2010-08-13 01:56 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain2: you up (just testing the channel :-))
2010-08-13 01:57 <tuxbrain2> testing ok :)
2010-08-13 01:57 <wolfspraul> good
2010-08-13 04:14 <wolfspraul> DigitalPioneer: DocScrutinizer no more? I cannot believe it...
2010-08-13 05:41 <alcy> errm, is it ok to have the battery plugged in while flashing if the usb boot mode is succesful ?
2010-08-13 05:43 <wolfspraul> alcy: why not? you try :-)
2010-08-13 05:44 <alcy> alright
2010-08-13 05:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: fix the tar parameter, rootfs name, some cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/300b07c
2010-08-13 05:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:nn-usb-fpga http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/a049e30
2010-08-13 06:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: fixed LED D5 not work well http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/677a5ab
2010-08-13 06:35 <lekernel> http://dailym.net/2010/08/ben-nanonote-pocket-computer/
2010-08-13 06:35 <lekernel> http://dailym.net/2010/08/milkymist-one-cc-vj-project/
2010-08-13 06:39 <wpwrak> the message is spreading :)
2010-08-13 07:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: More board cleanup. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a7c04ad
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] florian: backport r22585 to backfire, thanks maddes http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8bffa3e
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [backfire] merge r22589 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/952efd6
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [backfire] merge r22593 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/06a4487
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] nico: [backfire] backport r22597 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6d2845a
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] nico: [backfire] fix dependency issue introduced by r22598 (x86 has no kmod-input-core) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/305ad84
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] nico: [backfire] merge r21807 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c2a19c9
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] nico: [backfire] target/x86: add missing kernel debug symbols, fix kconfig going interactive when kernel debugging is enabled (closes: #7711) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7379fe1
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [backfire] merge r22605 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4d2014b
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [backfire] merge r22602 & r22607 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d323f5c
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [backfire] merge r22614 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/74a83bb
2010-08-13 07:03 <qi-bot> [commit] Mir
2010-08-13 07:04 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-13 07:04 <mirko> *sigh*
2010-08-13 07:13 <alcy> I upgraded the firmware but unable to ssh now.
2010-08-13 07:14 <alcy> oh wait
2010-08-13 07:17 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: preliminary placement improved http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/da7ba80
2010-08-13 07:30 <mirko> boah, how much i hate these bash/dash-incompatibilities...
2010-08-13 07:31 <wpwrak> mirko: ipkg --nuke dash dropbear busybox ? ;-)
2010-08-13 07:32 <mirko> right know having issues on a debian system which uses the dash and scripts having "#!/bin/sh" in their first line
2010-08-13 07:33 <wpwrak> oh dear ...
2010-08-13 07:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: use feeds.conf.default if no feeds.conf file exists http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/64df31c
2010-08-13 07:35 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: force using bash, because of bash/dash/whatever-sh incompabilities... http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/56538f6
2010-08-13 07:36 <wpwrak> ash :)
2010-08-13 07:36 <mirko> fortunately i don't know any server-/desktop linux distribution which is having the ash as default shell
2010-08-13 07:40 <wpwrak> is registering project pervertix, a new linux server and desktop distro
2010-08-13 07:46 <bartbes> wpwrak: *another* one?
2010-08-13 07:49 <mirko> with ash as default shell? ;)
2010-08-13 07:52 <bartbes> and without package system
2010-08-13 07:52 <wpwrak> mirko: ash as shell, dropbear for ssh, busybox for all the major utilities, gcc-1.4, ka9q for internet access, chimera for the web, haven't decided what to use for the windowing system
2010-08-13 07:52 <bartbes> and without make, gcc, etc installed
2010-08-13 07:53 <wpwrak> bartbes: ubuntu already cover the "no dev whatsoever by default" market :)
2010-08-13 07:53 <bartbes> yeah, but they have a package manager
2010-08-13 07:53 <bartbes> if you strip that as well
2010-08-13 07:53 <bartbes> and then stop using ELF
2010-08-13 07:53 <wpwrak> that's a good plan
2010-08-13 07:53 <bartbes> you get an amazingly useful distro!
2010-08-13 07:54 <wpwrak> yup. a.out is more than enough.
2010-08-13 07:54 <wpwrak> in fact, i could write all major scripts in, say, tcsh
2010-08-13 07:58 <alcy> me warns for noob alert
2010-08-13 07:59 <alcy> warns for noob alert. wow
2010-08-13 07:59 <alcy> ok so how do i get to the terminal from the graphical env ?
2010-08-13 08:00 <tuxbrain2> alcy: alt+f2
2010-08-13 08:00 <alcy> not working ?
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> alt+f5
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> oh
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> wait
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> from
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> ctrl+alt+f1-f4
2010-08-13 08:04 <mirko> wpwrak: and openwrt covers the embedded linux market (also without dev foo in the target)
2010-08-13 08:04 <bartbes> (last part being f1 to f4 all work for diff terminals)
2010-08-13 08:05 <mirko> (why's everybody starting making his own linux distribution?)
2010-08-13 08:05 <wpwrak> mirko: ah yes, right. hmm, a gentoo for small embedded would also be interesting. write everything in C++, for speedier compilation :)
2010-08-13 08:06 <mirko> wpwrak: ehrm... c++ is afaik the very worst regarding compilation time
2010-08-13 08:06 <wpwrak> mirko: mission accomplished ;-)
2010-08-13 08:23 <tuxbrain2> mirko: because they can :)
2010-08-13 08:24 <tuxbrain2> alcy: sorry I forguet the ctrl :P
2010-08-13 08:25 <alcy> nm, had figured it out anyway, just that spreading the fingers was a lil awkward
2010-08-13 10:17 <bartbes> a resurrection!
2010-08-13 10:20 <tuxbrain2> hehehe a pseudo briked NN turning to live again?
2010-08-13 10:23 <bartbes> I meant qi-bot
2010-08-13 10:23 <wolfspraul> bartbes: nah I'm just still not that good with eggdrop, so I restart more often than needed :-)
2010-08-13 10:23 <wolfspraul> but I can reproduce mirko's commitlog flooding problem now... good
2010-08-13 10:24 <bartbes> please, no reproductions! ;)
2010-08-13 10:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: usb added http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/35a1b35
2010-08-13 10:51 <SiENcE> hey
2010-08-13 10:51 <SiENcE> is it possible to run gcc on nanonote?
2010-08-13 10:53 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-08-13 10:53 <kristianpaul> i do
2010-08-13 10:53 <kristianpaul> (uses gcc with in jlime)
2010-08-13 10:53 <kristianpaul> others with debian i think
2010-08-13 10:53 <kristianpaul> not sure if openwrt ahve gcc
2010-08-13 10:56 <SiENcE> ah nice
2010-08-13 10:56 <SiENcE> so i can programm and compile nativ on nanonote?
2010-08-13 10:56 <SiENcE> i thought it might couse ram problems
2010-08-13 10:57 <zear> SiENcE, if you want to compile kde, then probably yes :D
2010-08-13 10:57 <SiENcE> haha nono
2010-08-13 10:57 <tuxbrain2> nothing like a little swap file can't fix,
2010-08-13 10:57 <SiENcE> but what are the limits?
2010-08-13 10:57 <tuxbrain2> 32Mb :P
2010-08-13 10:58 <SiENcE> ;)
2010-08-13 10:58 <SiENcE> -kernel -deamons -shell -xxx -xxx
2010-08-13 10:59 <SiENcE> or do you run gcc without kernel ;) ?
2010-08-13 10:59 <tuxbrain2> I have succesfully compile ethereal and kismet on a device smaller in (CPU and ram) than Nano you only need to a little more patience
2010-08-13 11:00 <kristianpaul> well you have swap
2010-08-13 11:00 <tuxbrain2> SiENcE: heheh ok ok touché!
2010-08-13 11:00 <SiENcE> :)
2010-08-13 11:00 <SiENcE> well ok this sounds good!
2010-08-13 11:01 <kristianpaul> it is !
2010-08-13 11:02 <tuxbrain2> I think I have read some report of a succesfull native kernel compilation
2010-08-13 11:02 <tuxbrain2> ofcourse it take a bunch of hours :)
2010-08-13 11:03 <zear> i once compiled freeciv on jornada 720 (206MHz arm, 32RAM + swap)
2010-08-13 11:03 <zear> took ~20min to compile
2010-08-13 11:04 <SiENcE> thats acceptable
2010-08-13 11:05 <SiENcE> so dingux apps are working on nanonote?
2010-08-13 11:05 <kristianpaul> linux? :p
2010-08-13 11:09 <SiENcE> zear, is it worth to buy a nanonote to compile dingux apps?
2010-08-13 11:09 <kristianpaul> no more?
2010-08-13 11:10 <zear> SiENcE, i don't think so, at least you'd have to use the same toolchain, or link them statically
2010-08-13 11:10 <zear> but nanonote is fun in general
2010-08-13 11:10 <kristianpaul> :d
2010-08-13 11:11 <zear> SiENcE, and jlime broke the compatibility with (at least some) dingux binaries
2010-08-13 11:14 <SiENcE> jlime ?
2010-08-13 11:15 <SiENcE> a mouse dektop for nanonote 8-) ?
2010-08-13 11:15 <tuxbrain2> SiENcE: an OpenEmbedded based distribution that also has a version for nn
2010-08-13 11:15 <tuxbrain2> kbd controled so don't worry but it runs X :)
2010-08-13 11:16 <kristianpaul> and runs vey well btw !!!
2010-08-13 11:16 <SiENcE> ok
2010-08-13 11:16 <tuxbrain2> indeed
2010-08-13 11:17 <zear> SiENcE, jlime, originally a distro for the Jornada handheld pcs (hence the Jornada Linux Mobility Edition name), though recently most of the crew (rafa, kristoffer, me and soon blizzard) got their nanonotes, so we've ported it to the nanonote :)
2010-08-13 11:17 <zear> X11, stuff like that, quite impressive
2010-08-13 11:17 <SiENcE> maybe my keymouse port works ;) ?
2010-08-13 11:18 <zear> vielleicht ;)
2010-08-13 11:19 <SiENcE> lol
2010-08-13 11:19 <zear> here you can see some screenshots: http://jlime.com/wiki/index.php/Showcases_screenshots
2010-08-13 11:20 <zear> it has a wikipedia offline reader, very handy stuff
2010-08-13 11:24 <SiENcE> thx
2010-08-13 11:24 <SiENcE> when we will get a nanonote 2 with wifi?
2010-08-13 11:24 <SiENcE> ;)
2010-08-13 11:24 <zear> probably never
2010-08-13 11:25 <zear> as i heard these guys have problem finding libre wifi
2010-08-13 11:26 <wpwrak> maybe not ieee 802.11, but maybe ieee 802.15.4 could be an option. hey, at least the first digits are the same :)
2010-08-13 11:28 <zear> if it had a regular size usb host it wouldn't be a problem
2010-08-13 11:28 <zear> as you could hook up almost everything to it
2010-08-13 11:30 <wpwrak> almost all the usb-attachable devices protrude quite a bit. so they wouldn't be very nice on such a small mobile device.
2010-08-13 11:30 <zear> wpwrak, wrong ;)
2010-08-13 11:30 <wpwrak> but usb host would have other uses, i agree
2010-08-13 11:30 <tuxbrain2> in addition the size of an standard USB plug is barelly imposible to fit in such small device
2010-08-13 11:31 <wpwrak> zear: well, besides the miniature bt dongles
2010-08-13 11:31 <zear> yeah, and i've also seen miniature wifi dongles
2010-08-13 11:31 <wpwrak> tuxbrain2: i'm not so sure it's impossible :)
2010-08-13 11:31 <Textmode> while full-sized would be nice, simply making it capable of being a usb host at all would make things a lot easier.
2010-08-13 11:31 <tuxbrain2> "barelly" imposible
2010-08-13 11:32 <tuxbrain2> not totally imposible
2010-08-13 11:32 <zear> wpwrak, http://www.lps2u.com/shop/images/prolink_wn2000_wireless_dongle.jpg that size should be acceptable
2010-08-13 11:32 <tuxbrain2> imposible is nothing but a lot of things are quite improbable
2010-08-13 11:32 <Textmode> and adding a standard miniUSB to USB cable would somewhat solve the problem of having ugly-big things hanging off the side
2010-08-13 11:33 <wpwrak> zear: hmm, probably not for a side-facing, but for a rear-facing connector.
2010-08-13 11:34 <wpwrak> Textmode: instead you have a chain of ugly things :) besides, the plug would be about as large as such a device
2010-08-13 11:34 <Textmode> wpwrak: yeah, but theres plenty fo dongles that aren't as reasonably sized.
2010-08-13 11:35 <Textmode> and I think we're all used to using the NN with a cable in that slot, even if its not our first choice.
2010-08-13 11:37 <nebajoth> what's the alternative, really?
2010-08-13 11:37 <nebajoth> to usb host, I mean
2010-08-13 11:37 <zear> as for mini-full usb adapters: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/05/16/coolguy_jpg_750x750_q85.jpg
2010-08-13 11:38 <Textmode> eh...that is a bit ugly :P
2010-08-13 11:39 <zear> yeah, that's what happens when you use miniUSB host ports
2010-08-13 11:39 <Textmode> nebajoth: USB-to-go?
2010-08-13 11:42 <wpwrak> zear: that cool guy should at least have added a satellite dish :)
2010-08-13 11:43 <zear> hehe, i only had a big-ass wifi at hand ;P
2010-08-13 11:56 <wpwrak> zear: or a radio telescope nearby. then plug a usb cable into the ben and bury the other end next to the scope's base. take a picture :)
2010-08-13 11:56 <zear> haha
2010-08-13 11:56 <Textmode> thumbs up! :D
2010-08-13 11:56 <Textmode> what do you reckon the range will be?
2010-08-13 11:59 <wpwrak> Textmode: depends on your protocol's tolerance to round-trip time
2010-08-13 12:05 <Textmode> hehe
2010-08-13 12:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: FPGA decoupling capacitors http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/37912ec
2010-08-13 12:48 <alcy> folks, have run into a bad situation, it seems. it was all fine till I decided to put debian on the nano-note. I am not sure but could using the u-boot provided at the pyneo site (avt2-u-boot) have caused the device to not function ?
2010-08-13 12:49 <alcy> software usb boot doesn't work. and the hardware method hasn't been succesful either. I couldn't have possibly bricked the device, could I ?
2010-08-13 12:51 <kristianpaul> yes sure you can alcy
2010-08-13 12:51 <kristianpaul> you canboot using an alternative method (not U key + power at startup)
2010-08-13 12:52 <kristianpaul> wait a min
2010-08-13 12:52 <alcy> kristianpaul: alright
2010-08-13 12:54 <samgee> awaits in suspense
2010-08-13 12:55 <kristianpaul> alcy: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode
2010-08-13 12:55 <kristianpaul> There is hardware boot method
2010-08-13 12:56 <kristianpaul> You only need boot the ben that way (remenber use the small carbon rubber included in box)
2010-08-13 12:57 <kristianpaul> and you can run the update script as always the recover the firmware including uboot and openwrt
2010-08-13 12:58 <samgee> I've been wearing out a piece of tin foil for the past 15 minutes, but lsusb shows nothing
2010-08-13 12:58 <alcy> kristianpaul: thing is, it isn't powering up ! took out the battery, conencted the usb cable, pressed the power button, no go. I have flashed it a few times with different "official" images, but its the first time I was trying out the debian ones
2010-08-13 12:59 <alcy> and that's when this happened
2010-08-13 13:00 <samgee> alcy, does yours also tick when you leave out the battery and plug in the usb cable?
2010-08-13 13:01 <alcy> samgee, well the tv was on n kids were playing around, i dd think i was hearing something, but not sure
2010-08-13 13:02 <kristianpaul> alcy: it is powering up even the screen dint look like it is
2010-08-13 13:02 <kristianpaul> alcy: you just may be damaged the uboot
2010-08-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> so the Ben cant boot, but dont mean is bricked
2010-08-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> just you need boot it using hardware method
2010-08-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> and on the computer side as you see the right usb id with lsusb
2010-08-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> you can reglash
2010-08-13 13:03 <kristianpaul> reflash*
2010-08-13 13:04 <alcy> kristianpaul: I know the screen won't show up, but the problem is lsusb doesn't show anything about any new device
2010-08-13 13:04 <kristianpaul> it must
2010-08-13 13:04 <samgee> same here
2010-08-13 13:04 <kristianpaul> how are you shorting the usb boot hardware pins?
2010-08-13 13:05 <alcy> kristianpaul: pressing the ruber thingy on the usb pins.
2010-08-13 13:05 <kristianpaul> what steps you did before?
2010-08-13 13:05 <samgee> wooh! found my rubber thingy again
2010-08-13 13:05 <samgee> tries again
2010-08-13 13:06 <kristianpaul> let  a watch lsusb running on the computer so can be sure when it appears
2010-08-13 13:06 <alcy> kristianpaul: took the battery out, disconencted usb cable, pressed the rubber thing (not sure which side of it though !, help ?) on ths usb boot pins
2010-08-13 13:06 <samgee> still no go :(
2010-08-13 13:06 <kristianpaul> 'watch lsusb' <-- two coommands
2010-08-13 13:06 <alcy> kristianpaul: I know, abiut that.
2010-08-13 13:06 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-08-13 13:07 <alcy> kristianpaul: my real source of apprehenesion is whether I am shorting the usb pins correctly
2010-08-13 13:07 <kristianpaul> press the rubeber thing then power on
2010-08-13 13:07 <kristianpaul> rubber*
2010-08-13 13:07 <kristianpaul> wich side?
2010-08-13 13:07 <kristianpaul> just int the4 middle of the two tiny pins
2010-08-13 13:07 <kristianpaul> s/int/in
2010-08-13 13:08 <alcy> kristianpaul: I will finally ask this, embarassed as much as I might be. which side of the rubebr thing ? the protruded side or the black one ? :(
2010-08-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> black one
2010-08-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> that touch the two pinds
2010-08-13 13:09 <alcy> ok so i was doing that right at least
2010-08-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> i remener i did this
2010-08-13 13:09 <kristianpaul> unplug usb
2010-08-13 13:10 <kristianpaul> push rubber thing
2010-08-13 13:10 <kristianpaul> plug usb
2010-08-13 13:10 <kristianpaul> then power on
2010-08-13 13:10 <alcy> kristianpaul, ok...will try it
2010-08-13 13:10 <alcy> kristianpaul: thanks for the help :)
2010-08-13 13:10 <kristianpaul> bug me again ig noething happen
2010-08-13 13:11 <samgee> holy crap! It finally showed up for some reason.
2010-08-13 13:11 <kristianpaul> is really toooo weird usb hardware dint work
2010-08-13 13:11 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: now, if you had an idbg, you could: idbg-nnboot usb; idbg-reset; sip a cool beer while you wait for it to boot :)
2010-08-13 13:11 <samgee> kristianpaul, thanks a bunch!
2010-08-13 13:11 <kristianpaul> samgee: holly good news :D
2010-08-13 13:11 <samgee> hugs the channel
2010-08-13 13:11 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: i dont but yeah that tiny thing really help
2010-08-13 13:12 <kristianpaul> want a beer is friday :)
2010-08-13 13:12 <kristianpaul> holy*
2010-08-13 13:12 <alcy> samgee , what did you do ?! :D
2010-08-13 13:12 <samgee> alcy, I did exactly as kristianpaul described ... again :)
2010-08-13 13:14 <samgee> hands kristianpaul one of these: http://www.oxfamwereldwinkels.be/pageview.aspx?pv_mid=4577&prod_ID=28
2010-08-13 13:15 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-13 13:15 <samgee> alcy, I switched usb ports a few times, maybe that matters too
2010-08-13 13:18 <kristianpaul> just make sure rubber is free of dust also the pins, fingers usually have grase so that may affect
2010-08-13 13:18 <kristianpaul> (just thinking waht else can be wrong)
2010-08-13 13:18 <alcy> kristianpaul, samgee: the power led blinks once, that's all I notice. it happens when I am plugging in the usb cable.
2010-08-13 13:18 <kristianpaul> yeah normal
2010-08-13 13:19 <alcy> kristianpaul: but lsusb shows no activity
2010-08-13 13:20 <alcy> holy cow it showed :D
2010-08-13 13:21 <samgee> Error - can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:-110
2010-08-13 13:21 <kristianpaul> :D
2010-08-13 13:21 <samgee> :/
2010-08-13 13:21 <samgee> alcy, awesome
2010-08-13 13:21 <kristianpaul> samgee: what usb cable are you using ?
2010-08-13 13:21 <samgee> the one that came with the nanonote
2010-08-13 13:21 <kristianpaul> okay
2010-08-13 13:22 <kristianpaul> is still flashing or whaterver is doinf aftter that message?
2010-08-13 13:22 <samgee> script says ABORTED
2010-08-13 13:22 <kristianpaul> if not write to thet list i dont know about that message
2010-08-13 13:22 <kristianpaul> ahh
2010-08-13 13:22 <kristianpaul> ther is a log
2010-08-13 13:23 <samgee> so it seems
2010-08-13 13:24 <samgee> dpaste.com/228604
2010-08-13 13:25 <samgee> doesn't seem very informative
2010-08-13 13:25 <kristianpaul> las version of xburst-tools?
2010-08-13 13:25 <kristianpaul> last*
2010-08-13 13:26 <samgee> 0.0+201004-0.1
2010-08-13 13:27 <kristianpaul> same here
2010-08-13 13:28 <kristianpaul> try again if not bug to the list and fill a bug i think
2010-08-13 13:29 <kristianpaul> if not works
2010-08-13 13:30 <samgee> trying another usb port again
2010-08-13 13:33 <samgee> doesn't work, I'll post to the list
2010-08-13 13:34 <alcy> samgee, have you tried the other method(s) rather than the script ?
2010-08-13 13:35 <samgee> no
2010-08-13 13:35 <alcy> Earlier when I was trying different kernel images with openwrt, I used only the second method using usbboot, successful every time
2010-08-13 13:36 <alcy> so maybe you could try it too, samgee
2010-08-13 13:36 <samgee> ok, thanks
2010-08-13 13:38 <kristianpaul> samgee: but you got uboot at least?
2010-08-13 13:38 <kristianpaul> i gues
2010-08-13 13:38 <kristianpaul> thats is flashed before kernel
2010-08-13 13:39 <samgee> kristianpaul, reflash.sh says "flashing bootloader...", then "flashing kernel..." and b0rks out
2010-08-13 13:40 <kristianpaul> hmm no
2010-08-13 13:40 <kristianpaul> the error was in uboot flash
2010-08-13 13:40 <kristianpaul> step
2010-08-13 13:41 <samgee> I see "flashing kernel..." in the terminal when it's running, when it fails it overwrites that with "fatal error occurred"
2010-08-13 13:42 <samgee> I guess that's a bug in the reflash script
2010-08-13 13:42 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-08-13 13:43 <kristianpaul> try erase what files in .qi/nanonote/ben/latest
2010-08-13 13:43 <kristianpaul> and try again
2010-08-13 13:43 <kristianpaul> just to be sure is not a xburst tools bug :/
2010-08-13 13:43 <samgee> I'm trying "alternative to using the reflash_ben.sh script" now
2010-08-13 13:45 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-08-13 13:45 <samgee> wtf? I type "nprog 2048 openblabla.ubi 0 0 -n" and it says "not enough argument."
2010-08-13 13:45 <kristianpaul> btw is that the last script?
2010-08-13 13:46 <kristianpaul> just exit
2010-08-13 13:46 <kristianpaul> and try again
2010-08-13 13:46 <kristianpaul> that happens to me i can  cofirm
2010-08-13 13:46 <samgee> yes, script freshly downloaded from wiki
2010-08-13 13:46 <kristianpaul> using custom openwrt image 
2010-08-13 13:47 <samgee> ah, it's writing nand now
2010-08-13 13:47 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-13 13:47 <kristianpaul> yeah that happens i dont know why (and forgot repor bug)
2010-08-13 13:49 <samgee> so I had regular power on, usb boot, reflash script and manual method failing on me. Good thing I love this little gadget and the underlying philosophy. :)
2010-08-13 13:50 <kristianpaul> ahh same error?
2010-08-13 13:50 <samgee> no, it's still writing
2010-08-13 13:50 <samgee> it's just that every step failed at the first try :)
2010-08-13 13:50 <kristianpaul> :p
2010-08-13 13:50 <kristianpaul> alcy: how are you doing?
2010-08-13 13:51 <kristianpaul> going*
2010-08-13 13:51 <alcy> kristianpaul: debian's up and running, thanks a bunch :D
2010-08-13 13:51 <kristianpaul> alcy: :)
2010-08-13 13:56 <bartbes> lol, launchpad is busy today
2010-08-13 13:56 <kristianpaul> ah?
2010-08-13 13:56 <bartbes> I submitted a package for my ppa 6 hours ago
2010-08-13 13:56 <bartbes> and it's still waiting to build
2010-08-13 13:56 <bartbes> (i386 built after 4 hours, I think, amd64 is still pending)
2010-08-13 13:59 <samgee> watches nanonote boot and sheds a tear of joy   :')
2010-08-13 14:00 <samgee> kristianpaul, thanks again for your help
2010-08-13 14:01 <kristianpaul> i like help :)
2010-08-13 14:06 <bartbes> muahahahahaha >:)
2010-08-13 14:07 <bartbes> that deservers an explanation, doesn't it?
2010-08-13 14:09 <bartbes> well apparently it doesn't
2010-08-13 14:22 <tuxbrain2> samgee: congrats :)
2010-08-13 14:23 <samgee> tuxbrain2, oh, you're here. I was just about to reply to you. :)
2010-08-13 14:24 <samgee> tuxbrain2, thanks for you help too, btw.
2010-08-13 14:30 <bartbes> is there a way to stop the framebuffer?
2010-08-13 14:30 <bartbes> see, a fb app just crashed
2010-08-13 14:30 <bartbes> I managed to kill it, but I still can't return to the terminal
2010-08-13 15:35 <kristianpaul> control + F3
2010-08-13 15:35 <kristianpaul> [A
2010-08-13 15:35 <kristianpaul> control + F4 ?
2010-08-13 15:37 <kristianpaul> but i think if you killed in a not good way if dont allow to swich
2010-08-13 15:43 <zear> bartbes, well, in the dingoo you have to reboot it
2010-08-13 15:43 <zear> if this happens
2010-08-13 15:43 <bartbes> yeah, that's what I did in the end
2010-08-13 15:43 <bartbes> but yeah..
2010-08-13 15:43 <bartbes> not exactly what I wanted
2010-08-13 15:44 <zear> we didn't find a better solution there yet
2010-08-13 16:03 <bartbes> what would happen if you'd start another fb app?
2010-08-13 16:08 <zear> sdl wouldn't be able to load because of no free fb
2010-08-13 16:08 <zear> as for non-sdl games - no idea
2010-08-13 16:09 <bartbes> that sucks
2010-08-13 16:12 <tuxbrain2> bartbes: thats why some one has invented X :P
2010-08-13 16:13 <bartbes> I guess that's true..
2010-08-13 16:21 <bartbes> what do you guys know about timer accuracy?
2010-08-13 16:22 <bartbes> specifically about SDL_GetTicks
2010-08-13 16:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: spi memory added http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/ef75347
2010-08-13 16:49 <bartbes> anyone?
2010-08-13 16:51 <bartbes> come on...
2010-08-13 16:51 <bartbes> ugh
2010-08-13 16:51 <xiangfu> bartbes: Hi
2010-08-13 17:24 <bartbes> hi xiangfu :P
2010-08-13 17:26 <bartbes> so do *you* know anything about SDL_GetTicks?
2010-08-13 17:26 <xiangfu> bartbes: sorry, no
2010-08-13 17:26 <bartbes> :(
2010-08-13 17:26 <bartbes> so, do you know anyone who does know about SDL?
2010-08-13 17:28 <xiangfu> the author of "imgv" project.
2010-08-13 17:28 <xiangfu> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/imgv/
2010-08-13 17:28 <tuxbrain2> I think rafa knows about SDL but don't know if he knows about you don't know
2010-08-13 17:49 <unclouded> bartbes: what do you want to know about SDL_GetTicks?  is it something simple?
2010-08-13 17:50 <bartbes> does it have its normal accuracy on the nn?
2010-08-13 17:51 <bartbes> because an algo I use keeps saying no time has passed
2010-08-13 17:51 <bartbes> so either that isn't as high
2010-08-13 17:51 <bartbes> or there's some rounding error
2010-08-13 17:54 <unclouded> SDL_GetTicks returns the number of millisecond since the SDL app started: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_GetTicks so if you invoke it more than once each millisecond it will return the same value as it did last time but when a new millisecond begins it will return a new value
2010-08-13 17:56 <bartbes> yes, that makes sense
2010-08-13 17:56 <bartbes> but even after 10 secs the total diff time is still 0
2010-08-13 17:56 <bartbes> I'll just go and add some debug prints
2010-08-13 17:56 <unclouded> what's the algo for that you're using?
2010-08-13 17:56 <bartbes> thanks for the help anyway
2010-08-13 17:56 <unclouded> is it frame rate limiting?
2010-08-13 17:57 <bartbes> no
2010-08-13 17:57 <bartbes> http://bitbucket.org/rude/love/src/tip/src/modules/timer/sdl/Timer.cpp
2010-08-13 17:57 <bartbes> Timer::step (line 58)
2010-08-13 17:58 <bartbes> and it should have at least a 1 ms diff, first of all because even full-powered computers have
2010-08-13 17:58 <bartbes> but also because there's a 1 ms delay (and SDL_Delay isn't even that accurate, so in practice it will be longer)
2010-08-13 17:59 <bartbes> but I guess in theory it could be a rounding error somewhere
2010-08-13 18:00 <bartbes> (probably when entering lua)
2010-08-13 18:00 <bartbes> boots up dev computer
2010-08-13 18:06 <unclouded> I can't see anything obviously wrong with that.  dt will be 0.0f sometimes if step() is invoked more than 1000 times a second but I would hope that "fps" would be updated regularly
2010-08-13 18:06 <bartbes> oh, it's really dt I'm looking for though
2010-08-13 18:06 <bartbes> but yeah, sometimes at most
2010-08-13 18:06 <bartbes> I get a consistent 0
2010-08-13 18:06 <bartbes> which leads me to believe it's rounding somewhere
2010-08-13 18:09 <unclouded> an IEEE 32-bit float can store much smaller numbers than 0.001 though
2010-08-13 18:34 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: VCC fixed http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/333097e
2010-08-13 18:59 <bartbes> unclouded: I checked, and even getTime() returns 0
2010-08-13 19:00 <unclouded> bartbes: is this on your workstation or your NN or both?
2010-08-13 19:00 <bartbes> only on the nn
2010-08-13 19:01 <unclouded> since time_init is never assigned then either SDL_GetTick() is returning 0 or that division results in 0.0f
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> well, it is assigned 0
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> but I see what you mean
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> too bad I can't simply add a cout there
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> oh wait
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> nvm
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> I know why that part failed
2010-08-13 19:03 <bartbes> adds a debug print
2010-08-13 19:06 <bartbes> right
2010-08-13 19:06 <bartbes> SDL_GetTicks works
2010-08-13 19:06 <unclouded> SDL_GetTicks() is definitely working on the NN for me
2010-08-13 19:06 <bartbes> now let's test the division
2010-08-13 19:08 <unclouded> I have an FPS limiter with similar semantics to the one in pygame that limits the FPS to ( say) 30fps and sleeps when the main loop is running faster than 30 Hz
2010-08-13 19:09 <bartbes> division is working fine
2010-08-13 19:09 <bartbes> then lnum must be screwing me over
2010-08-13 19:14 <bartbes> adds a debug print right after insertion into lua
2010-08-13 19:16 <bartbes> 6.36599e-314
2010-08-13 19:16 <bartbes> that.. is weird
2010-08-13 19:21 <bartbes> 6.36599e-3140.04
2010-08-13 19:21 <bartbes> first number being the one in lua, second being the number before insertion
2010-08-13 19:53 <Textmode> bartbes: lnum isn't working right?
2010-08-13 20:13 <Textmode> huggles wolfspraul 
2010-08-13 21:27 <kristianpaul> http://mobac.dnsalias.org/ :D
2010-08-13 21:31 <tuxbrain2> kristianpaul: first we have to make java running , isn't it?
2010-08-13 21:31 <kristianpaul> well...
2010-08-13 21:32 <kristianpaul> i'm hoping how if this supported sofware is compatible with tangogps format
2010-08-13 21:32 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Move make_base from cw.py to new module shape.py, to allow sharing http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-counterweight/7da2d7c
2010-08-13 21:32 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Draw counterweight shape also on cover. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-counterweight/64ae378
2010-08-13 21:32 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Generate single sketch for cover sheet instead of one for each part. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-counterweight/6bf49a1
2010-08-13 21:32 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Print 16 covers on a page. http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-counterweight/c853a09
2010-08-13 21:32 <tuxbrain2> By default Mobile Atlas Creator uses up to 512 of RAM....
2010-08-13 21:32 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-08-13 21:33 <kristianpaul> i dont have all that ram
2010-08-13 21:33 <kristianpaul> avalible
2010-08-13 21:33 <kristianpaul> well lets forget it ;)
2010-08-13 21:34 <wpwrak> tuxbrain2: step 1: make friends at the math department of the local university. step 2: present them with the problem. step 3: get them to assign a bunch of students. step 4: see if they found a space-efficient algorithm. step 5: if not, back to step 3. step 6: celebrate.
2010-08-13 21:37 <kristianpaul> heh
2010-08-13 21:40 <wolfspraul> wejp: we are making progress on the IRC privacy issue
2010-08-13 21:41 <wolfspraul> first I included /irclogs in the robots.txt Disallow section, but then I saw in the irclogs that quite a few people thought that's a stupid idea
2010-08-13 21:41 <wolfspraul> so maybe we remove that again, don't know
2010-08-13 21:41 <wolfspraul> then I changed the topic of this channel to clearly state that it is being logged and where it's logged
2010-08-13 21:42 <wolfspraul> and I also have an idea for the last part, that some people prefer to not have their messages logged
2010-08-13 21:42 <wolfspraul> oh, another thing - the qi-bot is now the official owner of this channel and flagged as an operator, so it's clear we have a big brother watching over us :-)
2010-08-13 21:43 <wolfspraul> at least a well documented big brother, see http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup#eggdrop
2010-08-13 21:43 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-08-13 21:43 <wolfspraul> so my idea is that since it is qi-bot anyway who is doing the logging, and qi-bot is supposed to help us (!), qi-bot should have a list of nicks that are excluded from logging
2010-08-13 21:43 <wolfspraul> eggdrop is fairly extensible with tcl scripts, and there are many scripts available. maybe something like this even exists already, I need to look into it.
2010-08-13 21:44 <wolfspraul> so then qi-bot would maintain this nick list, and you could send commands to the bot to see the list (to check that you are in), or to add and remove nicks.
2010-08-13 21:44 <wolfspraul> the bot would then not log any messages from any nick in that list
2010-08-13 21:44 <wolfspraul> so basically it's an 'opt-out' model
2010-08-13 21:45 <wolfspraul> we don't have this yet, but it's a proposal. if people like it I need to look into it.
2010-08-13 21:46 <wolfspraul> just fyi, things are moving...
2010-08-13 22:32 <roh> hey wolfspraul
2010-08-13 22:33 <wolfspraul> roh: hey
2010-08-13 22:40 <roh> how are things?
2010-08-13 22:47 <wolfspraul> good, busy, happy
2010-08-13 22:48 <roh> nice to hear
2010-08-13 22:48 <wolfspraul> yeah, there is lots of good hacking going on everywhere...
2010-08-13 22:49 <wolfspraul> you probably know. werner is doing awesome stuff around case scans, and also with his new usrp toy wrt 802.15.4
2010-08-13 22:49 <roh> heh
2010-08-13 22:49 <wolfspraul> I am working on some gps stuff using a sige 4162 front-end rf ic
2010-08-13 22:49 <roh> i still cannot find anybody saying good stuff about 802.15
2010-08-13 22:49 <roh> much too complex.
2010-08-13 22:49 <wolfspraul> milkymist is moving forward, the xue camera as well
2010-08-13 22:49 <roh> thats nice
2010-08-13 22:50 <wolfspraul> sie (former sakc) small run
2010-08-13 22:50 <wolfspraul> yes, milkymist one is now fully verified!
2010-08-13 22:50 <wolfspraul> since yesterday
2010-08-13 22:50 <wolfspraul> I am meeting with the guys working on the jtag/serial cable and (other guys) working on the case design in a few hours
2010-08-13 22:50 <roh> cool
2010-08-13 22:50 <wolfspraul> yeah
2010-08-13 22:51 <wolfspraul> we are warming up for another small run to have 20 of them for 27c3 :-)
2010-08-13 22:51 <wolfspraul> ideally including reflashing cable, end even including case if we can make it. we work on it...
2010-08-13 22:51 <wolfspraul> ben nanonote software also doing very well I think. really some great contributions now, really good stuff.
2010-08-13 22:52 <wolfspraul> then lars big success in getting a large part of the Ben NanoNote kernel included in 2.6.36
2010-08-13 22:53 <wolfspraul> and of course - the stealth weapon - you have some hoperf modules and will surely emerge soon with the greatest hack ever! :-)
2010-08-13 22:53 <wolfspraul> no?
2010-08-13 22:53 <wolfspraul> I think it's all cool, bits and pieces... still a way to the free smartphone though
2010-08-13 22:53 <roh> wolfspraul no time atm :(
2010-08-13 22:53 <wolfspraul> he :-) that's ok - see the new topic of this channel "time is on our side"
2010-08-13 22:53 <wolfspraul> if not today, then tomorrow
2010-08-13 22:53 <roh> or the other way around: too less paid time, so not much free time to spend
2010-08-13 22:54 <wolfspraul> adopted some lessons from Werner
2010-08-13 22:54 <wolfspraul> ah I have zero paid time, but I hide in China
2010-08-13 22:54 <roh> hrhr
2010-08-13 22:54 <wolfspraul> yep, I'm not the only one
2010-08-13 22:54 <roh> i would love to hack on such stuff for money, but currently its extremely hard even finding enough work with other stuff
2010-08-13 22:55 <wolfspraul> there is a whole colony of westerners that hide here so they can work a few years on whatever project with minimal cash needs
2010-08-13 22:55 <roh> uh. some way to get away from taxes also?
2010-08-13 22:55 <roh> or rather insurance costs
2010-08-13 22:56 <wolfspraul> not really. i still pay my german health insurance and by now it's pretty much the biggest expense I have each month.
2010-08-13 22:56 <roh> same here. living in berlin is not that expensive. my flat is cheaper
2010-08-13 22:56 <wolfspraul> yes true, Berlin is similar to China in that respect, ha :-)
2010-08-13 22:57 <wolfspraul> keep your spirits high, I am 100% certain we will get this off the ground...
2010-08-13 22:57 <wolfspraul> I chatted with Harald a bit recently, he is very happy in Taipei :-)
2010-08-13 22:57 <roh> and if the letters are all true i will see if the insurance isnt even more expensive than the rest of everything combined. will meet a lawyer about that on monday :(
2010-08-13 23:10 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: decoupling DDR cap. placement http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/8f8f332
2010-08-13 23:10 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: decoupling nand flash added http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/e07bc34
2010-08-13 23:10 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: decoupling nand flash added http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/2161dfc
2010-08-13 23:10 <qi-bot> [commit] Andres Calderon: improved placement http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/fae8765
2010-08-13 23:31 <wolfspraul> roh: (if you are still there...) what do you think about our projects? what do you like, what could we do better?