2010-08-15 05:22 <bartbes> oh..
2010-08-15 05:23 <bartbes> I just read the mailing list and saw jirka talking about this weird build system
2010-08-15 05:23 <bartbes> from what I've seen so far it's pretty easy actually
2010-08-15 05:48 <qi-bot> [commit] Jiri Brozovsky: Compilation problems should be fixed. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/34a4bbc
2010-08-15 06:51 <bartbes> what are the sections in the menu?
2010-08-15 06:51 <bartbes> and the categories?
2010-08-15 06:51 <bartbes> :P
2010-08-15 07:06 <bartbes> small question
2010-08-15 07:06 <bartbes> I'm working on the wordgrinder Makefile
2010-08-15 07:06 <bartbes> but what section and category would that be?
2010-08-15 07:15 <bartbes> I went for Utilities/Editors in the end
2010-08-15 07:15 <bartbes> in case anyone was ever wondering
2010-08-15 07:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add new gmu icon http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cd8e663
2010-08-15 07:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: adjust config to 2 new packages in feed packages/ http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/11ee72f
2010-08-15 07:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: [config] preselect bsd-games (tetris, backgammon, primes, worms) and calcurse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ddfccf5
2010-08-15 07:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: [config] adjust config to new feed versions (once again) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9c13c44
2010-08-15 07:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: [config] do not include packages <ntpdate> and <ntpclient> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/df798b6
2010-08-15 07:27 <wolfspraul> stress test
2010-08-15 07:27 <wolfspraul> mirko: I fixed another but in the commitlog, I think (ahem) it should be stable now...
2010-08-15 07:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: [gmu] update 0.7.0 -> 0.7.1 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4f0bbdf
2010-08-15 07:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5340103
2010-08-15 07:29 <mirko> wolfspraul: hehe :) - ok
2010-08-15 07:29 <mirko> wolfspraul: let's see when we do the next merge with owrt-backfire-upstream
2010-08-15 07:30 <mirko> wolfspraul: startup time should be improved by the way in the next image
2010-08-15 07:31 <mirko> wolfspraul: found some bugs causing heavy cpu load and timeouts which could be avoided
2010-08-15 07:31 <wolfspraul> oh nice!
2010-08-15 07:31 <mirko> wolfspraul: i suggest i'll upload a "testing"-image tomorrow, announce it on the mailing list and we'll wait 1 week for feedback / input
2010-08-15 07:32 <wolfspraul> great
2010-08-15 07:32 <wolfspraul> hopefully a lot of the packages that got contributed in recent weeks are included
2010-08-15 07:32 <mirko> wolfspraul: after that 1 week there's 1 week left till my holidays
2010-08-15 07:32 <wolfspraul> :-)
2010-08-15 07:32 <mirko> do there should be enough time then, to fix possible bugs, build ,upload and announce the new official image
2010-08-15 07:32 <mirko> wolfspraul: there are
2010-08-15 07:33 <mirko> i update the config ~twice a week because i include new packages
2010-08-15 07:33 <mirko> ~twice a day i mean
2010-08-15 07:35 <mirko> bsd-games, new gmu version, new gmenu2x version, calcurse, mandoc, new qt4-features, NanoMap, alsa-settings and so on...
2010-08-15 07:36 <wolfspraul> sounds good, there are a lot now
2010-08-15 07:37 <jirkab> bartbes: probably Utilies
2010-08-15 07:37 <wolfspraul> I count 80 subfolders in openwrt-packages now
2010-08-15 07:37 <bartbes> yeah, I put it in Utilities/Editor
2010-08-15 07:37 <jirkab> bartbes: I see no better  category
2010-08-15 07:37 <bartbes> I got it to fail on ncurses
2010-08-15 07:37 <mirko> hmm, the keypad layout changed in gmenu2x
2010-08-15 07:37 <bartbes> so I'm currently compiling ncurses
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> but as you might know that means I got quite a lot already
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> mirko: it did
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> do you need any help with the new keys?
2010-08-15 07:38 <mirko> wolfspraul: unfortunately some do not compile
2010-08-15 07:38 <mirko> bartbes: i need documentation ;)
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> *cough* gforth *cough*
2010-08-15 07:38 <mirko> bartbes: ?
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> mirko: x = enter
2010-08-15 07:38 <bartbes> that's most important :P
2010-08-15 07:38 <mirko> bartbes: please write it down somewhere i can link to in the announce mail
2010-08-15 07:39 <bartbes> the full keymap is in /usr/share/gmenu2x/input.conf iirc
2010-08-15 07:39 <bartbes> something like it though
2010-08-15 07:39 <mirko> otherwise there'll be lot's of questions what happened to gmenu2x in the new image
2010-08-15 07:39 <jirkab> bartbes: does Wordgrinder request wide character support in ncurses?
2010-08-15 07:39 <bartbes> f2 is the old esc
2010-08-15 07:39 <bartbes> jirkab: it does..
2010-08-15 07:39 <mirko> bartbes: please write it down somewhere public
2010-08-15 07:39 <mirko> bartbes: :)
2010-08-15 07:39 <bartbes> mirko: give me a wiki page and I'll write it there
2010-08-15 07:40 <bartbes> wow, the path was spot-on
2010-08-15 07:40 <bartbes> gives his memory a cookie
2010-08-15 07:40 <mirko> bartbes: ok, mom
2010-08-15 07:40 <mirko> bartbes: uh, there is one already
2010-08-15 07:40 <mirko> bartbes: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x - is that the current layout?
2010-08-15 07:41 <bartbes> let's see
2010-08-15 07:41 <bartbes> the "Plan to"
2010-08-15 07:41 <bartbes> that one is correct
2010-08-15 07:41 <mirko> hmm, well - changing sections was "p" and "q" and is now "tab" and "l"?
2010-08-15 07:42 <bartbes> yeah, I don't like l, but tab is nice
2010-08-15 07:42 <bartbes> makes sense
2010-08-15 07:42 <mirko> these keys are not even in the same row :P
2010-08-15 07:42 <bartbes> hehe, no
2010-08-15 07:42 <bartbes> but I don't know they keymap for VOLUP and VOLDOWN either..
2010-08-15 07:43 <bartbes> well, at least enter, tab and f2 make some sense :P
2010-08-15 07:43 <bartbes> (note that I did not change the keymap)
2010-08-15 07:43 <mirko> :)
2010-08-15 07:43 <mirko> let's see what the folks say, when they have to switch :)
2010-08-15 07:44 <bartbes> meh, the old keymap wasn't too good either imo
2010-08-15 07:44 <mirko> bartbes: i don't they the new one is bad - some things just do not make sense yet to me ;)
2010-08-15 07:45 <bartbes> jirkab: the only problem I have left (as far as I can tell) is the lack of ncursesw
2010-08-15 07:47 <jirkab> bartbes: is sound very good (though I have not idea how much difficult is compilation of ncursesw )
2010-08-15 07:47 <bartbes> I have no idea what the big diff is
2010-08-15 07:47 <bartbes> let me look it up
2010-08-15 07:47 <bartbes> (compiling-wise that is)
2010-08-15 07:48 <bartbes> it sounds like it's just a compile-time option
2010-08-15 07:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: [mandoc] (re)add mandoc, as compilation issues were fixed http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/37b39cd
2010-08-15 07:51 <bartbes> jirkab: I think you need to add "--enable-widec" to the configure flags
2010-08-15 07:53 <bartbes> so I simply added that to the makefile of ncurses
2010-08-15 07:53 <bartbes> to see if it is indeed that simple
2010-08-15 07:54 <bartbes> btw, is there a way to turn off the screen (like gmu does)?
2010-08-15 07:59 <larsc> echo 4 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank
2010-08-15 08:01 <bartbes> jirkab: ncursesw doesn't build
2010-08-15 08:01 <bartbes> larsc: thanks I'll test it now
2010-08-15 08:03 <bartbes> it immediately turns back on though
2010-08-15 08:04 <bartbes> ah, because of new output, of course
2010-08-15 08:04 <larsc> no, because somebody turns it on gain
2010-08-15 08:05 <bartbes> ehm..
2010-08-15 08:05 <bartbes> maybe it still registers my enter?
2010-08-15 08:05 <bartbes> anyway, when I run it via ssh it works flawlessly
2010-08-15 08:11 <bartbes> jirkab: shall I send you the makefile and patch?
2010-08-15 08:13 <jirkab> bartbes yes, many thanks (sorry for my delayed response - 'm doing too much things at once :-\ )
2010-08-15 08:14 <jirkab> bartbes: ncursesw are needed for more applications so it woudl be usefull to make it work
2010-08-15 08:14 <bartbes> it would
2010-08-15 08:14 <bartbes> but it's some weird error in one of the header
2010-08-15 08:14 <bartbes> which I wasn't able to track down in the very short time I spent trying
2010-08-15 08:15 <bartbes> jirkab: http://bartbes.ath.cx/wordgrinder.zip
2010-08-15 08:16 <bartbes> and this is the error I get when I compile ncurses(w)
2010-08-15 08:16 <bartbes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/478348/
2010-08-15 08:19 <jirkab> bartbes: thanks. the error looks strange
2010-08-15 08:34 <jirkab> bartbes: looks like it's similar to this Gentoo bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214642
2010-08-15 08:46 <bartbes> jirkab: hmm
2010-08-15 08:47 <jirkab> bartbes: looks like GCC can't find definition of wchar_t type
2010-08-15 08:48 <bartbes> not wint_t?
2010-08-15 08:49 <bartbes> I think it simply needs an extra include statement
2010-08-15 08:49 <bartbes> #include <wchar.h>
2010-08-15 08:49 <jirkab> bartbes maybe too, but it stops on the line with wchar_t
2010-08-15 08:49 <bartbes> no it doesn't?
2010-08-15 08:49 <jirkab> bartbes: where you have wchar.h?
2010-08-15 08:49 <bartbes> as far as I can tell it errors here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/478359/
2010-08-15 08:50 <bartbes> and there's a wchar.h in staging_dir/include
2010-08-15 08:50 <bartbes> hm no
2010-08-15 08:50 <bartbes> not there
2010-08-15 08:51 <bartbes> /usr/include
2010-08-15 08:54 <jirkab> bartbes: see include/curses.h.in in ncurses directory
2010-08-15 08:55 <bartbes> so how do we set NEED_WCHAR_H?
2010-08-15 08:57 <bartbes> shall I try "--with-build-cppflags=-D_GNU_SOURCE" as mentioned in the gentoo thread?
2010-08-15 08:58 <jirkab> bartbes: please try it
2010-08-15 08:59 <bartbes> compiles
2010-08-15 08:59 <jirkab> bartbes: I will try to understand the  curses.h
2010-08-15 08:59 <bartbes> heh, that mess? enjoy!
2010-08-15 09:02 <bartbes> something totally unrelated (while compiling) where can I set the persistent options again?
2010-08-15 09:02 <bartbes> (like I did with fstab)
2010-08-15 09:03 <bartbes> nvm found it
2010-08-15 09:05 <bartbes> jirkab: IT BUILT
2010-08-15 09:05 <jirkab> bartbes: nice!
2010-08-15 09:06 <bartbes> only problem is it only built ncursesw
2010-08-15 09:06 <bartbes> now to make it build both
2010-08-15 09:08 <jirkab> bartbes: probably the easises solution is to make two packages individual - ncurses and ncursesw
2010-08-15 09:08 <bartbes> yeah probably
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> I can put those in the same makefile, can't I?
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> or
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> wait
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> I can't commit this anyway
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> so I might as well copy this package over
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> and restore the old one
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> make it ncursesw
2010-08-15 09:09 <bartbes> agreed?
2010-08-15 09:10 <jirkab> bartbes: yes
2010-08-15 09:10 <bartbes> will do
2010-08-15 09:10 <jirkab> bartbes: great
2010-08-15 09:11 <jirkab> bartbes: don't forget change ncurses->ncursesw in the Makefile ;-)
2010-08-15 09:12 <bartbes> yeah, just did that
2010-08-15 09:12 <bartbes> now.. what is the easiest way to restore the old package?
2010-08-15 09:12 <bartbes> the entire thing was a git repo, right?
2010-08-15 09:12 <jirkab> bartbes: wait
2010-08-15 09:12 <jirkab> git checkout FILE_NAME
2010-08-15 09:12 <jirkab> bartbes: git checkout FILE_NAME
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> so git checkout package/ncurses/Makefile?
2010-08-15 09:13 <jirkab> I think so
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> no
2010-08-15 09:13 <jirkab> I never used this
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> checkout is for changing commits
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> I think you mean git reset
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> or not
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> git should document their shit better
2010-08-15 09:13 <bartbes> :@
2010-08-15 09:14 <jirkab> bartbes: I have this in my notes - so it can be incorrect :-(
2010-08-15 09:14 <bartbes> oh it worked
2010-08-15 09:14 <bartbes> thx
2010-08-15 09:14 <bartbes> runs menuconfig to enable ncursesw
2010-08-15 09:15 <bartbes> compiles
2010-08-15 09:17 <bartbes> jirkab: btw, when I depend on this, the folder is called ncursesw but the package libncursesw, which one do I use?
2010-08-15 09:19 <jirkab> bartbes: I think it depends on the name whic his used inside the Makefile
2010-08-15 09:19 <bartbes> makes sense
2010-08-15 09:19 <jirkab> bartbes: like here: $(eval $(call BuildPackage,libncursesw))
2010-08-15 09:19 <bartbes> though.. I remember this being different when I added lua.. hmm
2010-08-15 09:19 <bartbes> ah we'll see
2010-08-15 09:20 <bartbes> I guess when you do the wrong thing it tells you it lacks the dependency
2010-08-15 09:21 <jirkab> bartbes: well, sometimes
2010-08-15 09:21 <bartbes> oh look, no errors!
2010-08-15 09:22 <jirkab> bartbes: you are right - at installation it will tell
2010-08-15 09:22 <bartbes> now I will try to build wordgrinder
2010-08-15 09:23 <jirkab> bartbes: nice
2010-08-15 09:25 <bartbes> ehm
2010-08-15 09:25 <bartbes> some fixes I have yet to do ;)
2010-08-15 09:25 <bartbes> because apparently it forgot to use the toolchain..
2010-08-15 09:27 <bartbes> wonders what pm does with environment variables..
2010-08-15 09:27 <jirkab> bartbes: it ignores your environment variables?
2010-08-15 09:28 <bartbes> I think... I forgot some settings ;)
2010-08-15 09:31 <bartbes> what were the openwrt set env variables again?
2010-08-15 09:31 <bartbes> TARGET_CC?
2010-08-15 09:33 <jirkab> don't know
2010-08-15 09:33 <bartbes> right, let's see what it does now
2010-08-15 09:33 <bartbes> yeah, I believe it was
2010-08-15 09:33 <bartbes> if not then it has no compiler now ;)
2010-08-15 09:33 <jirkab> must exit :-(
2010-08-15 09:34 <bartbes> awww
2010-08-15 09:46 <bartbes> almost there...
2010-08-15 09:47 <bartbes> and it built
2010-08-15 09:47 <bartbes> now to install it on my nn
2010-08-15 09:49 <bartbes> right, some bugs in the ncursesw file
2010-08-15 09:51 <bartbes> (it installs the some of the same stuff as ncurses, so those are now ripped and instead it depends on ncurses)
2010-08-15 10:23 <wolfspraul> bartbes: fascinating read, logging out for the day, but good luck!
2010-08-15 10:23 <bartbes> hehe
2010-08-15 10:23 <bartbes> that was just a rant
2010-08-15 10:23 <bartbes> ;)
2010-08-15 10:23 <bartbes> sleep well wolfspraul
2010-08-15 10:24 <bartbes> (I assume you sleep at the end of the day..)
2010-08-15 10:24 <wolfspraul> yes, correct :-)
2010-08-15 10:24 <wolfspraul> n8
2010-08-15 10:34 <bartbes> okay, I'm not quite sure about the rules here
2010-08-15 10:35 <bartbes> it builds, but it still needs some fixes
2010-08-15 10:35 <bartbes> so, how do I commit it? do I mark it BROKEN, or is that only for broken builds?
2010-08-15 10:35 <bartbes> (as in failing compiles)
2010-08-15 10:35 <mirko> bartbes: is there's any case, that it might fail zu compile
2010-08-15 10:35 <mirko> mark it as broken please
2010-08-15 10:36 <mirko> otherwise full-builds stop
2010-08-15 10:36 <bartbes> well, don't think so
2010-08-15 10:36 <mirko> okay
2010-08-15 10:36 <bartbes> it only needs some fixes regarding screen size and keymap
2010-08-15 10:36 <mirko> then feel free :)
2010-08-15 10:36 <bartbes> oh
2010-08-15 10:36 <bartbes> the biggest problem however
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> is ncursesw
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> I managed to get it to build
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> however, it is a separate package (due tohow ncurses' is set up you'd need 2 separate builds anyway)
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> but, since they use the same source package
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> they keep overwriting each other
2010-08-15 10:37 <bartbes> so every time you compile something that depends on ncursesw it recompiles both ncurses and ncursesw
2010-08-15 10:38 <bartbes> which.. is not a fun way to spend your time
2010-08-15 10:40 <mirko> when why not modifying the ncurses-package?
2010-08-15 10:41 <bartbes> because.. you *need* to build it twice
2010-08-15 10:41 <bartbes> you can't build ncurses and ncursesw at the same time anyway
2010-08-15 10:41 <bartbes> and this meant we didn't have to fork ncurses from openwrt
2010-08-15 10:42 <mirko> bartbes: yes, so it sounds like it's better having build_dir/target-*/{ncurses,ncursesw}-version directories
2010-08-15 10:42 <bartbes> yes, it is
2010-08-15 10:42 <larsc> what you want is BuildVariants
2010-08-15 10:42 <bartbes> larsc: are you going to save me, you holy man?
2010-08-15 10:42 <mirko> larsc: yep
2010-08-15 10:44 <bartbes> are you going to elaborate?
2010-08-15 10:44 <mirko> looking for a package which uses that currently...
2010-08-15 10:44 <bartbes> no openwrt docs?
2010-08-15 10:45 <larsc> no docs, as usual ;)
2010-08-15 10:45 <larsc> take a look at the uboot-xburst package
2010-08-15 10:47 <bartbes> don't I just need PKG_BUILD_DIR?
2010-08-15 10:47 <mirko> bartbes: that way would need 2 Makefiles
2010-08-15 10:47 <bartbes> the rest looks a bit black-magic-y and a bit over-the-top
2010-08-15 10:47 <larsc> you add a VARIANT field to each define Package/ncurses{,w}
2010-08-15 10:47 <mirko> bartbes: with build-variance you can use just one Makefile
2010-08-15 10:48 <larsc> and when Build/Compile or Build/Configure you'll have the VARIANT for your package in $BUILD_VARIANT
2010-08-15 10:48 <bartbes> well that isn't entirely possible either
2010-08-15 10:48 <bartbes> if you look at the ncurses makefile you see CONFIGURE_ARGS
2010-08-15 10:48 <bartbes> that is what I'm modifying
2010-08-15 10:49 <larsc> ifdef BUILD_VARIANT
2010-08-15 10:49 <bartbes> it's that and the install
2010-08-15 10:49 <larsc> CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--variant=$BUILD_VARIANT
2010-08-15 10:50 <larsc> endif
2010-08-15 10:50 <bartbes> ?!
2010-08-15 10:50 <bartbes> see, you guys just throw me some makefile keywords
2010-08-15 10:50 <bartbes> how am I supposed to make sense out of that?!
2010-08-15 10:50 <bartbes> so, I modify: define Package/libncurses/install
2010-08-15 10:51 <larsc> by thinking
2010-08-15 10:51 <bartbes> to: define Package/libncurses{,w}/install
2010-08-15 10:51 <larsc> ;)
2010-08-15 10:51 <larsc> no
2010-08-15 10:51 <bartbes> I need to make 2?
2010-08-15 10:51 <larsc> yes
2010-08-15 10:51 <larsc> one for each package
2010-08-15 10:52 <bartbes> right, did that
2010-08-15 10:52 <bartbes> now what do I do with Build/InstallDev?
2010-08-15 10:53 <larsc> you need to check $BUILD_VARIANT there
2010-08-15 10:53 <bartbes> so...
2010-08-15 10:53 <bartbes> makefile ifs?
2010-08-15 10:54 <bartbes> ifeq ($(BUILD_VARIANT),ncurses), that?
2010-08-15 10:55 <larsc> yes
2010-08-15 10:55 <bartbes> right, did that for Build/InstallDev
2010-08-15 10:55 <bartbes> now I guess the same with the CONFIGURE)ARGS
2010-08-15 10:57 <larsc> yes
2010-08-15 10:57 <bartbes> so, now what do I do with the eval lines?
2010-08-15 10:57 <bartbes> just leave in both?
2010-08-15 10:58 <larsc> yes, one for each package
2010-08-15 10:59 <bartbes> right, now what else?
2010-08-15 10:59 <bartbes> the PKG_BUILD_DIR?
2010-08-15 10:59 <bartbes> or just leave that alone?
2010-08-15 11:00 <larsc> should work fine with the default
2010-08-15 11:01 <bartbes> right
2010-08-15 11:01 <bartbes> so now how do I build them?
2010-08-15 11:03 <bartbes> make package/ncurses/compile should build them both?
2010-08-15 11:03 <larsc> no
2010-08-15 11:03 <larsc> well
2010-08-15 11:03 <larsc> depends
2010-08-15 11:03 <larsc> if both are selected yes
2010-08-15 11:04 <larsc> but I just found out, that you need to change PKG_BUILD_DIR to something like PKG_BUILD_DIR:=$(BUILD_DIR)/$(PKG_NAME)-$(BUILD_VARIANT)/$(PKG_NAME)-$(PKG_VERSION)
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> right
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> I'll compile both of them now
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> then a program depending on them
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> to see if they need to recompile
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> but what if it works?
2010-08-15 11:07 <bartbes> do I need to add the ncurses to qi-packages?
2010-08-15 11:08 <bartbes> that seems weird
2010-08-15 11:16 <bartbes> well, it failed
2010-08-15 11:17 <bartbes> can i do make package/ncurses/compile?
2010-08-15 11:17 <bartbes> because obviously the build variant is empty..
2010-08-15 11:17 <bartbes> (as the build dir shows)
2010-08-15 11:25 <larsc> please show your current Makefile
2010-08-15 11:28 <bartbes> give me a sec while I install xclip
2010-08-15 11:29 <bartbes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/478409/
2010-08-15 11:29 <bartbes> now of course I made some horrible mistake..
2010-08-15 11:34 <qmasterrr> hello
2010-08-15 11:35 <bartbes> hello
2010-08-15 11:35 <larsc> bartbes: you need to add a VARIANT field to each package
2010-08-15 11:35 <bartbes> what should the contents be?
2010-08-15 11:36 <larsc> the contens is what ends up in BUILD_VARIANT, when the package is build
2010-08-15 11:37 <bartbes> right
2010-08-15 11:37 <larsc> so in your case you want ncurses and ncursesw
2010-08-15 11:37 <bartbes> fixes it all
2010-08-15 11:40 <qmasterrr> I managed to crosscompile mpg123 but if i try to play a mp3 file on my BNN the cpu cant keep up, i thought it would be a fast way of getting mp3 support for gmu
2010-08-15 11:41 <wejp> qmasterrr, you have to use the fixed-point-math decoder
2010-08-15 11:41 <wejp> with fpu emulation it is way too slow
2010-08-15 11:41 <qmasterrr> wejp, thanks :)
2010-08-15 11:42 <wejp> :)
2010-08-15 11:48 <qmasterrr> wejp: then mpg123 is not an option and i need to check if i can run GMU with some other mp3 decoder (like mad)?
2010-08-15 11:49 <wejp> no, of course mpg123 is an option, jst compile it with the fixed-point decoder instead of the floating point decoder
2010-08-15 11:50 <wejp> libmad is slower than mpg123 and has a horrible api, so it is no use
2010-08-15 11:51 <qmasterrr> i'm new to the openwrt build system and Makefile style so its a bit hard to figure out
2010-08-15 11:53 <wejp> you could also just use libmpg123 from the dingoo package of gmu. works just fine on the ben as well
2010-08-15 11:56 <bartbes> larsc: well, it tells me I have an endef too little
2010-08-15 11:57 <bartbes> yet grep + wc tell me the number is the same
2010-08-15 11:59 <qmasterrr> that would be the easy way, i was planning to create a (openwrt) Makefile for libmpg123
2010-08-15 11:59 <larsc> bartbes: well, i can't help you without seeing the Makfiles content
2010-08-15 12:01 <bartbes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/478423/
2010-08-15 12:01 <bartbes> heh, nice syntax highlighting
2010-08-15 12:01 <bartbes> it calls just about everything illegal ;)
2010-08-15 12:03 <larsc> hm, indeed. looks about right
2010-08-15 12:03 <wejp> qmasterrr, ah, i see. there are examples on how to create openwrt packages for programs using a configure script. you could check out those or just have a look at one of the packages already in openwrt. many of them use a configure script. it isn't that difficult
2010-08-15 12:04 <qmasterrr> yes, i have created a makefile its a little bit of a mess but it works :)
2010-08-15 12:05 <bartbes> wejp: it always assumes you use the autotools
2010-08-15 12:05 <qmasterrr> now i have upgradet to gcc version 4.4.4 and im starting to getting errors on Makefiles i haven't touched
2010-08-15 12:06 <wejp> bartbes, even if it recreates the configure script each time, it still needs to call it at one point ;)
2010-08-15 12:06 <bartbes> larsc: line 115, it says...
2010-08-15 12:06 <bartbes> wejp: no, I mean it always does that
2010-08-15 12:06 <bartbes> by default
2010-08-15 12:06 <wejp> what?
2010-08-15 12:06 <bartbes> you only need to specify it separately if you have additional arguments
2010-08-15 12:06 <bartbes> anyway, dinner
2010-08-15 12:07 <wejp> that's the point, it needs to be called with additional arguments
2010-08-15 12:07 <wejp> but it looks like qmasterrr got it working already
2010-08-15 12:08 <qmasterrr> kind of :D
2010-08-15 12:08 <wejp> hehe
2010-08-15 12:09 <qmasterrr> quick question what gcc version do you use?
2010-08-15 12:09 <wejp> 4.3.3 i think
2010-08-15 12:09 <wejp> the one for openwrt that is
2010-08-15 12:09 <wejp> my native gcc is 4.5.0
2010-08-15 12:13 <qmasterrr> hum, if it complains about an makefile since i have updatet to make 3.82 should get wondering?
2010-08-15 12:13 <qmasterrr> stupid me makefile syntax error is not gcc its Make :)
2010-08-15 12:14 <wejp> weird
2010-08-15 12:17 <qmasterrr> openwrt-xburst/build_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.32/busybox-1.15.3 \ Makefile:431: *** mixed implicit and normal rules.  Stop.
2010-08-15 12:18 <qmasterrr> it seems to me that the new Make version doesn't like "target %target:"
2010-08-15 12:51 <lekernel> http://www.ecs.umass.edu/ece/tessier/rcg/bds-pga-2.0/
2010-08-15 12:51 <lekernel> seems to be good shit
2010-08-15 12:52 <lekernel> according to the paper it's better than quartus
2010-08-15 12:52 <lekernel> "The BDS-pga program is for academic purposes use only" "This research has been funded by Altera Corporation."
2010-08-15 12:57 <lekernel> whoa there's even a verilog compiler to the BLIW language they use
2010-08-15 12:57 <lekernel> http://embedded.eecs.berkeley.edu/Alumni/rajeev/cs252/report/main/node10.html
2010-08-15 12:57 <lekernel> i need to try it
2010-08-15 12:58 <lekernel> so far it's the most serious open source (but not free it seems) synthesis tool i've seen
2010-08-15 13:00 <lekernel> damn, it compiled... this is so rare for academic tools
2010-08-15 13:06 <bartbes> larsc: apparently endef can't be indented...
2010-08-15 13:15 <bartbes> larsc: thx for the help, it all works now
2010-08-15 13:15 <bartbes> now, how should I commit this?
2010-08-15 13:16 <lekernel> ...but it segfaults. back to normal :)
2010-08-15 13:19 <larsc> bartbes: send a patch
2010-08-15 13:19 <bartbes> ehm, I can commit
2010-08-15 13:19 <bartbes> I just mean, how should I commit the ncurses stuff?
2010-08-15 13:19 <larsc> not to the openwrt repo
2010-08-15 13:19 <bartbes> oh
2010-08-15 13:19 <bartbes> but then
2010-08-15 13:19 <bartbes> wordgrinder is going to have to wait for ages probably
2010-08-15 13:20 <bartbes> :(
2010-08-15 13:20 <larsc> why?
2010-08-15 13:20 <bartbes> because it depends on ncursesw
2010-08-15 13:20 <bartbes> right, so how should I create the patch?
2010-08-15 13:21 <larsc> svn diff
2010-08-15 13:21 <bartbes> so I need to clone their svn repo, copy my new one over and diff?
2010-08-15 13:22 <larsc> or just send me the makefile
2010-08-15 13:22 <bartbes> heh, that sounds easier ;)
2010-08-15 13:23 <bartbes> how should I send it to you?
2010-08-15 13:23 <larsc> email
2010-08-15 13:23 <larsc> lars at metafoo.de
2010-08-15 13:24 <bartbes> sent
2010-08-15 13:25 <bartbes> btw, should I just commit wordgrinder and set it as broken in the mean time?
2010-08-15 13:27 <bartbes> maybe it would be easier for you guys if there was a simple guide which stated what the rules are for the repo (what is to be committed, what not, what is to be marked broken, etc)
2010-08-15 13:27 <bartbes> P
2010-08-15 13:27 <bartbes> *:P
2010-08-15 13:31 <larsc> if in doubt: commit. Its usally easy to revert it later it shouldn't have been commited
2010-08-15 13:32 <bartbes> hehe
2010-08-15 13:32 <bartbes> time to commit porn then ;)
2010-08-15 13:32 <bartbes> good thing it's hard to erase history
2010-08-15 13:32 <bartbes> safe storage for ever!
2010-08-15 13:32 <bartbes> :P
2010-08-15 13:34 <larsc> with git it is
2010-08-15 13:34 <bartbes> btw, I just add a depend BROKEN right?
2010-08-15 13:35 <larsc> does ncursesw really depend on ncurses?
2010-08-15 13:35 <bartbes> no
2010-08-15 13:35 <bartbes> but
2010-08-15 13:35 <bartbes> it depends on some of the stuff in the ncurses package
2010-08-15 13:35 <bartbes> if I include them in both you can't install them side-by-side
2010-08-15 13:35 <larsc> ok
2010-08-15 13:36 <bartbes> the terminfo stuff
2010-08-15 13:36 <bartbes> cleans up his wordgrinder patch (newlines etc)
2010-08-15 13:38 <larsc> maybe we should move the terminfo stuff into it's own package
2010-08-15 13:38 <larsc> debian for example has a ncurses-base package
2010-08-15 13:39 <bartbes> that might not be a bad idea
2010-08-15 13:39 <bartbes> but
2010-08-15 13:39 <bartbes> can you build it separately?
2010-08-15 13:43 <qi-bot> [commit] bartbes: Wordgrinder: Builds, marked broken until upstream accepts ncurses patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8479332
2010-08-15 13:43 <bartbes> there we go
2010-08-15 13:43 <larsc> well, you could, but you don't have to
2010-08-15 13:43 <bartbes> *if* they accept it of course
2010-08-15 13:43 <bartbes> :P
2010-08-15 13:44 <larsc> they?
2010-08-15 13:44 <bartbes> openwrt
2010-08-15 13:44 <larsc> i can commit to the openwrt repo, so thats not a problem
2010-08-15 13:45 <bartbes> oh
2010-08-15 13:45 <bartbes> well in that case
2010-08-15 13:45 <bartbes> btw, shall I create the separate termlib package?
2010-08-15 13:46 <larsc> well, if you want to, sure
2010-08-15 13:46 <bartbes> I wonder if --with-termlib *only* builds it
2010-08-15 13:46 <bartbes> "generate separate terminfo library"
2010-08-15 13:47 <bartbes> simple solution
2010-08-15 13:47 <bartbes> normal compile
2010-08-15 13:47 <bartbes> ;)
2010-08-15 13:48 <bartbes> as far as I can tell it builds both
2010-08-15 13:48 <bartbes> which.. sucks
2010-08-15 13:50 <bartbes> well, then I'm too lazy
2010-08-15 13:50 <bartbes> spent enough time on it already
2010-08-15 13:51 <larsc> hm, ncursesw and ncruses ship header files with the same name but different content
2010-08-15 13:51 <bartbes> they do?
2010-08-15 13:52 <bartbes> well, yes, I guess it makes sense that there's diff content
2010-08-15 13:54 <bartbes> debian's solution is making ncursesw install its headers in /usr/include/ncursesw
2010-08-15 13:54 <bartbes> we can do the same thing I guess
2010-08-15 13:54 <larsc> yes
2010-08-15 13:54 <bartbes> that's why I'm glad I'm only lead dev of 1 big project, I'd hate it to have to make these decisions ;)
2010-08-15 14:12 <bartbes> larsc: so, do I need to do anything?
2010-08-15 14:21 <larsc> nope
2010-08-15 14:21 <bartbes> cool
2010-08-15 14:22 <bartbes> not to sound pushy, but when can I expect the 'patch' to be into the openwrt tree?
2010-08-15 14:30 <larsc> soon
2010-08-15 14:32 <larsc> it does not seem to work as expected
2010-08-15 14:33 <bartbes> care to elaborate?
2010-08-15 14:33 <larsc> only the dev files for ncuresesw get installed if both are selected
2010-08-15 14:34 <bartbes> can I help?
2010-08-15 14:34 <larsc> don't think so
2010-08-15 14:34 <bartbes> :(
2010-08-15 14:35 <larsc> i guess InstallDev doesn't handle VARIANTs correctly yet
2010-08-15 14:35 <bartbes> I'm pretty sure you need to if that
2010-08-15 14:36 <bartbes> evening Textmode
2010-08-15 14:36 <Textmode> huggles bartbes 
2010-08-15 14:43 <bartbes> wordgrinder is pretty nice btw
2010-08-15 14:43 <bartbes> but it really can't handle terminals smaller than 80x24 I guess
2010-08-15 14:43 <bartbes> its menus are simply hardcoded
2010-08-15 15:43 <Chubs> Hello
2010-08-15 15:44 <Chubs> is it ok to buy a GTX 480 for an old Q9400 2,67 ghz Quadcore, or would it just be slowed down?
2010-08-15 15:44 <bartbes> that seems.. slightly.. off-topic
2010-08-15 15:47 <Chubs> sorry
2010-08-15 15:47 <Chubs> cant find a right tech help chat
2010-08-15 15:55 <jirkab> bartbes: WordGrinder fits easily at 53x20 console
2010-08-15 15:56 <jirkab> bartbes: I think this is one of the resolutions of future release
2010-08-15 15:57 <bartbes> well in that case
2010-08-15 15:57 <bartbes> yay
2010-08-15 15:58 <bartbes> you read the logs, didn't you?
2010-08-15 15:58 <jirkab> bartbes: I just looked at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/latest.log.html
2010-08-15 15:58 <bartbes> that's what I said
2010-08-15 15:59 <bartbes> right, I think that the keymap is the worst problem
2010-08-15 15:59 <bartbes> and you can change it easily
2010-08-15 15:59 <bartbes> however, it stores it in the document
2010-08-15 15:59 <bartbes> not in a conf file
2010-08-15 15:59 <jirkab> bartbes: that's not very good
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> it is not
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> btw, I did some nice tricks
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> ;)
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> for example it used to use luac to compile the lua into bytecode
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> but since that is non-portable and there's no mipsel luac to run
2010-08-15 16:00 <jirkab> hm
2010-08-15 16:00 <bartbes> I simply made it use cat
2010-08-15 16:01 <bartbes> and now it runs nicely ;)
2010-08-15 16:01 <jirkab> great!
2010-08-15 16:01 <bartbes> I've committed it already btw
2010-08-15 16:01 <bartbes> ( http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8479332 )
2010-08-15 16:01 <jirkab> must see and try :-) congratulations!
2010-08-15 16:02 <larsc> hu? I though luac was portable
2010-08-15 16:02 <bartbes> the bytecode isn't
2010-08-15 16:02 <bartbes> it's platform-dependent version-dependent
2010-08-15 16:02 <bartbes> and much more-dependent
2010-08-15 16:03 <bartbes> though man pages seem to disagree with me
2010-08-15 16:03 <bartbes> "The binary files created by luac are portable to all architectures with the same word size. This means that binary files created on a 32-bit platform (such as Intel) can be read without change in another 32-bit platform (such as Sparc), even if the byte order (``endianess'') is different. On the other hand, binary files created on a 16-bit platform cannot be read in a 32-bit platform. "
2010-08-15 16:03 <bartbes> However, I know from personal experience it is not
2010-08-15 16:04 <bartbes> (it errored before I fixed it of course, but I have previous experience)
2010-08-15 16:04 <jirkab> nothing is perfect ;-)
2010-08-15 16:05 <jirkab> but it's good to know that it doesn't work
2010-08-15 16:05 <bartbes> jirkab: if you want to compile it I can send you the makefile of ncurses
2010-08-15 16:06 <larsc> but shouldn't luac simply preprocess the lua file just as a lua interpreter does when it loads the same lua script?
2010-08-15 16:06 <bartbes> not.. entirely
2010-08-15 16:06 <bartbes> well, a bit yes
2010-08-15 16:06 <bartbes> but it compiles
2010-08-15 16:06 <bartbes> and since we're using a modified version of lua
2010-08-15 16:06 <bartbes> (lnum most notably)
2010-08-15 16:07 <jirkab> bartbes: yes, thanks. I want to try it ;-)
2010-08-15 16:07 <bartbes> the bytecode might not be interpreted the same way
2010-08-15 16:07 <bartbes> (in this case it already failed in the header, as it always should, I guess)
2010-08-15 16:07 <bartbes> jirkab: just tell me where and how to send it
2010-08-15 16:07 <larsc> ah ok, luac is run on the host building the package
2010-08-15 16:07 <larsc> ?
2010-08-15 16:07 <bartbes> larsc: yes
2010-08-15 16:09 <bartbes> larsc: btw, have you got the installdev sections to work yet, or shall I take a look at it?
2010-08-15 16:12 <larsc> bartbes: not yet
2010-08-15 16:21 <bartbes> larsc: does only ncursesw install headers in your attempt?
2010-08-15 16:23 <larsc> well, both install them, but wenn ncursesw headers are installed ncurses headers are removed again
2010-08-15 16:23 <bartbes> oh
2010-08-15 16:23 <bartbes> I see
2010-08-15 16:24 <bartbes> that explains the weird behavior
2010-08-15 16:25 <bartbes> can't we just merge them both into one InstallDev?
2010-08-15 16:25 <larsc> i don't think so
2010-08-15 16:26 <bartbes> I tried, it's compiling now
2010-08-15 16:26 <bartbes> hmm
2010-08-15 16:26 <bartbes> another idea
2010-08-15 16:30 <larsc> we'll need to add support for this to the build system
2010-08-15 16:30 <bartbes> right..
2010-08-15 16:31 <bartbes> there is no support for multiple InstallDevs yet?
2010-08-15 16:31 <bartbes> I even tried puttin an if in the define
2010-08-15 16:31 <bartbes> that failed too
2010-08-15 16:31 <bartbes> --: eval: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `libncurses,libncursesw'
2010-08-15 16:33 <bartbes> we *can* add multiple hooks
2010-08-15 16:33 <larsc> nope
2010-08-15 16:33 <bartbes> $(foreach hook,$(Hooks/InstallDev/Post),\
2010-08-15 16:33 <bartbes> doesn't that mean it loops over them?
2010-08-15 16:33 <larsc> yes, but that wont help us
2010-08-15 16:34 <larsc> the problem is that files installed by DevInstall are removed the next time DevInstall for the same Makefile is run
2010-08-15 16:34 <bartbes> right
2010-08-15 16:34 <bartbes> that makes absolute sense though
2010-08-15 16:34 <bartbes> so your build variants aren't the working solution after all (for now) :P
2010-08-15 16:35 <larsc> well, we need to teach the DevInstall stuff about variants
2010-08-15 16:35 <larsc> or introduce a per paket DevInstall
2010-08-15 16:36 <bartbes> well, what is the easiest, and what is the most useful?
2010-08-15 16:38 <larsc> the later is more usefull
2010-08-15 16:38 <larsc> but the other is easier (just did it)
2010-08-15 16:38 <bartbes> heh
2010-08-15 16:38 <bartbes> easy way is best :P
2010-08-15 16:46 <bartbes> so, did it work?
2010-08-15 16:46 <larsc> yes
2010-08-15 16:46 <bartbes> cool
2010-08-15 16:47 <bartbes> so I even made sure the openwrt build system 'improves'
2010-08-15 16:47 <bartbes> what an amazingly productive day ;)
2010-08-15 16:48 <bartbes> in retrospect wordg... something was easy to port compared to the trouble I went through to get ncursesw
2010-08-15 17:10 <rafa> larsc: could you tell me how to create the /dev/rtc or /dev/misc/rtc device for nn? I built 2.6.34 with RTC support and I see the rtc driver init at boot time.. but hwclock -w complains
2010-08-15 17:11 <larsc> rafa: hm, you need CONFIG_RTC_DEV or something like that
2010-08-15 17:11 <rafa> it (hwclock) tries to use /dev/misc/rtc.. but no sure which proper mknod arguments to use
2010-08-15 17:11 <rafa> larsc: yes, kernel has rtc support I guess
2010-08-15 17:12 <rafa> the problem is the lack of /dev/*rtc* device files
2010-08-15 17:12 <rafa> I think.
2010-08-15 17:14 <rafa> larsc: I set rtc driver in menuconfig. and kernel messages at boot time says:
2010-08-15 17:14 <rafa> $ dmesg | grep -i rtc
2010-08-15 17:14 <rafa> jz4740-rtc jz4740-rtc: rtc core: registered jz4740-rtc as rtc0
2010-08-15 17:14 <rafa> jz4740-rtc jz4740-rtc: setting system clock to 1970-01-04 21:06:54 UTC (335214)
2010-08-15 17:14 <larsc> yes. there is a seperate option for the /dev/rtc devices
2010-08-15 17:14 <larsc>  CONFIG_RTC_INTF_DEV:
2010-08-15 17:22 <rafa> larsc: it was there. I mknod /dev/rtc0 and then I did a symbolic link rtc -> rtc0 and it works now. I do not have udev right now
2010-08-15 17:22 <rafa> that is why I needed to create those
2010-08-15 17:24 <larsc> ok
2010-08-15 17:34 <bartbes> jirkab: for when you're reading this (you will, I know that), I found *a* 'keymap' in src/c/arch/unix/cursesw/dpy.c
2010-08-15 18:26 <Textmode> bartbes: ?
2010-08-15 18:26 <bartbes> Textmode: ?
2010-08-15 18:26 <Textmode> bartbes: !
2010-08-15 18:30 <bartbes> Textmode: so what do you want to know?
2010-08-15 18:32 <Textmode> bartbes: I was wondering why a "keymap" was notable.
2010-08-15 18:39 <bartbes> because it isn't available in a config
2010-08-15 18:39 <bartbes> yet is set on a per-file basis
2010-08-15 18:45 <Textmode> hmm...
2010-08-15 21:44 <rafa> larsc: wolfspraul: any idea how to add swap using nand?.. if that is possible.. a swapfile on ubifs would fail it seems
2010-08-15 21:45 <wolfspraul> I think swap is equally bad on NAND and SD, it's only a temporary solution (the user turns it on, does something, turns it off).
2010-08-15 21:45 <wolfspraul> but that means it cannot be the 'default' for an end user
2010-08-15 21:46 <kristianpaul> :/
2010-08-15 21:46 <wolfspraul> from those 2, SD is probably still better at least the microSD is easily replaceable :-)
2010-08-15 21:46 <rafa> wolfspraul: why do you think that? we have used swap partitions on sd with jlime for years
2010-08-15 21:47 <wolfspraul> rafa: ok then you know more than me that's good! Most people try to reduce NAND writes, so generally don't swap on nand.
2010-08-15 21:47 <rafa> wolfspraul: with just 16 mb of machines, so kernel used that often. For nn we have better environment with 32MB
2010-08-15 21:47 <rafa> of Ram.
2010-08-15 21:47 <wolfspraul> anyway, you want swap on nand, so why not! :-) But I cannot answer your question, unfortunately.
2010-08-15 21:48 <kristianpaul> good point avoid nand writes
2010-08-15 21:48 <wolfspraul> ubifs may not even implement the special locked-only code paths that are normally needed to support swap files (don't know Linux internals about this, just guessing)
2010-08-15 21:49 <kristianpaul> rafa: you said once linux require swap why is not the same with openwrt?
2010-08-15 21:49 <wolfspraul> so maybe you need a new partition as a block device, then put swap on it?
2010-08-15 21:49 <rafa> wolfspraul: that I know is that swap is a nice thing for the system almost always, for programs doing mallocs at least (many).
2010-08-15 21:51 <rafa> kristianpaul: I do not know much current openwrt. For the openwrt image on nn it looks like just a sdl application on fb, which is not eating much ram. But I can give you an example for openwrt where an application will not work because the kernl will kill it without swap.
2010-08-15 21:51 <rafa> kristianpaul: just do a proper malloc still if your program will not use that memory.
2010-08-15 21:53 <rafa> wolfspraul: I was asking to test it on nand. But I do not know if that works. I read that flash filesystem are not useful for swapfiles, and when I tried swapon it fails.
2010-08-15 21:53 <kristianpaul> is not posible format NAND as ext?
2010-08-15 21:54 <kristianpaul> are you using ubifs isnt?
2010-08-15 21:56 <kristianpaul> any way i need sleep (just arrived from trip), g8 4 all !
2010-08-15 21:57 <rafa> kristianpaul: perhaps you find this cool to read: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html  (still if it is obsolete, nice to read)
2010-08-15 21:58 <rafa> kristianpaul: yes, ubifs.
2010-08-15 21:58 <rafa> cya man
2010-08-15 21:59 <wolfspraul> you should definitely test it, would be a nice stress test too :-)
2010-08-15 21:59 <rafa> wolfspraul: yes, perhaps I need that (a new partition as a block device).. I would need to learn how to do that first ;) (if that is possible for current nand and system)
2010-08-15 21:59 <wolfspraul> but I don't know how to quickly make it work on nand, sorry...
2010-08-15 22:00 <rafa> wolfspraul: well, If I learn and test then I will let you to know the tests
2010-08-15 22:00 <wolfspraul> I don't know how the kernel gets information about the partition starts, maybe over the command line? from u-boot? where does u-boot get it from? statically compiled in somewhere?
2010-08-15 22:00 <wolfspraul> maybe it's statically compiled into the kernel
2010-08-15 22:21 <rafa> wolfspraul: I will check
2010-08-15 22:32 <xiangfu> rafa:  the partition is statically compiled into kernel.
2010-08-15 22:41 <lunavorax> Morning everyone
2010-08-15 22:41 <lunavorax> I wonder if there's anyone still awake here
2010-08-15 22:42 <xiangfu> lunavorax: yes
2010-08-15 22:43 <lunavorax> hey :)
2010-08-15 22:43 <lunavorax> i'm looking for information about compiling a simple hello world for the ben
2010-08-15 22:44 <lunavorax> I'm a real noob so I don't really know where to search
2010-08-15 22:48 <xiangfu> lunavorax: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image
2010-08-15 22:48 <Textmode> ...compile a boilerplate "hello world" with the xburst compiler?
2010-08-15 22:49 <xiangfu> lunavorax: you need get the cross compiler first.
2010-08-15 22:49 <lunavorax> Thanks xiangfu but what is that
2010-08-15 22:49 <lunavorax> Do I have to compile on the ben or can I do it on my x86_64 computer ?
2010-08-15 22:50 <xiangfu> lunavorax: do it on your x86_64 computer.
2010-08-15 22:50 <Textmode> lunavorax: its a cross-compiler chain
2010-08-15 22:50 <Textmode> xiangfu: stop being better at this than me! ;_;
2010-08-15 22:52 <lunavorax> ok
2010-08-15 22:52 <lunavorax> As I do use Ubuntu I suppose I have to do the whole aptitude install thing as shown on the wiki right ?
2010-08-15 22:52 <lunavorax> Or is there some packages i don't need
2010-08-15 22:55 <lunavorax> Oh btw
2010-08-15 22:55 <lunavorax> Is there a way to change the size of the letters ?
2010-08-15 22:56 <lunavorax> When I hit Ctrl + Alt + F1
2010-08-15 22:56 <lunavorax> The letters are way to big and I can't find a way to switch to a way smaller police
2010-08-15 22:56 <Textmode> I think it selected during kernel configuration.
2010-08-15 22:56 <lunavorax> Oh so it cannot be changed then
2010-08-15 22:56 <xiangfu> lunavorax: just follow the wiki.  and here is what is cross compiler : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler
2010-08-15 22:57 <lunavorax> Ok sorry xiangfu maybe i ask too much questions :/
2010-08-15 22:58 <xiangfu> lunavorax: it's can not changed in the last release. because in last release 2010-06-15, there is no font package, no kbd utilities.
2010-08-15 22:58 <xiangfu> lunavorax: no. I like question. that mean someone start working with NanoNote. or learning NanoNote. :)
2010-08-15 22:59 <xiangfu> lunavorax: we will add more fonts in next release.
2010-08-15 22:59 <lunavorax> Well I bought the nanonote in order to program on it yeah... even if I'm a very beginner :/
2010-08-15 22:59 <xiangfu> Textmode: yes. by default it's selected during kernel configuration.
2010-08-15 22:59 <lunavorax> That's great to hear xiangfu I was tired of doing ssh only to have correct text display
2010-08-15 22:59 <lunavorax> (also i'm waiting for screen flickering fix, you know)
2010-08-15 23:00 <lunavorax> Dingux have a 4x3 font while displaying text at boot, that's much better
2010-08-15 23:01 <xiangfu> lunavorax: 4x3 is too small I think. we have test 4x8. 6x10, 6x11, never test 4x3.
2010-08-15 23:02 <xiangfu> lunavorax: you can found the screenshot here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_fonts#Screenshots
2010-08-15 23:02 <lunavorax> I said 4x3 but I don't really know the size. However i'm sure that was the smallest possible
2010-08-15 23:04 <lunavorax> 4x8 looks ok for me
2010-08-15 23:04 <lunavorax> Also text fits correctly
2010-08-15 23:04 <lunavorax> Oh I almost forgot
2010-08-15 23:04 <lunavorax> I tried an experiment w/ the nanonote but apparently it's wasn't designed for that
2010-08-15 23:05 <lunavorax> I bought a mini-b male usb to usb A female adaptor
2010-08-15 23:06 <lunavorax> And plugged in a usb flash key but apparently it doesn't work. I bought this adapter in order to use it w/ a wifi usb key. But if it doesn't work.. <_<
2010-08-15 23:06 <xiangfu> lunavorax: the usb port in nanonote is Device. not HOST.
2010-08-15 23:06 <Textmode> basically.
2010-08-15 23:07 <Textmode> personally, I wish it was USB2Go, or somethign of that ilk. but meh.
2010-08-15 23:07 <lunavorax> ok so i was wrong
2010-08-15 23:07 <Textmode> lunavorax: even if it did work, you'd need drivers.
2010-08-15 23:07 <lunavorax> indeed
2010-08-15 23:08 <Textmode> lunavorax: there are SDIO cards that work, though they are a pretty penny from what I hear.
2010-08-15 23:08 <lunavorax> Too expensive for me i think
2010-08-15 23:08 <lunavorax> IIRC