kristianpaul> any one had take a look to the wikiriader summer update?
2010-08-29 09:38 <wpwrak> grmbl. x complains that i'm at the maximum number of clients :-( nonsense. only 316 in total.
2010-08-29 09:44 <wolfspraul> symlinks, X clients, ...
2010-08-29 09:46 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: they keep hacking, but it's very tied to their own microkernel and embedded system. will be hard to reuse for anyone else.
2010-08-29 09:47 <wolfspraul> but of course it's good, if they continue and have a clean design maybe some things are reusable...don't know. I would probably start with those textual readers we found recently, and once I run into issues the wikireader project would be one to look for sources to cut & paste from.
2010-08-29 09:50 <kristianpaul> rafa__:  did a great work about that
2010-08-29 09:51 <kristianpaul> at least is simple and works
2010-08-29 09:51 <kristianpaul> but getting the dump not sure how hard or update it is?..
2010-08-29 09:51 <wolfspraul> what reader did rafa__ work on? and what dump format does it need? I didn't follow in detail...
2010-08-29 09:52 <kristianpaul> is a dump from the humane project
2010-08-29 09:52 <kristianpaul> i think is not up to date
2010-08-29 09:52 <kristianpaul> arggg damm my processor is getting slow :/
2010-08-29 09:52 <kristianpaul> nv
2010-08-29 09:53 <kristianpaul> now i see whye two cores are important :)
2010-08-29 09:53 <kristianpaul> i think the script from humane have problems with the lastest wikipedia dumps
2010-08-29 09:54 <kristianpaul> so the guy from the porject sent and old already done dump wich already works
2010-08-29 09:54 <kristianpaul> as far as i know
2010-08-29 09:55 <kristianpaul> http://xkcd.com/783/ lol :)
2010-08-29 09:56 <kristianpaul> so rafa have a nice gui
2010-08-29 09:56 <wolfspraul> ah OK
2010-08-29 09:57 <kristianpaul> and simple command line that search from the dump as easy as:
2010-08-29 09:57 <kristianpaul> command article
2010-08-29 10:02 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ben-dispshell-outside: 1 mm and 500 um scans are done. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-scans/aedcb76
2010-08-29 10:10 <wpwrak> hmm. not so easy to find a 2.4/5.8 GHz antenna one can connect to a regular SMA system without too much trouble.
2010-08-29 10:15 <wpwrak> in fact, it may be more or less impossible. interesting.
2010-08-29 10:19 <wolfspraul> too bad gotta go, will read tomorrow and try to understand what that means... (with the antenna)
2010-08-29 10:20 <kristianpaul> bye
2010-08-29 10:22 <wpwrak> wlan uses a "reverse male" connector. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_connector
2010-08-29 10:23 <wpwrak> so all the cheap wifi antennas don't fit directly on a "standard" sma system. instead, they need some sort of adapter.
2010-08-29 10:50 <wpwrak> hmm, does anyone know if there's a reasonable way to move a file, along with its revision history, from one repository to another ? let's assume for simplicity that all the commits changing that file changed only that file.
2010-08-29 11:03 <larsc> hm
2010-08-29 11:04 <larsc> quick and dirty: cherry pick each commit that changes the file
2010-08-29 11:09 <wpwrak> larsc: hmm, but that doens't work across repositories. i could of course convert commits into patches, and apply these. hmm ...
2010-08-29 11:10 <larsc> well you can add the one as a remote to the other, cant you?
2010-08-29 11:10 <wpwrak> ah, that may be an option indeed. haven't used that yet.
2010-08-29 11:18 <wpwrak> yeah, i like the idea. thanks a lot !
2010-08-29 11:46 <wpwrak> and an EE question: i'm looking for a simple small shielded connector that plugs and unplugs easily. should interface well with rg-174. the usual barrel types are cheap but they're all on the large side. the best choices seem to be mcx and mmcx. which of these two is more future-proof ?
2010-08-29 11:48 <he2> hi
2010-08-29 11:49 <he2> has some one tried to install debian on the nn yet?
2010-08-29 11:51 <wpwrak> hmm, mmcx seems to be the choice. has nice board edge connectors.
2010-08-29 12:40 <he2> could someone help me?
2010-08-29 17:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: Something routing http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/27b4eac
2010-08-29 18:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: Cleaning http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/867023b
2010-08-29 20:50 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: OK I understood the sma/rp-sma problem now. oh well. Wikipedia says it's to make it harder to connect antennas that would create a system the FCC doesn't like.
2010-08-29 20:51 <wolfspraul> I'll go read that section mentioned in the Wikipedia article now :-) (15.203 Antenna requirement)
2010-08-29 20:51 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: that could be a problem with GPS Atenna too, at least about finding a small one sma-like compatible
2010-08-29 20:51 <kristianpaul> the GPS's i saw in the past have build in atenna i think
2010-08-29 20:52 <wolfspraul> indeed, an anti-hacker regulation
2010-08-29 20:52 <wolfspraul> http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title47/47-1.0.1.1.12.3.236.3.html
2010-08-29 20:53 <wolfspraul> or rather 'a hacker has to be really good' regulation
2010-08-29 20:53 <wolfspraul> interesting
2010-08-29 20:54 <kristianpaul> ", but the use of a standard antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited" !!!
2010-08-29 20:54 <kristianpaul> but thats stupid i saw phones with sma-looking connectors
2010-08-29 20:54 <wolfspraul> yes, that's where (if I understand things correctly) Werner's problem of finding a standard antenna comes from
2010-08-29 20:54 <kristianpaul> is the same thinfg i can attach other atenna anyway
2010-08-29 20:54 <kristianpaul> yes it seems
2010-08-29 20:55 <kristianpaul> thats just make all this propietary now each vendors have their own stuff to sell at high rates !
2010-08-29 20:55 <wolfspraul> I am wondering whether a device that has a standard connector behind plastic, but where you first need to drill a hole, would be considered sufficient.
2010-08-29 20:55 <kristianpaul> like the weird TNC connector in some Linksys wireless
2010-08-29 20:56 <wolfspraul> if we ever ran into this, we would need to find out what's 'hard enough' so it passes the FCC approved hacker standard
2010-08-29 20:57 <kristianpaul> may be easy attached/detach atenna with haker-like connector (of course not standard)
2010-08-29 20:58 <kristianpaul> look: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=44#imageTab
2010-08-29 20:58 <kristianpaul> but hacker-friendly
2010-08-29 20:58 <kristianpaul> i think
2010-08-29 20:59 <wolfspraul> are you sure the GPS problem is the same? I think external, standard, GPS antennas are quite common, no?
2010-08-29 20:59 <wolfspraul> it's receive only anyway
2010-08-29 20:59 <kristianpaul> not sure
2010-08-29 21:00 <kristianpaul> but i'm jsut wondering why i dint found small atenna with sma connector
2010-08-29 21:00 <kristianpaul> may be i need do more searching
2010-08-29 21:01 <kristianpaul> like this product http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9436
2010-08-29 21:01 <kristianpaul> antenny looks tiny but i dont see wich stanrds uses or even a spare part
2010-08-29 21:02 <kristianpaul> but i'm not sure, i think i need find a good book about atennas wich was pointed i the book i was reading
2010-08-29 21:02 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: you used "sma" and "small" in the same sentence ? :)
2010-08-29 21:03 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: yes
2010-08-29 21:03 <kristianpaul> but look http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9871
2010-08-29 21:03 <kristianpaul> an atenna !
2010-08-29 21:03 <kristianpaul> damm i saw it before but i tought it was gps too
2010-08-29 21:03 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: have you solved the antenna problem you had? anything I can do to help?
2010-08-29 21:04 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: no need to add fcc-displeasing connectors. probably within the hours after they passed that regulation, the factories started producing adapters rp-sma to whatever you fancy ;-)
2010-08-29 21:05 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: (antenna) cute :)
2010-08-29 21:05 <kristianpaul>  heh seems the GPS antenna was no big deal after allm whe you eliminate wthe word SMA from the search ;)
2010-08-29 21:05 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: why not atenna in PCB
2010-08-29 21:05 <kristianpaul>  i saw mesh potatoe using
2010-08-29 21:06 <kristianpaul> that idea
2010-08-29 21:06 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: it's for the test equipment
2010-08-29 21:06 <kristianpaul> ah
2010-08-29 21:06 <kristianpaul> i toght was real solution
2010-08-29 21:06 <kristianpaul> tought*
2010-08-29 21:06 <wpwrak> my next order at digi-key will have a bunch of sma/mmcx/u.fl parts in it :)
2010-08-29 21:07 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-29 21:07 <kristianpaul> they should give you discount if you keep buying all that things ;)
2010-08-29 21:08 <wpwrak> it's a pity you need to many different sizes. bnc for scopes and the like, sma for rf, mmcx if it should be coax and resonably small (e.g., for my frequency counter), and then u.fl if it should go on the board.
2010-08-29 21:08 <kristianpaul> ouch
2010-08-29 21:08 <wpwrak> (discount) they found a good fede rate for argentina. down from usd 100+ to usd 40. that's already quite nice :)
2010-08-29 21:09 <wpwrak> fedeX
2010-08-29 21:09 <kristianpaul> where i can ceck rates to colombia btw?
2010-08-29 21:09 <wpwrak> i'll make the frequency counter a usb dongle. should be fun :)
2010-08-29 21:10 <kristianpaul> i'm not aware off digikey webpage
2010-08-29 21:10 <wpwrak> let's see ...
2010-08-29 21:10 <wpwrak> http://ordering.digikey.com/Ordering/InternatlShipRates.aspx
2010-08-29 21:10 <kristianpaul> i need to move from sparkfun to a more serious provider
2010-08-29 21:10 <wpwrak> whee. usd 100 for you. that's because the plane has to stop so soon :)
2010-08-29 21:11 <kristianpaul> is just sparkfun shiping is cheap as i can choose from first class to next two fays deliver :)
2010-08-29 21:11 <kristianpaul> damm
2010-08-29 21:11 <wpwrak> digi-key are extremely well organized. and they're incredibly fast. you send them a 100+ items order before 7 pm their time and it's on the plane that same night.
2010-08-29 21:12 <kristianpaul> may be i can send it to miami then to colombia
2010-08-29 21:12 <kristianpaul> wow
2010-08-29 21:12 <wpwrak> ah, you can try usps. digi-key sometimes offer that, too. that may be cheaper.
2010-08-29 21:13 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-08-29 21:14 <kristianpaul> what some cuntries have 100+ free shipping??
2010-08-29 21:15 <kristianpaul> http://paste.debian.net/86597 looky wolfspraul  :)
2010-08-29 21:16 <wpwrak> countries where it's already cheap :)
2010-08-29 21:17 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: yes you should setup a forwarding account in Miami
2010-08-29 21:17 <wolfspraul> (for example, many happen to be in Miami)
2010-08-29 21:17 <wolfspraul> from there to Colombia is only 4-8 USD for a small package I think, something like that if I remember correctly
2010-08-29 21:17 <kristianpaul> sure i did that to get all my electronic stuff so far, last was avnet board
2010-08-29 21:18 <kristianpaul> 49 + 30 (miami carrier + colombia taxes)
2010-08-29 21:18 <kristianpaul> USD
2010-08-29 21:18 <kristianpaul> not bad i think
2010-08-29 21:18 <wolfspraul> sounds expensive, are you sure this is the cheapest way to forward things?
2010-08-29 21:18 <kristianpaul> nope
2010-08-29 21:19 <kristianpaul> well if i have famliy in the US that send the thing like gift will help
2010-08-29 21:19 <kristianpaul> but for the avnet i think wasf fair the box was 700gr
2010-08-29 21:20 <kristianpaul> i paid two shipping once from avnet to miami then to colombia
2010-08-29 21:20 <kristianpaul> plus taxes
2010-08-29 21:20 <kristianpaul> wasnot so bad
2010-08-29 21:20 <kristianpaul> but i dont mind if i can get it better :)
2010-08-29 21:20 <kristianpaul> maybe andres-calderon  know how?
2010-08-29 21:22 <kristianpaul> well i dont have famuly in the US, but some pople use then to send stuff like gift then save on taxes
2010-08-29 21:22 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: sure try ask Carlos or Andres maybe they know more options
2010-08-29 21:24 <kristianpaul> i dream with a electronic shop i china/hong kong/whatever with world wide free shipping as dealextreme :)
2010-08-29 21:25 <andres-calderon> http://ordering.digikey.com/Ordering/ShipCostEstimator.aspx?site=us
2010-08-29 21:40 <wpwrak> andres-calderon: i saw that you have an A2 sheet among your schematics (for the FPGA). is this really pleasant to work with ?
2010-08-29 21:44 <wpwrak> wolfspraul, andres-calderon: btw, schematics are now properly scaled. i seem to have a number of false changes on the fpga sheet, though. still debugging that one. http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/demo2/
2010-08-29 21:44 <andres-calderon> not really, but the FPGA is composed of five big parts...  I do not know how to handle in differently way.
2010-08-29 21:44 <wpwrak> andres-calderon: just put them on different sheets ?
2010-08-29 21:46 <wpwrak> the big sheet must be difficult to read if you print it on A4. it also looks ugly in my bitmap images, that's why i care :)
2010-08-29 21:46 <wolfspraul> maybe the scale (pixel resolution) of the large image could be a bit larger still? I think some text is hard to read, especially when green and red are written over each other.
2010-08-29 21:48 <wpwrak> i could make it larger, yes. but then that becomes difficult to naviate ...
2010-08-29 21:48 <wpwrak> what i'm thinking of is to also generate pdfs (zoomable but without deltas). that way, one could go there for the details.
2010-08-29 21:49 <andres-calderon>  wpwrak I do not know if a component can be split  through multiples sheets.
2010-08-29 21:49 <wpwrak> the workflow would then be to first pick an interesting change from the overview, have a look at the detail picture, and then go to the pdfs to see every last detail.
2010-08-29 21:50 <wpwrak> green and red overlays are virtually impossible to make readable.  i would have to make an animated gif or such.
2010-08-29 21:51 <wpwrak> of course, with pdf you could just flip back and forth. so that solves the problem as well. particularly if you know where to look.
2010-08-29 21:52 <wpwrak> andres-calderon: that should be no problem at all. e.g., here, the CPU (U1501) is broken down into something like 16 parts, spread all over the schematics: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-all.pdf
2010-08-29 21:55 <andres-calderon> ok, then I go to split the sheet
2010-08-29 21:58 <wpwrak> whoa ! for the cc2520: "Due to U.S. export controls, we are unable to add this item to your order."
2010-08-29 21:59 <wpwrak> well, this simplifies things in a way
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: scripts/: minor Makefile cleanup. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/081aed3
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Schematics sheets are now scaled and shifted (may still need some tuning) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a1c5386
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Copied WPAN-ARTF design files over for WPAN-CCRF. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/dce1c10
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Put main components for the CC2520-based design on the schematics. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e4b7574
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: U-turn: The US restrict export of the CC2520. Atmel scores a design win. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/7fbcfaa
2010-08-29 22:22 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Removed the CC2520 from AUTHORS as well. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a61e9da