2010-08-04 00:25 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: bootdelay 3 secs when press S http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3482330 2010-08-04 03:54 xiangfu, i realize maybe i should ask you the questions here 2010-08-04 03:55 I just want to install the latest OpenWrt image 2010-08-04 03:55 xiangfu: so i went to "http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash" 2010-08-04 03:56 xiangfu: and try to follow the steps one by one and see where this leads me to 2010-08-04 03:57 zhangyi: hi 2010-08-04 03:58 xiangfu: hi 2010-08-04 03:59 xiangfu: for OpenWrt distribution, should i just install tarball instead? 2010-08-04 04:00 xiangfu: xburst-tools tarball 2010-08-04 04:53 wolfspraul: any ideas for my HTML in git problem ? 2010-08-04 04:54 wolfspraul: that's the last missing bit to complete the migration of the scans 2010-08-04 05:28 kristianpaul: yes, but these are just test. but yes, with a specific way to convert the files I get fluency (after several seconds) but no sync 2010-08-04 06:04 wpwrak: I saw it 2010-08-04 06:12 wolfspraul: somewhat tricky :) i tried to find out where the pretty-printing happens in the scm-to-git gateway, but could only find the decision whether to highlight or not 2010-08-04 06:17 wpwrak: hmm, since you already look in the indefero sources you are ahead 2010-08-04 06:17 we can just patch them 2010-08-04 06:17 I can also try to track it down 2010-08-04 06:18 there may be security implications, not sure. I'm always extremely careful with this html stuff, it's so easy to open some door without realizing.. 2010-08-04 06:18 there seems to be a /file/ url to 'download' just the html, did you see that (at the bottom) 2010-08-04 06:19 we'll find a way. we could also ask on the indefero side, or file a bug/feature request to see what they say 2010-08-04 06:22 (file URL) oh ! no, i had not spotted this one. let's see ... 2010-08-04 06:24 hmm. very very close. konqueror asks what to do, then i tell it to just display it, and henceforth it does. firefox is less certain. it identifies it as html, but then offers me download or to run konqueror (!) to display it 2010-08-04 06:27 (security implications) yeah, that's always quite hairy. 2010-08-04 06:29 i see basically three possible approaches: 1) put the file elsewhere, on some regular web space. quick and easy. drawbacks: view spans multiple sites, and relative paths don't work. so one can't just look at it locally, then commit. (except with a separate local build mode) 2010-08-04 06:31 I can look into this, an integrated solution would be best. 2010-08-04 06:31 2) hack indefero to present the file as true html (or get it hacked). this should of course be optional - most people probably prefer to see html sources as text, without interpretation. 2010-08-04 06:31 the best would be if the indefero people could think it through :-) 2010-08-04 06:32 3) do some url rewriting that maps everything into the same hierarchy, even if they're at different places on the server. a bit messy. basically moves the complexity of the "local build mode" into the web server 2010-08-04 06:32 (indefero) agreed :-) 2010-08-04 06:34 one could also consider this a completely different mode to view things. i.e., make it become a "regular" web server but using an scm instead of a regular file system 2010-08-04 06:35 oh, if there was something like a gitfs, that would work too, in combination with a regular web server 2010-08-04 06:36 googling for gitfs ... hmm, a semi-abandoned one from 2006 ... 2010-08-04 06:36 ... one on ithub, 2009, 2010-08-04 06:38 ... one on google code, for inferno, whatever os that may be, ... one for Pharao, whatever *that* may be, ... ah, and the semi-abandoned one even made it to lwn 2010-08-04 06:44 hah, once there was someone who said he wanted to port inferno to the nanonote :-) 2010-08-04 06:44 I wrote up an issue in indefero: http://projects.ceondo.com/p/indefero/issues/514/ 2010-08-04 06:45 they ask to use the yahoo group first but I never figured how these groups work 2010-08-04 06:45 so let's see 2010-08-04 06:45 maybe I will also bring it up on the group 2010-08-04 06:47 thanks ! btw, yahoo groups suck endlessly. even if you get them to work, you're asked for re-authentication for way too many things. 2010-08-04 07:01 wpwrak: HA! firefox is smarter :) he wants konqueror to do the job while he is idle :) 2010-08-04 07:02 :P 2010-08-04 07:03 hmm .. i have my mold for the counterweight. now, how do i cast ? make holes on the side and gravity cast ? or just fill the (flat) mold with a bit of molten solder and then close it with a flat surface, forcing the excess metal out ? tricky, tricky ... 2010-08-04 07:03 i like this page: http://hubpages.com/hub/Gravity-casting 2010-08-04 07:03 "Metal Casting is more than just an excuse to play with molten metal [...]" 2010-08-04 07:03 no 2010-08-04 07:03 no it isn't 2010-08-04 07:04 touche ! ;-) 2010-08-04 07:04 all hardware work is an excuse to play with cool stuff 2010-08-04 07:04 rafa: yeah, let konqueror take the blame if anything goes wrong. that part was probably implemented by the mozilla.org legal department :) 2010-08-04 07:05 bartbes: that's indeed pretty much how i see it :) 2010-08-04 07:06 and all software work is procrastinating 2010-08-04 07:06 (something else, of course) 2010-08-04 07:06 like, life 2010-08-04 07:07 who need life when you've got hardware and software? 2010-08-04 07:07 *needs 2010-08-04 07:08 bartbes: indeed. spans all facets of that supposedly "real" life already :) 2010-08-04 07:09 Not everyone is going to be casting heavy pieces like engine parts or cast their own motorcycles. 2010-08-04 07:09 oh 2010-08-04 07:09 boring 2010-08-04 07:09 i think i'll try the pour and tap approach. quicker than setting up things for gravity casting 2010-08-04 07:09 personally I would love stuff like "cast your own electron microscope parts" 2010-08-04 07:09 lekernel: or space-faring killer robots :) 2010-08-04 07:10 skynet 2010-08-04 07:10 lekernel: yeah, what the world needs is a cheap DIY raster tunnel microscope :) 2010-08-04 07:11 or particle accelerator, FIB, LPCVD machine, or whatever similar cool stuff 2010-08-04 07:11 that you can't buy easily 2010-08-04 07:11 anyway, i'll cook some metal first. brb 2010-08-04 07:11 lekernel: yup, a pocket tevatron would be cool, too. 2010-08-04 07:12 he 2010-08-04 07:12 no, seriously 2010-08-04 07:12 you can't really do science experiments at home nowadays 2010-08-04 07:12 it's a shame 2010-08-04 07:13 though the items I mentioned would rather belong in a hacklab 2010-08-04 07:14 wpwrak, about the tunnel microscope: http://sxm4.uni-muenster.de/stm-en/ 2010-08-04 07:43 lekernel: it depends what you call like science 2010-08-04 07:44 is true there all stuff lacks freatures like you said so its a hacklab dint mean i cant improve 2010-08-04 07:45 argh, the soft of the microscope is written VB for win arrrg(again) 2010-08-04 07:46 i meant we're in the earlies of do science at home 2010-08-04 07:46 bbl 2010-08-04 08:03 pour and tap doesn't seem to impress the metal much. pretty crappy results. pour and splash looks better, though. you also get a nice wave of molten led gushing out the mold and frozen in flight :) 2010-08-04 08:58 you can do science experiemnts anywhere, you just can't do cutting edge science experiments 2010-08-04 08:58 the average man has better equipment than any of the early scientists 2010-08-04 08:58 and they without a doubt, did science 2010-08-04 09:03 but early scientists had better equipment than any of the average man of that time 2010-08-04 09:04 and so it remains now 2010-08-04 09:04 +noone can work alone now.. the time of bright individuals has gone 2010-08-04 09:04 for doing cutting edge experiments yes 2010-08-04 09:05 science experiments include ones which has been done 2010-08-04 09:05 not just limited to those requiring years of study to even understand the point of 2010-08-04 09:05 and some of them don't even require anything more than a good telescope and patience 2010-08-04 09:07 as for the time of the bright indivudal, that claim is dubious to me 2010-08-04 09:07 it assuming that wisdom of the masses can over come indivudal genius 2010-08-04 09:07 or make the same leaps of intutition 2010-08-04 09:07 who needs to look for a before unknown comet, when you can buy one? :) 2010-08-04 09:07 why buy one when you can look for one :) 2010-08-04 09:08 yeah, but your life might be just not enough to find it :) 2010-08-04 09:08 then surely that makes it more worthy than a piece of rock you buy :) 2010-08-04 09:09 anyways, i dislike the idea the average mn can not do science 2010-08-04 09:09 science is no more than the process of forming a hypothesis based on observation, then testing the hypothesis 2010-08-04 09:14 indeed 2010-08-04 09:15 the problem is that sometimes you need an handrom collider to test the hypothesis 2010-08-04 09:40 and sometimes, you can just do thought experiments and change physics for ever :) 2010-08-04 09:41 if you ever do something like this (as a private individual), please let me know ;) 2010-08-04 09:43 i will do better, and let the world know :) 2010-08-04 09:43 i am under no illusions i am that clever 2010-08-04 09:43 einstein did it while working as a patent clerk 2010-08-04 09:44 and a private individual, so it can be done and has been done 2010-08-04 09:44 i would wager most ppl are not in a position to do research science not because of their lack of equipment 2010-08-04 09:45 but their lack of education 2010-08-04 09:45 things has changed since that, but now we are starting to go circles in our discussion and i have to go home :) 2010-08-04 09:45 since that , i,e, since einstein 2010-08-04 09:45 what has changed? 2010-08-04 09:45 ok :) 2010-08-04 09:45 good evening :) 2010-08-04 09:46 assuming it is evning where you are 2010-08-04 09:46 let's discuss later if you wish :) 2010-08-04 09:46 evening it is 2010-08-04 09:46 i will be asleep later 2010-08-04 09:46 it is currently 14 minutes to midnight 2010-08-04 09:46 good night then 2010-08-04 09:46 have a good evening :) 2010-08-04 09:54 midnight? 2010-08-04 09:54 are in you Australia? 2010-08-04 09:54 I'm also calling it a day in China, but it's not midnight yet :-) 2010-08-04 09:57 midnight in 3s 2010-08-04 09:57 s/.$/m/ 2010-08-04 09:57 yeah 2010-08-04 09:58 sydney :) 2010-08-04 09:59 right, attempt to sleep before 2am #4 2010-08-04 09:59 g'night 2010-08-04 10:05 n8 2010-08-04 10:30 the average man has better equipment than any of the early scientists 2010-08-04 10:30 wrong 2010-08-04 10:30 I don't think anyone here has ever liquefied air 2010-08-04 10:30 still it has been done by early scientists in the late 19th century 2010-08-04 10:31 tuxbrain_away: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/ben/cw/run1/cw168-installed.jpg 2010-08-04 10:32 also, DIY triodes and other vacuum tubes is seldom heard of nowadays 2010-08-04 10:33 and it's not entirely because there are transistors... vacuum tubes have a few advantages over them typically for high power RF 2010-08-04 10:35 anyone here can more easily liqufiy air than any early scientist 2010-08-04 10:35 oh, really? 2010-08-04 10:35 tuxbrain_away: design weight 17.6725 g, measured weight 16.8 g. design thickness where thickest 2.4 mm, measured thickness about 2.6 mm. good enough. 2010-08-04 10:35 how would you do that then? 2010-08-04 10:36 i'd be happy to hear, making liquid nitrogen is cool (literally ;) ) 2010-08-04 10:36 have you ever operated a fridge? 2010-08-04 10:37 sure, but you're not going to liquefy air with a fridge compressor 2010-08-04 10:37 so how did the early scientists do it? 2010-08-04 10:37 lekernel: it all depends on your tolerances. e.g., it's easy to liquify a large percentage of really humid air :) 2010-08-04 10:37 with much powerful compressors 2010-08-04 10:37 right, so first we need to get more powerful compressors 2010-08-04 10:37 fridge compressors are mass produced cheap industrial crap designed to fulfiil one function during a limited period of time 2010-08-04 10:38 i wager the early scientsits couldn't hop down to the lcol hardware store and BUY one 2010-08-04 10:38 Carl von Linde liquidfied air in 1895 2010-08-04 10:39 are you seriously suggesting the average modern man has INFERIOR equipment to what he had access to 2010-08-04 10:40 I don't think you can buy a compressor to liquefy air today either 2010-08-04 10:40 yes you can, fridges do it 2010-08-04 10:40 they'll overwhelm you with paperwork "you're not a company" "you're not authorized to do that" etc. 2010-08-04 10:41 from what I've read, access to scientific hardware was much easier back then 2010-08-04 10:41 i don't think it was so much access, more the fct they had to build it 2010-08-04 10:41 if you build it yourself, then access is retty good 2010-08-04 10:41 so, maybe big compressors for large cold rooms (ie industrial ones) might liquefy air 2010-08-04 10:42 but not your average household fridge's compressor 2010-08-04 10:42 your average household compressor liquifies fases 2010-08-04 10:42 *gases 2010-08-04 10:42 it liquefies a very special gas which is super easy to liquefy 2010-08-04 10:42 so? 2010-08-04 10:42 I guess you can even do it with a bike pump 2010-08-04 10:43 air is a different thing 2010-08-04 10:43 specify a very specific gas we need to liquidfy then 2010-08-04 10:43 a lot more pressure is needed 2010-08-04 10:43 or a mixture thereof 2010-08-04 10:44 all of this ignores the fact the average man can buy or ask for liquidfied air to do experiments with 2010-08-04 10:44 unlike the early scientists who had to make their own 2010-08-04 10:44 just think for a moment the kind of lenses one can order 2010-08-04 10:44 tried that, got rejected because they only ship to companies 2010-08-04 10:44 of course this can be worked around 2010-08-04 10:44 they are grounded to such preceision that newton would give his left testicls for 2010-08-04 10:45 your problem then isn't that the average man doesn't have better access to equipment 2010-08-04 10:45 but the average man has to deal with more paper work :P 2010-08-04 10:45 sure, but that's still a problem that disconnects the average man from science 2010-08-04 10:45 no, it disconnects the average man from buying large compressors 2010-08-04 10:46 what disconnects the average mn from science isn't equopment 2010-08-04 10:46 by far the biggest barrier to entry to science 2010-08-04 10:46 is lack of education 2010-08-04 10:46 of course, if you count what companies and industry have access too, we sure have better equipment than in 1900 2010-08-04 10:46 specifically mathematics 2010-08-04 10:46 but for what the average man can handle, I'm not so sure 2010-08-04 10:46 yeah, that's another one 2010-08-04 10:46 you are only considering a very limited set of experiments 2010-08-04 10:47 if your interest is in astronomy 2010-08-04 10:47 then what you can buy for a few hundred dollars 2010-08-04 10:47 is astronomically better 2010-08-04 10:47 pardon the pun 2010-08-04 10:47 by and large, modern science has moved forward by leaps and bounds 2010-08-04 10:47 while science education hasn't 2010-08-04 10:48 that the modern man feels disconnected from science is a sad reflection of the state of science education 2010-08-04 10:48 yeah, I agree with you that education is a problem too 2010-08-04 10:48 but the "leave that to the pros" culture is an obstacle too 2010-08-04 10:48 you can always join the pros 2010-08-04 10:49 of course 2010-08-04 10:49 and in many ways, you have to. the same way we leave brain surgery to brain surgeons 2010-08-04 10:49 but it requires a mental effort 2010-08-04 10:49 and a few social barriers to overcome 2010-08-04 10:49 plus once you've joined the pros, in many cases you usually have to do what your boss tells you to do 2010-08-04 10:50 but not all the time 2010-08-04 10:50 in my limited experience, your supervisor will have some direction you hsould follow 2010-08-04 10:50 like in any other profession 2010-08-04 10:51 you start off learning under your betters 2010-08-04 10:51 if only in experience 2010-08-04 10:52 hrm, perhaps you meant the average person can't make a contribution to science 2010-08-04 10:52 in the sense contribute new and useful data 2010-08-04 10:53 that too 2010-08-04 10:53 and the difficulty of learning by yourself because a lot of devices are difficult to acquire 2010-08-04 10:53 which i suppose has always been true for particle physics, but amartuer astronomers are doing well 2010-08-04 10:53 that is why you do to university 2010-08-04 10:54 learn with others, be taught by others, and work with equipment you won't otherwise have access to 2010-08-04 10:54 and imo there's a large cultural obstacle that's there without a really valid reason 2010-08-04 10:54 why should one be forbidden from ordering liquid nitrogen? 2010-08-04 10:54 or sulfuric acid? 2010-08-04 10:54 or TNT? 2010-08-04 10:55 they are all very dangerous materials 2010-08-04 10:55 or plutonium? Because it's potentially dangerous 2010-08-04 10:55 well then you can also forbid cars 2010-08-04 10:55 they can be used to run over people too 2010-08-04 10:55 but cars a necessary 2010-08-04 10:55 not on such a scale 2010-08-04 10:55 we balance risk against the benifits 2010-08-04 10:55 if we take away knives say 2010-08-04 10:55 life would become very inconvenient 2010-08-04 10:55 so we trade off by allowing small knives to be frely available 2010-08-04 10:56 but the really big ones regulated (in australia) 2010-08-04 10:56 the average person generally speaing doesn't have a need for liquid nitrogen OR sulfuric acid 2010-08-04 10:56 you can always form your own 1 man company 2010-08-04 10:56 and order it via proxy 2010-08-04 10:56 call it lekernel chemicals 2010-08-04 10:56 :D 2010-08-04 10:56 thanks, I did that enough times already :) 2010-08-04 10:56 what some people do with everyday appliance things is enough to know allowing avarage person having nitrogen is dangerous 2010-08-04 10:57 speaking of liquid nitrogen 2010-08-04 10:57 attended a talk today by william d philip 2010-08-04 10:57 nobel winner 2010-08-04 10:57 he did wonderful liquid nitrogen demos 2010-08-04 10:57 he splashed about a week's supply onto the stage 2010-08-04 10:58 at one point, he filled a plastic bottle about half way with liquid nitrogen 2010-08-04 10:58 then capped it 2010-08-04 10:58 then left it under a plastic create 2010-08-04 10:58 *crate 2010-08-04 10:58 and kept going on with his talk 2010-08-04 10:58 about 5min later 2010-08-04 10:58 HUGE BANG 2010-08-04 10:58 the thing exploded 2010-08-04 10:58 pieces of plastic went everywhere 2010-08-04 10:58 the crate that was meant to contain the explosion 2010-08-04 10:58 also exploded 2010-08-04 10:59 I'm not even sure most average men would do such dangerous things should they easily buy ln2 2010-08-04 10:59 it was great fun :D 2010-08-04 10:59 the average man does such dangerou things with a bottle of coke and mentos 2010-08-04 10:59 just like most drivers don't run over people in the street 2010-08-04 10:59 that isn't really dangerous 2010-08-04 11:00 it is if you were holding it at the time 2010-08-04 11:01 i understand your frustration with regulation 2010-08-04 11:01 but in some ways, the ease of access to dangerous materials "back in the days" was because we didn't know they were dangerous 2010-08-04 11:01 people were taking RADIUM treatments 2010-08-04 11:01 going in a room filled with radon gas 2010-08-04 11:01 because they thought it was better for them 2010-08-04 11:01 ppl drank mercury 2010-08-04 11:01 oh, and others, like phosphorus matches... sure, that was a factor too 2010-08-04 11:02 to cure their illness 2010-08-04 11:02 but imo today there's too much safety theatre going on 2010-08-04 11:02 and this disconnects people from science 2010-08-04 11:03 lekernel: of course, in the old times, you may not even have been among the small elite that had a rich man's ear and get their experiments sponsored ... 2010-08-04 11:03 i doubt most ppl feel disconnected from science because they can't order dangerous chemicals 2010-08-04 11:04 most ppl i imagine, feel disconnected form science b/c they don't know what is going on 2010-08-04 11:04 lekernel: you'd just be a happy carpenter or so. completely untroubled by the difficulties of doing science :) 2010-08-04 11:05 freespace, it's a factor too I think 2010-08-04 11:05 i mean, ppl won't say they are disconnected from their $sportteam becuse they can't play on the field with them 2010-08-04 11:06 safety + industrial secrets, .. 2010-08-04 11:06 ... unless they do 2010-08-04 11:06 isn't a sports fan 2010-08-04 11:07 throwaway "no user serviceable parts inside" devices 2010-08-04 11:08 cars you need to send to the garage to change a light bulb because the manufacturer made it horribly difficult to access them (special screws etc.) 2010-08-04 11:08 etc. etc. 2010-08-04 11:08 there are a plethora of factors 2010-08-04 11:08 some of that is progress 2010-08-04 11:08 it isn't like we all have smd rework stations at home 2010-08-04 11:09 and for all intents and purposes, modern electronics in the form factor we expect, really have no user servicable parts inside 2010-08-04 11:09 that's where hacklabs should come into play imo 2010-08-04 11:09 it would be difficult to even user service the ben 2010-08-04 11:10 but you won't deny that a significant part of it is just sociocultural, right? 2010-08-04 11:10 most of it is driven by profit 2010-08-04 11:10 is that "sociiocultural"? 2010-08-04 11:10 that car manufacturer didn't _have_to_ put that wicked screw to open the light 2010-08-04 11:11 yeah, counts as sociocultural for me 2010-08-04 11:11 you are saying thigns like that curtail curiosity or something? 2010-08-04 11:12 yes, that's exactly my point 2010-08-04 11:12 but you have the internet 2010-08-04 11:12 you have libraries 2010-08-04 11:12 you have thigns like arduinos 2010-08-04 11:12 a curious person has far more resources a their disposal now than any other time in history 2010-08-04 11:12 arduino is so small and boring compared to what the industry does 2010-08-04 11:13 they are not restricted to breaking open the light in a badly made car 2010-08-04 11:13 see, i disagree 2010-08-04 11:13 freespace: (ben) you mean the mechanics ? that's largely a design problem. e.g., all the snap-in plastic is trouble, but a few screws would do just as well. 2010-08-04 11:13 plus it's just a proprietary chip with a nice wrapping 2010-08-04 11:14 who cares? 2010-08-04 11:14 if they had made the AVR themselves and explained how to do so, then it would have been interesting 2010-08-04 11:14 if you want to know how to build a cpu 2010-08-04 11:14 google and digikey and amazon has everything you need to know 2010-08-04 11:14 to build one from scratch using TTL level components 2010-08-04 11:14 or even to build one using transistors 2010-08-04 11:15 it would be a massive amount of effort 2010-08-04 11:15 but certainly the information isn't locked away 2010-08-04 11:15 again, this approach doesn't cover a bastion of the industry: semiconductor manufacturing 2010-08-04 11:15 if a curiouse person wanted to know how semiconducors are made 2010-08-04 11:15 they can read about it 2010-08-04 11:15 as for practicing it, one imagines you need a degree 2010-08-04 11:15 before someone lets you near such a machine 2010-08-04 11:16 you can always build one yourself 2010-08-04 11:16 i suppose 2010-08-04 11:16 the knowledge is there 2010-08-04 11:16 and if you live near a beach, the raw ingridents 2010-08-04 11:16 not exactly there... most of it is secret 2010-08-04 11:17 sure, bu the basics are the sme 2010-08-04 11:17 and their secrets just make their semiconductors different 2010-08-04 11:17 but they are still semiconductors 2010-08-04 11:17 look at all the effort the USA spent during the cold war to prevent the russian semiconductor industry from progressing 2010-08-04 11:17 even though they did have the basics 2010-08-04 11:17 what efforts exactly? 2010-08-04 11:18 various embargos basically 2010-08-04 11:18 i am aware of how much russians were copying us chip designs 2010-08-04 11:18 but russia isn't exactly a country lacking in natural resources 2010-08-04 11:19 and i imagine rather more factors than embargos of sand and such accounted for the state of development of the russian semi-conductor industry 2010-08-04 11:19 their economic model and goernment probably had mor of a say 2010-08-04 11:19 god i can't type when it is late 2010-08-04 11:20 if that development model was inherently screwed, why spend any effort on destroying it further? 2010-08-04 11:20 instead of letting it die by itself 2010-08-04 11:21 because both sides were pointing nukes at each other? 2010-08-04 11:21 and if your opponent had shittier electronics, that increases your chance of surviving a nuclear exchange 2010-08-04 11:21 the suituation was, i gather, fairly complicated :) 2010-08-04 11:22 it's been good talking to you lekernel :) 2010-08-04 11:22 but suddenly it is 1:22am 2010-08-04 11:22 and if i don't go now 2010-08-04 11:22 i will have failed for the 4th time 2010-08-04 11:22 to sleep before 2am 2010-08-04 11:22 ok, good night then 2010-08-04 11:22 g'night again! 2010-08-04 11:22 resume later if you wish :) 2010-08-04 12:48 wolfgang? 2010-08-04 12:54 kristoffer: i think he's already counting sheep 2010-08-04 12:57 typical :) 2010-08-04 13:44 kristoffer: always the same with those wolves :) 2010-08-04 13:49 So there is absolutely no way to get a mouse working with the NN? 2010-08-04 13:49 there are ways 2010-08-04 13:50 sience got it working on dingux, so i guess we can do it on the nanonote 2010-08-04 13:50 Ah. 2010-08-04 13:51 I've tried various mouse emulators that remap the arrow keys to mouse movments... no luck. 2010-08-04 13:56 wpwrak, the wolfgangs I know are either geniuses, weirdos or both 2010-08-04 15:49 wolfgang... wake up 2010-08-04 15:53 kristoffer: it's something like 4 am or 5 am in bejing :) 2010-08-04 15:56 wpwrak, my point exactly, he should already have woken up, eaten breakfeast and started to work..:P 2010-08-04 15:56 kristoffer: like any of his hard-working countrymen :) 2010-08-04 16:23 wpwrak, kristoffer_ you are cruel...:P 2010-08-04 16:27 tuxbrain: that is because they are from Switzerland and Sweden 2010-08-04 16:27 hahahaha 2010-08-04 16:27 btw any progress with theora 2010-08-04 16:27 ? 2010-08-04 16:28 I have just recived the songs and the image material to work with :) 2010-08-04 16:28 tuxbrain: I was able to have audio and video fluent, bad quality, no sync 2010-08-04 16:28 mmm have you activate the sync option when encoding? 2010-08-04 16:29 who needs sync anyway? :P 2010-08-04 16:30 tuxbrain: no idea, the problem looks when mplayer plays it. The sounds starts okey, but video no (no fluent), then after several seconds.. video goes well. 2010-08-04 16:30 hmm 2010-08-04 16:30 just to create a little bit of envy I have to listen music of one of my fabourit group before they release the album at work :P 2010-08-04 16:30 have you passed some options to help it play 2010-08-04 16:30 let me look them up 2010-08-04 16:31 tuxbrain: let me try with the sync option. Anyway, to have that thing fluent I had to use the -v 0 -a 0 the worst quality for both, video and sound 2010-08-04 16:31 oh those are for AVD's :P 2010-08-04 16:31 but I guess you need to tell it to skip frames 2010-08-04 16:32 mmmm and how they look? 2010-08-04 16:32 bartbes: I tried with mplayer autosync, framedrop, correct-pts, cache, etc.. 2010-08-04 16:32 :( 2010-08-04 16:32 tuxbrain: we need more people testing different options and doing a proper test for encoding and player 2010-08-04 16:33 ah well, as I said, who needs sync? 2010-08-04 16:33 with documentation about things working and bad options 2010-08-04 16:35 tuxbrain: I also tested the example_player that libtheora brings with its source code. It seems a good player to play, just that it is just an example, you do not have control of it. You can use it with cat file.ogv | example_player .. and CTRL+C to stop 2010-08-04 16:36 and it plays fine? 2010-08-04 16:37 no fine, but looks promising 2010-08-04 16:38 Because it asked for SDL library I could hack a bit that.. but no a lot of free time these days. 2010-08-04 16:42 (no time= because I am planning to travel to buy some CDRs in Barcelona :D) 2010-08-04 18:25 hey any one has any report about java in NanoNote? is even in available in any distro? 2010-08-04 18:28 there is a J2ME VM for the Dingoo, so it shouldn't be too hard to make it work on the NN as well 2010-08-04 18:28 or do you want J2SE? 2010-08-04 18:29 well is to answer a possible costumer about the status due he had asked. 2010-08-04 18:31 I guess Debian would contain several VMs, although it's worth checking if they are also built for mipsel 2010-08-04 18:32 Personally out of some shell utilities, and some simply games I don't think java fits really in our device... but well I will try to know what costumer intentions are 2010-08-04 18:33 if the Java program is reasonably efficient, the NN sound be plenty fast for Java 2010-08-04 18:34 we used to run it on set top boxes with similar or lower specs 2010-08-04 18:35 mmm interesting 2010-08-04 18:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Home_Platform 2010-08-04 18:52