2010-08-17 00:07 xiangfu: a question for you, where normally i can put music files on NN? 2010-08-17 00:08 zhangyi:Â Â just put them under "/root" 2010-08-17 00:08 xiangfu: ah, okay 2010-08-17 00:08 xiangfu: thanks 2010-08-17 00:10 zhangyi: :) 2010-08-17 00:31 [commit] Andres Calderon: DDR0 termaintor placement http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/5c25d1c 2010-08-17 02:04 I'm trying to port a package to OpenWRT and I say "make package/vice/{clean,compile} V=99" and it says "make[2]: Nothing to be done for `compile'.".Â Â Why would it say this? 2010-08-17 02:08 no Package/vice/install section 2010-08-17 02:09 does that stop it compiling?Â Â I did comment that section out temporarily 2010-08-17 02:09 yes 2010-08-17 02:13 thanks very much.Â Â that's sorted it 2010-08-17 02:25 hi, Ive installed Debian but I cant apt-get update due to the size of the repo (i think) can anyone help? 2010-08-17 02:31 have you set up some swap?Â Â apt-get update uses a lot of memory I think 2010-08-17 02:34 I think that's the problem, how do i set up swap and should i keep it , i figured swap wouldn't be a good idea on flash memory 2010-08-17 02:37 have you installed to SD or to the NAND? 2010-08-17 02:37 to the NAND 2010-08-17 02:39 have you got a micro-SD to use for swap? it's obviously a lot easier and cheaper to replace a micro-SD than you NAND if you -do- swap it to death 2010-08-17 02:39 no i'm limited to the NAND for now 2010-08-17 02:41 sorry I don't know how to set up swap on NAND.Â Â do you know if swap can work with NBDs?Â Â that might be an option assuming you don't need swap when you're on the road 2010-08-17 02:43 seems it might be possible to swap on NBDs: http://wiki.emqbit.com/set up swap over nbd 2010-08-17 02:43 ( sorry the URL is broken with spaces.Â Â you might need to clean that up) 2010-08-17 02:46 that looks helpful, thanks! 2010-08-17 02:47 you'll need to make sure the nbd module is in your NanoNote kernel though 2010-08-17 06:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add console fonts package http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/be138dd 2010-08-17 06:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update email address http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d918c83 2010-08-17 10:38 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_News_2010-08-11 2010-08-17 10:48 lekernel: he, our community news are so abandoned - thanks for picking this up! 2010-08-17 10:48 I just changed the kernel credits from mirko to lars, I think that's fair to say. 2010-08-17 10:49 I need to get back to this whole PR/press thing soon... 2010-08-17 12:35 btw do we have people going/speaking to http://www.openhardwaresummit.org ? 2010-08-17 13:01 Hello, im looking for someone knowledged to configurize a new computer for me 2010-08-17 14:03 i think not 2010-08-17 14:19 MD5 sum of the downloaded file does not match (file: 62653037d2046d992626eaf6d0a 2010-08-17 14:19 365e3, requested: 88a4f12e6388dfd58fc0c8162c3a99c7) - deleting download. 2010-08-17 14:19 gmu-0.7.1.tar.gz 2010-08-17 14:19 i hope this is not just a Makefile.. 2010-08-17 14:22 ok, PKG_MD5SUM is left over from 0.7.0 2010-08-17 14:24 wejp: btw, you should better make md5sums of your releases publically available... 2010-08-17 14:26 kyak, you got a point there, i already wanted to do that, but somewhat forgot about it 2010-08-17 17:33 tuxbrain2: i think i finally found a paint for the counterweight i like. it's epoxy-based is applied on top of a primer. nice tough shiny surface. i should have the whole batch ready tomorrow night. now, how will i get them to you ? 2010-08-17 17:36 tuxbrain2: your choices include regular mail, fedex, dhl, ups, tnt, or ems. maybe there are more, but i would have to check if we have them here. 2010-08-17 17:37 emergency medical services? 2010-08-17 17:37 bartbes: Express Mail Service - the response of the national postal organizations to the courier services 2010-08-17 17:38 ;) 2010-08-17 17:39 bartbes: often cheaper than the others. tracking isn't as good (only origin and destination, but nothing in between), and it can be a bit slower. here in argentina, ems has some interesting differences from other couriers in customs treatment. 2010-08-17 17:39 wasn't tuxbrain2 in... spain? 2010-08-17 17:39 wpwrak: I don't know regular mail in argentina , but in spain is a mess (I don't say any stronger word due this channel is loggeg :P) 2010-08-17 17:39 woo my stalking powers still exist! 2010-08-17 17:40 tuxbrain2: regular mail is also pretty slow. it seems to be more or less reliable, though. that is, unless you're sending valuables. then it's very reliable, too, but in a different way. 2010-08-17 17:42 I have also a bad experience with EMS (a package from wolfgang has never arrived, good bye spark batteries and rubber buttons :() 2010-08-17 17:43 tell me the weight and dimensions on the packages and I will agree a pick up with my courier 2010-08-17 17:44 send me also in private where to pickup :) 2010-08-17 17:44 my mail david@tuxbrain.com 2010-08-17 17:44 oh no 2010-08-17 17:44 that is logged! ;) 2010-08-17 17:46 tuxbrain2: the package will be about 500 g. not very big, maybe 10 x 10 x 3 cm or such. depends on what sort of box i find. 2010-08-17 17:46 hehehe that mail is everywhereÂ Â , so well I want it to be as spreaded as it can, and well maybe someday I decide to enlarge my ..... or buy some blue pills, or promote my site to maximum with the most fantastics visit rates!!! 2010-08-17 17:47 haha 2010-08-17 17:47 get some nice brides over from russia etc 2010-08-17 17:48 yes!! I laugh a lot when a see the same russia girl also from Ukraine, and the most LOL of all in a banner where I can date her in my own town :) 2010-08-17 17:49 tuxbrain2: so you remmeber them ;-) 2010-08-17 17:49 thinks this girl is searchin for me :P 2010-08-17 17:50 my brain works in non standard way, I can remember a lot of useless things but I can forget If I have dinner or not :P 2010-08-17 17:50 heh same here 2010-08-17 17:50 tuxbrain2: good that your stomach will to the thinking for you in this case :) 2010-08-17 17:51 I can forget stuff like birthdays (not like I miss them, but just totally forget the dates) and names 2010-08-17 17:51 but I remember seemingly random numbers for example 2010-08-17 17:51 for desperation of my mother before and now my wife, my daughter is only 4 years old but she repeats the importat things for her to me more than twice :) 2010-08-17 17:51 "Yeah, I bought that for 90 cents" me: "82 cents actually" 2010-08-17 17:51 that kind of shit 2010-08-17 17:52 bartbes: we must build a club :) 2010-08-17 17:52 or like when people say something I remember it 2010-08-17 17:52 but when they later say "Yeah, tuesday is going to be fun!" 2010-08-17 17:52 I'm like "What the hell is happening tuesday?" 2010-08-17 17:52 tuesday what happens tuesday 2010-08-17 17:53 hahaahhahah 2010-08-17 17:53 yeaH! 2010-08-17 17:53 and when they say the first 2 words I'm like "OOoh.. tuesday..." 2010-08-17 17:53 at least I know my shit when it comes to programming 2010-08-17 17:53 :3 2010-08-17 17:53 tuxbrain2: i'll let you know when i have the thing ready for shipping. probably thursday morning. 2010-08-17 17:54 tuxbrain2: i also need to find out if it makes sense to send you some for wolfgang or not. do you often ship things to him ? 2010-08-17 17:54 wpwrak: ok if my courier agent is not on holidays I will ask for quote for pick up with your data 2010-08-17 17:55 tuxbrain2: which courier it is ? 2010-08-17 17:55 wpwrak: not not really is usually the inverse, you know , he made nanos , :P 2010-08-17 17:56 tuxbrain2: yeah, that's what surprised me a bit in his suggestion :) but then i though perhaps there are returns or such. 2010-08-17 17:57 wpwrak: he usually use UPS (good balance between price/service in country and EU) but on international Import/export is too expensive and for this is cheaper TNT 2010-08-17 17:57 so TNT the most probably 2010-08-17 17:58 wpwrak: who knows maybe he plans to visit his preffered distributor 2010-08-17 17:58 :) 2010-08-17 18:02 tnt being the dutch company? 2010-08-17 18:04 bartbes: mmm I don't know, I just go 25m to my couriers office :P any problem with dutch people (apart than his football fairplay sucks :P) 2010-08-17 18:05 dutch=Netherlands , isn't it? 2010-08-17 18:06 yes 2010-08-17 18:07 tuxbrain2: about USD 100 it seems 2010-08-17 18:07 I think the will offer me a better price :) 2010-08-17 18:07 the->they 2010-08-17 18:07 nice :) 2010-08-17 18:19 bartbes: yes, Netherlands or yes, I have problems with dutch? 2010-08-17 18:20 :P 2010-08-17 18:21 tuxbrain2: using "dutch" and "fair play" in the same sentence after their recent performance is already mildly offensive :) 2010-08-17 18:23 I love this soundtrack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4OIKCL9HKY 2010-08-17 18:33 slaps various times his face repeating, no more football in #qi-hardware 2010-08-17 18:34 at least not for another ~3.75 years :) 2010-08-17 19:49 under jlime, the mount point for the SD slot is /mnt/card/, right? 2010-08-17 20:05 [commit] Andres Calderon: ddr terminators placment http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/00a88f8 2010-08-17 20:34 hello? 2010-08-17 20:36 yes 2010-08-17 20:37 huggles wolfspraul 2010-08-17 20:37 [commit] Andres Calderon: fpga decoupling cap. placement improved http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/7be9df3 2010-08-17 20:37 having trouble getting my SD card recognised, I'm starting to onder if I'm looking in the right place :/ 2010-08-17 20:39 there was a u-boot bug with larger cards, I think it's fixed though 2010-08-17 20:39 2gb card under jlime. 2010-08-17 20:47 that should work 2010-08-17 20:47 what exactly is wrong? 2010-08-17 20:49 it...doesn't mount. 2010-08-17 20:49 no automount, can't even force mount it. 2010-08-17 20:50 which makes me wonder if I'm even looking in the right place / issuing the right commands. 2010-08-17 20:50 [commit] Andres Calderon: fpga decoupling cap. placement improved http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/ef7e116 2010-08-17 20:50 ok I see, unfortunately I have no idea what the right command could be 2010-08-17 20:54 wolfspraul: btw, now that the counterweights will travel to tuxbrain by courier, does it really make sense to send yours there as well ? he said that he doesn't usually ship things to you, and you mentioned that you wouldn't go there anytime soon either. 2010-08-17 21:00 he 2010-08-17 21:00 rafa will not take any now? 2010-08-17 21:00 naw, tuxbrain confirmed his worries about hostile spanish immigration 2010-08-17 21:01 wow, depressing 2010-08-17 21:01 they do seem to be pretty bad. he knows people who have been sent back. 2010-08-17 21:02 I don't need the counterweight urgently, and I hate to waste more in shipping, so let's wait a bit I look for a good opportunity. 2010-08-17 21:02 okay. they should age well :) 2010-08-17 21:03 :-) 2010-08-17 21:03 you feel better now? (flu) 2010-08-17 21:05 yeah. weird bug. sunday i was asleep almost all day. monday morning i felt good. the afternoon like a zombie. today was good again. let's see what tomorrow brings :) 2010-08-17 21:06 i see that the 12 MHz crystal has a tolerance of 30 ppm. very good :) that way, the cpu could probbaly be used to feed a clock to the RF transceiver. (needs 16 MHz at 40 ppm) 2010-08-17 21:07 of course, those 30 ppm are probably 30 ppm base tolerance plus thermal tolerance, which is often the same again. so it may not be quite perfect. 2010-08-17 21:08 (the crystal is a bit of a problem when trying to fit the circuit into the display case. it needs a large trace-free area for itself. so this means either a big board or at least 4 layers. feeding an external clock signal would avoid needing a crystal for rf.) 2010-08-17 21:09 (still have to check if the 4740 can actually generate a 16 MHz signal in its present configuration, though) 2010-08-17 21:13 ok, sounds interesting 2010-08-17 22:09 wolfspraul: btw, when do you think the time will come for a MilkyMist NanoNote ? 2010-08-17 22:09 he 2010-08-17 22:09 in 5 years :-) 2010-08-17 22:09 don't know 2010-08-17 22:10 there are so many things moving now, and not enough sales yet. I first need to do more work to generate more sales. 2010-08-17 22:10 quite a while :) 2010-08-17 22:10 ah yes, always that money :) 2010-08-17 22:10 well it's an almost endless todo list, isn't it? 2010-08-17 22:10 but definitely that's on the horizon 2010-08-17 22:10 (MM NN) i mean, with FPGA. not ASIC or such. 2010-08-17 22:11 if the power consumption is acceptable. I don't know, it's way too early. 2010-08-17 22:11 step by step 2010-08-17 22:11 we are gearing up for the next milkymist run btw, rc2 2010-08-17 22:13 i'm asking because sebastian was concerned that his project wasn't getting much attention from developers. i wonder if it may be mainly seen as a gadget for VJs, not as a Free SoC. changing the setting may affect this perception. 2010-08-17 22:13 wpwrak: do you develop an interest in milkymist? 2010-08-17 22:13 oh totally 2010-08-17 22:13 also, the fpga isn't particularly big 2010-08-17 22:13 in my experience technology and marketing are two totally separate thngs 2010-08-17 22:13 we have done a little bit of NanoNote marketing, with some success, not much but some 2010-08-17 22:14 Sebastien has done some for Milkyist too, again not that much 2010-08-17 22:14 (mm) it looks like solid work. too slow to compete, of course, but that may be in no small part because it's in an fpga. 2010-08-17 22:14 so we need to get back at the marketing game, definitely 2010-08-17 22:14 work with journalists, get the word out, etc. it's hard. 2010-08-17 22:15 I do believe our fundamentals are good though, as a whole (the whole copyleft hardware project). 2010-08-17 22:15 well, the main appeal of MM would be technology :) maybe it could get some interest from the Free religious front too, of course 2010-08-17 22:15 so yes, of course, it needs to be seen as a Free SoC, and as another ARM/MIPS 2010-08-17 22:20 (marketing) the ben could indeed use a push or two. but what would do that - and could happen relatively soon and without too much work ? 2010-08-17 22:22 at least the thebeez blog seems to have created some attention. mainly .nl-local though, it seems 2010-08-17 22:23 oh the Ben itself got quite good coverage, I cannot complain 2010-08-17 22:23 engadget, slashdot, linux.com, etc. japan, china, russia, everywhere. 2010-08-17 22:24 the next step for the Ben is a great default image that makes it really usable 2010-08-17 22:24 of course things like your counterweight are also really cool because they show we have faith in the future, move towards Ya etc. 2010-08-17 22:24 but back to Milkymist, do you develop an interest in that now? 2010-08-17 22:24 we are currently having a small run of SIE 2010-08-17 22:25 after that it's back to Milkymist One RC2 2010-08-17 22:25 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_RC1_Known_Issues 2010-08-17 22:25 basically this is what the RC1 yielded in terms of bugs 2010-08-17 22:26 we hope RC2 is free of major bugs that limit functionality 2010-08-17 22:27 (mm) i find the concept interesting. a had a fairly long chat with sebastian and i'm now also more convinced that the architecture is solid enough that you can do something "real" with it. 2010-08-17 22:27 maybe not quite as fast in all regards as the 4740 on a first try, but close enough that it doesn't really matter 2010-08-17 22:28 good to hear that from you 2010-08-17 22:29 yes I think it's a solid project, and I think it fits with my larger copyleft hw project. otherwise I wouldn't pump my last savings into this, and work for free instead of doing the normal career bs in the industry... 2010-08-17 22:29 first I need to do my part good on the Milkymist One manufacturing side 2010-08-17 22:29 the known issues sound fairly minor already. i've seen much much worse in the errata of things from reputable big companies :) 2010-08-17 22:29 first 6 boards were great. all 6 worked (booted), and we were able to come up with really nice bug hunting results. 2010-08-17 22:30 well, thanks :-) 2010-08-17 22:30 I do believe we have good people on everything. 2010-08-17 22:30 so now we need a bit of luck, and nothing that slips into rc2 2010-08-17 22:30 there are fairly major bugs, that completely break video-in, have a big negative impact on midi, infrared, etc. etc. 2010-08-17 22:31 when will be the big smt day ? 2010-08-17 22:31 for rc2? 2010-08-17 22:31 you don't trust our wiki :-) 2010-08-17 22:31 let's see what it says... 2010-08-17 22:31 we are trying to perfect the 'open process, you know? :-) 2010-08-17 22:32 so this is what we are doing right now: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/SIE_run_2_schedule 2010-08-17 22:32 xiangfu: http://paste.debian.net/84021 2010-08-17 22:32 morning :) 2010-08-17 22:32 kristianpaul: I can download it. 2010-08-17 22:32 for xiangfu :) 2010-08-17 22:32 hmm 2010-08-17 22:32 why not me :/ 2010-08-17 22:33 i got 404 here 2010-08-17 22:33 kristianpaul: wget http://wejp.k.vu/files/gmu-0.7.1.tar.gz 2010-08-17 22:33 kristianpaul: the network is not stable. I think. so the openwrt will try other URL. 2010-08-17 22:33 kristianpaul: since there are no gmu on other URL the openwrt will give error. 2010-08-17 22:34 wpwrak: and here is the corresponding one for Milkymist One RC2: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_run_2_schedule 2010-08-17 22:34 Textmode: yaah there is bug i had to reduce my 1.6Gb jlime part to 500Mb in order to boot 2010-08-17 22:34 wpwrak: that's a perfect plan! all dates are empty :-) 2010-08-17 22:34 xiangfu: so, how i can tell openwty make scripts and relatd stuff to do iir right? 2010-08-17 22:35 wpwrak: the goal is to have 20 rc2 for 27c3, which means they must be produced in october 2010-08-17 22:35 ah, wikies .. they have all the data and you never know where :) 2010-08-17 22:35 :p 2010-08-17 22:35 so we still have to apply the errata 2010-08-17 22:35 kristianpaul: the OpenWrt will try the "wejp.k.vu" first.Â Â then it will try others. so I would advice download it manually. 2010-08-17 22:35 to schematics & layout 2010-08-17 22:35 whee ! next week. 2010-08-17 22:36 next week what? the SIE run? 2010-08-17 22:36 we are talking about Milkymist One now 2010-08-17 22:36 that is after SIE 2010-08-17 22:36 SIE is that board similar to a NanoNote, but with Spartan-3 added 2010-08-17 22:37 XBurst 4725 (same die as 4740) + Spartan-3 2010-08-17 22:37 (mm run2) heh, that's how i like my schedules ;-)) (thanks for the links !) 2010-08-17 22:37 yes I know 2010-08-17 22:37 knew you would like that 2010-08-17 22:37 so first step for m1 rc2 is apply the rc1 errata 2010-08-17 22:38 review it 2010-08-17 22:38 next week sie. should also be a fun moment, no ? 2010-08-17 22:38 really make sure we don't overlook anything 2010-08-17 22:38 yes sure, fun everywhere :-) 2010-08-17 22:38 after that, I hope the process will be smooth since it's essentially the same process as for milkymist one rc1 2010-08-17 22:38 we have already sourced the hardest to get component, the spartan-6 2010-08-17 22:39 50 in stock :-) 2010-08-17 22:39 :O 2010-08-17 22:39 what makes the spartan so hard to get ? 2010-08-17 22:39 hmm 2010-08-17 22:39 spartan7 ? 2010-08-17 22:39 i guess 2010-08-17 22:39 no no 2010-08-17 22:39 wpwrak: I don't have any really strong/hard answers. 2010-08-17 22:39 okay 2010-08-17 22:40 maybe just an unusual member of the family then 2010-08-17 22:40 I tried to build a contact with Xilinx in San Jose, but they were super arrogant and essentially just kicked me out. 2010-08-17 22:40 wow 2010-08-17 22:40 well it's a big company now 2010-08-17 22:40 who are we? nothing. and then we are even into this copyleft thing, and all they are about is to build more proprietary IP. 2010-08-17 22:41 still. small shops like yours should be important for them. 2010-08-17 22:41 so I can only speculate 2010-08-17 22:41 the spartan-6 is a 45nm process 2010-08-17 22:41 ah, so quite new then 2010-08-17 22:41 that's quite advanced, very few fabs can do it, and there are big struggles over whose problems get fixed first, etc. you can imagine. 2010-08-17 22:41 essentially they compete with Apple in Samsung's attention... 2010-08-17 22:41 lovely ;-) 2010-08-17 22:41 Apple? ohh 2010-08-17 22:42 How Apple uses FPGAs? 2010-08-17 22:42 on the other hand I hear that virtex-6 is easily available 2010-08-17 22:42 I really dont' know. 2010-08-17 22:42 but I do know that many customers are pissed about the spartan-6 delays and switching to Altera and others. 2010-08-17 22:42 but virtex is expensive, no? 2010-08-17 22:43 Altera has instructed their sales people to go after spartan-6 defectants. they have special powerpoint presentations and packages to make switching easy. 2010-08-17 22:43 kristianpaul: yes virtex is very expensive. Like I said, I really don't know where the spartan-6 delays are coming from, why, etc. 2010-08-17 22:43 used Altera in the university Labs 2010-08-17 22:43 bottom line: spartan-6 had many delays, and I chose to stock 50 of what we need instead. 2010-08-17 22:44 it was good, jsut lacking linux support for free 2010-08-17 22:44 on the other hand I am sure Xilinx will fix the spartan-6 issues, I cannot imagine they abandon it. 2010-08-17 22:44 got a dso which is basically a altera develboard with 2 chips and display + keys 2010-08-17 22:44 ah.. and a bag of adc 2010-08-17 22:44 spartan-7 is something totally different, sure they work on it, and it's announced. But that's a 28nm process, don't expect to get that chip in volume for at least 2 years. 2010-08-17 22:45 roh: i bought a ds1 but sell it when siwched to linux based systems 2010-08-17 22:45 now i have my cheap xilinx avnet kit :) 2010-08-17 22:45 kristianpaul: I don't know whether apple is using fpgas anywhere, that was not my point. Apple and Xilinx both use Samsung's fab. Everybody's resources are limited, even Samsung's. 2010-08-17 22:45 kristianpaul too bad that there is no foss toolchain for that thing 2010-08-17 22:46 so Xilinx is competing with Apple in Samsung's attention, whatever problem Xilinx has that requires Samsung's help. 2010-08-17 22:46 not even a closed one i could use without win32 2010-08-17 22:46 kristianpaul: if i understood wolfgang right, apple may not use fpgas but the same process. so the fab line either makes for apple or spartan6 for xilinx 2010-08-17 22:46 okay wolfspraul, i got the point 2010-08-17 22:46 wpwrak: yes correct. 2010-08-17 22:46 yes 2010-08-17 22:46 so it may be that there is just a resource bottleneck somewhere, and s-6 fell through the cracks :-) 2010-08-17 22:48 wpwrak: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2010-August/003699.html 2010-08-17 22:48 so, don't use any process that apple uses too :) 2010-08-17 22:48 some info Adam sent when he sourced the 50 s-6 we have in stock now 2010-08-17 22:48 wpwrak: well, the fabs become more and more important if you want to make a competitive IC 2010-08-17 22:49 xilinx wants a 28nm process for the virtex/spartan-7 series, so they start to co-work with a fab on this today... 2010-08-17 22:49 wpwrak: good point :) 2010-08-17 22:49 after all xilinx doesn't want to sell design files, they want to sell chips :-) 2010-08-17 22:50 plus I am guessing what caused the s-6 delays, total gossip 2010-08-17 22:50 ah yes, mo start in july. no surprise :) 2010-08-17 22:50 well they say this same story for about a year now 2010-08-17 22:50 it's always 'soon' 2010-08-17 22:50 but I don't care anymore, I have 50 in stock now and done 2010-08-17 22:51 that should help for the m1 rc2 run, and maybe also for the first xue run 2010-08-17 22:51 that close to mp start it can really be anything. they're probably still debugging yield issues ;-) 2010-08-17 22:51 they also had power issues 2010-08-17 22:51 so they kept saying that the -es version (engineering samples) are not suitable for power measurements 2010-08-17 22:51 ;-))) 2010-08-17 22:51 the milkymist one rc1 is using -es I think 2010-08-17 22:52 but now we have mp types, for rc2 2010-08-17 22:53 good. should be interesting to see how much the beast draws. not sure what the typical asic vs. fpga factor would be. 2010-08-17 22:55 two beautiful wpan-atrf boards just left my laminator. time for the kitchen, set up some acid ... 2010-08-17 22:56 wow :-) 2010-08-17 22:56 pics ! 2010-08-17 22:56 indeed 2010-08-17 22:56 wpwrak: just for some story, it was so painful about this s-6 in recent months 2010-08-17 22:56 crazy 2010-08-17 22:56 everybody was hunting them, worldwide 2010-08-17 22:57 it was a real adventure to get the 6 we needed for rc1 2010-08-17 22:57 in the end adam had contacted so many places, he got mails from unknown people saying "hey, you are looking for s-6, I can offer you TWO!" :-) 2010-08-17 22:57 amazing i never tought that until read your chat 2010-08-17 22:57 Xilinx really didn't manage this thing well, I can understand that many customers jumped to greener pastures. 2010-08-17 22:58 if you are a business and want to sell products, you don't want to send your employees on hunting trips to fish out chips one by one... 2010-08-17 23:00 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File%3ASie_v2_bare_PCB_top.jpg :O 2010-08-17 23:01 wolfspraul: how many "METOO" mails did he get from other searchers ? :) 2010-08-17 23:02 kristianpaul: (pics) for now it's just copper with a bit of toner on it 2010-08-17 23:02 it's hard to manage access to any limited resource I guess 2010-08-17 23:03 at Samsung the system was easy, at least the initial idea. Say a new IC is being made, and it has to generate 200 million USD revenue to be profitable for Samsung. 2010-08-17 23:03 (that's a typical number) 2010-08-17 23:03 wolfspraul: if they're that limited, the intelligent thing would be to not start open sales yet ... 2010-08-17 23:03 well it's -es 2010-08-17 23:03 so if in early runs of that IC, let's say a total of 200 chips will be available to outsiders, that means every chip must correlate with 1 million USD in future revenue 2010-08-17 23:04 wpwrak: i meant document the whole process is not bad :) 2010-08-17 23:04 or make a lottery and given them away for free. whatever ;-) 2010-08-17 23:04 it the chip is 20 USD, that's 50k chips 2010-08-17 23:04 so if you want 2 samples, they need to see that those 2 samples will generate 100k in chip sales to you later 2010-08-17 23:04 alright. lotter, but not free then :) 2010-08-17 23:04 I think it's a fairly easy to understand system. 2010-08-17 23:05 I think what caused so many problems in the s-6 case was that the MP start was delayed so much. so the demands for chips increased, runs got bigger, but there were only very limited -es supplies. 2010-08-17 23:06 bottom line - mismanaged, many customers pissed 2010-08-17 23:06 our advantage is that we got into this late, our first run was only 6, and in general the whole way we move forward is much slower than a commercial maker of whatever product, who has to release & ship stuff under huge time pressure 2010-08-17 23:07 so maybe in the end the timing is actually perfect for us, and by now many customers switched away so we should have plenty of supply :-) 2010-08-17 23:07 if we are lucky s-6 prices will drop fast because of this whole introduction disaster 2010-08-17 23:10 the whole thing sounds like one big gamble 2010-08-17 23:10 who needs casinos 2010-08-17 23:10 lol 2010-08-17 23:12 casinos are cheaper 2010-08-17 23:12 actually 2010-08-17 23:26 roh: better than the stock exchange. and you don't have to wear a tie :) 2010-08-17 23:29 gn8 2010-08-17 23:36 *g* 2010-08-17 23:42 kristianpaul: huh? 2010-08-17 23:42 kristianpaul: here's a picture: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/wpan/first-pcb.jpg 2010-08-17 23:43 :D 2010-08-17 23:43 Textmode: hey 2010-08-17 23:43 huggles kristianpaul 2010-08-17 23:43 wpwrak: sexy 2010-08-17 23:44 wireless personal area network 2010-08-17 23:44 wpan? 2010-08-17 23:44 wpwrak: the pcb is almost perfect.. 2010-08-17 23:44 Textmode: you have problems booting jlime with 2GB sd? 2010-08-17 23:44 wpwrak: would it be useful for wireless network? 2010-08-17 23:44 or similar? 2010-08-17 23:45 it seems ! 2010-08-17 23:45 kristianpaul: no. *using* 2010-08-17 23:45 next step: mr. dremel has a meeting with the board. may neighbours probably prefer this to be in the morning, not at night :) 2010-08-17 23:45 kristianpaul: Textmode : is there any problem with jlime? 2010-08-17 23:45 what exactly does that pcb do? 2010-08-17 23:45 rafa: almost, bah ! 2010-08-17 23:46 rafa: not me 2010-08-17 23:46 wpwrak: wow!.. I can not believe! 2010-08-17 23:46 :).. 2010-08-17 23:46 rafa: I wanttted to test if the video player that came with jlime could play some old gameplay vids I had, its at this point that I realised I couldn't find anything of the SD card anywhere. I'm pretty sure it isn't mounting. 2010-08-17 23:46 rafa: this board should to ieee 802.15.4 networking. this one wouldn't fit into a ben, though. it will connect to usb, via a c8051f326, the same chip as in idbg. 2010-08-17 23:47 wpwrak: which kind of wireless network?.. I mean, could we use that for typical wireless network= 2010-08-17 23:47 Textmode: wait.. you want to play videos right? 2010-08-17 23:47 rafa: this chip then talks spi to the rf transceiver. when done, you could cut the board between the two v-shapes, and connect it to spi in the ben. 2010-08-17 23:48 rafa: well, in theory. it wouldn't make sense to do this, because it wouldn't fit anywhere. better to shrink it a bit more first. 2010-08-17 23:48 rafa: thats sorta beyond the current issue, which is that, even from the commandline, I can't find the contents of the SD card. 2010-08-17 23:48 wpwrak: okey, but if it would fit... 2010-08-17 23:48 Textmode: please, let me understand the whole problem. Do you have installed jlime? 2010-08-17 23:49 Textmode: on nand? on sd? 2010-08-17 23:49 rafa: not typical wlan. it's not 802.11a/b/g/n but 802.15.4. same frequency band, but many other things are different. 2010-08-17 23:49 yes, jlime, on nand 2010-08-17 23:49 nebajoth: (wpan) yes 2010-08-17 23:49 Textmode: and you can not mount it seems right? 2010-08-17 23:49 ah nand 2010-08-17 23:49 rafa: seems to be the case. 2010-08-17 23:49 wpwrak: okey,.. 2010-08-17 23:49 i dint resist that one 2010-08-17 23:49 Textmode: which kind of sd filesystem you have? 2010-08-17 23:50 i meant no swap :( i moved to sd again 2010-08-17 23:50 ext2? fat? 2010-08-17 23:50 rafa: naybe you;ve heard of ZigBee. it's the same technology. a bit similar to bluetooth, actually 2010-08-17 23:50 yes, we used zigbee in my last job 2010-08-17 23:50 ah, perfect. how did it work ? 2010-08-17 23:50 rafa: gnome sayz "msdos", so probably vfat. 2010-08-17 23:51 wpwrak: but I do not know if that is typical/common to attach wireless hardware network. I mean, if I can have ip for example 2010-08-17 23:51 there is 6LoWPAN, a way to transport IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4. but 802.15.4 isn't common for IP (yet ?) 2010-08-17 23:51 Textmode: okey.. and you have tried: mkdir /tmp/d ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /tmp/d/ 2010-08-17 23:51 ? 2010-08-17 23:52 but then, since you'd bring your own beer err... peer anyway, you can choose whatever you want :) 2010-08-17 23:52 the main question is now how far this thing can go 2010-08-17 23:52 wpwrak: it was in wireless keyboard for the bus driver.. and the whole code was in zigbee + pic32 controling that hardware 2010-08-17 23:53 wpwrak: that worked well 2010-08-17 23:53 Textmode: you there? 2010-08-17 23:53 Textmode: I want to sleep, but better if we can fix your problem first.. so I will go to sleep happy ;) 2010-08-17 23:53 so, transmission over a few meters, in a vehicle 2010-08-17 23:53 rafa: No such device or address 2010-08-17 23:53 yes.. 2mts or less I think 2010-08-17 23:54 Textmode: okey.. let me check my ben 2010-08-17 23:54 wpwrak:Â Â yes.. 2mts or less I think 2010-08-17 23:54 rafa: wait... 2010-08-17 23:55 yeah, that worked. 2010-08-17 23:55 Textmode: strange.. my jlime on nand can do :Â Â mkdir /tmp/d ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /tmp/d/ 2010-08-17 23:55 without adds, or changes 2010-08-17 23:55